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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25558 Posts
October 08 2014 08:36 GMT
#958
On October 08 2014 17:17 Palmar wrote:
HF and Obi are the remaining mafia.


We lynch Obi tomorrow imo
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25558 Posts
October 08 2014 16:56 GMT
#1024
I'd just like to point out that I don't have any thoughts on anything OWS did except for the fact that as we got closer to an OO lynch, he called for a last minute shenannigan onto Palmar (Despite having never mentioned Palmar previously in the filter). Nothing in his call for a last minute shenannigan was joking or joking-sounding.

On October 08 2014 10:27 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Who's down for a second CFD onto Palmar?

The first one was hilarious. The second will be doubly so.


Bear in mind, this would allow OO to live while Palmar dies, it would have saved OO. When he gets called out on it, he says this:

On October 08 2014 10:34 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Nha. Palmar looks okay atm and I think he's kinda town. I just think it'd be funny if he woke up lynched again.

In all seriousness, I don't particularly care for this OO lynch but I doubt I have any say in the matter. I don't really see any targets of mine that people will lynch any time soon.

I just really don't like plynches for this reason. Even if they somehow hit scum (they never do) I always get a little frustrated because I feel like nothing gets accomplished by doing so.


So he now claims to be joking, in the biggest backpedal in the history of backpedaling. Then he starts complaining about the lynch, saying he doesn't care for it. If I were a scumslip-using man, I'd say his last bit talking about how plynches that hit scum are bad is a scumslip, but I'm not, so it doesn't factor in for me. There are a couple things he says that sound like the kind of musing a scum player would have for another scum player being lynched (link). He never really takes a strong stance on OO either, despite OO being the main lynch target and leading the votes for literally all of D1.

The main thing, though, is the attempted "joking" shennaningan / chinese fire drill onto Palmar. Honestly, the magic of Shenannies, is that right when someone is about to get lynched, that's when votes matter, and that's when you see peopel's true nature.

If someone has a gun, shooting OWS is an amazing move. IF not, we lynch him tomorrow.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25558 Posts
October 08 2014 17:02 GMT
#1029
Bah, if I were mafia and rnged a scumbuddy, I could have done far less than I did and kept up the appearance of pushing my RNG target like a typical Blazinghand. I don't even need to defend myself from likes of HF anyways, since I'm unlynchable.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25558 Posts
October 08 2014 17:10 GMT
#1034
hf being mafia would have to be independent of him calling me scum. In fact, calling me scum is one of the towniest things you can do since it's so insane for scum to do. I mean, it's not any more now that I've said it, I'm just saying I don't see what scum motivation there would be for picking a fight with me
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25558 Posts
October 08 2014 17:11 GMT
#1035
On October 09 2014 02:09 batsnacks wrote:
That would be really funny though


It would be. I always wonder what will happen if i use RNG as scum and RNG a scumbuddy, or if I use it as town and get myself. I guess I better have plans for that, especially the last one. hmmmmm
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25558 Posts
October 08 2014 17:20 GMT
#1037
On October 09 2014 02:14 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2014 02:10 Blazinghand wrote:
hf being mafia would have to be independent of him calling me scum. In fact, calling me scum is one of the towniest things you can do since it's so insane for scum to do. I mean, it's not any more now that I've said it, I'm just saying I don't see what scum motivation there would be for picking a fight with me


Well I just called you scum, which makes me town. Ergo your analysis explodes into nothingness and I can go back to doing nothing.

See you.


This only applies if I'm not already attacking you, buddy. In any case, there's no way you can possibly avoid getting lynched tomorrow (outside of getting shot first) because my scumhunting skills are too good. EZ game EZ lyfe
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25558 Posts
October 08 2014 17:31 GMT
#1047
On October 09 2014 02:25 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2014 02:20 Blazinghand wrote:
On October 09 2014 02:14 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On October 09 2014 02:10 Blazinghand wrote:
hf being mafia would have to be independent of him calling me scum. In fact, calling me scum is one of the towniest things you can do since it's so insane for scum to do. I mean, it's not any more now that I've said it, I'm just saying I don't see what scum motivation there would be for picking a fight with me


Well I just called you scum, which makes me town. Ergo your analysis explodes into nothingness and I can go back to doing nothing.

See you.


This only applies if I'm not already attacking you, buddy. In any case, there's no way you can possibly avoid getting lynched tomorrow (outside of getting shot first) because my scumhunting skills are too good. EZ game EZ lyfe


Then I can just poke holes in your case and call it stupid as well, especially since I've addressed your case about a thousand times over before you even posted it.

So if you want to continue to be nitpicky n' shit, go ahead.


yeah, "nitpicky" about the fact you tried to derail the lynch at the last moment

you're a funny guy OWS
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25558 Posts
October 08 2014 17:38 GMT
#1053
On October 09 2014 02:34 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2014 02:31 Blazinghand wrote:
On October 09 2014 02:25 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On October 09 2014 02:20 Blazinghand wrote:
On October 09 2014 02:14 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On October 09 2014 02:10 Blazinghand wrote:
hf being mafia would have to be independent of him calling me scum. In fact, calling me scum is one of the towniest things you can do since it's so insane for scum to do. I mean, it's not any more now that I've said it, I'm just saying I don't see what scum motivation there would be for picking a fight with me


Well I just called you scum, which makes me town. Ergo your analysis explodes into nothingness and I can go back to doing nothing.

See you.


This only applies if I'm not already attacking you, buddy. In any case, there's no way you can possibly avoid getting lynched tomorrow (outside of getting shot first) because my scumhunting skills are too good. EZ game EZ lyfe


Then I can just poke holes in your case and call it stupid as well, especially since I've addressed your case about a thousand times over before you even posted it.

So if you want to continue to be nitpicky n' shit, go ahead.


yeah, "nitpicky" about the fact you tried to derail the lynch at the last moment

you're a funny guy OWS


Except I didn't actually do this and I explained myself about a gajillion times.

You are nitpicking.


You can equivocate all you want, but when push came to shove, when the going got tough, you tried to derail the lynch. It's fact. You're dying tomorrow. If you're somehow town (hint: you're not, so you won't do this) you'll spend the last 60 hours you have alive making reads and leaving us with something useful. Since you're scum, you're just going to whine and complain until we lynch you.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25558 Posts
October 08 2014 17:48 GMT
#1068
On October 09 2014 02:47 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Alternatively alternatively, BH's analysis was actually really bad and he's mostly just rehashing stuff other people have said.

Why do people have him as town?


Oh, you're making me blush, OWS! So cute~
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25558 Posts
October 08 2014 18:01 GMT
#1079
On October 09 2014 02:56 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2014 02:49 Damdred wrote:
BH seems interested, and is actually doing things and pushing his lynch today. Normally when hes scum in almost every scum game i've seen or read, he makes excuses complains and only posts during the time hes not "busy". here he is the opposite he has been in the thread, has argued not complained and not made excuses for his absence plus he did lynch scum oo day one and put rng on him even before he made his entrance into the thread.

You know BH doesn't choose who gets RNGed. That's kind of the whole point of RNG.

Aww why can't I get credit for RNGing a scummer! ;____;
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25558 Posts
October 08 2014 18:08 GMT
#1086
Everyone knows my opinion on OWS, so I'll direct my attention at other things and post closer to the end of the night. Let me know if you have any questions for me or things you'd like me to look at. I'll be in and out of thread for the rest of the day.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25558 Posts
October 08 2014 18:23 GMT
#1100
On October 09 2014 03:12 Damdred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2014 03:08 Holyflare wrote:
On October 09 2014 03:07 Damdred wrote:
On October 09 2014 02:56 Grackaroni wrote:
On October 09 2014 02:49 Damdred wrote:
BH seems interested, and is actually doing things and pushing his lynch today. Normally when hes scum in almost every scum game i've seen or read, he makes excuses complains and only posts during the time hes not "busy". here he is the opposite he has been in the thread, has argued not complained and not made excuses for his absence plus he did lynch scum oo day one and put rng on him even before he made his entrance into the thread.

You know BH doesn't choose who gets RNGed. That's kind of the whole point of RNG.


Probably that point wasn't clear since I didn't talk much about it. I know that he doesn't choose who to rng, but as scum it would be safer for him to change who gets rng'd instead of someone who is their scum partner the rest of the meta case is the same i just shouldn't of put in that one part.


he'd look scummy if he changed it because it's the same as he always does


Couldn't BH manipulate it before he posted it though so that it did not come up a scum buddy? Though in tin hat land this woudl be amazing for him to get town cred for life


It is really not at ALL possible to manipulate the RNG. Trust me when I say it's truly random. Here's how the RNG works.

1. Each post made across all of TL is given a unique ID #. Since there are like 20+ posts per second being made on TL, this means that it's basically impossible to guess with more accuracy than "within 20" what the ID # will be.
2. Through the use of the Modulo Operation, I can convert that ~20 post uncertainty into a random number generator that can get as big as 1-20 and still be reliable in terms of still being random.
3. Since I don't know the post ID # until AFTER I've posted it, there's no way for me to "select" a post ID number. I say in the post "this post is the post whose ID # I'm going to use" and I make the post, and there's the ID number after I've made the post. There's no way to backtrack this.

I've thought about ways to game it, and basically it's not possible to game. There's one circusmtance where it is possible to control the RNG, in large games.

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I wouldn't use this method in a game with more than 20 people since it becomes less random (since one could predict, for example, which half the RNG was likely to land it, etc as the size of the modulo approaches the posts-per-second count. A particularly skilled and fast player with reflexes under a second, in a game with more than 20 players (or if there's a weird lull in TL posting for some reason) could game the RNG system so that he could narrow down which half of the player list the RNG would fall into, or even more, by making another post in another thread somewhere on TL, quickly reading the post ID, then making the RNG post in the Mafia thread in under a second. This is still noticeable to anyone who looks at the guy's TL post history, but it might not be noticed. In any case, not doable in a game this small.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25558 Posts
October 08 2014 18:26 GMT
#1103
Plus, let me assure you, if it was possible for me to easily control the outcome of my RNG, I'd use it literally every game as scum and never tell anyone about it. Given that I use RNG pretty sparingly as scum (tather than all the damn time), you can infer that I haven't found some tactic that makes it gameable. Remember, I'm willing to forge rental agreements and take photos of houses and boxes and stuff in order to lie as scum; if I had the ability to abuse the RNG concept, I'd be doing it constantly. I've tried to think of a way, too, don't get me wrong-- it's just not possible.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25558 Posts
October 08 2014 19:20 GMT
#1121
On October 09 2014 04:15 batsnacks wrote:
Actually it is possible to game BH's system without a time machine. It's the same as using bots to post "combos" on high traffic websites like 4chan.


This would be in violation of TL Forum rules, but yes, if you're willing to go that far, it could be done.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25558 Posts
October 08 2014 19:33 GMT
#1125
On October 09 2014 04:23 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2014 04:20 Blazinghand wrote:
On October 09 2014 04:15 batsnacks wrote:
Actually it is possible to game BH's system without a time machine. It's the same as using bots to post "combos" on high traffic websites like 4chan.


This would be in violation of TL Forum rules, but yes, if you're willing to go that far, it could be done.

hmmm I think I've already learned that there are no limits to the lengths BH will go to win at mafia.


I wouldn't break the rules of the game nor would I break forum rules. Everything else is fair game.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25558 Posts
October 09 2014 02:19 GMT
#1159
On October 09 2014 11:14 Hopeless1der wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2014 11:12 batsnacks wrote:
On October 09 2014 11:11 Hopeless1der wrote:
On October 09 2014 11:09 Grackaroni wrote:
Hope why did you end up voting OO? You originally liked his tone and you were complaining about it being a policy lynch for a while.

because RNGesus told me to. No wait that was Blazinghand. same difference.

In all seriousness, it seemed inevitable and I wasnt interested in pushing damdred or lian over OO, especially since OO came in long enough to give us something and never return. I was willing to switch around up until I asked where the hell did he go?


What do you think your scummiest post is?

this one


[image loading]

this response was so amazing
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25558 Posts
October 09 2014 02:50 GMT
#1170
On October 09 2014 11:46 Holyflare wrote:
actually fuck it, the rber died, I AM actually the vigilante and all my reads have been hidden

i know you may hate me but I'm ACTUALLY shooting BH, I will very likely die tonight so tomorrow hopefully the cop checks like lian or hopeless (probably hopeless best)


lynch this guy tomorrow. never mind about OWS. this is my dying wish, there's no possible explanation for that shot to make sense. at all.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25558 Posts
October 09 2014 02:51 GMT
#1173
though FWIW nowhere in his filter does HF say he has a townread on me, but it's still so stupid he's incapable of it as town, no way he shoots me legit. he's scum. kill him. kill him with fire
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25558 Posts
October 09 2014 02:53 GMT
#1175
Hmm, never mind then. If there are two deaths overnight, and I'm one of them, that means that HF is just impossibly bad, or HF is scum gambling that there's a vigi (which he can't know) and willing to fight a 1v1 claim war...

yeah actually HF town then. if he shoots me. goddamnit HF
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25558 Posts
October 09 2014 02:55 GMT
#1178
wow, I wish there was some set of logic where if HF shoots me he's scum, because i'd love him to die for his shot, but no, he has to be town. it's kinda disgusting honestly. If there are 2 nks and I'm one of them... barring a counterclaim (very unlikely)... HF would be confirmed town for shooting me. I hate this game.
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