Guilty Mini Mafia - Page 37

On August 23 2014 05:12 Hapahauli wrote:


Nonsense.

"I think <x> player is suspicious for <y> reasons" is a town train of thought. If you read that quote, he's not saying that at all. He's asking OTHERS if they're suspicious of yamato.

And the context of the quote doesn't do Rayn many favors. Consider how quickly he changed topics. He made two posts on Yamato, then promply about-faced to talk about pretty irrelevant topics. Start here in his filter...
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/465098-guilty-mini-mafia?page=20#390

...where he immediately starts talking about Xatalos, Wave, then Damdred, then finally settles on GlowingBear 4 posts later, This is not pushing suspicions - this is throwing around shit until it sticks somewhere.

Hell, not once in his filter does he call yamato mafia, or even suspicious. This is the closest Rayn gets to calling Yamato mafia:


I still think the questions itself implies a scumread on yamato but I admit that he changed the subject rather quickly.
"Weird." Just weird.

On August 23 2014 05:12 KelsierSC wrote:


Ok here is my major problem Xatalos

Firstly you didn't really scum read rayn at all you said he was null and a lot of it was waffle about him being awake. In fact then you go on to give him a little town plug.




But then Hapa gives his read that rayn is mafia. Which you immediately jump on saying how it is "possible". Considering this is the first thing Hapa said and he has lurked all game you are ready to just flip on it. I really don't like that at all.

As far as the read Hapa gave, I disagree I think rayn is town. I am still undecided on Hapa

On August 23 2014 05:12 Hapahauli wrote:


Nonsense.

"I think <x> player is suspicious for <y> reasons" is a town train of thought. If you read that quote, he's not saying that at all. He's asking OTHERS if they're suspicious of yamato.

And the context of the quote doesn't do Rayn many favors. Consider how quickly he changed topics. He made two posts on Yamato, then promply about-faced to talk about pretty irrelevant topics. Start here in his filter...
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/465098-guilty-mini-mafia?page=20#390

...where he immediately starts talking about Xatalos, Wave, then Damdred, then finally settles on GlowingBear 4 posts later, This is not pushing suspicions - this is throwing around shit until it sticks somewhere.

Hell, not once in his filter does he call yamato mafia, or even suspicious. This is the closest Rayn gets to calling Yamato mafia:


"Weird." Just weird.

On August 23 2014 05:13 justanothertownie wrote:

Hm. There were exactly 2 moments in this game I was reminded of scumrayn so far. The tools thing and how he went after damdred earlier (-> reminded me of his push on ggtemplar in foundation). We will see how this goes when he returns.

On August 23 2014 05:17 Xatalos wrote:


I don't really think the MafiaTools stunt was scummy at all. In fact it ended up helping clear my name a bit and also made others understand my thought processes a bit better. What I mostly have problems with are 1 & 2.

On August 23 2014 05:31 KelsierSC wrote:

Your reads don't line up with my reads. People I view as town view you scummy, Your reads are wishy washy and don't have a lot of substance. You jump on a mafia read from someone who has like 2 posts this game.

On August 23 2014 05:31 KelsierSC wrote:
So I wasn't here for the mafia tools stunt, it doesn't clear you for me. In fact it feeds into my scum read of you.

I'm going to give my reasons here.

1) The initial list was just bad, you had some weird reads on rayn for being asleep and you had WoS as top town. It just didn't line up for me.

2) you voted and kind of went on dam when I read him town, you then unvoted him but now think he is mafia again.

3) You then went about "finding" who to lynch and you put a town list of me and 2 basically confirmed, everyone else was a maybe. Like you gave no real reads and just seemed wishy washy

4) Your mafia notes confirmed this. Everyone has a score close to 0. Everyone could be scum or not sure if town like there is nothing of value at all. you have GB at an 8, good the confirmed town is probably town.

5) The pressure is on you and you jump onto this rayn is mafia thing that Hapu brought up even though he has lurked and done nothing.

So TLDR
Your reads don't line up with my reads. People I view as town view you scummy, Your reads are wishy washy and don't have a lot of substance. You jump on a mafia read from someone who has like 2 posts this game.

##Vote Xatalos

On August 23 2014 05:39 justanothertownie wrote:
Why would a scummer make the effort of faking notes and then only come up with null reads?

On August 23 2014 05:48 KelsierSC wrote:


So My issue is that the mafia notes is just a page of waffle and nothingness to me that is indicative of mafia, I think if you are town you should have a scum read by now. or at least more substantiation than he had.

as for why would they fake notes, I don't know what you mean by fake but like it isn't difficult to maintain a page of notes so when things look bad you can copy/paste and go "look i am town!"

On August 23 2014 05:50 justanothertownie wrote:

So do you think xatalos and rayn are scum together or how does that make sense?

On August 23 2014 05:53 KelsierSC wrote:


what the fuck when did I ever say that

On August 23 2014 05:55 justanothertownie wrote:

I never said you did. But to me it doesn't really make sense otherwise. Whatver I am not lynching the guy with the biggest filter.

On August 23 2014 04:50 Hapahauli wrote:
Buckle up boys.

##Vote Raynpelikoneet

His play has been remarkably unmemorable and unfocused. After I read this game the first time through a few hours ago, I couldn't remember anything that he had posted... unheard of for a town Rayn.

As for the unfocused, this is the best example:



This is the scummiest thing I've seen in the thread. He just throws out "why is no one calling yamato mafia?" in the middle of a discussion, and drops some suspicion. What's notable about this is that

• His wording. It's not "I am suspicious of yamato" or something of the sort, it more "why aren't YOU GUYS suspicious of yamato"... which is an incredibly suspicious way of phrasing things. It's as if he wants other people to become suspicious of yamato as opposed to being suspicious himself and pushing a case.
  
• He never calls yamato mafia in these two posts, or in any of his filter. He calls yamato's behavior "wierd" once, and that's it.
  
• He doesn't really follow up on any of the yamato stuff. He just mentions it, and immediately goes to the next topic...

tl;dr
Rayn's play lacks a focus that I'd expect from a town Rayn. And this yamato stuff is icing on the cake - he just sort of throws out suspicions hoping someone will bite, and when no one did, he didn't follow up on it at all.

On August 23 2014 05:56 KelsierSC wrote:


So the only world where things make sense is that Xan is scum is if rayn is also scum?

On August 23 2014 05:58 justanothertownie wrote:

In that world what you said at least makes a little bit of sense, yes. But I doubt that we are living in that world.