I took notes going through the days and figured I would publish them at the end of the day. I don't feel like going through and quoting a lot of stuff as work was hellish and i'm sorry that I was unable to make deadline.

Day 1:

There were a few main points that bugged me about this day. Town was not that dysfunctional at this point, there were some splintering in the town which is to be expected but their were a few moments when the town really could of came together and lynched scum.

Holyflare actually made a decent point about Superbia and backed off way to fast over a non reason. Storrs reasoning about Super I believe it was is very highly flawed and the evidence that HF came up with and pushed at first was not bad at all. It was a lot better than what the thread ended up pushing. Nobody really payed the case much attention and I felt like HF really gave up on it to fast wish it could of been talked about, this really could of been the start of town lynching scum hard but it fell through.

Skydragon was another point of contention day 1. I'm going to tell you guys this the way you guys handled him day one was pretty bad and toxic, infact most of the days he was alive he was treated pretty badly from my prespective at least. You guys tried to force him into a mold that he was not used to at all and the whole pacing of it really affected him towards the negative day one, his read lists and what not he posted this day felt really rushed and short sighted which they were. From experience Sky usually takes a more laid back approach in dealing with the early days so that he can later expand on reads later and come out on top (which I will talk about more later). But most of the thread tried to force him into changing his playstyle and conform with what the thread thought he should be playing. This was a really negative way and really hurt towns chances on coming together. Palmar with that gutread, i'm surprised palmar didn't recognize sky since I linked him to several games when I joined storm which sky was in but it was easy to forget that.

The lynch on hopeless was not a bad one, the seer could of averted it by playing a bit more aggressive with outing himself here. But the whole thing was weird, not much was needed from mafia standpoint to secure this mislynch some thought hopeless was lying etc. It was a good scum lynch

Day 2:

Overall this day was a huge bust, look at the two wagons you basically had to choose from. Skydragon and Palmar at the end of the day, at one point JAT could of been lynched but that was overall out of the question this day.

The switch to Palmar was the worst thing that could of happened this day though. Palmar was trying to figure out the game and was no where near as scummy as some of the other people in the thread at this point. You guys knew that skydragon would be the lynch the next day no matter what palmar was still a question mark but participating as was many of the others, most people were 100% sure sky was scum because they were unsure about his playstyle. Even though he gave a couple good reads before he died it might of served town better for him to die so that they could of moved on, overall it was the perfect lynch for scum to help along.

The fake red check by our seer killed the town morale for this day. Like Palmar ended up trying to replace out, the flaming became edge of horrible and got several messages about wanting to quit and the thread being toxic. This whole situation killed town, especially when you only out green checks and one of them dead....just a bad town play.

Day 3:

Town was pretty much stuck only on one thing lynch skydragon. In the obs thread we talked about this a bit, at this point skydragon really is barely playing and we have all been here, where we have been tunneled for days as town and we just do not want to play anymore. But he came out of no where and put in some work and actually put out a decent JAT case that everyone but JAT ignored and called out all three scum after rereading the game which nobody revisited.

Town lynched the only person it could today.

Day 4:

Tunnels tunnels everywhere and scum just had to stand by. The replace in was a hard decision that yam had to make, I support him in his decision scum won but it made the game interesting at least.

Also as a side note, Sky was asked not to link games from sk mods, he did not lie.

GG scum you deserved the win, great pushes when you needed to.

Superbia

Netherlands8889 Posts

October 03 2014 02:19 GMT

#3011

Thanks for the writeup damd, pretty cool to read an outsider's perspective!

Damdred

15669 Posts

October 03 2014 02:19 GMT

#3012

Oh and sky will be back he's already told me

Superbia

Netherlands8889 Posts

October 03 2014 02:19 GMT

#3013

Nice. :D

Holyflare

United Kingdom30774 Posts

October 03 2014 02:20 GMT

#3014

oh i said damdred told me something as a reaction test btw

Holyflare

United Kingdom30774 Posts

October 03 2014 02:21 GMT

#3015

and there's a reason we tell people to play newbies before main games, even if we were a bit harsh

Damdred

15669 Posts

October 03 2014 02:25 GMT

#3016

No offense hf but that's BS his reads he gave were spot on when he was able to get it done. I've seen vets put in less effort and not given as hard a time and it sucks. Its a strange thing if you treat someone like crap they generally just don't feel like contributing...

Holyflare

United Kingdom30774 Posts

October 03 2014 02:58 GMT

#3017

i didn't say his reads weren't spot on but it's most certainly not bs, this game is about convincing people and if you don't know how we play and shut down when put under any accusation then this forum will be a very very steep learning curve and it's best to work up gradually from newbies

this is a main game and we aren't entirely situated to accommodate for newer people, while yes we were quite harsh (in the most part it was mafia pushing him hard) i feel like we gave him ample breathing space and it's just the fact that he was thrown into the deep end in a game where we criticise very harshly for inconsistencies and other basic mafia signs than normal

ObiWanShinobi

United States8089 Posts

October 03 2014 03:03 GMT

#3018

Yeah, I looked back on the Superbia analysis and I was shocked that everyone let him go.

Everybody was commenting on how good Holy's analysis was and then he just kind of dropped it to go after someone else. People were reading him as town because he got mad and because he made big posts later on though, so who knows. Sometimes making those big fancy posts help you out.

I'm not sure if the post I planned out on day 1 concerning Hopeless and such would have changed how it went though.