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justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16320 Posts
August 23 2014 12:44 GMT
#1104
On August 23 2014 09:02 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2014 08:45 Hapahauli wrote:
On August 23 2014 08:44 Xatalos wrote:
rayn&Hapa, care to answer to my posts?


What post? The one about me doing stupid stuff as mafia in other games? I'd rather this discussion not go too far off the rails now.


I guess that's fair. Hmmm. Well I guess neither of you can be SK at least. "Reckless" is the last word I would associate with SK play. I'm starting to think it could even be possible for both of you to be town.

On August 23 2014 20:51 Xatalos wrote:
Not to mention that an SK exists in the game as well... Scum claiming Masons would just beg to be killed by SK. No way really.

You are talking an awful lot about this and I don't really see why a townie would do that. The things with the masons for example didn't even occur to me.
You are very active and all but almost every post you make I completely disagree with.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16320 Posts
August 23 2014 12:51 GMT
#1110
On August 23 2014 09:15 Xatalos wrote:
Well I guess you could say to that "they'd only do this as scum" but it's kind of like scum claiming Masons. Just doesn't feel realistic. Which makes the more likely option of you being scum (although Hapa kind of backed off from scumreading you).

This is bullshit. The conclusion you get makes no sense. What if they are just wrong?
On August 23 2014 09:27 Xatalos wrote:
I really just don't think useless yamato is scum yamato. Like look at this:

http://www.vendetta-strada.net/showthread.php?tid=1785&pid=119817#pid119817

He's basically lynching someone because he just dislikes him. (he also said geript was scum but the stronger motive was clearly just to kill him)

And he also goes AFK for long periods of time and gets scumread by pretty much everyone but me and rayn. Still there's clearly at least some effort to do something. Unlike in the PYP game. And like in this game.

So fucking what? I am getting tired of you defending yamato. If yamato is town he will do shit on his own and if he keeps being a useless fuck we kill him.
On August 23 2014 19:31 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2014 01:21 turtlevine wrote:
On August 22 2014 11:12 GlowingBear wrote:
Talk to me. I want people to talk to me. Talk to me now. Now.


based on this guy's attempts to pow-wow
and ideas I can't share right now
if he's scum I'd be shocked
to him I will talked
and we'll be upon this game's prow.

On August 22 2014 11:44 IAmRobik wrote:
Rayn would 100% wait up for his role and if he were town he would have posted. Hell, he might have even just stayed up and played the game. He does it all the time as town. He always finds a reason to pussy out and not post when he's mafia


I don't believe this heuristic
is town rayn always a dick?
The answer is "no"
so it just goes to show
don't listen to IAmRobik

On August 22 2014 11:47 WaveofShadow wrote:
Like sadly KSC is in for a very rude awakening if he thinks useless/non-tryhard people are scum on this forum.


WOS is correct on this front
your typical town player's a c***,
but with effort so clean,
KSC's surely green,
so if you think he's scum go get bent.

Though I must add onto this point
this post does not to WoS annoint
he's wasted some posts
on flames spam and boasts
not what I'd expect from a vet.

On August 22 2014 12:19 GlowingBear wrote:
On August 22 2014 12:10 Damdred wrote:
@Gb you said most likely to be mafia out of those posted talk to me why its him


(1)He is too aggressive page 1. Being aggressive is a town play, but being too aggressive with too little information sounds scummy to me or beginner's paranoia. I was like that when I was a newbie and I did that last game against Rayn when I was mafia. (2) his entrance is a tcontributing post which doesn't days much actually. He could be trying to look contributive while being mafia. (3) free town passes. He gave a town pass to Robik but didn't to WoS and they were in the same level of "rudeness". Tbh, those three items post on WoS were valid, but WoS is an easy target if you consider all those items already in the beginning of day 1.


Although I can see what you say
lynching KSC's the wrong play
the only good point here's 2,
and although that one's true,
his aggression and town passes are not astray

The basic mistake of a townie at first
is to put in way too much efforts
and if his ideas are crap
that's not the right strat
scum idea isn't so stupid it hurts


On August 22 2014 13:08 VayneAuthority wrote:
is this game gluten free?


Is this some kind of new crumb
or am I just being dumb?
i know not the memes
of tl mafia it seems
and I wouldn't want to miss out on the fun.

On August 22 2014 17:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
turtlevine which continent are you from?


Though it compromises my identity to say,
I'll share: I'm from the US of A
I'd rather stay cloaked
in the mystery evoked
by my smurf and my nice turns of phrase


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/465098-guilty-mini-mafia?page=11#210

Looking at Xat's odd numbered list list,
I'm starting to feel kind of pissed,
it's classic list post,
unhelpful at most,
made without a clear focused scum jist.

he starts with a question at dam,
and then there's an apology to him,
that vote post is bad,
though it makes my heart glad,
I think I've finally found scum.



So far I'm up to page twelve
it seems I'm moderately whelmed
I'll continue these thoughts
after I've finished a walk,
and deeper into thread I will delve!

##vote xatalos


Well he did think I'm scum for the listpost/vote so...... >.> But maybe he's good at using meta or something?

Are you trying to look dumb on purpose? This post makes no sense at all/is completely useless. Rayn seems to think turtle is a good player. Maybe he is right maybe he isn't - end of the story.
On August 23 2014 20:27 Xatalos wrote:
So KSC you're scumreading me because 1) I'm townreading yamato 2) pushing rayn? That's really weak... Besides I already explained to you that I didn't notice rayn's softpush on yamato earlier, or maybe I noticed it but forgot it soon after... Dunno how that makes me scum. And the Damdred thing only happened AFTER I nullread rayn so that + the yamato thing Hapa noticed made me vote.

How could you not notice it? The post in question had giant red letters in it. It was probably the most noticable post in the game at that point.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16320 Posts
August 23 2014 12:53 GMT
#1111
On August 23 2014 09:39 yamato77 wrote:
Hapa seemed relatively genuine in his posting. I don't know who I want to lynch right now. Lynching rayn is attractive but also a waste of the day at this point.

I want to revisit my read on wave later when I have time to sit at my computer

I am still waiting for this. If the short post about WoS was it I am not amused.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16320 Posts
August 23 2014 13:09 GMT
#1123
Now to some thread police stuff.

Rayn: We all get that you think Hapa is scum. I also know why you think so - you said all that often enough. My problem with this is that I am not as convinced as you that Hapa is too good for this. He came into the thread and immediately had to fight with you (I know - his own choice) which makes is hard to do anything else and by that to evaluate his play.
I will say this: If we had to lynch right now you would have my vote. If you are not town you played we well AGAIN but so be it. I am not impressed by Hapas play so far. My comparison is the shadow game where he instantly tried to figure out the game and was so towny that I hard townread him early day1. But we have still time today.
Let Hapa do what he wants. Give him a chance to prove that he is town to me (I know you think he can't) and if he doesn't I will vote him. This means you stop constantly calling him mafia and don't disrupt him should he try to to something. If you see something new that is scummy feel free to point it out though. I would also really appreciate it if you would NOT limit yourself to this Hapa stuff today.

Hapa: If you are town and don't think rayn is scum anymore you will ignore him and figure out this game. You have like 12 hours to convince me that you are town.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16320 Posts
August 23 2014 13:19 GMT
#1129
On August 23 2014 22:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
JAT:
I am not voting for anyone else until Hapa dies.
Xatalos is also mafia.
80% sure Onegu is also mafia.

People who can read me do not misread me in this game. They just don't.

I also have a bar night tonight so i can't be online @ the deadline.
It doesn't really matter because i already found scum. If you do not believe me not voting mafia is on you guys.. I have said everything that needs to be said.

I am not telling you not to vote Hapa. Xatalos... the thing that stops me here is how huge his filter is and I don't know if he would really post all the dumb stuff he posted as mafia.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16320 Posts
August 23 2014 13:27 GMT
#1135
I will return in a few hours. I would really appreciate people like Hapa, yamato and WoS to post more if they are town. Also Robik. Almost forgot this guy is in the game.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16320 Posts
August 23 2014 13:28 GMT
#1136
On August 23 2014 22:26 Onegu wrote:
Also Kempachi rule

So GB is scum? Try again.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16320 Posts
August 23 2014 13:29 GMT
#1137
On August 23 2014 22:27 justanothertownie wrote:
I will return in a few hours. I would really appreciate people like Hapa, yamato and WoS to post more if they are town. Also Robik. Almost forgot this guy is in the game.

And the turtle... everyone besides rayn really.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16320 Posts
August 23 2014 13:30 GMT
#1139
On August 23 2014 22:29 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2014 22:28 justanothertownie wrote:
On August 23 2014 22:26 Onegu wrote:
Also Kempachi rule

So GB is scum? Try again.



Dunno even know why people have him confirmed...

Because he and the turtle claimed masons that are confirmed town to each other. Doesn't make much sense to claim as mafia, does it?
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16320 Posts
August 23 2014 13:35 GMT
#1142
On August 23 2014 22:34 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2014 22:30 justanothertownie wrote:
On August 23 2014 22:29 Onegu wrote:
On August 23 2014 22:28 justanothertownie wrote:
On August 23 2014 22:26 Onegu wrote:
Also Kempachi rule

So GB is scum? Try again.



Dunno even know why people have him confirmed...

Because he and the turtle claimed masons that are confirmed town to each other. Doesn't make much sense to claim as mafia, does it?



How does that make anysense whatsoever? Seems like a sweet claim if Im mafia. And eveyone just believed them, in a closed setup?

Are you scum? How can you not see that this is never a winning play as mafia.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16320 Posts
August 23 2014 13:36 GMT
#1144
Read how it happened. It makes some sense as town. It would be the stupidest claim ever as mafia.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16320 Posts
August 23 2014 13:37 GMT
#1145
Anyways I am out for now.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16320 Posts
August 23 2014 16:58 GMT
#1227
On August 23 2014 23:10 IAmRobik wrote:
I find myself agreeing with JAT a lot

That's a good thing. But also a useless statement if you don't even say what it is you are agreeing with.
On August 23 2014 23:15 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2014 22:36 Xatalos wrote:
On August 23 2014 22:34 Onegu wrote:
On August 23 2014 22:30 justanothertownie wrote:
On August 23 2014 22:29 Onegu wrote:
On August 23 2014 22:28 justanothertownie wrote:
On August 23 2014 22:26 Onegu wrote:
Also Kempachi rule

So GB is scum? Try again.



Dunno even know why people have him confirmed...

Because he and the turtle claimed masons that are confirmed town to each other. Doesn't make much sense to claim as mafia, does it?



How does that make anysense whatsoever? Seems like a sweet claim if Im mafia. And eveyone just believed them, in a closed setup?


Think about it a little though. It's almost impossible that they would both survive until LYLO (SK bullets, blue powers etc. could easily reveal one of them and then the other one is 100% dead as well) and even if they did, they'd be pretty much auto-lynch at LYLO.



Yes this is true if both are mafia, but how is it impossible that is one town and one scum, unless both of them are saying in thier PM that they are confirmed masoned with another town.

On August 23 2014 23:27 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2014 23:24 Damdred wrote:
They already answered that if you had read the thread instead of trying to just filter dive rayn you would know tgis



Then just tell me. Jeez is it hard?

1) Are you not able to read or something? I literally said they are confirmed to each other in this very chain of quotes.
2) Fucking read the thread and THEN continue posting.
On August 23 2014 23:43 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2014 23:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am not talking to scum anymore today.
I have to leave in ~1h so if anyone who is colored green wants to ask something go ahead.
Blame Koshi for this.


Which smart things is Robik saying? I only see "lol shut up I'm town"

Good question.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16320 Posts
August 23 2014 17:01 GMT
#1232
On August 23 2014 23:47 Xatalos wrote:
Yeah that's pretty much the worst / most incorrect possible reason to scumread Damdred. Actually even during the big spamfest he only posted original stuff and didn't sheep anything... That's just an unacceptable reason rayn.

On August 24 2014 00:09 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2014 23:53 KelsierSC wrote:
On August 23 2014 23:10 Xatalos wrote:
On August 23 2014 22:54 KelsierSC wrote:
On August 23 2014 21:47 Xatalos wrote:
On August 23 2014 21:18 KelsierSC wrote:
On August 23 2014 20:55 Xatalos wrote:
On August 23 2014 20:54 KelsierSC wrote:
On August 23 2014 20:27 Xatalos wrote:
So KSC you're scumreading me because 1) I'm townreading yamato 2) pushing rayn? That's really weak... Besides I already explained to you that I didn't notice rayn's softpush on yamato earlier, or maybe I noticed it but forgot it soon after... Dunno how that makes me scum. And the Damdred thing only happened AFTER I nullread rayn so that + the yamato thing Hapa noticed made me vote.


It is more than that though and you trying to simplify it to make it look weak is really fucking scummy


Well I already completely destroyed your earlier "case" and that's what was left of it on your most recent post about me.


Completely destroyed? This never happened at all. You gave some non sensical posts about "forgetting to push" let's be real.



With one of your arguments being factually false, one of them being a nulltell rather than scumtell, and the others actually being towntells (for me, not in general), I think it's pretty destroyed.


This fallacy that you destroyed my argument is completely ridiculous.

1) The older points that you are scum still exist. You had a terrible first list post I didn't like any of your reads, to me that means you are not reading the game correctly that makes you scum to me and a good lynch. I didn't like your weird Dam interactions and also you had a bunch of null reads with everyone either "maybe town could be scum" like it is just non commital gibberish.

2) The main sticking point is when Hapa came out with his read, you had called rayn maybe town, but then as soon as hapa came out you jumped on it and you sheeped all his reasons. ESPECIALLY the "attack" on yamato which apparently hadn't noticed.

3) You then gave a bunch of shitty reasons why yam is town a lot of them were just factually incorrect about how he is giving his reads and seems up for this game which just isn't true, like yam is really scummy to me and you having the same read as him and reading him town is really scummy.

4) This is just my personal opinion here but you seem to be trying to make a lot of posts to seem town but a lot of them are just nothing. Like "where is robik, this is weird" It gives the impression you are trying to figure things out but it is just a lot of garbage trying to throw suspicon.

5
ll of my reads besides the Masons are now -1, 0, 1 or 2 points


This is what bugs me, you are really happy to sheep any read you get but you have none of those people as your town.


1) Actually wrong reads (especially very early, initial reads) come more often from town. As scum you have perfect information so it's easy to make your reads somewhat believable. I always craft my reads carefully as scum to be as believable and focused as possible. So I don't really see your point here even if you're somehow right about everything and I'm wrong about everything (no way). The Damdred vote was just something to start the day with, nothing that serious. Btw my notes were my real-time thoughts as I read the thread and nothing like a case or anything. Hard to be immediately 100% sure early on as you read stuff.

2) False. I never called rayn town or even "maybe town". At best null. What you're exaggerating is when I said that "I could see the town motivation behind making that stunt". That's not even any longer the case since clearly there was none - he immediately abandoned the whole idea since my notes matched with my play and there was nothing to push me with.

3) Just stupid. Experienced scum players NEVER, I repeat NEVER do stuff like hard-defend each other and push stuff together. It's about the same as claiming Masons together. This is what gets newb scumteams killed.

4) Go read Arnie Got a Gun Mafia if you think fluff posts indicate scum Xatalos.

5) +2 towny is already somewhat town. And if the argument is good, it's not like I have to 100% townread the one who presented it.


Explain why you townread yamato though your reasons dont make sense

why were you so happy to sheep hapas read

i dont really need to read other games, it isnt hard to mimic your town play if your town play is to have no reads what so ever.


Again, he's absolutely useless and unmotivated as scum. He doesn't show emotion. That's from my experience. I don't like how he's lurking so much and avoiding hot topics of discussion though, plus Hapa made some decent points about how he doesn't have real confidence in his reads and how he leaves the thread at crucial points. So currently he's only +1 and he will drop further if his lurking behavior continues.

I've been concerned about rayn all game and I've never thought he's town, something I've ALWAYS concluded at some point during D1 if he's town. However, I didn't want to lynch him based on a gut feeling because 1) he'd be an NK magnet as town 2) he could become a real asset as town at some point. Then he did a really shady push on Damdred where I really doubt he even believed in it himself (all his arguments were just wrong / misinterpreted). I was really wavering on believing he could possibly be town. Just then Hapa came out with an additional point pointing to scum rayn and I decided that I'd rather lynch probable scum rather than flip a coin (on yamato who had barely posted at that point, and actually yamato returned to the thread around then as well while showing some of his towny traits - emotion, constantly posting stuff etc.). So that's why.

I'd hardly say I have "no reads whatsoever" when I townread you and scumread rayn. My other reads are still under evaluation. Onegu is probably town too though because he instantly focused on figuring out the game when he started posting earlier. As scum he's pretty... unfocused.

Oh god.... can you actually start taking a stance on ANYTHING?
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16320 Posts
August 23 2014 17:03 GMT
#1238
On August 24 2014 00:19 IAmRobik wrote:
Wait, what?!?! Why aren't hapa and Yamato voting for rayn. They're sooooooo fucking convinced he's scum. Did something change since pg 40?

Just stop posting useless filler like this and catch up. Seriously.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16320 Posts
August 23 2014 17:04 GMT
#1239
On August 24 2014 02:03 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2014 01:58 justanothertownie wrote:
On August 23 2014 23:10 IAmRobik wrote:
I find myself agreeing with JAT a lot

That's a good thing. But also a useless statement if you don't even say what it is you are agreeing with.
On August 23 2014 23:15 Onegu wrote:
On August 23 2014 22:36 Xatalos wrote:
On August 23 2014 22:34 Onegu wrote:
On August 23 2014 22:30 justanothertownie wrote:
On August 23 2014 22:29 Onegu wrote:
On August 23 2014 22:28 justanothertownie wrote:
On August 23 2014 22:26 Onegu wrote:
Also Kempachi rule

So GB is scum? Try again.



Dunno even know why people have him confirmed...

Because he and the turtle claimed masons that are confirmed town to each other. Doesn't make much sense to claim as mafia, does it?



How does that make anysense whatsoever? Seems like a sweet claim if Im mafia. And eveyone just believed them, in a closed setup?


Think about it a little though. It's almost impossible that they would both survive until LYLO (SK bullets, blue powers etc. could easily reveal one of them and then the other one is 100% dead as well) and even if they did, they'd be pretty much auto-lynch at LYLO.



Yes this is true if both are mafia, but how is it impossible that is one town and one scum, unless both of them are saying in thier PM that they are confirmed masoned with another town.

On August 23 2014 23:27 Onegu wrote:
On August 23 2014 23:24 Damdred wrote:
They already answered that if you had read the thread instead of trying to just filter dive rayn you would know tgis



Then just tell me. Jeez is it hard?

1) Are you not able to read or something? I literally said they are confirmed to each other in this very chain of quotes.
2) Fucking read the thread and THEN continue posting.
On August 23 2014 23:43 GlowingBear wrote:
On August 23 2014 23:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am not talking to scum anymore today.
I have to leave in ~1h so if anyone who is colored green wants to ask something go ahead.
Blame Koshi for this.


Which smart things is Robik saying? I only see "lol shut up I'm town"

Good question.

lol so reminiscent of scumJAT catchups from last game.

Yeah, only problem is that I also do that in every single towngame.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16320 Posts
August 23 2014 17:09 GMT
#1245
On August 24 2014 02:07 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2014 02:05 KelsierSC wrote:
On August 24 2014 02:02 WaveofShadow wrote:
On August 24 2014 02:00 KelsierSC wrote:
Also it isn't just they have the same read but it is the style of the read.

so for example. I like you because you have the same read on yamata but also you offer some insight into why you have the read and it didn't feel like you were sheeping anyone else so it felt towny to me.

What do you consider sheeping?
Is it something town or scum do?
When and why?


Sheeping is what I think Yam and Xat did with the Hapa read because they didn't really add anything to the original points and just hopped on a bw.

It feels scummy to me.

They do it if they want to push a ML.


Alright, say you're town and have no strong reads at the end of the day. You have a near-confirmed-but-not-quite townie on your team. How do you vote?

It is nice that you are lecturing him but is this supposed to lead anywhere?
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16320 Posts
August 23 2014 17:11 GMT
#1247
On August 24 2014 02:10 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2014 02:09 justanothertownie wrote:
On August 24 2014 02:07 WaveofShadow wrote:
On August 24 2014 02:05 KelsierSC wrote:
On August 24 2014 02:02 WaveofShadow wrote:
On August 24 2014 02:00 KelsierSC wrote:
Also it isn't just they have the same read but it is the style of the read.

so for example. I like you because you have the same read on yamata but also you offer some insight into why you have the read and it didn't feel like you were sheeping anyone else so it felt towny to me.

What do you consider sheeping?
Is it something town or scum do?
When and why?


Sheeping is what I think Yam and Xat did with the Hapa read because they didn't really add anything to the original points and just hopped on a bw.

It feels scummy to me.

They do it if they want to push a ML.


Alright, say you're town and have no strong reads at the end of the day. You have a near-confirmed-but-not-quite townie on your team. How do you vote?

It is nice that you are lecturing him but is this supposed to lead anywhere?

Of course. I'm cementing my handle on his play.
JAT who are you voting today?

That's a decision I won't make right now. I want to hear from Hapa first.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16320 Posts
August 23 2014 17:14 GMT
#1250
On August 24 2014 02:12 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2014 02:11 justanothertownie wrote:
On August 24 2014 02:10 WaveofShadow wrote:
On August 24 2014 02:09 justanothertownie wrote:
On August 24 2014 02:07 WaveofShadow wrote:
On August 24 2014 02:05 KelsierSC wrote:
On August 24 2014 02:02 WaveofShadow wrote:
On August 24 2014 02:00 KelsierSC wrote:
Also it isn't just they have the same read but it is the style of the read.

so for example. I like you because you have the same read on yamata but also you offer some insight into why you have the read and it didn't feel like you were sheeping anyone else so it felt towny to me.

What do you consider sheeping?
Is it something town or scum do?
When and why?


Sheeping is what I think Yam and Xat did with the Hapa read because they didn't really add anything to the original points and just hopped on a bw.

It feels scummy to me.

They do it if they want to push a ML.


Alright, say you're town and have no strong reads at the end of the day. You have a near-confirmed-but-not-quite townie on your team. How do you vote?

It is nice that you are lecturing him but is this supposed to lead anywhere?

Of course. I'm cementing my handle on his play.
JAT who are you voting today?

That's a decision I won't make right now. I want to hear from Hapa first.

So you are leaning towards Hapa?

I am leaning towards nothing right now. Yamato could be a decent lynch. Maybe Xatalos. You aren't off the table either,
justanothertownie
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Xatalos, what about Onegus entrance was good?
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