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kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
September 15 2014 02:48 GMT
#2201
gb lol. someone is doing a fucking job. and it's either you or vivax, but I think it's you.
Why would you kill ritoky to frame me? Because ritoky thought I was scum. So it makes it less likely that I'm going to be lynched if he gets nked.

I didn't jump on you. It's obviously a decision between you or vivax, and I choose you. That choice shouldn't be a surprise given my reads towards both of you yesterday.
OMGUS.net, kush sex blogs every friday night
kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
September 15 2014 02:49 GMT
#2202
*someone is doing a fucking good job playing scum
OMGUS.net, kush sex blogs every friday night
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
September 15 2014 10:28 GMT
#2203
Kush why would I shoot ritoky if I could shoot Vivax? It doesn't make any sense.
If I was mafia it would be a lot easier to have ritoky here, not Vivax, who has been town read the entire game.
Night kill also doesn't make sense for you because Vivax is hard scumreading you since day3.

##Vote: Vivax

Why is the top town is still alive at LYLO? Because he is mafia!!
I'm adorable.
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
September 15 2014 12:10 GMT
#2204
Kush, scum!Vivax left you alive because he was hard scumreading you. As top town he could easily get you lynched. Also, if that doesn't work he could convince you to kill me using the argument you just used on me!
I'm adorable.
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
September 15 2014 12:17 GMT
#2205
LOOK AT THE GODAMMN WEIRD NIGHTKILLS!! WHY STRANGE PEOPLE IS DYING INSTEAD OF THE TOPTOWN????
I'm adorable.
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
September 15 2014 12:21 GMT
#2206
Vivax picked on you for not voting damdred. You were an easy target for him. He could have changed his vote for you last day, but he decided to lynch oats with me and then blame me for the mislynch.
I'm adorable.
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
September 15 2014 12:27 GMT
#2207
KUSH WHY WOULD I PUSH SO HARD ON OATS IF I WAS MAFIA??? I COULD'VE SHEEPED VIVAX ON THE LYNCH AGAINST YOU!!! IF I WAS MAFIA, I COULD DO THAT AND BLAME VIVAX FOR THE MISLYNCH!!!
I'm adorable.
rightinthefeels
Profile Joined September 2014
Belize37 Posts
September 15 2014 12:36 GMT
#2208
ok gb
##unvote
##vote vivax

i can actually listen to reason.
rightinthefeels
Profile Joined September 2014
Belize37 Posts
September 15 2014 12:36 GMT
#2209
and there goes my smurf mother fuck
kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
September 15 2014 12:38 GMT
#2210
never smurf while high
##unvote
##vote vivax
OMGUS.net, kush sex blogs every friday night
kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
September 15 2014 12:40 GMT
#2211
ok gb why would vivax kill ritoky instead of you, when i scumread ritoky?
OMGUS.net, kush sex blogs every friday night
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
September 15 2014 12:51 GMT
#2212
On September 15 2014 21:40 kushm4sta wrote:
ok gb why would vivax kill ritoky instead of you, when i scumread ritoky?


He probably thought it was too obvious
I'm adorable.
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
September 15 2014 12:52 GMT
#2213
Or part of a mission
I'm adorable.
HaruRH
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Singapore2780 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-15 13:04:04
September 15 2014 13:02 GMT
#2214
Vote Count – Day 5


glowingbear (0): kushm4sta
Vivax (2): glowingbear, kushm4sta

Not voting (1): vivax


Currently, Vivax is set to be lynched with 2 votes.

Please contact the mods if the vote count is incorrect. Thank you!

Day 5 will end in (19:30 GMT (+00:00)).



Note: Voting is mandatory. You may not abstain.
It is fucking D4 and you are still alive as a CONFIRMED FUCKING TOWN. This is how fucking terrible scum thinks you are - Koshi
kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
September 15 2014 18:50 GMT
#2215
I'm gonna abstain your mom
OMGUS.net, kush sex blogs every friday night
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22041 Posts
September 16 2014 15:25 GMT
#2216
Here now.

Time to find out who is the idiot and who the scum.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22041 Posts
September 16 2014 15:28 GMT
#2217
Ok so the guy with the longest filter is scum in your opinion.
The guy who is town like 99 % of the time unless he spams fluff constantly.
Plus me who is one of the most lazy scum on TL.

Can the idiot of the two please step forward and tell me why I NKd two of the guys who had me as town, since the last NK is all the sample you're using for your awful analysis?

Why I was the first to call out Damdred as scum and posted the most arguments for it?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22041 Posts
September 16 2014 15:29 GMT
#2218
Would be funny if you were both scum and the game isn't over cause you have to finish a mission lol.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22041 Posts
September 16 2014 16:14 GMT
#2219
Kush, can you give me your opinion about the content of these posts?
They look very mafia to me now that I'm looking at them after having a little break.

Read them carefully and you will see that the reasons he uses for his reads are nonsense in a lot of cases. And the latest post is from the day Poofter died to a failed mission.

To give you an introduction: Read his Poofter read in his first post, and the later post. I'll explain it to you like you're 5, paraphrasing.

"Poofter is alright, he has low-content, but cause of *some reason about missions we aren't supposed to know anything about* that's not scummy, only if we revisit the idea."

It's super obvious he has no intention of revisiting the idea, and the reason just looks like some reason he made up on the go. He explains that he reads him as town, then mentions a reason for why he could be scum, but he doesn't want to think of that unless "we" revisit the idea about unknown missions in a closed setup.

In the later post:

Mafia-likely (Pink)
TehPoofter (High voting pressure, starting a bandwagon/plynch, very large filter, calls people out on buddying while blatantly attempting to buddy, redeemed so far by good questioning of Templar's motives)


1. Wtf is high voting pressure?
2. How is it scummy?
3. He subtly complained about his low content earlier, now his filter is too large.
4. Buddying is the shittiest reason ever
5. But it's ok he questioned Templar and the rest doesn't really matter.

3d put Poofter into a slot where he would never push for his lynch, but also got a chance to "call him scum" (which he really didn't) in the eventuality of his later flip, and you can judge the reasons by yourself.

On September 03 2014 01:04 3d12 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2014 22:26 kushm4sta wrote:
On September 02 2014 17:24 3d12 wrote:
And currently exhibit A on my list is kushm4sta. Despite the awesomely understanding acceptance of my newbie ways, we haven't seen much from him aside from jumping on the batwagon and refuting Vivax -- who, in my opinion, is making the most sense out of anyone in this entire thread, myself included. Exhibit B is Micchan, who seems strangely quiet. I hope he hasn't gone AFK.


So why am I scum?
"jumping on the bandwagon?" not really a bandwagon since there are only two people voting for batsnacks, and I didn't really jump on it cause I was the first vote.
"refuting vivax" Why are my refutations scummy? What has vivax said that makes sense?


You're right, I thought I saw a third vote for batsnacks. Sorry. I wish there was a neater way to find the current vote count. Is there a program or something that I could use to loop through the thread and count the votes?

As for refuting Vivax, I said that because Vivax is the one that I'm getting the most positive read from so far. He's pointed out very good inconsistency between Templar and kita, and even though Templar has made a few good posts to better explain his views, kita's evasiveness is something to be observed more closely, I think.

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On September 02 2014 22:12 kitaman27 wrote:
On September 02 2014 17:24 3d12 wrote:
And currently exhibit A on my list is kushm4sta. Despite the awesomely understanding acceptance of my newbie ways, we haven't seen much from him aside from jumping on the batwagon and refuting Vivax -- who, in my opinion, is making the most sense out of anyone in this entire thread, myself included. Exhibit B is Micchan, who seems strangely quiet. I hope he hasn't gone AFK.


How do you feel about obi and poofter so far?


Obi is a bit of a mystery, but is starting to look more pink to me. The fact that he was so willing to vote out bat for what was likely a provocation post makes me question his motives, but the fact that he instantly switched his view to Templar after receiving some pressure is a bit more fishy. More data is needed, but the radar is definitely reading slightly pink.

Poofter seems alright though; his posts are generally low-content, but unless we revisit the idea of missions involving post count, that's not enough for me to read him as scum.

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On September 02 2014 17:54 Oatsmaster wrote:
just saw 3d's post, calls out micchan for being quiet, doesnt call me out for not posting at all. Clearly sheeping someone's previous sentiment.


Or anticipating your mod-kill due to 12 hours without post. Welcome to the game. (And my suspect list, lol)

Care to share any opinion on Templar or mderg?


On September 04 2014 03:53 3d12 wrote:
Hey everyone, sorry for going MIA yesterday. I got dragged into a bit of a mess IRL that ended up sucking up my night. I lurked the thread on my phone when I could get service, and took down some notes:

Show nested quote +
Notes from last night:
1. The next person to suggest we ignore missions is getting full-on scumread. This topic keeps coming up, very sporadically, and it feels like a few people are trying to echo the idea across the crowd, so it's more acceptable later. Ignoring the mission concept is completely unacceptable and will only serve to hinder us. Stay vigilant for possible mission-like behaviors, everyone. I get the feeling that they would be rather out-of-the-ordinary missions, otherwise the host could have just as well run vanilla. (Sorry for the meta read there, but if anyone wants to refute that, I'm open to hear your case.)

2. Micchan is giving off a serious mafia vibe to me. Not only did his bandwagoning post seem forced ("Ok here whatever" as if he's trying to seem aloof) but the fact that his only other post yesterday was a defensive misdirection, posted only 20 minutes after he was called out. He's either really bad at this game, scum, too busy IRL to play, or any/all of the above.

3. Poofter's reads (specifically the BMK list) seem solid for the most part, but the way he posted and went after Micchan tells me something isn't right. Specifically, the way he's applying pressure to vote. The reads say town, but the pressure says mafia. Nobody on my town list so far has been pushing for a D1 lynch.

4. My posts usually do come across as apologetic. Not just here either. Blame my mother for giving birth within spitting distance of Canada. Anyone reading into that makes it on my scum list, since it looks like they're conjuring fault out of nothing.


With my personal notes out of the way, let's move on to direct responses:

Show nested quote +
On September 03 2014 05:23 The_Templar wrote:

On September 03 2014 03:07 3d12 wrote:
On September 03 2014 02:22 kitaman27 wrote:
On September 03 2014 02:21 kitaman27 wrote:
On September 02 2014 17:24 3d12 wrote:
Obi is a bit of a mystery, but is starting to look more pink to me. The fact that he was so willing to vote out bat for what was likely a provocation post makes me question his motives, but the fact that he instantly switched his view to Templar after receiving some pressure is a bit more fishy. More data is needed, but the radar is definitely reading slightly pink.


On September 02 2014 17:24 3d12 wrote:
It wasn't who he voted for, it was how he voted and why. By casting a vote in a random direction, one can sit back and observe how people react to that vote. That's not typically Mafia behavior, though I will admit the long-winded post from earlier had me confused as well. All in all, it's a tough read; but if I had to imagine myself in his position, I wouldn't imagine he'd want to make such a big target out of himself on D1 if he were Mafia.


On September 02 2014 04:43 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Reporting in.

##vote 27nb


So why doesn't your logic that gives you a town read on bat, not apply to obi? Didn't he "cast a vote in a random direction"? You say bat wouldn't want to make a big target of himself as mafia by random voting, but obi would? This seems inconsistent to me.


EBWOP


If you'd asked me this 4 hours in, I'd have read Obi as green as I did bat. His opening vote was similarly provocative, and there was little reason to suspect. Since pushing to have bat plynched though, Obi has pointed fingers at two other parties and is acting much more defensive. I'm not voting yet, but Obi is definitely on my radar.

On September 03 2014 01:38 Damdred wrote:
On September 03 2014 01:30 3d12 wrote:
On September 03 2014 01:11 Damdred wrote:
Actually 3d, why are you ignoring bunnies right now? She has said a couple times that she would be happy to get you out of the game, what do you think of that? Why did you put off commenting on it?


Not worth comment, imo. She said herself that her read on me is only a "gut read," and if people are happy with bandwagoning on a gut feeling to have me lynched, I'll happily /obs and laugh as the scum runs away with the game.


Well I can understand that. However what do you think of bunnies posts besides her gut feeling on you?


What posts? Aside from a suspicious(ly silly) read on poofter and a CTA for a vigi on bat, she hasn't contributed much to the discussion so far. If anything, if the deadline was right now and I had to cast my vote, I think 27nb would be my choice. Stepping up and trying to publicly read poofter as town based on nothing but troll posts gives me a bad feeling that there may even be a bus straight to LYLO going on under our noses.

If you think bunnies' activities make her lynchable right now you should probably explain the posts she has made...


Up until this post in the thread, bunnies' biggest contribution to the thread was to town claim for the person she's been buddying/bantering with throughout the whole thread. Suspicious? Yes. Lynchable? Not by itself.

I also particularly disliked the way bunnies was gathering information, going from defensive short-posts to prodding people for their reads and then replying to each one-by-one. Generally, townies are more willing to share their reads, instead of needing to base their perspective on other people's reads.

Today's bunnies is a bit different from yesterday's bunnies, in that she's laid out a list of her reads. No information or explanation, but at least she's sharing. I do like that.

Show nested quote +
On September 03 2014 22:14 27ninjabunnies wrote:
@3d12- you said my read on tehpoofter was silly and based on troll posts, but I think I gave a bit more reasoning than that. why is the read silly to you? What do you think of poofter so far?

Also http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/465384-mission-mini-mafia?page=17#338<--------- Town tehpoof


The read is silly because it was based entirely on meta. A person's meta can change from game to game. This read came from nothing tangible. For example, it would be impossible for me to have the same read on poof because I've never played with him. Since you and I have been exposed to the same information this game, you are using information I have not been exposed to to make a claim on someone else. That is absolutely 100% fishy, would you agree?

As for my reads on poofter, see point 3 from my "last night's notes" above, and my list of reads below.

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On September 03 2014 05:38 mderg wrote:
Anyone else thinking that 3d12 is trying hard to get some newbie bonus? I also don't like how a provocative opening instantly makes him townread people.


Anyone else thinking that mderg is trying hard to get some focus on me? I wasn't the only one to nullread/townread bat yesterday. And yes, traditionally from my live mafia experience, provocative openings are usually townies. It's probably an 80/20 split. I never confirmed him green, but I pointed out that bat looked town from the way he opened. If you have a better reason to scumread him instead, why not post your reasoning?

Show nested quote +
On September 03 2014 00:05 mderg wrote:
I don't like the batsnacks votes. They seem kinda lazy. Sure, his post didn't make any sense but that's it.


This was all the reasoning I could find in your filter, and it's pretty weak. So, how about it, mderg? Batsnacks: scum or town?


List of reads:

Mafia
ObiWanShinobi (Very non-committal so far, easily switched vote from "troll vote" to batsnacks once it seemed like bat was being scumread. Hesitant to share information. Off-topic posts. Only real redeeming quality so far is calling out kush, very pro-town move.)
mderg (Repeatedly pushing the "ignore the missions" idea, provoking reactions from players while not disclosing any information himself, heavy lurking, generally defensive)
kushm4sta (Tunnel-vision on batsnacks, trying to start a plynch, low activity otherwise)
Micchan (Inactivity, defensive, no thoughts shared, no case built, suspicious bandwagoning)

Mafia-likely (Pink)
TehPoofter (High voting pressure, starting a bandwagon/plynch, very large filter, calls people out on buddying while blatantly attempting to buddy, redeemed so far by good questioning of Templar's motives)
Oatsmaster (Avoiding all talk about missions, redirecting scum claims towards bat and Obi, not posting thoughts openly)

Neutral (White)
The_Templar (Good expression and information-sharing, challenges unnatural ideas/thoughts, sensibly pieces together a motive. Neutral because of weak (meta/defensive) defense about his role)
Vivax (Strange read on poofter, but otherwise constructs very sensible and well-put-together posts pointing out discrepancies. Without the pink vibe from his accusations toward kita and templar, would likely be very town atm.)
Damdred (No real read yet, seems to be gathering information. Is asking the right questions, but not sharing information openly)
27ninjabunnies (Good info balanced out by suspicious buddying/claiming)

Town
batsnacks (I wasn't sure at first, but after your expose on kita, I know you're looking in the right places. Your investigation is solid and you're providing direct responses to your challenges. I highly doubt kita is scum, but I like the way you think.)
kitaman27 (The main source of information so far imo, this guy is posting very good reads and keeping good notes. Only scummy behavior so far is what was pointed out by Vivax, but without further proof I'm willing to let it slide as a poor choice of words)

All in all, I don't like the idea of a plynch. However, I less like the idea of scum lurking the thread and hopping on whatever bandwagon is hot at the time. Let's change that.

##Vote: Micchan

GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
September 16 2014 17:39 GMT
#2220
Lol Vivax, I was sure you were going to try a close to deadline switch.
What you've brought from 3d regarding poof also could be regarding oats. Poof was mafia, oats town. All you're bringing is WIFOM.

You could've give reads earlier. Could've discussed with us in the last 24 hours. Yet you remained silent and is trying now, close to deadline, to convince kush I'm mafia with not enough time to properly evaluate.
You've done a good job looking town throughout the game, but it's clear you're scum now. There is no fucking sense for you being still alive as town.
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