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On September 30 2014 12:08 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2014 11:24 Holyflare wrote:
Haru hasn't been on any wagons on any lynch and while making a bit of sense day 1, completely devolved day 3 and is doing nothing today (even posted wrong info about killing) I'm not interested to tell you why, and i am asked not to /replace, so here i am again.
Who asked him not to replace, btw?
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On October 01 2014 00:29 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2014 00:18 justanothertownie wrote:On October 01 2014 00:05 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On September 30 2014 23:53 justanothertownie wrote:On September 30 2014 00:34 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Heading off to work. Will try to come up with new ideas for when I get back. Hello. That's a blatant misrepresentation of my filter if I ever saw one. Uhm, what? Guess my stuff aimed at HF/FF just disappeared without me knowing.
You asked each of them a question or 2 and that was basically it. Next to no input from yourself.
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On October 01 2014 00:30 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2014 12:08 HaruRH wrote:On September 30 2014 11:24 Holyflare wrote:
Haru hasn't been on any wagons on any lynch and while making a bit of sense day 1, completely devolved day 3 and is doing nothing today (even posted wrong info about killing) I'm not interested to tell you why, and i am asked not to /replace, so here i am again. Who asked him not to replace, btw?
The hosts I guess. If what he says is true. Nothing we could know or check in any way.
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Who told him not to replace?
It implies that someone told him to stay in the game. Was it the hosts or his scumteam? I'd imagine the hosts wouldn't care.
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On October 01 2014 00:31 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2014 00:29 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On October 01 2014 00:18 justanothertownie wrote:On October 01 2014 00:05 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On September 30 2014 23:53 justanothertownie wrote:On September 30 2014 00:34 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Heading off to work. Will try to come up with new ideas for when I get back. Hello. That's a blatant misrepresentation of my filter if I ever saw one. Uhm, what? Guess my stuff aimed at HF/FF just disappeared without me knowing. You asked each of them a question or 2 and that was basically it. Next to no input from yourself.
No, I had an issue with what FF was doing around EoD and Holyflare's switch was weird.
Holyflare asked for meta and then switched, despite the meta not being useful in any way. So I didn't know why he switched.
I was under the impression that asking questions and whatnot was the basis of scumhunting.
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For the future - Storr, please refrain from adding coloured stuff in quotes. I know managing multiple quotes is annoying but it is even more annoying to read or answer to your cases this way.
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On October 01 2014 00:35 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2014 00:31 justanothertownie wrote:On October 01 2014 00:29 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On October 01 2014 00:18 justanothertownie wrote:On October 01 2014 00:05 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On September 30 2014 23:53 justanothertownie wrote:On September 30 2014 00:34 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Heading off to work. Will try to come up with new ideas for when I get back. Hello. That's a blatant misrepresentation of my filter if I ever saw one. Uhm, what? Guess my stuff aimed at HF/FF just disappeared without me knowing. You asked each of them a question or 2 and that was basically it. Next to no input from yourself. No, I had an issue with what FF was doing around EoD and Holyflare's switch was weird. Holyflare asked for meta and then switched, despite the meta not being useful in any way. So I didn't know why he switched. I was under the impression that asking questions and whatnot was the basis of scumhunting.
I am not even denying that. What I am saying is that you did not really show the conclusions you got.
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On October 01 2014 00:16 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2014 00:09 StorrZerg wrote:comments in blue on things that are possible to have a response form my self On September 29 2014 23:24 justanothertownie wrote:
Like Storrs reasoning for pushing Palmar is so wrong it can't be unintentional. And you are calling him town for it.
why not? my reason ended up being wrong. It wasn't that far fetch from my stand point, i have high expectations from killing .
On September 29 2014 23:28 justanothertownie wrote:On September 29 2014 09:17 StorrZerg wrote:On September 28 2014 05:10 Palmar wrote:
Also for what it's worth, I sincerely fucking hope our cop checked Holyflare last night. I am in no mood to argue with him for 15 pages, but there is a chance he is mafia. There's something off about his play here, he's just not.... being smart and analytical enough for my taste. super fake post. On September 28 2014 05:16 Palmar wrote:On September 28 2014 05:14 batsnacks wrote:
This isn't game related or anything, but was English your first language? Your English is really good. Nope, Icelandic is my first language. it was strange that palmar talked about this. On September 28 2014 07:40 Palmar wrote:
Yeah policy lynching Killing for this. This has to be the 4th or 5tth remark about "policy lynching" I don't think town palmar talks about policy lynches all the time. Most of his pushes day 1, had to do with policy, and today he keeps enforcing policy. Nothing here makes sense. Palmar talked about the language because he was ASKED about it. He always talks about policies and Storr should know that since he was in the last game where this was a discussed issue. yeah, so you bring up the game where i was mafia, and clearly not giving a rats ass what was going on. I do remember him being bitched at for not doing more policy stuff. On September 29 2014 09:27 StorrZerg wrote:
Palmar hasn't been active in doing anything. He has a lot of posts, but he is doing nothing to progress the game.
His day 1 push was a feeling. Half of his scum reads are because of policy. haru "gotta be scum because he said he was going to a real life event" "killing gotta be scum cause not claiming asap" etc etc etc.
Palmar was the only one who took the time to analyse multiple people without being poked to do so or them being on the chopping block. If there was someone that did things to progress the game -> Palmar. You don't have to agree with his reads. I didn't either. But saying that Palmar did nothing is just asinine. ok. thats after the fact. its all ready been stated that my push on palmar was super trumped up, because of the scenario that was flying in my head. i didnt see you defending palmar near that point. in fact you seem to be very much ok with the whole ordeal thats going on.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/467273-2p2-vanilla-werewolf-13er?page=83#1648
i mean you obviously feel very strongly about this point, i just can't believe you would be waiting to bring it up. hell i tried pushing you, so you had to be paying attention, you could have been fighting with what i was doing, yet you sat back and even provoked the situation with that post. On September 29 2014 09:32 StorrZerg wrote:On September 29 2014 09:30 Superbia wrote:On September 29 2014 09:24 StorrZerg wrote:On September 29 2014 09:22 Superbia wrote:
I don't think Palmar is scum here, should just stick with the vote for today. NO SWITCH NOW I'm not convinced man. The whole icelandic thing and the policy lynches thing are both really weak. His fake post? Makes sense from my perspective. The only thing you have on him is the sudden townread on you, which is in no way alignment indicative enough for me to switch. Like do you have any other substantial reads? How did you even switch to Palmar that quickly? palmar isn't doing anything. Sky could be town and be just bad. super fucking bad. (he still is likely mafia) palmars previous game, he had reads as town. he "did things" i really don't care if he is known for policy, his entire play has been policy over stupid things. He literally doesn't care about EoD Palmar gave reads. Probably more of them than anyone else here. On September 29 2014 23:29 justanothertownie wrote:
Storr is mafia. Sky too. On September 29 2014 23:34 justanothertownie wrote:On September 29 2014 23:34 StorrZerg wrote:
I can't believe he was actually playing this bad. I thought bats was actually the cop with red on palmar. Killing was faking a green on the real cop to give bats another day. Nope...
I feel so retarded. lol wut How the hell would Killing know that bats was cop? On September 29 2014 23:40 justanothertownie wrote:On September 29 2014 23:38 StorrZerg wrote:On September 29 2014 23:34 justanothertownie wrote:On September 29 2014 23:34 StorrZerg wrote:
I can't believe he was actually playing this bad. I thought bats was actually the cop with red on palmar. Killing was faking a green on the real cop to give bats another day. Nope...
I feel so retarded. lol wut How the hell would Killing know that bats was cop? Because bats "softed" first If you thought that soft was real you would not have believed that bats had a redcheck on Palmar but on HF. /dunked when i came in game, bats wasn't pushing HF, he was pushing palmar. didnt matter about the early potential fake red on hf, or real red on hf. bats was pushing palmar.
On September 30 2014 00:04 justanothertownie wrote:
Nothing storr says makes any sense. super glad this means anything.
well i can't respond to some of this since they are not actual accusations, or doesn't actually lead to anything, or there is no real body in the post.
so if they are random comments like "storr is bad" then my response is "ok i guess lol?"
That's fair enough. I am not expecting you to answer those things. But I am not happy with the things you can and did answer like the softing thing. People thought batsnacks softed having a redcheck on HF. Are you telling me you didn't know that and instead just believed people who said he is softing? And still you pushed hard for Palmars lynch without even doublechecking that? It was absolutely obvious for anyone reading the thread that batsnacks did not have a redcheck on Palmar EVEN IF Killing wasn't the cop which you claim to have thought since day1. Your story just doesn't add up at all.
Here is the deal. Killing play day 1. cop play. He was active enough to seem town, but very inactive play. Gave a town list, didn't care to elaborate on his reads that much, just a no care attitude.
Day 2, he claims. Now his claim makes sense from my stand point, yet what is weird is how he claimed. He claimed with a dead check and an alive green on someone who potentially softed cop.
This is where i was rethinking killing as cop. He was playing so bad, and insulting so much, and his checks didn't make that much sense for why he outed. Hence, i figured the only he was making this dumbshit play was because he wasn't actually the cop.
So i moved to batsnacks. He has to be the cop, killing is covering him, and he probably has a red check which is why he is pushing palmar for little reason. He is super hostile to anyone, he is throwing his confirmed self all over the place with threats. This play seemed to be like someone who had more information than i did. Hence why things "fell in line" as to why he could be cop.
As for holyflare and bats. what does it matter. If bats really had a check on holy, he would have pushed it. EoD he wasn't pushing holy, he was pushing palmar.
As for the double check question. people bashed on bats for softing cop. he denied it.
As for being obvious, it isn't that obvious to me. Most of you don't have that many games with joey, or know how he plays roles. Bats was part of the equation not the whole thing. So yes, my story does add up. Because if killing wasn't the cop, and was covering bats. Bats would be pushing his read check EoD. Doing what ever he could to get it done.
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On October 01 2014 00:34 Holyflare wrote:
Yamato asked for a replacement in thread earlier.
Did he do it of his own volition or did Haru PM him for it?
Did yamato himself ask him to stay in or what?
The hosts can't interfere with the game.
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On October 01 2014 00:37 StorrZerg wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2014 00:16 justanothertownie wrote:On October 01 2014 00:09 StorrZerg wrote:comments in blue on things that are possible to have a response form my self On September 29 2014 23:24 justanothertownie wrote:
Like Storrs reasoning for pushing Palmar is so wrong it can't be unintentional. And you are calling him town for it.
why not? my reason ended up being wrong. It wasn't that far fetch from my stand point, i have high expectations from killing .
On September 29 2014 23:28 justanothertownie wrote:On September 29 2014 09:17 StorrZerg wrote:On September 28 2014 05:10 Palmar wrote:
Also for what it's worth, I sincerely fucking hope our cop checked Holyflare last night. I am in no mood to argue with him for 15 pages, but there is a chance he is mafia. There's something off about his play here, he's just not.... being smart and analytical enough for my taste. super fake post. On September 28 2014 05:16 Palmar wrote:On September 28 2014 05:14 batsnacks wrote:
This isn't game related or anything, but was English your first language? Your English is really good. Nope, Icelandic is my first language. it was strange that palmar talked about this. On September 28 2014 07:40 Palmar wrote:
Yeah policy lynching Killing for this. This has to be the 4th or 5tth remark about "policy lynching" I don't think town palmar talks about policy lynches all the time. Most of his pushes day 1, had to do with policy, and today he keeps enforcing policy. Nothing here makes sense. Palmar talked about the language because he was ASKED about it. He always talks about policies and Storr should know that since he was in the last game where this was a discussed issue. yeah, so you bring up the game where i was mafia, and clearly not giving a rats ass what was going on. I do remember him being bitched at for not doing more policy stuff. On September 29 2014 09:27 StorrZerg wrote:
Palmar hasn't been active in doing anything. He has a lot of posts, but he is doing nothing to progress the game.
His day 1 push was a feeling. Half of his scum reads are because of policy. haru "gotta be scum because he said he was going to a real life event" "killing gotta be scum cause not claiming asap" etc etc etc.
Palmar was the only one who took the time to analyse multiple people without being poked to do so or them being on the chopping block. If there was someone that did things to progress the game -> Palmar. You don't have to agree with his reads. I didn't either. But saying that Palmar did nothing is just asinine. ok. thats after the fact. its all ready been stated that my push on palmar was super trumped up, because of the scenario that was flying in my head. i didnt see you defending palmar near that point. in fact you seem to be very much ok with the whole ordeal thats going on.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/467273-2p2-vanilla-werewolf-13er?page=83#1648
i mean you obviously feel very strongly about this point, i just can't believe you would be waiting to bring it up. hell i tried pushing you, so you had to be paying attention, you could have been fighting with what i was doing, yet you sat back and even provoked the situation with that post. On September 29 2014 09:32 StorrZerg wrote:On September 29 2014 09:30 Superbia wrote:On September 29 2014 09:24 StorrZerg wrote:On September 29 2014 09:22 Superbia wrote:
I don't think Palmar is scum here, should just stick with the vote for today. NO SWITCH NOW I'm not convinced man. The whole icelandic thing and the policy lynches thing are both really weak. His fake post? Makes sense from my perspective. The only thing you have on him is the sudden townread on you, which is in no way alignment indicative enough for me to switch. Like do you have any other substantial reads? How did you even switch to Palmar that quickly? palmar isn't doing anything. Sky could be town and be just bad. super fucking bad. (he still is likely mafia) palmars previous game, he had reads as town. he "did things" i really don't care if he is known for policy, his entire play has been policy over stupid things. He literally doesn't care about EoD Palmar gave reads. Probably more of them than anyone else here. On September 29 2014 23:29 justanothertownie wrote:
Storr is mafia. Sky too. On September 29 2014 23:34 justanothertownie wrote:On September 29 2014 23:34 StorrZerg wrote:
I can't believe he was actually playing this bad. I thought bats was actually the cop with red on palmar. Killing was faking a green on the real cop to give bats another day. Nope...
I feel so retarded. lol wut How the hell would Killing know that bats was cop? On September 29 2014 23:40 justanothertownie wrote:On September 29 2014 23:38 StorrZerg wrote:On September 29 2014 23:34 justanothertownie wrote:On September 29 2014 23:34 StorrZerg wrote:
I can't believe he was actually playing this bad. I thought bats was actually the cop with red on palmar. Killing was faking a green on the real cop to give bats another day. Nope...
I feel so retarded. lol wut How the hell would Killing know that bats was cop? Because bats "softed" first If you thought that soft was real you would not have believed that bats had a redcheck on Palmar but on HF. /dunked when i came in game, bats wasn't pushing HF, he was pushing palmar. didnt matter about the early potential fake red on hf, or real red on hf. bats was pushing palmar.
On September 30 2014 00:04 justanothertownie wrote:
Nothing storr says makes any sense. super glad this means anything.
well i can't respond to some of this since they are not actual accusations, or doesn't actually lead to anything, or there is no real body in the post.
so if they are random comments like "storr is bad" then my response is "ok i guess lol?"
That's fair enough. I am not expecting you to answer those things. But I am not happy with the things you can and did answer like the softing thing. People thought batsnacks softed having a redcheck on HF. Are you telling me you didn't know that and instead just believed people who said he is softing? And still you pushed hard for Palmars lynch without even doublechecking that? It was absolutely obvious for anyone reading the thread that batsnacks did not have a redcheck on Palmar EVEN IF Killing wasn't the cop which you claim to have thought since day1. Your story just doesn't add up at all. Here is the deal. Killing play day 1. cop play. He was active enough to seem town, but very inactive play. Gave a town list, didn't care to elaborate on his reads that much, just a no care attitude. Day 2, he claims. Now his claim makes sense from my stand point, yet what is weird is how he claimed. He claimed with a dead check and an alive green on someone who potentially softed cop. This is where i was rethinking killing as cop. He was playing so bad, and insulting so much, and his checks didn't make that much sense for why he outed. Hence, i figured the only he was making this dumbshit play was because he wasn't actually the cop. So i moved to batsnacks. He has to be the cop, killing is covering him, and he probably has a red check which is why he is pushing palmar for little reason. He is super hostile to anyone, he is throwing his confirmed self all over the place with threats. This play seemed to be like someone who had more information than i did. Hence why things "fell in line" as to why he could be cop. As for holyflare and bats. what does it matter. If bats really had a check on holy, he would have pushed it. EoD he wasn't pushing holy, he was pushing palmar. As for the double check question. people bashed on bats for softing cop. he denied it. As for being obvious, it isn't that obvious to me. Most of you don't have that many games with joey, or know how he plays roles. Bats was part of the equation not the whole thing. So yes, my story does add up. Because if killing wasn't the cop, and was covering bats. Bats would be pushing his read check EoD. Doing what ever he could to get it done.
Meeeeeeh... maybe. I somehow have doubts that mafia would invent a story that is so unbelievable.
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On October 01 2014 00:25 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2014 00:22 StorrZerg wrote:On October 01 2014 00:17 justanothertownie wrote:
And you can bet your ass I would have done something against that lynch had I not fallen asleep. On September 29 2014 08:58 justanothertownie wrote:
... Palmar knows very well that noone will listen to him and is still throwing his vote on a guy that isn't being lynched. in fact you had been around when bats was trying to use hostile voting to make you switch so this is a straight up lie lol No, it is not. After this post I made a few more pushing Sky and fell asleep very soon when Palmar still wasn't in any real danger.
whats it matter if plamar is in danger when you sleep.
i was "blatantly stating wrong things" from your view point. if you are town, how could you let this stand?
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On September 30 2014 05:47 StorrZerg wrote:comments in blue Show nested quote +On September 27 2014 22:33 HaruRH wrote:On September 27 2014 09:56 Holyflare wrote:
FecalFeast: Superbia
Skydragon:: Killing, StorrZerg, Hopeless1der
Hopeless1der:: Palmar, Holyflare, batsnacks, skydragon, fecalfeast, justanothertownie. ObiWanShinobi
superbia:: HaruRH
Killing:: Glowingbear
Alright, this vote count is more accurate than yamato's final vote count. I am going to make some assumptions here: 1) You just have to accept that I am town. 2) Almost all wolf were on hopeless. It is NOT possible that all the wolf were superbia,killing storrZerg. However, there certainly is 1 or 2 wolf amongst these 3. States most wolves would be on hopeless, yet thinks a possible 2 within 3 people. feels odd to think this way from a town perspective. 2 wolfies between: Palmar, Holyflare, batsnacks, skydragon, fecalfeast, justanothertownie. 1 wolf between: Killing, storrZerg, superbia. We now have it restated that we only have 1 wolf now between these 3. When earlier it could have been 2. I think this comes from a mafia perspective, trying to force out what should be correct, while avoiding "reading" people. I distributed my wolfreads as such because 1) mafia always try to vote on the largest wagon to not feel left out. 2)at least/most 1 mafia would split off and vote some random player. I am very certain that glowingbear was killed because he was right. There was no way they killed him for the lulz when there is HF,palmar, jat etc as town. He is also not overwhelmingly town. In fact, he smelt scum to me for a while. The assurance that GB was right. Yet only talking about the mafia reads on gb. Not the town reads. This seems like forced information about the dead. Directed, specific. I find it interesting that he lists off townies as HF palmar jat as "town"what chance did any of these 3 have to die in the night for n1? holy pushed a wrong lynch very hard, palmar we now know is town, jat wasn't super active, nor did he push a correct direction. So why did any of these 3 mean anything more than GB from haru's perspective. His wolf reads were: killing, storrzerg, batsnacksThis is very interesting, i think we now know why GB was killed. All his mafia reads are wrong. Killing was cop, bats has been green checked, and i'm town. GB was clearly not on the right track, he was not killed because of how well he was scum hunting. He was killed for how off track he was, and how town he looked. I am going to say that i too think killing was wolf. Not superbia. I am also going to say that HF is maybe town. But i still need to see what he is going to do. Therefore, my lynchlist for d2 is(in order of scumminess): Killing batsnacks skydragon I'm really not sure why haru has been leaving me out so much. Have i been avoiding haru? yes, defending on policy sure. logically i should be in here. Even on day 3, haru keeps "forgetting about me" I am still unsure of skydragon and less unsure of batsnacks, but i am quite sure of killing. Lets lynch him. It will reveal tons of info too even if he flip town. What would we have learned at this point if he flips town? At this point in time, he had been fairly low key, had pointed out quite a few town reads, had a few mafia reads. As a town, if i had stated something like this, wouldn't it also be important to let others know what we would learn? there is no follow up to this, even though he wasn't lynched, he did die in the night, he did have reads, yet haru doesn't follow up or give input to what we should have learned. as soon as we have claim from Killing, haru falls off terribly on day 2. checks out of the game. all motivation stops to lynch killing, and provides no input as to how the day should go.
I guess I can see how Haru looks scummy from your perspective if you are town. But one thing here really stands out to me: How do you know I wasn't pushing in a correct direction? I was pushing Skydragon for the majority of day1.
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On October 01 2014 00:43 StorrZerg wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2014 00:25 justanothertownie wrote:On October 01 2014 00:22 StorrZerg wrote:On October 01 2014 00:17 justanothertownie wrote:
And you can bet your ass I would have done something against that lynch had I not fallen asleep. On September 29 2014 08:58 justanothertownie wrote:
... Palmar knows very well that noone will listen to him and is still throwing his vote on a guy that isn't being lynched. in fact you had been around when bats was trying to use hostile voting to make you switch so this is a straight up lie lol No, it is not. After this post I made a few more pushing Sky and fell asleep very soon when Palmar still wasn't in any real danger. whats it matter if plamar is in danger when you sleep. i was "blatantly stating wrong things" from your view point. if you are town, how could you let this stand?
Because I was asleep?! Look at when I posted my last post. That's pretty much when I stopped being awake.
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because of where your vote is at the end
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The best point of your Haru case is the GB stuff. I think he is the only person in the game who tried to make an argument of the GB kill (?) which is kinda scummy.
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On October 01 2014 00:50 StorrZerg wrote:
because of where your vote is at the end
Yeah, but that person was dead n1. It would only be logical for mafia to assume that I would be pushing my other reads from there on.
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On October 01 2014 00:36 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2014 00:35 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On October 01 2014 00:31 justanothertownie wrote:On October 01 2014 00:29 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On October 01 2014 00:18 justanothertownie wrote:On October 01 2014 00:05 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On September 30 2014 23:53 justanothertownie wrote:On September 30 2014 00:34 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Heading off to work. Will try to come up with new ideas for when I get back. Hello. That's a blatant misrepresentation of my filter if I ever saw one. Uhm, what? Guess my stuff aimed at HF/FF just disappeared without me knowing. You asked each of them a question or 2 and that was basically it. Next to no input from yourself. No, I had an issue with what FF was doing around EoD and Holyflare's switch was weird. Holyflare asked for meta and then switched, despite the meta not being useful in any way. So I didn't know why he switched. I was under the impression that asking questions and whatnot was the basis of scumhunting. I am not even denying that. What I am saying is that you did not really show the conclusions you got.
This is a recurring theme for him
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On October 01 2014 00:34 Holyflare wrote:
Yamato asked for a replacement in thread earlier.
Do you have anything to say that is game relevant?
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