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I don't really have any idea WTF GB is doing lately. He started off so well and now he's making some impossible pre-flip connection cases :/
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On August 22 2014 22:00 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2014 21:38 Damdred wrote:
Ok caught up and had one cup of coffee so far.
I don't really care for Xatalos reads so much, i'm just going to ignore the part of me since he always does that to me. I don't get his scummy feels vs non scummy feels. Kel is the lowest on the town scale for him but he has given some of the better material in this thread so far and seems the most likely to be towny out of the early posters and he continues to give pretty good reasoning behind his reads he is part of town I really like him right now.
Xata, have you changed your mind about ray and what you originally posted him as? Also if you give Ray a -1 for being asleep when hes usually not active on the boards shouldn't the other people who have 0s have -1 to?
I think I disagree with the GB and Wave rankings the most. GB is townish to me right now besides the awkward re-entrance to the thread and asking for summary which is just weird and seems strange.
You say wave responds to kel in a casual/towny type way? I don't see that at all, it looked like to me he waited on someone else to call him stupid and then jumped on him, and then asked the same question to multiple people and didn't draw conclusions up to that point about them instead he just left that doesn't seem very towny to me. Confused why you gave him such a strong town read Yeah I think Kel is leaning town. Maybe he should be like +2 or +3. For example he's just making enemies and pushing his own thoughts, not something many scum would feel comfortable doing. I'm just kind of null on rayn right now. I've never been good at reading him but I think my heuristic is correct: super helpful rayn = town, unhelpful rayn = null. So null. I'll believe that he was really sleeping so I don't really care about that point of suspicion anymore. How do you disagree about GB if we both townread him? I'll look at the WOS scumgame soon so I'll re-evaluate my read then.
If this is the post you responded to me on ok,
I don't disagree with a town read on GB for his earlier posting and responses in the thread, infact I agree with you that they felt a lot more natural than when we last saw GB as mafia however (I should of specified earlier) I only disagree with such a strong town read. There have been several instances where GB has been as awkward as the mafia game.
re-entry post and where he asked me whether WoS was mafia or not and then promptly went to bed and has had no follow up on that post earlier its strange that it seemed like an important exchange in finding each others alignments but it seems to be quickly forgotten. Also instead of waiting for me to respond to his earlier question he immediately qued on an odd post I made and then retreated to bed shortly before I responded and still hasn't drawn conclusions from the posts. So yes I disagree with your stronger town read currently, I have a falling town lean after re-reading GBs filter.
And I know you said earlier WoS activity level cannot be put in comparison to scummy level so glad you checked on that though.
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On August 22 2014 23:26 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2014 23:18 justanothertownie wrote:On August 22 2014 23:17 KelsierSC wrote:On August 22 2014 23:14 WaveofShadow wrote:On August 22 2014 23:13 KelsierSC wrote:On August 22 2014 23:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why is noone calling yamato mafia? are you calling him mafia? I gave him a town pass today because of his interaction with you. He said someething about not being able to read WoS that well but did bring up his early posting being fluffy and that felt like town to me. I think mafia would have just said "he has shit posted yeh" WARNING WARNING CONFIRMATION BIAS I'm not sure what you mean by that. The reason he feels town is he said he can't read you that well which I don't think a mafia would say. d1 pass acquired. Why wouldn't a mafia say this? There is no reason to say it, you can just give the read and cast a bigger aspersion if you don't preface it. He also felt town in his interactions, kind of chilled and relaxed. So I have multiple reasons to give him a town pass I kind of feel like GB has had a weak game since coming back and the awkward intro, like giving a "you gave your mafia partner a +4" like maybe that was a joke but I don't think anyone would truly believe that a mafia makes his partner top town right at the start of d1. I gave him an early town pass but I really don't like his play so far.
I hate to break it to you but mafia often avoids giving concrete reads on people.
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On August 22 2014 23:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2014 23:23 WaveofShadow wrote:
Listposts draw attention, having reads basically opposite to everyone else in thread draw attention. So unless he really WASN'T reading the thread, or plays scum like me (I highly doubt it), he's likely not scum. Bad posts are bad posts. People are found out as mafia because of bad posts. You can't just say "look a scummy post this dude is town because no scum would do that" (which i recently got painfully reminded of).
I also do not understand your pre-flip association read on Xatalos being town because "everyone has called him scum" when in fact half of the players have not called him scum.
This is especially true after our last game where this line of thought went horribly wrong.
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On August 22 2014 12:41 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2014 12:37 KelsierSC wrote:On August 22 2014 12:32 GlowingBear wrote:On August 22 2014 12:25 KelsierSC wrote:On August 22 2014 12:19 GlowingBear wrote:On August 22 2014 12:10 Damdred wrote:
@Gb you said most likely to be mafia out of those posted talk to me why its him (1)He is too aggressive page 1. Being aggressive is a town play, but being too aggressive with too little information sounds scummy to me or beginner's paranoia. I was like that when I was a newbie and I did that last game against Rayn when I was mafia. (2) his entrance is a tcontributing post which doesn't days much actually. He could be trying to look contributive while being mafia. (3) free town passes. He gave a town pass to Robik but didn't to WoS and they were in the same level of "rudeness". Tbh, those three items post on WoS were valid, but WoS is an easy target if you consider all those items already in the beginning of day 1. Being aggressive is basically how I get my reads as town. Apparently this counts as tryhard but if I am rubbing people the wrong way this early then that probably makes me town. The tryhard town read on me is correct. I already explained my town passes is a d1 style of mine it is easier d1 to give someone a town pass and see who is left. I also want to explain what was different about Robik and WoS. So robik was the first guy to basically say "you are stupid" which I actually read as town. only after Robik did WoS come at me and it was like just 3 nothing questions to derail town with. After that his rudeness was just almost like evasive and not contributing in anyway. stuff like posting a gif file, or asking for the SK to kill me. Recently he has been a bit more active but it almost feels forced. He basically asked everyone to give a scum read, an easy way to seem active. and then asked Gb about yamato, who has only said looooooool. Like I think there were better questions to ask. Bolded part is an okay explanation. I also said you have valid points regarding WoS, but it looks to early to push that hard. I understand you said it is your town play style, but I have to have my own interpretations of what you do. You can begin to ask better questions now, instead of WoS So for me I am waiting for some new players to kind of start playing and give an interpretation. I want yamato to give anything apart from his lol post. You won't get much from Yamato. Check the games he has played and you'll see that he is not talkative regardless his alignment. Can you tell me why do you feel I'm town? I guess you already said that but I didn't get it clearly.
People who post these things always end up being mafia.
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On August 22 2014 23:30 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2014 23:26 KelsierSC wrote:On August 22 2014 23:18 justanothertownie wrote:On August 22 2014 23:17 KelsierSC wrote:On August 22 2014 23:14 WaveofShadow wrote:On August 22 2014 23:13 KelsierSC wrote:On August 22 2014 23:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why is noone calling yamato mafia? are you calling him mafia? I gave him a town pass today because of his interaction with you. He said someething about not being able to read WoS that well but did bring up his early posting being fluffy and that felt like town to me. I think mafia would have just said "he has shit posted yeh" WARNING WARNING CONFIRMATION BIAS I'm not sure what you mean by that. The reason he feels town is he said he can't read you that well which I don't think a mafia would say. d1 pass acquired. Why wouldn't a mafia say this? There is no reason to say it, you can just give the read and cast a bigger aspersion if you don't preface it. He also felt town in his interactions, kind of chilled and relaxed. So I have multiple reasons to give him a town pass I kind of feel like GB has had a weak game since coming back and the awkward intro, like giving a "you gave your mafia partner a +4" like maybe that was a joke but I don't think anyone would truly believe that a mafia makes his partner top town right at the start of d1. I gave him an early town pass but I really don't like his play so far. I hate to break it to you but mafia often avoids giving concrete reads on people.
Yep I understand that idea but his interactions felt genuine to me.
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On August 22 2014 23:29 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2014 22:00 Xatalos wrote:On August 22 2014 21:38 Damdred wrote:
Ok caught up and had one cup of coffee so far.
I don't really care for Xatalos reads so much, i'm just going to ignore the part of me since he always does that to me. I don't get his scummy feels vs non scummy feels. Kel is the lowest on the town scale for him but he has given some of the better material in this thread so far and seems the most likely to be towny out of the early posters and he continues to give pretty good reasoning behind his reads he is part of town I really like him right now.
Xata, have you changed your mind about ray and what you originally posted him as? Also if you give Ray a -1 for being asleep when hes usually not active on the boards shouldn't the other people who have 0s have -1 to?
I think I disagree with the GB and Wave rankings the most. GB is townish to me right now besides the awkward re-entrance to the thread and asking for summary which is just weird and seems strange.
You say wave responds to kel in a casual/towny type way? I don't see that at all, it looked like to me he waited on someone else to call him stupid and then jumped on him, and then asked the same question to multiple people and didn't draw conclusions up to that point about them instead he just left that doesn't seem very towny to me. Confused why you gave him such a strong town read Yeah I think Kel is leaning town. Maybe he should be like +2 or +3. For example he's just making enemies and pushing his own thoughts, not something many scum would feel comfortable doing. I'm just kind of null on rayn right now. I've never been good at reading him but I think my heuristic is correct: super helpful rayn = town, unhelpful rayn = null. So null. I'll believe that he was really sleeping so I don't really care about that point of suspicion anymore. How do you disagree about GB if we both townread him? I'll look at the WOS scumgame soon so I'll re-evaluate my read then. If this is the post you responded to me on ok, I don't disagree with a town read on GB for his earlier posting and responses in the thread, infact I agree with you that they felt a lot more natural than when we last saw GB as mafia however (I should of specified earlier) I only disagree with such a strong town read. There have been several instances where GB has been as awkward as the mafia game. re-entry post and where he asked me whether WoS was mafia or not and then promptly went to bed and has had no follow up on that post earlier its strange that it seemed like an important exchange in finding each others alignments but it seems to be quickly forgotten. Also instead of waiting for me to respond to his earlier question he immediately qued on an odd post I made and then retreated to bed shortly before I responded and still hasn't drawn conclusions from the posts. So yes I disagree with your stronger town read currently, I have a falling town lean after re-reading GBs filter. And I know you said earlier WoS activity level cannot be put in comparison to scummy level so glad you checked on that though.
I like this post.
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Specifically I like that you mirrored my own notes in how GB felt towny early on and has fallen from grace a bit in the recent pages.
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On August 22 2014 21:59 WaveofShadow wrote:
Which is absolutely fucking retarded, by the way. If Xat and I were both scum I can say with absolute certainty there is NO WAY IN HELL I would let him call me top town based on essentially nothing. Hell I don't think Xat would even be so bad as to try that on his own either. Scum NEVER give each other massive townreads like that. It's completely unheard of.
I had to look this up and comment on it.
I did that once. It ended up winning the game because Risen is so awesome! 
so case debunked.
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On August 22 2014 23:32 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2014 23:30 justanothertownie wrote:On August 22 2014 23:26 KelsierSC wrote:On August 22 2014 23:18 justanothertownie wrote:On August 22 2014 23:17 KelsierSC wrote:On August 22 2014 23:14 WaveofShadow wrote:On August 22 2014 23:13 KelsierSC wrote:On August 22 2014 23:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why is noone calling yamato mafia? are you calling him mafia? I gave him a town pass today because of his interaction with you. He said someething about not being able to read WoS that well but did bring up his early posting being fluffy and that felt like town to me. I think mafia would have just said "he has shit posted yeh" WARNING WARNING CONFIRMATION BIAS I'm not sure what you mean by that. The reason he feels town is he said he can't read you that well which I don't think a mafia would say. d1 pass acquired. Why wouldn't a mafia say this? There is no reason to say it, you can just give the read and cast a bigger aspersion if you don't preface it. He also felt town in his interactions, kind of chilled and relaxed. So I have multiple reasons to give him a town pass I kind of feel like GB has had a weak game since coming back and the awkward intro, like giving a "you gave your mafia partner a +4" like maybe that was a joke but I don't think anyone would truly believe that a mafia makes his partner top town right at the start of d1. I gave him an early town pass but I really don't like his play so far. I hate to break it to you but mafia often avoids giving concrete reads on people. Yep I understand that idea but his interactions felt genuine to me.
Curious why you think this, all of yamatos stuff at this point is one or two lines and theres no real analysis besides wave is guilty of the same thing kel is guilty of. Is that strong enough to really put into town pile and give a free pass today for you?
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It's actually pretty funny how this pattern goes. EVERY game I'm town (regardless of rayn's alignment) he pushes me at the beginning of the game. Then he drops it during D1. But when I'm scum (the earlier Titanic game etc.) he never pushes me at least early on. Well in Intrigue he did but I messed up pretty bad there.
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Oh, in Intrigue he didn't push me at first though. Only later on D1.
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On August 22 2014 23:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2014 23:15 IAmRobik wrote:On August 22 2014 23:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 22 2014 23:10 Xatalos wrote:
Btw rayn why no comment about my (admittedly experimental) heuristic on you or anything else? I'm honestly a bit surprised you'd not comment. I don't remember what you said because i do not think you are necessarily mafia any more. Because or but? I don't understand what you're trying to say. The only reason to not care about what someone's saying is if you think they're mafia. If you think he's town then you should care. To make it easier for you: he said that when you're helpful and aggro you're town. When you're not helpful you could be mafia Well JAT covered that already. I didn't think i should answer it anymore. I don't read posts from people who i think are town and who i consider "worthless" because it does not help me find mafia. Especially posts about me. Sorry Xatalos but i think you are quite worthless at the start of the game, maybe for smth like 15-20 first hours.
Same goes for Damdred. I do not read his posts properly until he starts posting properly. If that does not happen then my read might change.
Why are you so benevolent here to allow them to try to post more appropriate instead of actually push them?
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On August 22 2014 23:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2014 12:41 GlowingBear wrote:On August 22 2014 12:37 KelsierSC wrote:On August 22 2014 12:32 GlowingBear wrote:On August 22 2014 12:25 KelsierSC wrote:On August 22 2014 12:19 GlowingBear wrote:On August 22 2014 12:10 Damdred wrote:
@Gb you said most likely to be mafia out of those posted talk to me why its him (1)He is too aggressive page 1. Being aggressive is a town play, but being too aggressive with too little information sounds scummy to me or beginner's paranoia. I was like that when I was a newbie and I did that last game against Rayn when I was mafia. (2) his entrance is a tcontributing post which doesn't days much actually. He could be trying to look contributive while being mafia. (3) free town passes. He gave a town pass to Robik but didn't to WoS and they were in the same level of "rudeness". Tbh, those three items post on WoS were valid, but WoS is an easy target if you consider all those items already in the beginning of day 1. Being aggressive is basically how I get my reads as town. Apparently this counts as tryhard but if I am rubbing people the wrong way this early then that probably makes me town. The tryhard town read on me is correct. I already explained my town passes is a d1 style of mine it is easier d1 to give someone a town pass and see who is left. I also want to explain what was different about Robik and WoS. So robik was the first guy to basically say "you are stupid" which I actually read as town. only after Robik did WoS come at me and it was like just 3 nothing questions to derail town with. After that his rudeness was just almost like evasive and not contributing in anyway. stuff like posting a gif file, or asking for the SK to kill me. Recently he has been a bit more active but it almost feels forced. He basically asked everyone to give a scum read, an easy way to seem active. and then asked Gb about yamato, who has only said looooooool. Like I think there were better questions to ask. Bolded part is an okay explanation. I also said you have valid points regarding WoS, but it looks to early to push that hard. I understand you said it is your town play style, but I have to have my own interpretations of what you do. You can begin to ask better questions now, instead of WoS So for me I am waiting for some new players to kind of start playing and give an interpretation. I want yamato to give anything apart from his lol post. You won't get much from Yamato. Check the games he has played and you'll see that he is not talkative regardless his alignment. Can you tell me why do you feel I'm town? I guess you already said that but I didn't get it clearly. People who post these things always end up being mafia.
I share this sentiment. I don't know why, but mafia find it impossible to just accept an early town read without questioning it. Obviously town is afraid of being pocketed but they still like being called town because it means they are less likely to be mislynched. Plus townies automatically assume that they have done something townie to get town read whereas mafia have this guilty conscious about it
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On August 22 2014 23:36 Xatalos wrote:
Specifically I like that you mirrored my own notes in how GB felt towny early on and has fallen from grace a bit in the recent pages.
I want to punch you in the fucking face for saying something like that. I said this was a busy day for me. I even bolded it so you wouldn't skip that motherfucking post.
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On August 22 2014 23:42 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2014 23:32 KelsierSC wrote:On August 22 2014 23:30 justanothertownie wrote:On August 22 2014 23:26 KelsierSC wrote:On August 22 2014 23:18 justanothertownie wrote:On August 22 2014 23:17 KelsierSC wrote:On August 22 2014 23:14 WaveofShadow wrote:On August 22 2014 23:13 KelsierSC wrote:On August 22 2014 23:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why is noone calling yamato mafia? are you calling him mafia? I gave him a town pass today because of his interaction with you. He said someething about not being able to read WoS that well but did bring up his early posting being fluffy and that felt like town to me. I think mafia would have just said "he has shit posted yeh" WARNING WARNING CONFIRMATION BIAS I'm not sure what you mean by that. The reason he feels town is he said he can't read you that well which I don't think a mafia would say. d1 pass acquired. Why wouldn't a mafia say this? There is no reason to say it, you can just give the read and cast a bigger aspersion if you don't preface it. He also felt town in his interactions, kind of chilled and relaxed. So I have multiple reasons to give him a town pass I kind of feel like GB has had a weak game since coming back and the awkward intro, like giving a "you gave your mafia partner a +4" like maybe that was a joke but I don't think anyone would truly believe that a mafia makes his partner top town right at the start of d1. I gave him an early town pass but I really don't like his play so far. I hate to break it to you but mafia often avoids giving concrete reads on people. Yep I understand that idea but his interactions felt genuine to me. Curious why you think this, all of yamatos stuff at this point is one or two lines and theres no real analysis
So he seemed relaxed made a few jokes about the poem, solving the game etc. Had a good town vibe.
Then he said "I can't read WoS that well" but then "he seemed to be shit posting and complaining about derailing, whilst derailing" something like that. Now to me that is pretty town, obviously some people disagree but it feels town enough for a d1 pass. Yamato is not the lynch for me today
besides wave is guilty of the same thing kel is guilty of. Is that strong enough to really put into town pile and give a free pass today for you?
can you explain that in more detail I don't understand you.
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On August 22 2014 23:45 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2014 23:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 22 2014 23:15 IAmRobik wrote:On August 22 2014 23:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 22 2014 23:10 Xatalos wrote:
Btw rayn why no comment about my (admittedly experimental) heuristic on you or anything else? I'm honestly a bit surprised you'd not comment. I don't remember what you said because i do not think you are necessarily mafia any more. Because or but? I don't understand what you're trying to say. The only reason to not care about what someone's saying is if you think they're mafia. If you think he's town then you should care. To make it easier for you: he said that when you're helpful and aggro you're town. When you're not helpful you could be mafia Well JAT covered that already. I didn't think i should answer it anymore. I don't read posts from people who i think are town and who i consider "worthless" because it does not help me find mafia. Especially posts about me. Sorry Xatalos but i think you are quite worthless at the start of the game, maybe for smth like 15-20 first hours.
Same goes for Damdred. I do not read his posts properly until he starts posting properly. If that does not happen then my read might change. Why are you so benevolent here to allow them to try to post more appropriate instead of actually push them?
Because it does not help me finding mafia.
Why are you concerned about the fact someone townreads you? Are there no reasons to townread you?
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On August 22 2014 23:36 Xatalos wrote:
Specifically I like that you mirrored my own notes in how GB felt towny early on and has fallen from grace a bit in the recent pages.
Actually Xat everything I posted about besides the awkward re-entry was early in the thread and I had to re-read the filter to get to that point.
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On August 22 2014 23:47 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2014 23:36 Xatalos wrote:
Specifically I like that you mirrored my own notes in how GB felt towny early on and has fallen from grace a bit in the recent pages. I want to punch you in the fucking face for saying something like that. I said this was a busy day for me. I even bolded it so you wouldn't skip that motherfucking post.
What is this fake emotion cursing stuff? Who the fuck would get this angry?
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On August 22 2014 23:48 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2014 23:42 Damdred wrote:On August 22 2014 23:32 KelsierSC wrote:On August 22 2014 23:30 justanothertownie wrote:On August 22 2014 23:26 KelsierSC wrote:On August 22 2014 23:18 justanothertownie wrote:On August 22 2014 23:17 KelsierSC wrote:On August 22 2014 23:14 WaveofShadow wrote:On August 22 2014 23:13 KelsierSC wrote:On August 22 2014 23:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why is noone calling yamato mafia? are you calling him mafia? I gave him a town pass today because of his interaction with you. He said someething about not being able to read WoS that well but did bring up his early posting being fluffy and that felt like town to me. I think mafia would have just said "he has shit posted yeh" WARNING WARNING CONFIRMATION BIAS I'm not sure what you mean by that. The reason he feels town is he said he can't read you that well which I don't think a mafia would say. d1 pass acquired. Why wouldn't a mafia say this? There is no reason to say it, you can just give the read and cast a bigger aspersion if you don't preface it. He also felt town in his interactions, kind of chilled and relaxed. So I have multiple reasons to give him a town pass I kind of feel like GB has had a weak game since coming back and the awkward intro, like giving a "you gave your mafia partner a +4" like maybe that was a joke but I don't think anyone would truly believe that a mafia makes his partner top town right at the start of d1. I gave him an early town pass but I really don't like his play so far. I hate to break it to you but mafia often avoids giving concrete reads on people. Yep I understand that idea but his interactions felt genuine to me. Curious why you think this, all of yamatos stuff at this point is one or two lines and theres no real analysis So he seemed relaxed made a few jokes about the poem, solving the game etc. Had a good town vibe. Then he said "I can't read WoS that well" but then "he seemed to be shit posting and complaining about derailing, whilst derailing" something like that. Now to me that is pretty town, obviously some people disagree but it feels town enough for a d1 pass. Yamato is not the lynch for me today Show nested quote + besides wave is guilty of the same thing kel is guilty of. Is that strong enough to really put into town pile and give a free pass today for you? can you explain that in more detail I don't understand you.
If me or Hapa says "lynch yamato" you will lynch yamato and not secondguess it for a second. ok?
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