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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 25 2014 17:09 GMT
#2186
On August 26 2014 02:07 turtlevine wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2014 02:05 Xatalos wrote:
On August 26 2014 02:04 Xatalos wrote:
On August 26 2014 01:59 turtlevine wrote:
On August 26 2014 01:57 WaveofShadow wrote:
Do you plan on letting GB play the entire game for you or something?


Letting GB play the game for me has worked amazingly well so far, I see no reason to stop. 2 scum are dead and it's D2. As my uncle used to say, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it". Then again, he was an alcoholic and beat his kids, so who knows if that guy was trustworthy.

So are you claiming Vigi or do you not have some reason to believe scum isn't behind the rayn kill


Do you even read the thread?


Or even the setup..... Honestly.

Only 1 scum is dead so far. And the second kill was made by SK.


Yes... obviously. WoS seems to be saying that it was NOT made by scum, which is why I'm asking him.


I'm not sure what you're getting at. One kill was made by scum, one by SK.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 25 2014 17:11 GMT
#2189
Thus 2 pages were wasted on absolutely nothing >.>
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 25 2014 17:12 GMT
#2190
On August 26 2014 02:11 turtlevine wrote:
So... I guess on TL people use "Scum" to mean "Mafia" rather than "anti-town". When I'm talking about mafia, I'll just say mafia or scumteam. When I'm talking about scum, I'll say scum. Why have the word if it means the same as mafia?


Oh so you're new. Yeah, scum = Mafia.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 25 2014 17:17 GMT
#2197
Actually I just had a thought. In the Arnie game Damdred constantly asked me these little questions to share my reads more / make me more readable. Damdred's play here reminds me a lot of that. So yeah, I don't want to lynch Damdred today.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 25 2014 17:22 GMT
#2199
So I don't think anyone outside of VA/Onegu would be a good lynch today. Hapa is just too risky.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 25 2014 17:23 GMT
#2200
And maybe I'm biased because Hapa probably contributed the most to me not getting lynched D1.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 25 2014 17:25 GMT
#2202
Both turtlevine and VA throw around the term "confirmed scum" rather casually...
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 25 2014 17:44 GMT
#2207
On August 26 2014 02:14 turtlevine wrote:
You would have been claiming Vigi, either as a real vigi or an SK pretending to be one.

2 scum are dead because we're lynching VA today, who is obviously scum. He's even more obviously scum if you're actually the vig since there's no way we'd have both a vigi and a joat.


Sorry, I misremembered obviously scum as confirmed scum. There's a slight difference indeed.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 25 2014 17:50 GMT
#2208
On August 26 2014 02:32 KelsierSC wrote:
Xat Could you give me a condensed version of how you read the game right now after the night kills and the VA claim?


Here are my "condensed" reads >.>

VayneAuthority -2 not really a fan of his posts so far, I think someone said that he's pretty serious as scum and trolly as town? serious so far... seems to focus only on survival + made a rather dubious roleclaim
claimed JOAT early on D2 "to survive"

Onegu -1 AFK and still catching up :/ - entered the game constructively and tried to figure out the game, probably town... Hapa made good points about him being reckless to push rayn as scum + showing suspicion towards a Mason claim haha - well hasn't done much lately so dropped points - rayn flipping town puts him into worse light especially since he just threw his vote on rayn and disappeared

Damdred 1 Pretty forgettable posts so far instead of awkward like last time.... scum(my)? - actually his more recent posts mirror my thoughts so town? - rayn made a decent(ish) point about him perhaps being SK since he's a bit forgettable/passive??? and also looked for bluetells earlier... but still not a D1 lynch - worst D1 deadline vote, not good - actually his little questions to me remind a lot of the Arnie game so rather wait and see than lynch for now, feels like potentially town

Hapahauli 2 entered with great posts on rayn & me, quite confident that he's town - then dropped rayn suddenly, weird, possible scum after all? dunno, doesn't feel like a good D1 lynch anyway - went on to lynch Mafia GF which makes him a lot more towny - possible SK still considering rayn NK?

KelsierSC 3 "tryhardish" opening post that is actually fluff - and the theme continues.... :/ ugh so awkward, but also confrontational, so maybe just awkwardly tryhard? - really eager to lynch "useless" people ugh..? what is this... well continues to antagonize people so prolly town maybe? dunno... well seems so tryhard that I guess town maybe... yeah I guess so - well he's been defending rayn and pushing me with very forced reasons so not confident about him being town anymore (though he'd be very stupid if he's scum with rayn) - well more likely town still, very fearless if scum

WaveOfShadow 3 Reveals willingly which players he's confident in reading and responds to Kelsier in a pretty casual/townish(?) way - really casual posting style so town lean for now - really active/chatty in Championship as scum though so could be scum too - but he's still pretty happily participating in the discussion and felt genuinely frustrated at some point so town after all? - away for a lot of crucial discussion which drops his points by one - well he's come back to the thread and his posts seem pretty good lately - his thoughts resonated with my thoughts around deadline quite a bit which is good

yamato77 3 said nothing noteworthy yet - well started making some jokey posts so town? very lurky though which is scummy for him - re-entered the thread with vengeance and has been very townish, I'd say even obvtown level pretty much - Hapa made some good points about him lacking confidence and going on lurking periods though - still (actively?) lurking and posting here and there... gave up exactly like in the PYP game ALERT ALERT - went on to vote & kill Robik though and started actually doing stuff so probably town after all
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 25 2014 17:55 GMT
#2210
Another way to list the reads:

Unlynchable for now: yamato, WOS, KSC

Unlynchable today: Hapa, Damdred

Lynch candidates: VA, Onegu
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 25 2014 17:56 GMT
#2211
On August 26 2014 02:55 turtlevine wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2014 02:44 Xatalos wrote:
On August 26 2014 02:14 turtlevine wrote:
You would have been claiming Vigi, either as a real vigi or an SK pretending to be one.

2 scum are dead because we're lynching VA today, who is obviously scum. He's even more obviously scum if you're actually the vig since there's no way we'd have both a vigi and a joat.


Sorry, I misremembered obviously scum as confirmed scum. There's a slight difference indeed.


Not sure why youd make that mistake. how could he even be confirmed scum in this situation? I don't even


Because VA called Onegu as "confirmed scum" so I mixed up that you had also said the same when what you said was a bit different.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 25 2014 18:02 GMT
#2214
Except Robik
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 25 2014 18:03 GMT
#2215
On August 26 2014 02:23 VayneAuthority wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2014 02:22 Xatalos wrote:
So I don't think anyone outside of VA/Onegu would be a good lynch today. Hapa is just too risky.


Onegu is pretty much confirmed to be scum at this point, our issue today is finding the third one. hapa is most likely the SK given his play but you're right its not worth it to lynch him today. Just don't make the mistake of giving him a free pass again tomorrow and lynch onegu for sure.


Why isn't your vote on Onegu if you're so sure he's scum?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 25 2014 18:10 GMT
#2216
Hm. In hindsight it really was pretty scummy how Onegu claimed he was a rayn reader extraordinaire, voted for him without reading the thread properly and left. rayn being scum would have largely redeemed Onegu, but now it just looks pretty bad for him. Scum also probably didn't expect rayn to die anytime soon, so it just added fuel to the fire without putting Onegu himself in much danger (rayn didn't react that strongly against Onegu and he would still be able to easily park his vote on rayn for several days even).
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 25 2014 18:11 GMT
#2217
But it's hard to decide between these two :/
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 25 2014 18:20 GMT
#2219
On August 23 2014 21:01 Onegu wrote:
Yeah rayn Im reading you scum this game buddy, here is why. Normally you will be like scum rayn doesnt do this, scum rayn never does that. This game you are posting specific reasons to read you. I saw it on page 51 that I just pointed out and page 2 of your filter.


Well Damdred, Onegu's own reason for voting rayn wasn't very good (the post above). Especially since he's supposed to be an expert on rayn. But he did explain more of his thoughts on how to read rayn and I really liked his point about how town rayn clearly believes in everything he does while scum rayn doesn't. I thought it applied pretty well to his softpush on yamato and his baseless push on you. Still Onegu didn't really apply that overall theory to anything rayn did, I did it myself. Onegu just voted rayn based on the above post that isn't very convincing. I didn't really mind it when I thought rayn was scum anyway, but now it doesn't look that good anymore.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 25 2014 18:26 GMT
#2220
WAIT!!!!

From the OP:

"Roleblocked X-Shots and JoaT roles will have their power use refunded."

This leads me to believe that a JOAT role actually exists in the game. Also the GF role PM pointed in the same direction (or more specifically that a watcher/tracker existed I guess, but a JOAT includes that power). With these two points of circumstantial evidence I think it's quite likely for a JOAT role to exist. Since there hasn't been a counterclaim, it's reasonably likely that the claim could be genuine.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 25 2014 18:31 GMT
#2221
##Unvote
##Vote Onegu

Maybe just lynch Onegu today. Scum/SK will need to handle VA anyways if he's actually a JOAT (either roleblocking him, which will just refund the power again and again, or killing him).
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 25 2014 18:35 GMT
#2222
I really doubt VA would be SK (it's unlikely he would bet everything on this claim when it just makes him to be NK'd / roleblocked by scum). Scum JOAT is a possibility, I guess, but he still puts himself in danger from the SK by doing this.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 25 2014 18:42 GMT
#2224
Dat wagon
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
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