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On August 26 2014 20:18 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2014 20:15 KelsierSC wrote:On August 26 2014 20:11 Xatalos wrote:On August 26 2014 20:10 KelsierSC wrote:On August 26 2014 20:06 Xatalos wrote:On August 26 2014 20:02 KelsierSC wrote:On August 26 2014 19:59 Xatalos wrote:On August 26 2014 19:57 KelsierSC wrote:On August 26 2014 19:54 Xatalos wrote:On August 26 2014 19:50 KelsierSC wrote:
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1) your vote doesn't clear you at all. Firstly you were basically saying "let's kill yamato, who is noe clearly town, then when it was down to wire it was either you or Robik so you switching means fuck all.
2.3.4) All the same point. I responded to this many times. Your town play is not hard to mimic as scum, Most of what you write is meangingless confused waffle.
1) Damdred seems to believe that I could have saved myself by keeping to push yamato. I'm not 100% sure about that but I would certainly take that opportunity as scum (considering I was already under heavy suspicion and Robik wasn't even really suspected until then). Hapa+jat had sworn to keep me alive after all. 2) We must agree to disagree then. If it was so easy to mimic, I would play like this as scum. But I don't. I personally think Dam is wrong about that, looking at the votes it was between you and yamato and then people switched off YAM and onto Robik. so you had to switch to not die. There was a high chance that Hapa+jat would switch back to yamato to keep me alive though. meh that wasn't how I viewed it, they both switched onto robik with only about 30 seconds left and then you switched after them. Like I said the vote doesn't clear you at all. You basically just voted the other lynch target that wasn't yourself to avoid death. The fact that this has been explained multiple times to you but you still think it clears you as town is baffling. I don't think it necessarily clears me, as I already explained that I don't fully agree with Damdred's view of the situation. I think it was too chaotic to know the outcome for sure. I'm just saying that as scum I would have taken the risk of keeping my vote on yamato (Robik was GF and not really suspected until then, so he'd have better chances of staying alive and winning at LYLO - especially if he got a green Cop check or something). At least it should slightly improve your image of me. Not that it hugely matters to me what you think at this point since you're extremely tunneled. He was suspected he had the majority of the votes when you switched It wasn't based on a case or anything though. Just a coinflip because it felt like both me and yamato could be town. You had no real credibility you think in the remaining 20 seconds you make a powerful post that takes them back off Robik and onto yam. be real. it was 4 robik 3 on you when you switched, stop trying to use the votes for credibility it just makes you scummier. Whatever, I'm fine not talking about this topic. So you think Onegu is the best lynch today? Can you convince everyone of that? Because just voting him doesn't do that much.
Sure I will lay down my reasoning.
At this point the vote has to be between VA and Onegu.
I explained my reasons why the claim is genuine.
1)He was in a position where he did not have to fake claim.
2) He had easier outs if he was fake claiming
3) no CC
Then I look at the people pushing this vote. Hapa is a likely SK candidate, he wants to get rid of town at the moment. Xata is scummy as fuck and wants to ML town. GB and turtle I don't think they are reading the game very well at all.
I wonder how deep WoS analysed the claim, he said the claim was bad mainly because VA didn't use the cop role, if you look past that though WoS you can see that no mafia would claim this strangely.
All of that is in defence of the VA is the PR.
So then we come to Onegu. He showed up when people were scum reading rayn and threw some other dogshit onto the fire along with...wait it was Hapa and Xat again. obviously the reads were horse shit as rayn flipped VT. Then he disappears at the time he disappears I think the pressure was on rayn and then on yamato so he had no reason to interject as town was going to ML somehow.
So for Onegu he had a bad, BW read on town. . He disappeared when it appeared town was going down a bad path.
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On August 26 2014 20:28 Xatalos wrote:
I know for sure that I'd be sheeping KSC's views all game as scum. Such an easy ally to gain just by sheeping him.
don't insult me it takes more than sheeping a read for me to view you as town proof is in your own question.
as you state, why do I view WoS as town if he disagrees with me?
Read my filter I explain why WoS is town.
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Xata in my mind mafia fake claim just says he checked rayn. That was a perfectly reasonable person to check in the night,
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On August 26 2014 22:12 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2014 20:32 KelsierSC wrote:On August 26 2014 20:18 Xatalos wrote:On August 26 2014 20:15 KelsierSC wrote:On August 26 2014 20:11 Xatalos wrote:On August 26 2014 20:10 KelsierSC wrote:On August 26 2014 20:06 Xatalos wrote:On August 26 2014 20:02 KelsierSC wrote:On August 26 2014 19:59 Xatalos wrote:On August 26 2014 19:57 KelsierSC wrote:
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I personally think Dam is wrong about that, looking at the votes it was between you and yamato and then people switched off YAM and onto Robik. so you had to switch to not die. There was a high chance that Hapa+jat would switch back to yamato to keep me alive though. meh that wasn't how I viewed it, they both switched onto robik with only about 30 seconds left and then you switched after them. Like I said the vote doesn't clear you at all. You basically just voted the other lynch target that wasn't yourself to avoid death. The fact that this has been explained multiple times to you but you still think it clears you as town is baffling. I don't think it necessarily clears me, as I already explained that I don't fully agree with Damdred's view of the situation. I think it was too chaotic to know the outcome for sure. I'm just saying that as scum I would have taken the risk of keeping my vote on yamato (Robik was GF and not really suspected until then, so he'd have better chances of staying alive and winning at LYLO - especially if he got a green Cop check or something). At least it should slightly improve your image of me. Not that it hugely matters to me what you think at this point since you're extremely tunneled. He was suspected he had the majority of the votes when you switched It wasn't based on a case or anything though. Just a coinflip because it felt like both me and yamato could be town. You had no real credibility you think in the remaining 20 seconds you make a powerful post that takes them back off Robik and onto yam. be real. it was 4 robik 3 on you when you switched, stop trying to use the votes for credibility it just makes you scummier. Whatever, I'm fine not talking about this topic. So you think Onegu is the best lynch today? Can you convince everyone of that? Because just voting him doesn't do that much. Sure I will lay down my reasoning. (A) At this point the vote has to be between VA and Onegu.I explained my reasons why the claim is genuine. 1)He was in a position where he did not have to fake claim. 2) He had easier outs if he was fake claiming3) no CC Then I look at the people pushing this vote. (C)Hapa is a likely SK candidate, he wants to get rid of town at the moment. Xata is scummy as fuck and wants to ML town. (D)GB and turtle I don't think they are reading the game very well at all.I (E) wonder how deep WoS analysed the claim, he said the claim was bad mainly because VA didn't use the cop role, if you look past that though WoS you can see that no mafia would claim this strangely.All of that is in defence of the VA is the PR. So then we come to Onegu. He showed up when people were scum reading rayn and threw some other dogshit onto the fire along with...wait it was Hapa and Xat again. obviously the reads were horse shit as rayn flipped VT. Then he disappears at the time he disappears I think the pressure was on rayn and then on yamato so he had no reason to interject as town was going to ML somehow. So for Onegu he had a bad, BW read on town. . He disappeared when it appeared town was going down a bad path. A) I don't get why you assume one of they will be lynched. Easy targets. Are you trying to force us to believe we should lynch onegu? B) There was no easier out. If he claimed cop, he would be easily counter claimed by a possible cop. Who the hell would counter claim such a rare role as JOAT? C) Lol so you're hunting the SK instead of mafia, it seems. He probably is because he is not in your mafia qt right? D) you're trying to discredit our gameplay a lot. We are surely not playing this game well and I said that already, but when people talk about us they are trying to tell you that we are confirmed townies so it's easier to believe in our reads than to believe in someone suspicious. You're trying to discredit too much our gameplay. Is that because you're mafia and we were on the right path? E) This "no mafia would do" isn't good. Check my Arnie's game. ##Vote: KelsierSCYou're mafia.
Yeh you are fucking retarded or you just don't read properly.
Va or Onegu are the targets for the lynch, they seemed scummy and inactive D1, they were not there for deadline , they seemed happy to let town wonder, they did not vote on robik.
He can claim JoaT and say he checked rayn during the night. Like I have said this multiple times.
I am not "hunting" SK, but my top town don't trust Hapa I can believe he is the SK and I don't think SK would be wise to try and lynch mafia at this point. I KNOW SK DOES NOT KNOW if Va is mafia, but if sk is voting for VA it is more likely he thinks VA is town than mafia.
Your gameplay has been bad in my opinion. In the night you read rayn and me as scum, rayn flipped town and it is fairly obvious I am town. I don't even know what you are doing today.
firstly you think VA is mafia, then I hard defend VA. so you unvote Va thinking he is legit now and then say I am mafia?
If I am mafia I would just push on VA. you have no logic which is why I continue to think your gameplay is bad.
I don't check old games sorry, your logic in THIS GAME is just flawed
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On August 26 2014 22:33 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2014 22:22 KelsierSC wrote:On August 26 2014 22:12 GlowingBear wrote:On August 26 2014 20:32 KelsierSC wrote:On August 26 2014 20:18 Xatalos wrote:On August 26 2014 20:15 KelsierSC wrote:On August 26 2014 20:11 Xatalos wrote:On August 26 2014 20:10 KelsierSC wrote:On August 26 2014 20:06 Xatalos wrote:On August 26 2014 20:02 KelsierSC wrote:
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meh that wasn't how I viewed it, they both switched onto robik with only about 30 seconds left and then you switched after them. Like I said the vote doesn't clear you at all. You basically just voted the other lynch target that wasn't yourself to avoid death. The fact that this has been explained multiple times to you but you still think it clears you as town is baffling.
I don't think it necessarily clears me, as I already explained that I don't fully agree with Damdred's view of the situation. I think it was too chaotic to know the outcome for sure. I'm just saying that as scum I would have taken the risk of keeping my vote on yamato (Robik was GF and not really suspected until then, so he'd have better chances of staying alive and winning at LYLO - especially if he got a green Cop check or something). At least it should slightly improve your image of me. Not that it hugely matters to me what you think at this point since you're extremely tunneled. He was suspected he had the majority of the votes when you switched It wasn't based on a case or anything though. Just a coinflip because it felt like both me and yamato could be town. You had no real credibility you think in the remaining 20 seconds you make a powerful post that takes them back off Robik and onto yam. be real. it was 4 robik 3 on you when you switched, stop trying to use the votes for credibility it just makes you scummier. Whatever, I'm fine not talking about this topic. So you think Onegu is the best lynch today? Can you convince everyone of that? Because just voting him doesn't do that much. Sure I will lay down my reasoning. (A) At this point the vote has to be between VA and Onegu.I explained my reasons why the claim is genuine. 1)He was in a position where he did not have to fake claim. 2) He had easier outs if he was fake claiming3) no CC Then I look at the people pushing this vote. (C)Hapa is a likely SK candidate, he wants to get rid of town at the moment. Xata is scummy as fuck and wants to ML town. (D)GB and turtle I don't think they are reading the game very well at all.I (E) wonder how deep WoS analysed the claim, he said the claim was bad mainly because VA didn't use the cop role, if you look past that though WoS you can see that no mafia would claim this strangely.All of that is in defence of the VA is the PR. So then we come to Onegu. He showed up when people were scum reading rayn and threw some other dogshit onto the fire along with...wait it was Hapa and Xat again. obviously the reads were horse shit as rayn flipped VT. Then he disappears at the time he disappears I think the pressure was on rayn and then on yamato so he had no reason to interject as town was going to ML somehow. So for Onegu he had a bad, BW read on town. . He disappeared when it appeared town was going down a bad path. A) I don't get why you assume one of they will be lynched. Easy targets. Are you trying to force us to believe we should lynch onegu? B) There was no easier out. If he claimed cop, he would be easily counter claimed by a possible cop. Who the hell would counter claim such a rare role as JOAT? C) Lol so you're hunting the SK instead of mafia, it seems. He probably is because he is not in your mafia qt right? D) you're trying to discredit our gameplay a lot. We are surely not playing this game well and I said that already, but when people talk about us they are trying to tell you that we are confirmed townies so it's easier to believe in our reads than to believe in someone suspicious. You're trying to discredit too much our gameplay. Is that because you're mafia and we were on the right path? E) This "no mafia would do" isn't good. Check my Arnie's game. ##Vote: KelsierSCYou're mafia. Yeh you are fucking retarded or you just don't read properly. Va or Onegu are the targets for the lynch, they seemed scummy and inactive D1, they were not there for deadline , they seemed happy to let town wonder, they did not vote on robik. He can claim JoaT and say he checked rayn during the night. Like I have said this multiple times. I am not "hunting" SK, but my top town don't trust Hapa I can believe he is the SK and I don't think SK would be wise to try and lynch mafia at this point. I KNOW SK DOES NOT KNOW if Va is mafia, but if sk is voting for VA it is more likely he thinks VA is town than mafia. Your gameplay has been bad in my opinion. In the night you read rayn and me as scum, rayn flipped town and it is fairly obvious I am town. I don't even know what you are doing today. firstly you think VA is mafia, then I hard defend VA. so you unvote Va thinking he is legit now and then say I am mafia? If I am mafia I would just push on VA. you have no logic which is why I continue to think your gameplay is bad. I don't check old games sorry, your logic in THIS GAME is just flawed Btw you should fix this.
Xat old games to me are very important if I am part of them, because then I have a sense of how the game went and the timings of posts etc.
just going to a completed game cold doesn't really help as I was not part of the game,If I know in a game that someone was mafia then I look at all of the posts with that clouding my judgement. Furthermore some of my reads come from how people interact with me specifically.
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On August 26 2014 22:35 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2014 22:22 KelsierSC wrote:On August 26 2014 22:12 GlowingBear wrote:On August 26 2014 20:32 KelsierSC wrote:On August 26 2014 20:18 Xatalos wrote:On August 26 2014 20:15 KelsierSC wrote:On August 26 2014 20:11 Xatalos wrote:On August 26 2014 20:10 KelsierSC wrote:On August 26 2014 20:06 Xatalos wrote:On August 26 2014 20:02 KelsierSC wrote:
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meh that wasn't how I viewed it, they both switched onto robik with only about 30 seconds left and then you switched after them. Like I said the vote doesn't clear you at all. You basically just voted the other lynch target that wasn't yourself to avoid death. The fact that this has been explained multiple times to you but you still think it clears you as town is baffling.
I don't think it necessarily clears me, as I already explained that I don't fully agree with Damdred's view of the situation. I think it was too chaotic to know the outcome for sure. I'm just saying that as scum I would have taken the risk of keeping my vote on yamato (Robik was GF and not really suspected until then, so he'd have better chances of staying alive and winning at LYLO - especially if he got a green Cop check or something). At least it should slightly improve your image of me. Not that it hugely matters to me what you think at this point since you're extremely tunneled. He was suspected he had the majority of the votes when you switched It wasn't based on a case or anything though. Just a coinflip because it felt like both me and yamato could be town. You had no real credibility you think in the remaining 20 seconds you make a powerful post that takes them back off Robik and onto yam. be real. it was 4 robik 3 on you when you switched, stop trying to use the votes for credibility it just makes you scummier. Whatever, I'm fine not talking about this topic. So you think Onegu is the best lynch today? Can you convince everyone of that? Because just voting him doesn't do that much. Sure I will lay down my reasoning. (A) At this point the vote has to be between VA and Onegu.I explained my reasons why the claim is genuine. 1)He was in a position where he did not have to fake claim. 2) He had easier outs if he was fake claiming3) no CC Then I look at the people pushing this vote. (C)Hapa is a likely SK candidate, he wants to get rid of town at the moment. Xata is scummy as fuck and wants to ML town. (D)GB and turtle I don't think they are reading the game very well at all.I (E) wonder how deep WoS analysed the claim, he said the claim was bad mainly because VA didn't use the cop role, if you look past that though WoS you can see that no mafia would claim this strangely.All of that is in defence of the VA is the PR. So then we come to Onegu. He showed up when people were scum reading rayn and threw some other dogshit onto the fire along with...wait it was Hapa and Xat again. obviously the reads were horse shit as rayn flipped VT. Then he disappears at the time he disappears I think the pressure was on rayn and then on yamato so he had no reason to interject as town was going to ML somehow. So for Onegu he had a bad, BW read on town. . He disappeared when it appeared town was going down a bad path. A) I don't get why you assume one of they will be lynched. Easy targets. Are you trying to force us to believe we should lynch onegu? B) There was no easier out. If he claimed cop, he would be easily counter claimed by a possible cop. Who the hell would counter claim such a rare role as JOAT? C) Lol so you're hunting the SK instead of mafia, it seems. He probably is because he is not in your mafia qt right? D) you're trying to discredit our gameplay a lot. We are surely not playing this game well and I said that already, but when people talk about us they are trying to tell you that we are confirmed townies so it's easier to believe in our reads than to believe in someone suspicious. You're trying to discredit too much our gameplay. Is that because you're mafia and we were on the right path? E) This "no mafia would do" isn't good. Check my Arnie's game. ##Vote: KelsierSCYou're mafia. Yeh you are fucking retarded or you just don't read properly. Va or Onegu are the targets for the lynch, they seemed scummy and inactive D1, they were not there for deadline , they seemed happy to let town wonder, they did not vote on robik. He can claim JoaT and say he checked rayn during the night. Like I have said this multiple times. I am not "hunting" SK, but my top town don't trust Hapa I can believe he is the SK and I don't think SK would be wise to try and lynch mafia at this point. I KNOW SK DOES NOT KNOW if Va is mafia, but if sk is voting for VA it is more likely he thinks VA is town than mafia. Your gameplay has been bad in my opinion. In the night you read rayn and me as scum, rayn flipped town and it is fairly obvious I am town. I don't even know what you are doing today.firstly you think VA is mafia, then I hard defend VA. so you unvote Va thinking he is legit now and then say I am mafia? If I am mafia I would just push on VA. you have no logic which is why I continue to think your gameplay is bad. I don't check old games sorry, your logic in THIS GAME is just flawed I've already explained that the bolded was my trap card. It worked ok. Oh nevermind, you called me retarded, I will Unvote you now because you're right. ![[image loading]](http://37.media.tumblr.com/e4f28f57c44b2aca4f5dc2313a27045e/tumblr_miyx1jSmEv1qcakl4o1_400.gif)
What explanation I didn't see that at all
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Also
firstly you think VA is mafia, then I hard defend VA. so you unvote Va thinking he is legit now and then say I am mafia?
If I am mafia I would just push on VA. you have no logic which is why I continue to think your gameplay is bad.
I guess you didn't read this part or the other stuff I wrote that explains my reasons and blows your argument out the water.
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On August 26 2014 22:38 Damdred wrote:
Then how do you try to figure out Oneg?
I looked at his old town games and mafia games to better understand activity levels (even though wave said it was useless)
Oneg gave a BW read on rayn when the pressure was on rayn. rayn was town. He then disappeared at a time when town was going down the wrong path, (think town was looking at rayn or yam)
He wasn't there for deadline and hasn't posted anything at all. Super scummy.
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On August 26 2014 22:43 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2014 22:38 KelsierSC wrote:Also firstly you think VA is mafia, then I hard defend VA. so you unvote Va thinking he is legit now and then say I am mafia?
If I am mafia I would just push on VA. you have no logic which is why I continue to think your gameplay is bad. I guess you didn't read this part or the other stuff I wrote that explains my reasons and blows your argument out the water. If you're mafia you know he will be useless for now on as you probably have a roleblocker and you can always kill the confirmed town by night. It's more beneficial to mafia now to force a mislynch Onegu (as it looked like you were doing considering your post) and nullify a confirmed and useless (on reads) confirmed town by night. And as you're mafia, you KNOW he is town. Easy to hard defend him.
I don't think you can ever consider what I am doing as "trying to force a ML on Onegu", I gave solid reasons why he is scum none of my reasoning was flawed.
If i "push" on onegu and he is town that reflects badly on me. If I just quietly vote on VA with the rest of town and he dies then there is no suspicion on me at all because everyone thought he was mafia. I think I was the first person to hard defend VA and his claim. I had no reasons for this.
It is painful when confirmed town is this shit tier.
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On August 26 2014 22:50 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2014 22:37 KelsierSC wrote:On August 26 2014 22:35 GlowingBear wrote:On August 26 2014 22:22 KelsierSC wrote:On August 26 2014 22:12 GlowingBear wrote:On August 26 2014 20:32 KelsierSC wrote:On August 26 2014 20:18 Xatalos wrote:On August 26 2014 20:15 KelsierSC wrote:On August 26 2014 20:11 Xatalos wrote:On August 26 2014 20:10 KelsierSC wrote:
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He was suspected he had the majority of the votes when you switched
It wasn't based on a case or anything though. Just a coinflip because it felt like both me and yamato could be town. You had no real credibility you think in the remaining 20 seconds you make a powerful post that takes them back off Robik and onto yam. be real. it was 4 robik 3 on you when you switched, stop trying to use the votes for credibility it just makes you scummier. Whatever, I'm fine not talking about this topic. So you think Onegu is the best lynch today? Can you convince everyone of that? Because just voting him doesn't do that much. Sure I will lay down my reasoning. (A) At this point the vote has to be between VA and Onegu.I explained my reasons why the claim is genuine. 1)He was in a position where he did not have to fake claim. 2) He had easier outs if he was fake claiming3) no CC Then I look at the people pushing this vote. (C)Hapa is a likely SK candidate, he wants to get rid of town at the moment. Xata is scummy as fuck and wants to ML town. (D)GB and turtle I don't think they are reading the game very well at all.I (E) wonder how deep WoS analysed the claim, he said the claim was bad mainly because VA didn't use the cop role, if you look past that though WoS you can see that no mafia would claim this strangely.All of that is in defence of the VA is the PR. So then we come to Onegu. He showed up when people were scum reading rayn and threw some other dogshit onto the fire along with...wait it was Hapa and Xat again. obviously the reads were horse shit as rayn flipped VT. Then he disappears at the time he disappears I think the pressure was on rayn and then on yamato so he had no reason to interject as town was going to ML somehow. So for Onegu he had a bad, BW read on town. . He disappeared when it appeared town was going down a bad path. A) I don't get why you assume one of they will be lynched. Easy targets. Are you trying to force us to believe we should lynch onegu? B) There was no easier out. If he claimed cop, he would be easily counter claimed by a possible cop. Who the hell would counter claim such a rare role as JOAT? C) Lol so you're hunting the SK instead of mafia, it seems. He probably is because he is not in your mafia qt right? D) you're trying to discredit our gameplay a lot. We are surely not playing this game well and I said that already, but when people talk about us they are trying to tell you that we are confirmed townies so it's easier to believe in our reads than to believe in someone suspicious. You're trying to discredit too much our gameplay. Is that because you're mafia and we were on the right path? E) This "no mafia would do" isn't good. Check my Arnie's game. ##Vote: KelsierSCYou're mafia. Yeh you are fucking retarded or you just don't read properly. Va or Onegu are the targets for the lynch, they seemed scummy and inactive D1, they were not there for deadline , they seemed happy to let town wonder, they did not vote on robik. He can claim JoaT and say he checked rayn during the night. Like I have said this multiple times. I am not "hunting" SK, but my top town don't trust Hapa I can believe he is the SK and I don't think SK would be wise to try and lynch mafia at this point. I KNOW SK DOES NOT KNOW if Va is mafia, but if sk is voting for VA it is more likely he thinks VA is town than mafia. Your gameplay has been bad in my opinion. In the night you read rayn and me as scum, rayn flipped town and it is fairly obvious I am town. I don't even know what you are doing today.firstly you think VA is mafia, then I hard defend VA. so you unvote Va thinking he is legit now and then say I am mafia? If I am mafia I would just push on VA. you have no logic which is why I continue to think your gameplay is bad. I don't check old games sorry, your logic in THIS GAME is just flawed I've already explained that the bolded was my trap card. It worked ok. Oh nevermind, you called me retarded, I will Unvote you now because you're right. What explanation I didn't see that at all I threw random names at night with no readings at all. I thought me or Turtlevine was going to die. So if I posted suspicions that were right, I would probably be killed. If they were wrong, they would probably kill Turtlevine. But they killed Rayn and JAT. This can mean two things: 1) I was wrong on both players, mafia thought masons could have the same opinion and decided to kill a confirmed townie thr was probably on the right track. Tbh I'm impressed that town didn't check his filter yet and didn't try to figure out Robik's interactions on day one. I'm not doing it because I simply don't have the time 2) I was right on you being scum and you shot Rayn so I could do this town association with you. A little WIFOM but it fits my reads on you.
woops bad logic again, what a fucking surprise
Mafia killed JAT because everyone in the fucking game read him as town and he was so painfully obviously town.
SK killed rayn so that means absolutely nothing with regards to me being scum or not.
you didn't die because you were an obvious medic save (at the time it was unclear if there was a medic or not)
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On August 26 2014 22:53 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2014 22:50 GlowingBear wrote:On August 26 2014 22:37 KelsierSC wrote:On August 26 2014 22:35 GlowingBear wrote:On August 26 2014 22:22 KelsierSC wrote:On August 26 2014 22:12 GlowingBear wrote:On August 26 2014 20:32 KelsierSC wrote:On August 26 2014 20:18 Xatalos wrote:On August 26 2014 20:15 KelsierSC wrote:On August 26 2014 20:11 Xatalos wrote:
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It wasn't based on a case or anything though. Just a coinflip because it felt like both me and yamato could be town. You had no real credibility you think in the remaining 20 seconds you make a powerful post that takes them back off Robik and onto yam. be real. it was 4 robik 3 on you when you switched, stop trying to use the votes for credibility it just makes you scummier. Whatever, I'm fine not talking about this topic. So you think Onegu is the best lynch today? Can you convince everyone of that? Because just voting him doesn't do that much. Sure I will lay down my reasoning. (A) At this point the vote has to be between VA and Onegu.I explained my reasons why the claim is genuine. 1)He was in a position where he did not have to fake claim. 2) He had easier outs if he was fake claiming3) no CC Then I look at the people pushing this vote. (C)Hapa is a likely SK candidate, he wants to get rid of town at the moment. Xata is scummy as fuck and wants to ML town. (D)GB and turtle I don't think they are reading the game very well at all.I (E) wonder how deep WoS analysed the claim, he said the claim was bad mainly because VA didn't use the cop role, if you look past that though WoS you can see that no mafia would claim this strangely.All of that is in defence of the VA is the PR. So then we come to Onegu. He showed up when people were scum reading rayn and threw some other dogshit onto the fire along with...wait it was Hapa and Xat again. obviously the reads were horse shit as rayn flipped VT. Then he disappears at the time he disappears I think the pressure was on rayn and then on yamato so he had no reason to interject as town was going to ML somehow. So for Onegu he had a bad, BW read on town. . He disappeared when it appeared town was going down a bad path. A) I don't get why you assume one of they will be lynched. Easy targets. Are you trying to force us to believe we should lynch onegu? B) There was no easier out. If he claimed cop, he would be easily counter claimed by a possible cop. Who the hell would counter claim such a rare role as JOAT? C) Lol so you're hunting the SK instead of mafia, it seems. He probably is because he is not in your mafia qt right? D) you're trying to discredit our gameplay a lot. We are surely not playing this game well and I said that already, but when people talk about us they are trying to tell you that we are confirmed townies so it's easier to believe in our reads than to believe in someone suspicious. You're trying to discredit too much our gameplay. Is that because you're mafia and we were on the right path? E) This "no mafia would do" isn't good. Check my Arnie's game. ##Vote: KelsierSCYou're mafia. Yeh you are fucking retarded or you just don't read properly. Va or Onegu are the targets for the lynch, they seemed scummy and inactive D1, they were not there for deadline , they seemed happy to let town wonder, they did not vote on robik. He can claim JoaT and say he checked rayn during the night. Like I have said this multiple times. I am not "hunting" SK, but my top town don't trust Hapa I can believe he is the SK and I don't think SK would be wise to try and lynch mafia at this point. I KNOW SK DOES NOT KNOW if Va is mafia, but if sk is voting for VA it is more likely he thinks VA is town than mafia. Your gameplay has been bad in my opinion. In the night you read rayn and me as scum, rayn flipped town and it is fairly obvious I am town. I don't even know what you are doing today.firstly you think VA is mafia, then I hard defend VA. so you unvote Va thinking he is legit now and then say I am mafia? If I am mafia I would just push on VA. you have no logic which is why I continue to think your gameplay is bad. I don't check old games sorry, your logic in THIS GAME is just flawed I've already explained that the bolded was my trap card. It worked ok. Oh nevermind, you called me retarded, I will Unvote you now because you're right. What explanation I didn't see that at all I threw random names at night with no readings at all. I thought me or Turtlevine was going to die. So if I posted suspicions that were right, I would probably be killed. If they were wrong, they would probably kill Turtlevine. But they killed Rayn and JAT. This can mean two things: 1) I was wrong on both players, mafia thought masons could have the same opinion and decided to kill a confirmed townie thr was probably on the right track. Tbh I'm impressed that town didn't check his filter yet and didn't try to figure out Robik's interactions on day one. I'm not doing it because I simply don't have the time 2) I was right on you being scum and you shot Rayn so I could do this town association with you. A little WIFOM but it fits my reads on you. woops bad logic again, what a fucking surprise Mafia killed JAT because everyone in the fucking game read him as town and he was so painfully obviously town. SK killed rayn so that means absolutely nothing with regards to me being scum or not. you didn't die because you were an obvious medic save (at the time it was unclear if there was a medic or not)
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On August 26 2014 23:08 GlowingBear wrote:
Find me awkward interactions with Robik and scumreads given by JAT and I might consider changing my vote.
Help the retard here
JAT had onegu as a lynch target and called me town
It was hard for onegu to have awkward interactions with anyone let alone Robik as neither of them posted very much at all. Onegu had the BW bad read on rayn.
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On August 26 2014 23:15 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2014 23:11 Xatalos wrote:
This argument is a bit too WIFOM for my taste :/ The fact remains that KSC has pushed his own views really hard and appears to evaluate his reads constantly (although with some weird methods). I don't like how he disregards things like the meta towncase on me, but that's not enough to lynch him at all... He seems more misguided than pushing a mislynch on me. It is not the basis of my scumread on him. You know I've been pushing on him since his beginning (awkward entrance, town pass for Robik, now this post I've analysed). The WIFOM was secondary and now it looks useless with so much scenarios possible.
I see no evidence of you pushing me since the beginning
you voted Xat and then you voted Robik
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I threw random names at night with no readings at all
So how can you view me as scum.
I have countered all your arguments and shown they contain no logic. I still do not understand how you can see me as scum.
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On August 26 2014 22:12 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2014 20:32 KelsierSC wrote:On August 26 2014 20:18 Xatalos wrote:On August 26 2014 20:15 KelsierSC wrote:On August 26 2014 20:11 Xatalos wrote:On August 26 2014 20:10 KelsierSC wrote:On August 26 2014 20:06 Xatalos wrote:On August 26 2014 20:02 KelsierSC wrote:On August 26 2014 19:59 Xatalos wrote:On August 26 2014 19:57 KelsierSC wrote:
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I personally think Dam is wrong about that, looking at the votes it was between you and yamato and then people switched off YAM and onto Robik. so you had to switch to not die. There was a high chance that Hapa+jat would switch back to yamato to keep me alive though. meh that wasn't how I viewed it, they both switched onto robik with only about 30 seconds left and then you switched after them. Like I said the vote doesn't clear you at all. You basically just voted the other lynch target that wasn't yourself to avoid death. The fact that this has been explained multiple times to you but you still think it clears you as town is baffling. I don't think it necessarily clears me, as I already explained that I don't fully agree with Damdred's view of the situation. I think it was too chaotic to know the outcome for sure. I'm just saying that as scum I would have taken the risk of keeping my vote on yamato (Robik was GF and not really suspected until then, so he'd have better chances of staying alive and winning at LYLO - especially if he got a green Cop check or something). At least it should slightly improve your image of me. Not that it hugely matters to me what you think at this point since you're extremely tunneled. He was suspected he had the majority of the votes when you switched It wasn't based on a case or anything though. Just a coinflip because it felt like both me and yamato could be town. You had no real credibility you think in the remaining 20 seconds you make a powerful post that takes them back off Robik and onto yam. be real. it was 4 robik 3 on you when you switched, stop trying to use the votes for credibility it just makes you scummier. Whatever, I'm fine not talking about this topic. So you think Onegu is the best lynch today? Can you convince everyone of that? Because just voting him doesn't do that much. Sure I will lay down my reasoning. (A) At this point the vote has to be between VA and Onegu.I explained my reasons why the claim is genuine. 1)He was in a position where he did not have to fake claim. 2) He had easier outs if he was fake claiming3) no CC Then I look at the people pushing this vote. (C)Hapa is a likely SK candidate, he wants to get rid of town at the moment. Xata is scummy as fuck and wants to ML town. (D)GB and turtle I don't think they are reading the game very well at all.I (E) wonder how deep WoS analysed the claim, he said the claim was bad mainly because VA didn't use the cop role, if you look past that though WoS you can see that no mafia would claim this strangely.All of that is in defence of the VA is the PR. So then we come to Onegu. He showed up when people were scum reading rayn and threw some other dogshit onto the fire along with...wait it was Hapa and Xat again. obviously the reads were horse shit as rayn flipped VT. Then he disappears at the time he disappears I think the pressure was on rayn and then on yamato so he had no reason to interject as town was going to ML somehow. So for Onegu he had a bad, BW read on town. . He disappeared when it appeared town was going down a bad path. A) I don't get why you assume one of they will be lynched. Easy targets. Are you trying to force us to believe we should lynch onegu? B) There was no easier out. If he claimed cop, he would be easily counter claimed by a possible cop. Who the hell would counter claim such a rare role as JOAT? C) Lol so you're hunting the SK instead of mafia, it seems. He probably is because he is not in your mafia qt right? D) you're trying to discredit our gameplay a lot. We are surely not playing this game well and I said that already, but when people talk about us they are trying to tell you that we are confirmed townies so it's easier to believe in our reads than to believe in someone suspicious. You're trying to discredit too much our gameplay. Is that because you're mafia and we were on the right path? E) This "no mafia would do" isn't good. Check my Arnie's game. ##Vote: KelsierSCYou're mafia.
If this is an analysis post I don't actually see how any of your points shows I am mafia.
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On August 26 2014 23:21 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2014 23:19 KelsierSC wrote:On August 26 2014 23:15 GlowingBear wrote:On August 26 2014 23:11 Xatalos wrote:
This argument is a bit too WIFOM for my taste :/ The fact remains that KSC has pushed his own views really hard and appears to evaluate his reads constantly (although with some weird methods). I don't like how he disregards things like the meta towncase on me, but that's not enough to lynch him at all... He seems more misguided than pushing a mislynch on me. It is not the basis of my scumread on him. You know I've been pushing on him since his beginning (awkward entrance, town pass for Robik, now this post I've analysed). The WIFOM was secondary and now it looks useless with so much scenarios possible. I see no evidence of you pushing me since the beginning you voted Xat and then you voted Robik You said I threw random names at night with no readings at all So how can you view me as scum. I have countered all your arguments and shown they contain no logic. I still do not understand how you can see me as scum. When I say pushing I don't say voting. I say calling you scum and asking you questions. Anyway, I think your responses were okay but they don't throw my arguments against you away. Tell me what you think of hapa.
in D1 I gave him a town pass because he gave a read on rayn but then retracted when there was no major reason to retract, it felt like a towny thing. The read on rayn proved to be bad but a lot of people though rayn were scum.
I don't like his town meta read on Xata at all. I think you can just look at this game and see that Xata is scummy.
A lot of people I think are town seem to be saying that Hapa is not playing his usual town which lends me to think he could be the SK.
Another reason why he could be SK is that he can probably read Rayn quite well, he called him out to get a read on him, read him as town. Then called him town so that when rayn flipped it gives Hapa some credibility.
I think his voting on VA is probably because he thinks VA is town and wants to get him ML'd.
Overall right now, probably SK. Don't trust him
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On August 26 2014 23:22 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2014 23:19 KelsierSC wrote:On August 26 2014 23:15 GlowingBear wrote:On August 26 2014 23:11 Xatalos wrote:
This argument is a bit too WIFOM for my taste :/ The fact remains that KSC has pushed his own views really hard and appears to evaluate his reads constantly (although with some weird methods). I don't like how he disregards things like the meta towncase on me, but that's not enough to lynch him at all... He seems more misguided than pushing a mislynch on me. It is not the basis of my scumread on him. You know I've been pushing on him since his beginning (awkward entrance, town pass for Robik, now this post I've analysed). The WIFOM was secondary and now it looks useless with so much scenarios possible. I see no evidence of you pushing me since the beginning you voted Xat and then you voted Robik You said I threw random names at night with no readings at all So how can you view me as scum. I have countered all your arguments and shown they contain no logic. I still do not understand how you can see me as scum. Now you know how I feel, no? 
you haven't countered any of my points against you.
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On August 27 2014 00:03 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2014 23:27 KelsierSC wrote:On August 26 2014 23:22 Xatalos wrote:On August 26 2014 23:19 KelsierSC wrote:On August 26 2014 23:15 GlowingBear wrote:On August 26 2014 23:11 Xatalos wrote:
This argument is a bit too WIFOM for my taste :/ The fact remains that KSC has pushed his own views really hard and appears to evaluate his reads constantly (although with some weird methods). I don't like how he disregards things like the meta towncase on me, but that's not enough to lynch him at all... He seems more misguided than pushing a mislynch on me. It is not the basis of my scumread on him. You know I've been pushing on him since his beginning (awkward entrance, town pass for Robik, now this post I've analysed). The WIFOM was secondary and now it looks useless with so much scenarios possible. I see no evidence of you pushing me since the beginning you voted Xat and then you voted Robik You said I threw random names at night with no readings at all So how can you view me as scum. I have countered all your arguments and shown they contain no logic. I still do not understand how you can see me as scum. Now you know how I feel, no? you haven't countered any of my points against you. I think I've countered them many times already. It's your fault if you can't think properly.
"I made lots of posts" sick counter argument.
I'm not going to rehash here but you best have something better after this day phase.
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On August 27 2014 02:21 turtlevine wrote:
Our goal isn't to punish bad behavior or lynch people for making bad plays. Our goal is to lynch scum. You can say "this guy's play is bad and we should punish him for it", but that's not what we're trying to do here. Policy lynching is stupid. People like saying 'Too scummy to be scum'.
People like making a show of competence and virtue. They loudly declare that they use logic and reason to lynch people, that these things are the best. People strut around showing off their reasons and denying those of us who use our guts, each person one-upping the other, claiming their allegiance to the broken system like politicians each claiming to be more folksy than the last. It rings false to me.
"Too scummy to be scum" DOES exist. Something about this VA lynch has been gnawing at my gut all day, some intuition is telling me that we're not lynching scum here. It's a certain sense of unease resting on me, and it tells me that we shouldn't lynch him.
People agree with me. It's true. You all know that something is wrong about this lynch, but you want to appear logical. You're afraid to go with your gut, because if you're wrong, how can you defend yourself in the post game? IF you use logic and fail, you can blame VA or whoever. But if you use your gut and fail, you look silly.
I have no fear of looking silly. All I want is to win. I don't care about the post game.
Don't play that game. Play this one.
Lynch KSC.
you haven't explained at all why I am scum.
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On August 27 2014 02:28 turtlevine wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2014 02:25 WaveofShadow wrote:On August 27 2014 02:21 turtlevine wrote:
Our goal isn't to punish bad behavior or lynch people for making bad plays. Our goal is to lynch scum. You can say "this guy's play is bad and we should punish him for it", but that's not what we're trying to do here. Policy lynching is stupid. People like saying 'Too scummy to be scum'.
People like making a show of competence and virtue. They loudly declare that they use logic and reason to lynch people, that these things are the best. People strut around showing off their reasons and denying those of us who use our guts, each person one-upping the other, claiming their allegiance to the broken system like politicians each claiming to be more folksy than the last. It rings false to me.
"Too scummy to be scum" DOES exist. Something about this VA lynch has been gnawing at my gut all day, some intuition is telling me that we're not lynching scum here. It's a certain sense of unease resting on me, and it tells me that we shouldn't lynch him.
People agree with me. It's true. You all know that something is wrong about this lynch, but you want to appear logical. You're afraid to go with your gut, because if you're wrong, how can you defend yourself in the post game? IF you use logic and fail, you can blame VA or whoever. But if you use your gut and fail, you look silly.
I have no fear of looking silly. All I want is to win. I don't care about the post game.
Don't play that game. Play this one.
Lynch KSC. And now I know for sure you're not reading the game at all. How in the fuck do you get from my posting on VA that I'm policy lynching him for being stupid? WHY SHOULD WE BE LYNCHING KSC? Do you even KNOW your partner's reasons? Done with you. I'm saying that you're claiming to be lynching VA for good reasons, but you're mostly doing it because 1) youre KSC's scumbuddy (this is one prevailing theory in the mason qt), or 2) you're too tied up by your show of logical thinking to realize that VA is town. You can apologize to me after KSC flips scum.
You realise that GB's "analysis" was absolutely terrible, if you can point to something that was actually scummy I will dispute it but you are just posting nonsense about polticians and your "gut" honestly you just haven't been reading the thread at all.
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On August 27 2014 02:36 turtlevine wrote:
OK, let's not focus on my KSC vote right now, let's pretend I'm not voting KSC. My reason for unvoting VA is fine, right?
something was gnawing at you apparently, is that the reason?
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