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On August 23 2014 05:12 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2014 05:04 justanothertownie wrote:On August 23 2014 05:02 Hapahauli wrote:On August 23 2014 04:57 justanothertownie wrote:On August 23 2014 04:55 Hapahauli wrote:On August 23 2014 04:53 justanothertownie wrote:On August 23 2014 04:50 Hapahauli wrote:Buckle up boys. ##Vote RaynpelikoneetHis play has been remarkably unmemorable and unfocused. After I read this game the first time through a few hours ago, I couldn't remember anything that he had posted... unheard of for a town Rayn. As for the unfocused, this is the best example: On August 22 2014 23:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why is noone calling yamato mafia? On August 22 2014 23:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 22 2014 16:48 yamato77 wrote:
rayn let's solve the game What he said after that didn't really look like "YAY LET'S SOLVE THE GAME RIGHT HERE!"....... This is the scummiest thing I've seen in the thread. He just throws out "why is no one calling yamato mafia?" in the middle of a discussion, and drops some suspicion. What's notable about this is that - His wording. It's not "I am suspicious of yamato" or something of the sort, it more "why aren't YOU GUYS suspicious of yamato"... which is an incredibly suspicious way of phrasing things. It's as if he wants other people to become suspicious of yamato as opposed to being suspicious himself and pushing a case.
- He never calls yamato mafia in these two posts, or in any of his filter. He calls yamato's behavior "wierd" once, and that's it.
- He doesn't really follow up on any of the yamato stuff. He just mentions it, and immediately goes to the next topic...
On August 22 2014 23:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Maybe GlowingBear is mafia because his posts are quite weird and do not follow any sort of logic.
I gotta reread him tonight. tl;drRayn's play lacks a focus that I'd expect from a town Rayn. And this yamato stuff is icing on the cake - he just sort of throws out suspicions hoping someone will bite, and when no one did, he didn't follow up on it at all. Ok. Opinions on the other players? Howabout you talk about my case and your thoughts on Rayn? Town's goal is to find mafia and lynch them, not extrapolate wildly about "semi-town reads" and whatnot. Town's goal is also to identify the other townies as town and I can't get a read on you if you only comment on one specific thing. I agree that it is weird how rayn dropped the yamato issue but on the other hand what is he supposed to do as long as yamato is absent? I care less that he dropped the Yamato issue and more about the timing and wording of how he brought it up. On August 22 2014 23:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why is noone calling yamato mafia? This quote makes no sense from a town perspective. As a townie, why would you be concerned about who else is calling yamato mafia if it's not even clear that you are suspicious of him? I think that post indicates that rayn is suspicious of him pretty heavily?! Nonsense. "I think <x> player is suspicious for <y> reasons" is a town train of thought. If you read that quote, he's not saying that at all. He's asking OTHERS if they're suspicious of yamato. And the context of the quote doesn't do Rayn many favors. Consider how quickly he changed topics. He made two posts on Yamato, then promply about-faced to talk about pretty irrelevant topics. Start here in his filter... http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/465098-guilty-mini-mafia?page=20#390...where he immediately starts talking about Xatalos, Wave, then Damdred, then finally settles on GlowingBear 4 posts later, This is not pushing suspicions - this is throwing around shit until it sticks somewhere. Hell, not once in his filter does he call yamato mafia, or even suspicious. This is the closest Rayn gets to calling Yamato mafia: Show nested quote +On August 22 2014 23:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 22 2014 23:52 KelsierSC wrote:On August 22 2014 23:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 22 2014 23:48 KelsierSC wrote:On August 22 2014 23:42 Damdred wrote:On August 22 2014 23:32 KelsierSC wrote:On August 22 2014 23:30 justanothertownie wrote:On August 22 2014 23:26 KelsierSC wrote:On August 22 2014 23:18 justanothertownie wrote:
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Why wouldn't a mafia say this? There is no reason to say it, you can just give the read and cast a bigger aspersion if you don't preface it. He also felt town in his interactions, kind of chilled and relaxed. So I have multiple reasons to give him a town pass I kind of feel like GB has had a weak game since coming back and the awkward intro, like giving a "you gave your mafia partner a +4" like maybe that was a joke but I don't think anyone would truly believe that a mafia makes his partner top town right at the start of d1. I gave him an early town pass but I really don't like his play so far. I hate to break it to you but mafia often avoids giving concrete reads on people. Yep I understand that idea but his interactions felt genuine to me. Curious why you think this, all of yamatos stuff at this point is one or two lines and theres no real analysis So he seemed relaxed made a few jokes about the poem, solving the game etc. Had a good town vibe. Then he said "I can't read WoS that well" but then "he seemed to be shit posting and complaining about derailing, whilst derailing" something like that. Now to me that is pretty town, obviously some people disagree but it feels town enough for a d1 pass. Yamato is not the lynch for me today besides wave is guilty of the same thing kel is guilty of. Is that strong enough to really put into town pile and give a free pass today for you? can you explain that in more detail I don't understand you. If me or Hapa says "lynch yamato" you will lynch yamato and not secondguess it for a second. ok? What is a Hapa? You are town for me so I would trust your reads, if Yam posts a bit more maybe I can reevaluate but for me he is town so far. Hapahauli - a player in this game. yamato is really easy to read because he cannot mirror his townplay as scum. I thought he was town early on because i saw stuff that reminds me of his townplay but then he asked me to solve the game with him and did jack shit after that.It is weird. I still think the questions itself implies a scumread on yamato but I admit that he changed the subject rather quickly. "Weird." Just weird.
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On August 23 2014 05:12 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2014 05:08 Xatalos wrote:
I feel the urge to /sheep Hapa because he understands my meta and brought a good point about rayn. But it's my policy not to lynch heavyweight players on D1 :/ Gah maybe this is too much to turn a blind eye on though. Ok here is my major problem Xatalos Firstly you didn't really scum read rayn at all you said he was null and a lot of it was waffle about him being awake. In fact then you go on to give him a little town plug. Show nested quote +On August 23 2014 03:54 Xatalos wrote:
I can kind of see rayn's town motivation in this though because I slipped hard in Intrigue as scum by contradicting myself between various PM's / thread posts. But then Hapa gives his read that rayn is mafia. Which you immediately jump on saying how it is "possible". Considering this is the first thing Hapa said and he has lurked all game you are ready to just flip on it. I really don't like that at all. As far as the read Hapa gave, I disagree I think rayn is town. I am still undecided on Hapa
Well my major problems with rayn (points 1 & 2) happened / came to my understanding only after I made that post where I said that I could see the townie mindset in making me do that.
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On August 23 2014 05:12 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2014 05:04 justanothertownie wrote:On August 23 2014 05:02 Hapahauli wrote:On August 23 2014 04:57 justanothertownie wrote:On August 23 2014 04:55 Hapahauli wrote:On August 23 2014 04:53 justanothertownie wrote:On August 23 2014 04:50 Hapahauli wrote:Buckle up boys. ##Vote RaynpelikoneetHis play has been remarkably unmemorable and unfocused. After I read this game the first time through a few hours ago, I couldn't remember anything that he had posted... unheard of for a town Rayn. As for the unfocused, this is the best example: On August 22 2014 23:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why is noone calling yamato mafia? On August 22 2014 23:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 22 2014 16:48 yamato77 wrote:
rayn let's solve the game What he said after that didn't really look like "YAY LET'S SOLVE THE GAME RIGHT HERE!"....... This is the scummiest thing I've seen in the thread. He just throws out "why is no one calling yamato mafia?" in the middle of a discussion, and drops some suspicion. What's notable about this is that - His wording. It's not "I am suspicious of yamato" or something of the sort, it more "why aren't YOU GUYS suspicious of yamato"... which is an incredibly suspicious way of phrasing things. It's as if he wants other people to become suspicious of yamato as opposed to being suspicious himself and pushing a case.
- He never calls yamato mafia in these two posts, or in any of his filter. He calls yamato's behavior "wierd" once, and that's it.
- He doesn't really follow up on any of the yamato stuff. He just mentions it, and immediately goes to the next topic...
On August 22 2014 23:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Maybe GlowingBear is mafia because his posts are quite weird and do not follow any sort of logic.
I gotta reread him tonight. tl;drRayn's play lacks a focus that I'd expect from a town Rayn. And this yamato stuff is icing on the cake - he just sort of throws out suspicions hoping someone will bite, and when no one did, he didn't follow up on it at all. Ok. Opinions on the other players? Howabout you talk about my case and your thoughts on Rayn? Town's goal is to find mafia and lynch them, not extrapolate wildly about "semi-town reads" and whatnot. Town's goal is also to identify the other townies as town and I can't get a read on you if you only comment on one specific thing. I agree that it is weird how rayn dropped the yamato issue but on the other hand what is he supposed to do as long as yamato is absent? I care less that he dropped the Yamato issue and more about the timing and wording of how he brought it up. On August 22 2014 23:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why is noone calling yamato mafia? This quote makes no sense from a town perspective. As a townie, why would you be concerned about who else is calling yamato mafia if it's not even clear that you are suspicious of him? I think that post indicates that rayn is suspicious of him pretty heavily?! Nonsense. "I think <x> player is suspicious for <y> reasons" is a town train of thought. If you read that quote, he's not saying that at all. He's asking OTHERS if they're suspicious of yamato. And the context of the quote doesn't do Rayn many favors. Consider how quickly he changed topics. He made two posts on Yamato, then promply about-faced to talk about pretty irrelevant topics. Start here in his filter... http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/465098-guilty-mini-mafia?page=20#390...where he immediately starts talking about Xatalos, Wave, then Damdred, then finally settles on GlowingBear 4 posts later, This is not pushing suspicions - this is throwing around shit until it sticks somewhere. Hell, not once in his filter does he call yamato mafia, or even suspicious. This is the closest Rayn gets to calling Yamato mafia: Show nested quote +On August 22 2014 23:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 22 2014 23:52 KelsierSC wrote:On August 22 2014 23:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 22 2014 23:48 KelsierSC wrote:On August 22 2014 23:42 Damdred wrote:On August 22 2014 23:32 KelsierSC wrote:On August 22 2014 23:30 justanothertownie wrote:On August 22 2014 23:26 KelsierSC wrote:On August 22 2014 23:18 justanothertownie wrote:
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Why wouldn't a mafia say this? There is no reason to say it, you can just give the read and cast a bigger aspersion if you don't preface it. He also felt town in his interactions, kind of chilled and relaxed. So I have multiple reasons to give him a town pass I kind of feel like GB has had a weak game since coming back and the awkward intro, like giving a "you gave your mafia partner a +4" like maybe that was a joke but I don't think anyone would truly believe that a mafia makes his partner top town right at the start of d1. I gave him an early town pass but I really don't like his play so far. I hate to break it to you but mafia often avoids giving concrete reads on people. Yep I understand that idea but his interactions felt genuine to me. Curious why you think this, all of yamatos stuff at this point is one or two lines and theres no real analysis So he seemed relaxed made a few jokes about the poem, solving the game etc. Had a good town vibe. Then he said "I can't read WoS that well" but then "he seemed to be shit posting and complaining about derailing, whilst derailing" something like that. Now to me that is pretty town, obviously some people disagree but it feels town enough for a d1 pass. Yamato is not the lynch for me today besides wave is guilty of the same thing kel is guilty of. Is that strong enough to really put into town pile and give a free pass today for you? can you explain that in more detail I don't understand you. If me or Hapa says "lynch yamato" you will lynch yamato and not secondguess it for a second. ok? What is a Hapa? You are town for me so I would trust your reads, if Yam posts a bit more maybe I can reevaluate but for me he is town so far. Hapahauli - a player in this game. yamato is really easy to read because he cannot mirror his townplay as scum. I thought he was town early on because i saw stuff that reminds me of his townplay but then he asked me to solve the game with him and did jack shit after that.It is weird. "Weird." Just weird.
I still think the questions itself implies a scumread on yamato but I admit that he changed the subject rather quickly.
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On August 23 2014 05:13 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2014 05:11 Xatalos wrote:On August 23 2014 05:01 Xatalos wrote:
Well, rayn being scum would fit though. Things like:
1) Softpushing yamato and then forgetting about it
2) Scumreading Damdred for stuff that's out of context or even blatantly false
3) Pushing me with "certainty" based on almost nothing D1 just like in Titanic as scum (granted he did something a bit similar in another game as town too) Hm. There were exactly 2 moments in this game I was reminded of scumrayn so far. The tools thing and how he went after damdred earlier (-> reminded me of his push on ggtemplar in foundation). We will see how this goes when he returns.
I don't really think the MafiaTools stunt was scummy at all. In fact it ended up helping clear my name a bit and also made others understand my thought processes a bit better. What I mostly have problems with are 1 & 2.
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On August 23 2014 05:17 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2014 05:13 justanothertownie wrote:On August 23 2014 05:11 Xatalos wrote:On August 23 2014 05:01 Xatalos wrote:
Well, rayn being scum would fit though. Things like:
1) Softpushing yamato and then forgetting about it
2) Scumreading Damdred for stuff that's out of context or even blatantly false
3) Pushing me with "certainty" based on almost nothing D1 just like in Titanic as scum (granted he did something a bit similar in another game as town too) Hm. There were exactly 2 moments in this game I was reminded of scumrayn so far. The tools thing and how he went after damdred earlier (-> reminded me of his push on ggtemplar in foundation). We will see how this goes when he returns. I don't really think the MafiaTools stunt was scummy at all. In fact it ended up helping clear my name a bit and also made others understand my thought processes a bit better. What I mostly have problems with are 1 & 2.
It does not look scummy but it still reminded me. If you ask yourself why look at TL Noir.
Did you talk with him beforehand about it and did you tell him you would do this kind of stuff this game?
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So I wasn't here for the mafia tools stunt, it doesn't clear you for me. In fact it feeds into my scum read of you.
I'm going to give my reasons here.
1) The initial list was just bad, you had some weird reads on rayn for being asleep and you had WoS as top town. It just didn't line up for me.
2) you voted and kind of went on dam when I read him town, you then unvoted him but now think he is mafia again.
3) You then went about "finding" who to lynch and you put a town list of me and 2 basically confirmed, everyone else was a maybe. Like you gave no real reads and just seemed wishy washy
4) Your mafia notes confirmed this. Everyone has a score close to 0. Everyone could be scum or not sure if town like there is nothing of value at all. you have GB at an 8, good the confirmed town is probably town.
5) The pressure is on you and you jump onto this rayn is mafia thing that Hapu brought up even though he has lurked and done nothing.
So TLDR
Your reads don't line up with my reads. People I view as town view you scummy, Your reads are wishy washy and don't have a lot of substance. You jump on a mafia read from someone who has like 2 posts this game.
##Vote Xatalos
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I just arrived in NY for the Oddball Comedy Festival. Caught up to pg31. Will rejoin the game tomorrow at work. Love you all. And don't forget the most important rule:
Robik is town
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On August 23 2014 05:31 KelsierSC wrote:
Your reads don't line up with my reads. People I view as town view you scummy, Your reads are wishy washy and don't have a lot of substance. You jump on a mafia read from someone who has like 2 posts this game.
For example?
I get that the tools thing does not confirm xatalos as town but I really don't get why you think it makes him scum. No shit most people are nullish there - he just said in thread earlier that he has trouble finding scum.
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On August 23 2014 05:31 KelsierSC wrote:
So I wasn't here for the mafia tools stunt, it doesn't clear you for me. In fact it feeds into my scum read of you.
I'm going to give my reasons here.
1) The initial list was just bad, you had some weird reads on rayn for being asleep and you had WoS as top town. It just didn't line up for me.
2) you voted and kind of went on dam when I read him town, you then unvoted him but now think he is mafia again.
3) You then went about "finding" who to lynch and you put a town list of me and 2 basically confirmed, everyone else was a maybe. Like you gave no real reads and just seemed wishy washy
4) Your mafia notes confirmed this. Everyone has a score close to 0. Everyone could be scum or not sure if town like there is nothing of value at all. you have GB at an 8, good the confirmed town is probably town.
5) The pressure is on you and you jump onto this rayn is mafia thing that Hapu brought up even though he has lurked and done nothing.
So TLDR
Your reads don't line up with my reads. People I view as town view you scummy, Your reads are wishy washy and don't have a lot of substance. You jump on a mafia read from someone who has like 2 posts this game.
##Vote Xatalos
Why are you fibbing on xat
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Why would a scummer make the effort of faking notes and then only come up with null reads?
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On August 23 2014 05:39 justanothertownie wrote:
Why would a scummer make the effort of faking notes and then only come up with null reads?
So My issue is that the mafia notes is just a page of waffle and nothingness to me that is indicative of mafia, I think if you are town you should have a scum read by now. or at least more substantiation than he had.
as for why would they fake notes, I don't know what you mean by fake but like it isn't difficult to maintain a page of notes so when things look bad you can copy/paste and go "look i am town!"
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On August 23 2014 05:48 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2014 05:39 justanothertownie wrote:
Why would a scummer make the effort of faking notes and then only come up with null reads? So My issue is that the mafia notes is just a page of waffle and nothingness to me that is indicative of mafia, I think if you are town you should have a scum read by now. or at least more substantiation than he had. as for why would they fake notes, I don't know what you mean by fake but like it isn't difficult to maintain a page of notes so when things look bad you can copy/paste and go "look i am town!"
So do you think xatalos and rayn are scum together or how does that make sense?
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On August 23 2014 05:50 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2014 05:48 KelsierSC wrote:On August 23 2014 05:39 justanothertownie wrote:
Why would a scummer make the effort of faking notes and then only come up with null reads? So My issue is that the mafia notes is just a page of waffle and nothingness to me that is indicative of mafia, I think if you are town you should have a scum read by now. or at least more substantiation than he had. as for why would they fake notes, I don't know what you mean by fake but like it isn't difficult to maintain a page of notes so when things look bad you can copy/paste and go "look i am town!" So do you think xatalos and rayn are scum together or how does that make sense?
what the fuck when did I ever say that
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I don't understand hapa's entrance. its meant to make a big splash so to speak even in the word choice. But in the end its just covering up an awful case on a player that we aren't going to lynch day 1. What is your gameplan here?
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On August 23 2014 05:53 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2014 05:50 justanothertownie wrote:On August 23 2014 05:48 KelsierSC wrote:On August 23 2014 05:39 justanothertownie wrote:
Why would a scummer make the effort of faking notes and then only come up with null reads? So My issue is that the mafia notes is just a page of waffle and nothingness to me that is indicative of mafia, I think if you are town you should have a scum read by now. or at least more substantiation than he had. as for why would they fake notes, I don't know what you mean by fake but like it isn't difficult to maintain a page of notes so when things look bad you can copy/paste and go "look i am town!" So do you think xatalos and rayn are scum together or how does that make sense? what the fuck when did I ever say that
I never said you did. But to me it doesn't really make sense otherwise. Whatver I am not lynching the guy with the biggest filter.
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On August 23 2014 05:55 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2014 05:53 KelsierSC wrote:On August 23 2014 05:50 justanothertownie wrote:On August 23 2014 05:48 KelsierSC wrote:On August 23 2014 05:39 justanothertownie wrote:
Why would a scummer make the effort of faking notes and then only come up with null reads? So My issue is that the mafia notes is just a page of waffle and nothingness to me that is indicative of mafia, I think if you are town you should have a scum read by now. or at least more substantiation than he had. as for why would they fake notes, I don't know what you mean by fake but like it isn't difficult to maintain a page of notes so when things look bad you can copy/paste and go "look i am town!" So do you think xatalos and rayn are scum together or how does that make sense? what the fuck when did I ever say that I never said you did. But to me it doesn't really make sense otherwise. Whatver I am not lynching the guy with the biggest filter.
So the only world where things make sense is that Xan is scum is if rayn is also scum?
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On August 23 2014 04:50 Hapahauli wrote:Buckle up boys. ##Vote RaynpelikoneetHis play has been remarkably unmemorable and unfocused. After I read this game the first time through a few hours ago, I couldn't remember anything that he had posted... unheard of for a town Rayn. As for the unfocused, this is the best example: Show nested quote +On August 22 2014 23:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why is noone calling yamato mafia? Show nested quote +On August 22 2014 23:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 22 2014 16:48 yamato77 wrote:
rayn let's solve the game What he said after that didn't really look like "YAY LET'S SOLVE THE GAME RIGHT HERE!"....... This is the scummiest thing I've seen in the thread. He just throws out "why is no one calling yamato mafia?" in the middle of a discussion, and drops some suspicion. What's notable about this is that - His wording. It's not "I am suspicious of yamato" or something of the sort, it more "why aren't YOU GUYS suspicious of yamato"... which is an incredibly suspicious way of phrasing things. It's as if he wants other people to become suspicious of yamato as opposed to being suspicious himself and pushing a case.
- He never calls yamato mafia in these two posts, or in any of his filter. He calls yamato's behavior "wierd" once, and that's it.
- He doesn't really follow up on any of the yamato stuff. He just mentions it, and immediately goes to the next topic...
Show nested quote +On August 22 2014 23:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Maybe GlowingBear is mafia because his posts are quite weird and do not follow any sort of logic.
I gotta reread him tonight. tl;drRayn's play lacks a focus that I'd expect from a town Rayn. And this yamato stuff is icing on the cake - he just sort of throws out suspicions hoping someone will bite, and when no one did, he didn't follow up on it at all.
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On August 23 2014 05:56 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2014 05:55 justanothertownie wrote:On August 23 2014 05:53 KelsierSC wrote:On August 23 2014 05:50 justanothertownie wrote:On August 23 2014 05:48 KelsierSC wrote:On August 23 2014 05:39 justanothertownie wrote:
Why would a scummer make the effort of faking notes and then only come up with null reads? So My issue is that the mafia notes is just a page of waffle and nothingness to me that is indicative of mafia, I think if you are town you should have a scum read by now. or at least more substantiation than he had. as for why would they fake notes, I don't know what you mean by fake but like it isn't difficult to maintain a page of notes so when things look bad you can copy/paste and go "look i am town!" So do you think xatalos and rayn are scum together or how does that make sense? what the fuck when did I ever say that I never said you did. But to me it doesn't really make sense otherwise. Whatver I am not lynching the guy with the biggest filter. So the only world where things make sense is that Xan is scum is if rayn is also scum?
In that world what you said at least makes a little bit of sense, yes. But I doubt that we are living in that world.
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On August 23 2014 05:58 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2014 05:56 KelsierSC wrote:On August 23 2014 05:55 justanothertownie wrote:On August 23 2014 05:53 KelsierSC wrote:On August 23 2014 05:50 justanothertownie wrote:On August 23 2014 05:48 KelsierSC wrote:On August 23 2014 05:39 justanothertownie wrote:
Why would a scummer make the effort of faking notes and then only come up with null reads? So My issue is that the mafia notes is just a page of waffle and nothingness to me that is indicative of mafia, I think if you are town you should have a scum read by now. or at least more substantiation than he had. as for why would they fake notes, I don't know what you mean by fake but like it isn't difficult to maintain a page of notes so when things look bad you can copy/paste and go "look i am town!" So do you think xatalos and rayn are scum together or how does that make sense? what the fuck when did I ever say that I never said you did. But to me it doesn't really make sense otherwise. Whatver I am not lynching the guy with the biggest filter. So the only world where things make sense is that Xan is scum is if rayn is also scum? In that world what you said at least makes a little bit of sense, yes. But I doubt that we are living in that world.
Ok I don't understand where you are coming from as Xat and rayn have kind of butted heads the whole game.
Like to me Xat is mafia rayn is town. I don't understand this weird shit you are talking about
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