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On September 02 2014 08:39 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Also, I'd really like to point out that this isn't the game to be posting stupid gifs/random useless shit. I actually really want to kill batsnacks for posting his wall because I really can't see any kind of town/goofy reason for him to put it up there unless the host made him.
No way host made him post that, it's way too obvious + really quick to be anything mission-related. Not sure what it is actually :\
Agreed with the no stupid/offtopic stuff.
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On September 02 2014 09:37 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2014 08:11 The_Templar wrote:On September 02 2014 08:10 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Templar, all of your scumreads are incredibly superficial. Just throwing that out there.
That's because the entire game is superficial so far. I read your giant post. Do you really feel with the game being so superficial atm that you can give that many reads confidently? I personally have 1 read on ninjabunnies whom I'm voting and I think her response was scummy but honestly its so early I have about 20% confidence in it actually being correct. So my question is why would you out so many reads early in a game you see as being superficial yourself?
These are my initial thoughts and I am just documenting them; I really don't think those three are red, and two is unlikely, but I am definitely leaning towards one of them being red.
I don't think I expressed confidence in any of my opinions yet because, as I clarified later, these stages don't really matter. I happened to have a bit of extra time so I elaborated and responded to most of the posts that had popped up in this thread, partly because I thought some of them were very strange.
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On September 02 2014 10:37 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2014 05:29 Tehpoofter wrote:On September 02 2014 05:25 kitaman27 wrote:On September 02 2014 05:12 mderg wrote:
IMO proper reads > catching people on missions True, though at this point nobody has any proper reads for at least a few more hours. I'd prefer to to speculate to see if we can come up with any policies to break the system. For example, if we all agree to cut the day cycle short by one hour as if that were the deadline and then all move our votes to whoever had the majority at that point, we might be able to trigger a failure on a vote related mission.Something else to keep in mind may be getting baited into using certain trigger words. For instance, perhaps the mafia player needs 3 people to say the phrase "OMGUS" during the cycle or something. Yeah this could be a good idea. Potentially although activity at the 2 hours ish before is paramount! So we would all need to figure out if we can be here for this. I'm going to stick away from saying any buzz words. I think maybe we could do something like referring to each other as "Villagers" and "wolves" instead of "Town and mafia" might potentially break a mission where maybe they have to be called town by a certain number of people or something. fuck off
On September 02 2014 11:09 kushm4sta wrote:
let's refer to tehpoofter as fucktard. that way we break any mission where scum has to say tehpoofter a certain number of times.
What is making you do this?
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On September 02 2014 11:11 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2014 10:02 The_Templar wrote:On September 02 2014 09:37 Tehpoofter wrote:On September 02 2014 08:11 The_Templar wrote:On September 02 2014 08:10 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Templar, all of your scumreads are incredibly superficial. Just throwing that out there.
That's because the entire game is superficial so far. I read your giant post. Do you really feel with the game being so superficial atm that you can give that many reads confidently? I personally have 1 read on ninjabunnies whom I'm voting and I think her response was scummy but honestly its so early I have about 20% confidence in it actually being correct. So my question is why would you out so many reads early in a game you see as being superficial yourself? These are my initial thoughts and I am just documenting them; I really don't think those three are red, and two is unlikely, but I am definitely leaning towards one of them being red. I don't think I expressed confidence in any of my opinions yet because, as I clarified later, these stages don't really matter. I happened to have a bit of extra time so I elaborated and responded to most of the posts that had popped up in this thread, partly because I thought some of them were very strange. Fair enough on the elaboration but your post looked like it would normally be made at the later stage of the day 1 or 2. Not something mere 2-3 hours into day 1. I don't really feel like any substantial could have come out of the first couple hours their reads wise and as any setup talk is purely neutral.
Well, I felt the need to at least start doing something now. I have classes for most of tomorrow and while I will still be keeping up with the thread as much as I can, I will not have much time until tuesday night.
I don't think the post was bad. Premature maybe. (this is directed at the above batsnacks vote post)
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On September 02 2014 11:16 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2014 11:14 The_Templar wrote:On September 02 2014 11:11 Tehpoofter wrote:On September 02 2014 10:02 The_Templar wrote:On September 02 2014 09:37 Tehpoofter wrote:On September 02 2014 08:11 The_Templar wrote:On September 02 2014 08:10 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Templar, all of your scumreads are incredibly superficial. Just throwing that out there.
That's because the entire game is superficial so far. I read your giant post. Do you really feel with the game being so superficial atm that you can give that many reads confidently? I personally have 1 read on ninjabunnies whom I'm voting and I think her response was scummy but honestly its so early I have about 20% confidence in it actually being correct. So my question is why would you out so many reads early in a game you see as being superficial yourself? These are my initial thoughts and I am just documenting them; I really don't think those three are red, and two is unlikely, but I am definitely leaning towards one of them being red. I don't think I expressed confidence in any of my opinions yet because, as I clarified later, these stages don't really matter. I happened to have a bit of extra time so I elaborated and responded to most of the posts that had popped up in this thread, partly because I thought some of them were very strange. Fair enough on the elaboration but your post looked like it would normally be made at the later stage of the day 1 or 2. Not something mere 2-3 hours into day 1. I don't really feel like any substantial could have come out of the first couple hours their reads wise and as any setup talk is purely neutral. Well, I felt the need to at least start doing something now. I have classes for most of tomorrow and while I will still be keeping up with the thread as much as I can, I will not have much time until tuesday night. I don't think the post was bad. Premature maybe. (this is directed at the above batsnacks vote post) I can see that a little bit. What did you think of bunnies reaction to my initially troll voting her?
As I said in my long post of length (hereby referred to as LPOL) earlier, I found bunny's reaction over-the-top, which seemed odd.
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On September 02 2014 11:19 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2014 11:14 kushm4sta wrote:On September 02 2014 11:13 kitaman27 wrote:On September 02 2014 11:11 kushm4sta wrote:
Long nonsense post - possibly satisfying a mission. (templar also did a super long shitty post hmm) Does "hmm" imply that you honestly think that templar's long post was mission related? I don't see the relevance. Day 1 scum mission - make a post with a bazillion words in it And how would the mafia team every fail the mission? There is no challenge here...
This is a pointless question. Of course mafia can fail, by being inactive 
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On September 02 2014 11:19 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2014 11:17 kushm4sta wrote:
vivax there is no congruence.
3d is fine
templar is not super scummy
kita "pushing stuff under the rug"... okkkk nice conspiracy theory
batsnacks needs some plynching. That's not the reason I even found kita suspicious initially. Me pushing that notion comes from the fact that I found him suspicious just for his entrance, so what you mention is a consequence and not a cause.
Also found kita suspicious for a different reason.
On September 02 2014 05:25 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2014 05:12 mderg wrote:
IMO proper reads > catching people on missions True, though at this point nobody has any proper reads for at least a few more hours. I'd prefer to to speculate to see if we can come up with any policies to break the system. For example, if we all agree to cut the day cycle short by one hour as if that were the deadline and then all move our votes to whoever had the majority at that point, we might be able to trigger a failure on a vote related mission. Something else to keep in mind may be getting baited into using certain trigger words. For instance, perhaps the mafia player needs 3 people to say the phrase "OMGUS" during the cycle or something.
I found this post suspicious personally, as it involves a convoluted process for something that is both very traceable and probably unnecessary to prevent (it could be the other way around, get X players to vote the same person), and he didn't justify this post either, instead pushing my post (which questioned his post, if anyone bothered to read it). This is the only related post he has made since then:
On September 02 2014 10:33 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2014 08:54 Damdred wrote:
If I may draw your attention to Guilty mafia that just completed, we swung the vote in the last 30 seconds almost to lynch mafia day one. If we get stuck to much in the mindset that we have to find the mission and break it, or piling on votes to one wagon (which i think is what was discussed) is a good idea. It really is not today, or any day. We really need at least two wagons going just so we have another option and we can see peoples voting patterns take form after day1,2,3 etc.. Well that idea would be that the day cycle would be like any other game, except 47 hours instead of 48 hours. You still would have 2 wagons and voting analysis could still be done since the player with the most votes after 47 hours would be lynched. The only difference would be that everyone moves to that player in the last hour. On second thought, people aren't really reliable enough to be around and now that the day is a few hours old, its not really worth discussing policy like that which isn't incredibly important so I say we should probably just drop the idea. Templar's long post wasn't all that interesting, but I won't fault him for sharing thoughts. It will be important to see if he continues to share thoughts rather than making disconnected catch up posts. batsnacks is around, but has chosen not to post so I wouldn't mind a couple of votes on him. Micchan is a reasonable alternative if he doesn't have anything to say either. Show nested quote +On September 02 2014 09:06 3d12 wrote:I think batsnacks is judging reactions and playing provocateur. He looks pretty town from where I'm standing, but I don't have all my chips on the table just yet.  I see batsnacks voting templar after a large low quality post, but I don't see how you automatically come to this conclusion that his is town based on his vote and assume he is playing provocative. It makes me suspicious of you and I wonder if you may know he is town and are attempting to come up with an suggestion that explains his play without the information being there.
We're not all necessarily here an hour before or even at EOD (although I will be every time, sometimes only half an hour before though). So this process seems very messy, and I don't like it at all.
Therefore, I would like some justification on why this is actually necessary.
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On September 02 2014 11:30 kushm4sta wrote:
Seriously templar? you want kita to talk about his retarded mission ideas more?
yes...
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On September 02 2014 11:31 kitaman27 wrote:
@Templar, if you read my earlier post I did say to drop it for that exact reason. I don't feel that setup speculation is worth talking about anymore. It was fine at the start to get input from guys like Damdred who had a fairly town reaction, but that was mostly a conversation starter.
Blech, I even quoted it and stated your exact opinion -.-
That's what I get for not reading. You changed your opinion damn fast though.
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I don't think 3d12 is particularly bad yet. Agreeing with people that look like they know what they're doing as a newbie is perfectly normal so far.
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On September 02 2014 11:43 Vivax wrote:
Btw Templar you didn't comment on kita's posts in a way explaining what you found scummy about them, you only disagreed with his suggestions and only now called it suspicious for you.
Why was kita just white and not pink if you didn't just disagree previously, instead found him suspicious according to your recent opinion?
When I made my post he was white because he had not yet justified his questionable post. I misread his followup and thought he seemed suspicious (a mistake on my part), but he actually immediately redacted his idea. That is not suspicious to me any more.
On September 02 2014 11:23 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2014 11:14 Vivax wrote:
That's exactly the feeling I got from Templar's post and the feeling I get from you is that you're trying to shove it under a carpet after feeling the same. So you're saying that I uncovered a scummy post from my scum buddy templar, pointed it out, and then decided to minimize the severity by "shoving it under a carpet"? meh I called the post a disconnected catchup post because it was. I shared my displeasure about those type of posts, decided that it's not significant enough to push right now, and pushed templar in the direction to not do it again.
However, I don't like this post because he seems to think that it was clearly bad for me to summarize my thoughts and post them, and that he was taking charge to make sure I didn't do it again when this is actually how I play this game normally.
Post referred to was:
It will be important to see if he continues to share thoughts rather than making disconnected catch up posts.
On September 02 2014 11:10 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2014 10:42 Vivax wrote:Templar's long post wasn't all that interesting, but I won't fault him for sharing thoughts. It will be important to see if he continues to share thoughts rather than making disconnected catch up posts.
Also kita I want a followup to this now. Disconnected catch up post sounds like something you would scumread him for and I don't like how you willingly put a caveat in here. I wanna talk about templars post some more. It would be a scum read if he does this repeatedly. It's too early to go after that for a single post. If he starts interacting with the thread, then I'm not as concerned. Who do you find worse, 3d12 or batsnack?
So, if I repeatedly summarize my thoughts on how the thread has developed, I must be scum. Got it.
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EBWOP: "When I made my post he was white because he had not yet justified his questionable post. I misread his followup and thought he seemed suspicious (a mistake on my part), but he actually immediately redacted his idea. That is not suspicious to me any more." --> "When I made my post he was white because he had not yet justified his questionable post. I misread his followup and thought he seemed suspicious (a mistake on my part), but he actually immediately redacted his idea. That is not suspicious to me any more. However, I will be keeping an eye on how he approaches the mission aspect of this game."
(adds sentence)
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On September 02 2014 12:13 Vivax wrote:
Ok I didn't know what Poofter meant until I googled it.
We should change topics. So basically I have this feeling that kita and templar are scummies.
This is sort of an odd post, considering this has already been discussed.
On September 02 2014 11:23 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2014 11:14 Vivax wrote:
That's exactly the feeling I got from Templar's post and the feeling I get from you is that you're trying to shove it under a carpet after feeling the same. So you're saying that I uncovered a scummy post from my scum buddy templar, pointed it out, and then decided to minimize the severity by "shoving it under a carpet"? meh I called the post a disconnected catchup post because it was. I shared my displeasure about those type of posts, decided that it's not significant enough to push right now, and pushed templar in the direction to not do it again.
On September 02 2014 11:30 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2014 11:23 kitaman27 wrote:On September 02 2014 11:14 Vivax wrote:
That's exactly the feeling I got from Templar's post and the feeling I get from you is that you're trying to shove it under a carpet after feeling the same. So you're saying that I uncovered a scummy post from my scum buddy templar, pointed it out, and then decided to minimize the severity by "shoving it under a carpet"? meh I called the post a disconnected catchup post because it was. I shared my displeasure about those type of posts, decided that it's not significant enough to push right now, and pushed templar in the direction to not do it again. You didn't seem displeased, you gave us a reason for you to not pursue it further. If you were displeased I'd expect you to be more confrontational than that, where you give yourself a reason to ignore it. Why bring it up at all if it's of no relevance for you afterwards? That's what I also don't understand from a town pov. I'd expect you to mention things you find worthwhile mentioning and if you mention that but don't apply it at all to your templar read cause apparently it doesn't say enough for you then it just looks like an issue you would find scummy usually, but here you play it down.
Looking at these two posts a second time remind me that kita has been sort of switching back and forth over whether something is ideal/relevant. Making a note to keep track of this.
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On September 02 2014 12:20 Vivax wrote:
It's a bunch of
K:"there's this but let's wait and see"
TT: "K discussing this but white"
TT." tis actually scummy"
TT: "Oh wait I misread I take it back, but this maybe is scummy"
et cetera
I'm going to bed now, but I will try to take a closer look at other players tomorrow instead of focusing primarily on kita. There already seems to be very strange stuff about to happen.
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On September 02 2014 12:22 Vivax wrote:
And I don't see how the post is odd just cause it already has discussed. It's my job to direct the attention to things I find worthy of attention even after the focus has slipped to another location.
And it was odd because you said "Let's change the discussion to ___" when we were recently discussing it
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On September 02 2014 17:58 Oatsmaster wrote:
actually everyone giving a read on bats is scummy.
namely obi, kush kita, among others which is cant remember.
Kush says bats is scum for 0 content when barely anyone posted.
Yeah and I don't think that bats must be scum for being randomly off topic. If you were red, would you really post that for no benefit?
More likely is that he's reaction testing and voted me either because I responded "…wat" to his post or because I found ObiWanShinobi's tendency to stir stuff up and lurk fishy. Could still be red or green though since that post is actually complete nonsense.
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On September 02 2014 22:16 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Actually, I hate Templar's post where he calls like 4 people scummy. I really don't like the fact that he's lying about what I'm doing either.
What are you doing then?
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I'm in class so I don't expect a conversation out of this yet.
Also because of this
On September 02 2014 22:51 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I'm heading off to work.
Try not to flip out when I "stir stuff up" and then "lurk."
We'll talk about this later I guess.
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On September 02 2014 23:32 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2014 23:24 The_Templar wrote:I'm in class so I don't expect a conversation out of this yet. Also because of this On September 02 2014 22:51 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I'm heading off to work.
Try not to flip out when I "stir stuff up" and then "lurk." We'll talk about this later I guess. I'm in class, too. Addiction Disorders and Recovery. Quite interesting. I'm about to comment on the 4 points you gave me that were interesting, so keep an eye out. I'm curious as to why those 4 points though. (The batsnacks horrible post is a given though)
Will do. Low on battery though.
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