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On August 23 2014 06:19 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2014 06:17 justanothertownie wrote:On August 23 2014 06:16 Hapahauli wrote:On August 23 2014 05:54 VayneAuthority wrote:
I don't understand hapa's entrance. its meant to make a big splash so to speak even in the word choice. But in the end its just covering up an awful case on a player that we aren't going to lynch day 1. What is your gameplan here? I'm trying to lynch mafia. Is that your gameplan as well? On August 23 2014 06:00 yamato77 wrote:
Hapa picked up on the EXACT thing I picked up on.
Lol, good shit.
I want to lynch one of rayn/wave/vayne Vayne is vayne. I really don't see how someone could lean on his alignment one way or the other. I wouldn't be opposed to vig shotting him though. As for Wave, I think he's town. There's a lot of "I just wanna have fun" stuff in his filter that strikes me as more of his town persona. Not 100% obviously, but would not lynch today. On August 23 2014 06:07 justanothertownie wrote:On August 23 2014 06:05 yamato77 wrote:
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tell me the rayn read isn't good
it's fucking godlike The only good thing about the case is the observation that rayn is pretty aimless and I don't know if that makes him scummy. Aimless does make Rayn scummy. He's not pushing any objectives. He's just talking about things to blend in. There's no method, no focus, no... madness that I expect from a town Rayn. But the scumrayn I know is not aimless at all. Look at foundation mafia. He was pushing mislynches like a fucking lunatic. he can't do what he did in foundation because there are much better players floating around in this thread
Like who? Maybe Hapa if he is town but that's pretty much it.
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On August 23 2014 06:18 yamato77 wrote:
it was scummy for him to randomly go "why do you read yamato as town?"
do you know how rayn operates with his scumreads as town? he makes fucking cases on them and argues about it for days
is this how he is handling his read on me? no. it's horseshit.
I don't like him coming after me, and I don't like how he's going about his read on wave or damdred either at the moment
I kind of explained the 1st point, not going to rehash.
I also don't see how he is "coming after you" can you elaborate. I think his WoS read is good, mhm I read dam as town.
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On August 23 2014 06:17 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2014 06:16 Hapahauli wrote:On August 23 2014 05:54 VayneAuthority wrote:
I don't understand hapa's entrance. its meant to make a big splash so to speak even in the word choice. But in the end its just covering up an awful case on a player that we aren't going to lynch day 1. What is your gameplan here? I'm trying to lynch mafia. Is that your gameplan as well? On August 23 2014 06:00 yamato77 wrote:
Hapa picked up on the EXACT thing I picked up on.
Lol, good shit.
I want to lynch one of rayn/wave/vayne Vayne is vayne. I really don't see how someone could lean on his alignment one way or the other. I wouldn't be opposed to vig shotting him though. As for Wave, I think he's town. There's a lot of "I just wanna have fun" stuff in his filter that strikes me as more of his town persona. Not 100% obviously, but would not lynch today. On August 23 2014 06:07 justanothertownie wrote:On August 23 2014 06:05 yamato77 wrote:
jat
tell me the rayn read isn't good
it's fucking godlike The only good thing about the case is the observation that rayn is pretty aimless and I don't know if that makes him scummy. Aimless does make Rayn scummy. He's not pushing any objectives. He's just talking about things to blend in. There's no method, no focus, no... madness that I expect from a town Rayn. But the scumrayn I know is not aimless at all. Look at foundation mafia. He was pushing mislynches like a fucking lunatic.
That's not really what I'm getting at. A town rayn is going to post that stuff about Yamato and push him "like a fucking lunatic." Because town rayn formulates suspicions, keeps his focus, and pushes them relentlessly... all because he believes he's correct.
A scum rayn's focus is very different. He'll definetely push suspicions, but what's more important is what he doesn't push. It is the fact that he'll mention a read and drop it, only to go after lynchbait. His focus is wider, more diluted, and he'll throw a lot of shit around until he finds that one thing that sticks and go all out on it.
Town rayn = "find mafia, lynch mafia, fuck you I'm right lynch this fucker right here."
Scum rayn = "Lets talk about this, oh is this guy suspicious, howabout this guy, or this guy? Oh this seems interesting, YEAH let's push him! Fuck you OMGUSOMGUS!"
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On August 23 2014 06:26 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2014 06:17 justanothertownie wrote:On August 23 2014 06:16 Hapahauli wrote:On August 23 2014 05:54 VayneAuthority wrote:
I don't understand hapa's entrance. its meant to make a big splash so to speak even in the word choice. But in the end its just covering up an awful case on a player that we aren't going to lynch day 1. What is your gameplan here? I'm trying to lynch mafia. Is that your gameplan as well? On August 23 2014 06:00 yamato77 wrote:
Hapa picked up on the EXACT thing I picked up on.
Lol, good shit.
I want to lynch one of rayn/wave/vayne Vayne is vayne. I really don't see how someone could lean on his alignment one way or the other. I wouldn't be opposed to vig shotting him though. As for Wave, I think he's town. There's a lot of "I just wanna have fun" stuff in his filter that strikes me as more of his town persona. Not 100% obviously, but would not lynch today. On August 23 2014 06:07 justanothertownie wrote:On August 23 2014 06:05 yamato77 wrote:
jat
tell me the rayn read isn't good
it's fucking godlike The only good thing about the case is the observation that rayn is pretty aimless and I don't know if that makes him scummy. Aimless does make Rayn scummy. He's not pushing any objectives. He's just talking about things to blend in. There's no method, no focus, no... madness that I expect from a town Rayn. But the scumrayn I know is not aimless at all. Look at foundation mafia. He was pushing mislynches like a fucking lunatic. That's not really what I'm getting at. A town rayn is going to post that stuff about Yamato and push him "like a fucking lunatic." Because town rayn formulates suspicions, keeps his focus, and pushes them relentlessly... all because he believes he's correct. A scum rayn's focus is very different. He'll definetely push suspicions, but what's more important is what he doesn't push. It is the fact that he'll mention a read and drop it, only to go after lynchbait. His focus is wider, more diluted, and he'll throw a lot of shit around until he finds that one thing that sticks and go all out on it. Town rayn = "find mafia, lynch mafia, fuck you I'm right lynch this fucker right here." Scum rayn = "Lets talk about this, oh is this guy suspicious, howabout this guy, or this guy? Oh this seems interesting, YEAH let's push him! Fuck you OMGUSOMGUS!"
I get what you are talking about now but you have to keep in mind that yamato was absent the whole time. Rayn wasn't able to question him and yamato did not produce any content that could be discussed or analysed either.
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On August 23 2014 06:06 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2014 06:01 Damdred wrote:
Maybe I'm misunderstanding but kel is saying xat thinks I'm still mafia when the thread says otherqise. Xat says I'm unlynchable today and defends me on several occasions. yeh you are misunderstanding he defends you now but he did like vote and go pretty hard on you despite his read being that you were "awkward" like it is more wishy washy stuff that I don't like at all. Interesting
I give little credit to xatas vote on me honestly. Basically he removed his vote and totally stopped pushing me after i reentered the thread. I think you aren't thinking about the evolution of reads i can think someone is scummy and then after watching and interacting they are town.
Atm this just makes it so your case is built off old facts and trying to paint his actions red. Right now xata is town to me his views evolve over time he's not scared to say what he thinks and he's not avoiding. So yea
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On August 23 2014 05:19 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2014 05:17 Xatalos wrote:On August 23 2014 05:13 justanothertownie wrote:On August 23 2014 05:11 Xatalos wrote:On August 23 2014 05:01 Xatalos wrote:
Well, rayn being scum would fit though. Things like:
1) Softpushing yamato and then forgetting about it
2) Scumreading Damdred for stuff that's out of context or even blatantly false
3) Pushing me with "certainty" based on almost nothing D1 just like in Titanic as scum (granted he did something a bit similar in another game as town too) Hm. There were exactly 2 moments in this game I was reminded of scumrayn so far. The tools thing and how he went after damdred earlier (-> reminded me of his push on ggtemplar in foundation). We will see how this goes when he returns. I don't really think the MafiaTools stunt was scummy at all. In fact it ended up helping clear my name a bit and also made others understand my thought processes a bit better. What I mostly have problems with are 1 & 2. It does not look scummy but it still reminded me. If you ask yourself why look at TL Noir. Did you talk with him beforehand about it and did you tell him you would do this kind of stuff this game?
He's been my tester for the website to write notes about Mafia games (a pretty experimental project but perhaps it could come to wider use soon as it's pretty much finished already). He must have noticed I was currently using it since I copy-pasted my notes as my first post in the game.
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On August 23 2014 06:29 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2014 06:26 Hapahauli wrote:On August 23 2014 06:17 justanothertownie wrote:On August 23 2014 06:16 Hapahauli wrote:On August 23 2014 05:54 VayneAuthority wrote:
I don't understand hapa's entrance. its meant to make a big splash so to speak even in the word choice. But in the end its just covering up an awful case on a player that we aren't going to lynch day 1. What is your gameplan here? I'm trying to lynch mafia. Is that your gameplan as well? On August 23 2014 06:00 yamato77 wrote:
Hapa picked up on the EXACT thing I picked up on.
Lol, good shit.
I want to lynch one of rayn/wave/vayne Vayne is vayne. I really don't see how someone could lean on his alignment one way or the other. I wouldn't be opposed to vig shotting him though. As for Wave, I think he's town. There's a lot of "I just wanna have fun" stuff in his filter that strikes me as more of his town persona. Not 100% obviously, but would not lynch today. On August 23 2014 06:07 justanothertownie wrote:On August 23 2014 06:05 yamato77 wrote:
jat
tell me the rayn read isn't good
it's fucking godlike The only good thing about the case is the observation that rayn is pretty aimless and I don't know if that makes him scummy. Aimless does make Rayn scummy. He's not pushing any objectives. He's just talking about things to blend in. There's no method, no focus, no... madness that I expect from a town Rayn. But the scumrayn I know is not aimless at all. Look at foundation mafia. He was pushing mislynches like a fucking lunatic. That's not really what I'm getting at. A town rayn is going to post that stuff about Yamato and push him "like a fucking lunatic." Because town rayn formulates suspicions, keeps his focus, and pushes them relentlessly... all because he believes he's correct. A scum rayn's focus is very different. He'll definetely push suspicions, but what's more important is what he doesn't push. It is the fact that he'll mention a read and drop it, only to go after lynchbait. His focus is wider, more diluted, and he'll throw a lot of shit around until he finds that one thing that sticks and go all out on it. Town rayn = "find mafia, lynch mafia, fuck you I'm right lynch this fucker right here." Scum rayn = "Lets talk about this, oh is this guy suspicious, howabout this guy, or this guy? Oh this seems interesting, YEAH let's push him! Fuck you OMGUSOMGUS!" I get what you are talking about now but you have to keep in mind that yamato was absent the whole time. Rayn wasn't able to question him and yamato did not produce any content that could be discussed or analysed either.
While this is rrue rayn did peace out after saying i was scum yelling at me. and once a few people posted in support he was gone
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On August 23 2014 06:32 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2014 05:19 justanothertownie wrote:On August 23 2014 05:17 Xatalos wrote:On August 23 2014 05:13 justanothertownie wrote:On August 23 2014 05:11 Xatalos wrote:On August 23 2014 05:01 Xatalos wrote:
Well, rayn being scum would fit though. Things like:
1) Softpushing yamato and then forgetting about it
2) Scumreading Damdred for stuff that's out of context or even blatantly false
3) Pushing me with "certainty" based on almost nothing D1 just like in Titanic as scum (granted he did something a bit similar in another game as town too) Hm. There were exactly 2 moments in this game I was reminded of scumrayn so far. The tools thing and how he went after damdred earlier (-> reminded me of his push on ggtemplar in foundation). We will see how this goes when he returns. I don't really think the MafiaTools stunt was scummy at all. In fact it ended up helping clear my name a bit and also made others understand my thought processes a bit better. What I mostly have problems with are 1 & 2. It does not look scummy but it still reminded me. If you ask yourself why look at TL Noir. Did you talk with him beforehand about it and did you tell him you would do this kind of stuff this game? He's been my tester for the website to write notes about Mafia games (a pretty experimental project but perhaps it could come to wider use soon as it's pretty much finished already). He must have noticed I was currently using it since I copy-pasted my notes as my first post in the game.
Ok. I will just ignore the whole thing then.
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On August 23 2014 06:34 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2014 06:29 justanothertownie wrote:On August 23 2014 06:26 Hapahauli wrote:On August 23 2014 06:17 justanothertownie wrote:On August 23 2014 06:16 Hapahauli wrote:On August 23 2014 05:54 VayneAuthority wrote:
I don't understand hapa's entrance. its meant to make a big splash so to speak even in the word choice. But in the end its just covering up an awful case on a player that we aren't going to lynch day 1. What is your gameplan here? I'm trying to lynch mafia. Is that your gameplan as well? On August 23 2014 06:00 yamato77 wrote:
Hapa picked up on the EXACT thing I picked up on.
Lol, good shit.
I want to lynch one of rayn/wave/vayne Vayne is vayne. I really don't see how someone could lean on his alignment one way or the other. I wouldn't be opposed to vig shotting him though. As for Wave, I think he's town. There's a lot of "I just wanna have fun" stuff in his filter that strikes me as more of his town persona. Not 100% obviously, but would not lynch today. On August 23 2014 06:07 justanothertownie wrote:On August 23 2014 06:05 yamato77 wrote:
jat
tell me the rayn read isn't good
it's fucking godlike The only good thing about the case is the observation that rayn is pretty aimless and I don't know if that makes him scummy. Aimless does make Rayn scummy. He's not pushing any objectives. He's just talking about things to blend in. There's no method, no focus, no... madness that I expect from a town Rayn. But the scumrayn I know is not aimless at all. Look at foundation mafia. He was pushing mislynches like a fucking lunatic. That's not really what I'm getting at. A town rayn is going to post that stuff about Yamato and push him "like a fucking lunatic." Because town rayn formulates suspicions, keeps his focus, and pushes them relentlessly... all because he believes he's correct. A scum rayn's focus is very different. He'll definetely push suspicions, but what's more important is what he doesn't push. It is the fact that he'll mention a read and drop it, only to go after lynchbait. His focus is wider, more diluted, and he'll throw a lot of shit around until he finds that one thing that sticks and go all out on it. Town rayn = "find mafia, lynch mafia, fuck you I'm right lynch this fucker right here." Scum rayn = "Lets talk about this, oh is this guy suspicious, howabout this guy, or this guy? Oh this seems interesting, YEAH let's push him! Fuck you OMGUSOMGUS!" I get what you are talking about now but you have to keep in mind that yamato was absent the whole time. Rayn wasn't able to question him and yamato did not produce any content that could be discussed or analysed either. While this is rrue rayn did peace out after saying i was scum yelling at me. and once a few people posted in support he was gone
That's a different story. I don't think he would peace out like that as scum and not as town but as I already said the push on you indeed was weaksauce.
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Also anyone (but particularly Yamato), can you post your thoughts on Damdred?
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On August 23 2014 06:32 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2014 06:06 KelsierSC wrote:On August 23 2014 06:01 Damdred wrote:
Maybe I'm misunderstanding but kel is saying xat thinks I'm still mafia when the thread says otherqise. Xat says I'm unlynchable today and defends me on several occasions. yeh you are misunderstanding he defends you now but he did like vote and go pretty hard on you despite his read being that you were "awkward" like it is more wishy washy stuff that I don't like at all. On August 23 2014 06:02 justanothertownie wrote:
Yes, I noticed that too. Interesting I give little credit to xatas vote on me honestly. Basically he removed his vote and totally stopped pushing me after i reentered the thread. I think you aren't thinking about the evolution of reads i can think someone is scummy and then after watching and interacting they are town. Atm this just makes it so your case is built off old facts and trying to paint his actions red. Right now xata is town to me his views evolve over time he's not scared to say what he thinks and he's not avoiding. So yea
I still give some credit to it I think his read on you was bad. Once other people TR you he kind of backed off but I am not forgetting it.
Since then there is no evolution because he has no reads, his mafia notes thing was just nonsense.
Then as soon as some lurker appears with a mafia read on rayn he is all over it,
How has his play evolved since then what new play has developed, the "old" points still stand because I have nothing from him.
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On August 23 2014 05:31 KelsierSC wrote:
So I wasn't here for the mafia tools stunt, it doesn't clear you for me. In fact it feeds into my scum read of you.
I'm going to give my reasons here.
1) The initial list was just bad, you had some weird reads on rayn for being asleep and you had WoS as top town. It just didn't line up for me.
2) you voted and kind of went on dam when I read him town, you then unvoted him but now think he is mafia again.
3) You then went about "finding" who to lynch and you put a town list of me and 2 basically confirmed, everyone else was a maybe. Like you gave no real reads and just seemed wishy washy
4) Your mafia notes confirmed this. Everyone has a score close to 0. Everyone could be scum or not sure if town like there is nothing of value at all. you have GB at an 8, good the confirmed town is probably town.
5) The pressure is on you and you jump onto this rayn is mafia thing that Hapu brought up even though he has lurked and done nothing.
So TLDR
Your reads don't line up with my reads. People I view as town view you scummy, Your reads are wishy washy and don't have a lot of substance. You jump on a mafia read from someone who has like 2 posts this game.
##Vote Xatalos
1) Bad != scummy. Besides it wasn't all bad, there were just a couple of questionable arguments in there since it was composed of my natural immediate thoughts instead of carefully considering what to post.
2) This is just false.
3) As scum I ALWAYS find something to push and push it neatly to emulate optimal townie behaviour (often it's even on actual scum to distance myself). Me being uncertain makes me town if anything.
4) See above.
5) Hapa just arriving to the thread doesn't mean he's suspicious. In fact I think he's very town for analysing me 100% correctly + I think he's probably correct on rayn as well. Each of his posts has been constructive and brought more original information to the thread. Why is he suspicious / useless again?
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On August 23 2014 06:37 Hapahauli wrote:
Also anyone (but particularly Yamato), can you post your thoughts on Damdred?
Why particularly yamato? Is he particularly town? Do you want to find out about his alignment in particular?
I already posted a few things on damdred -> it's in my filter. Why don't you enlighten us with your own thoughts?
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Because I disagree with his reads obviously. =/
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On August 23 2014 06:40 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2014 06:37 Hapahauli wrote:
Also anyone (but particularly Yamato), can you post your thoughts on Damdred? Why particularly yamato? Is he particularly town? Do you want to find out about his alignment in particular? I already posted a few things on damdred -> it's in my filter. Why don't you enlighten us with your own thoughts?
I'm not sure. That's why I kinda wanted to get some opinions on it.
I mentioned Yamato in particular because of this post:
On August 23 2014 06:01 yamato77 wrote:
xat/kels/damdred/gb all likely town
robik being robik
turtlevine is apparently confirmed to gb, so he's town
lolol ez game ez lyfe
...where he puts damdred pretty much next to every other strong town read I have in this game.
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On August 23 2014 06:42 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2014 06:40 justanothertownie wrote:On August 23 2014 06:37 Hapahauli wrote:
Also anyone (but particularly Yamato), can you post your thoughts on Damdred? Why particularly yamato? Is he particularly town? Do you want to find out about his alignment in particular? I already posted a few things on damdred -> it's in my filter. Why don't you enlighten us with your own thoughts? I'm not sure. That's why I kinda wanted to get some opinions on it. I mentioned Yamato in particular because of this post: Show nested quote +On August 23 2014 06:01 yamato77 wrote:
xat/kels/damdred/gb all likely town
robik being robik
turtlevine is apparently confirmed to gb, so he's town
lolol ez game ez lyfe ...where he puts damdred pretty much next to every other strong town read I have in this game.
Ok, fair enough. You both feel free to explain the Kelsier townread. I also had a sizable townread on him after the start but it faded quite a bit since then.
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Kelser is very try-hard. There's really not much more to it than that.
He's extremely direct/blunt about his opinions, never skirts around an issue, and overall has a clear and consistent approach to his reads (even though I disagree with some).
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Xat you are taking things way out of context there.
I never said Hapa was scum, at all.
What I said is that you have no reason to really think he is town, but you are perfectly happy to sheep his read and call rayn mafia. EVEN THOUGH you called him town a few posts before.
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You underestimate my suave.
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On August 23 2014 06:46 Hapahauli wrote:
You underestimate my suave.
that may be so
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