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On August 25 2014 10:05 turtlevine wrote:Wow, they shot rayn. heh, looks like good news for me and gb. guess scum and sk tried not to overlap and got to fancy. Show nested quote +On August 25 2014 09:56 KelsierSC wrote:
Also turtle/GB
if you think I'm scum you can basically call Xat town. Saying he could be scum/sk but calling me scum is just shit I'm no longer reading what you're writing, because it is unpleasant to do so. Just noting that the last two scum don't have the same alignment, bro. There's nothing stopping your inconsistent logic from happening to coincidentally be right, so stop shitting a brick 
hopefully you read the previous post where I show your points against me are terrible.
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On August 25 2014 10:10 turtlevine wrote:
gb and I spend some time speculating,
breathing,
living,
waiting for death
we expected nothing but bullets, until we thought--
what is the position of the shooters?
obviously we must die.
Scum would shoot us.
but also, after losing one of their number, they dare not overlap. their hands tremble at the thought, torn between twin fears of our lives and deaths in singleton rather than paired.
ironic, then, that their fear is not death, but the waste of it, for every not-kill is another chance given to the town.
woefully, they turn their guns away from the confirmeds, each hoping the other has more courage than he.
and each finding himself alone
Hopefully you do a lot more as town this day.
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On August 25 2014 10:12 turtlevine wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2014 10:11 KelsierSC wrote:On August 25 2014 10:10 turtlevine wrote:
gb and I spend some time speculating,
breathing,
living,
waiting for death
we expected nothing but bullets, until we thought--
what is the position of the shooters?
obviously we must die.
Scum would shoot us.
but also, after losing one of their number, they dare not overlap. their hands tremble at the thought, torn between twin fears of our lives and deaths in singleton rather than paired.
ironic, then, that their fear is not death, but the waste of it, for every not-kill is another chance given to the town.
woefully, they turn their guns away from the confirmeds, each hoping the other has more courage than he.
and each finding himself alone Hopefully you do a lot more as town this day. oh, is someone salty about the outcome of the last night, or perhaps of the day previous? I hope the actions so far have not proven too grievous (to your cause) ##vote KelsierSC
You haven't responded to me destroying your entire argument
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On August 25 2014 10:13 turtlevine wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2014 10:11 Hapahauli wrote:Right after the deadline, after the flip, he apologizes to xat. Then he says Xat is town. Thats good. But then afterwards, he says, "xat could still be sk" and this is still kind of reasonable. He explicitly puts Xat in his town list, then moves him back to his scumlist, and isn't very clear on his reasons about this. this flipflopping on xat is very unusual. Either Xat is showing characteristics of an SK, or he isn't. None of this is in reference to things Xat did after the deadline, it's just KSC changing his opinion. It's plausible that this is a legitimate change of heart. GB and I do not think so. It appears opportunitistic. To be fair turtle, KSC changed his mind on Xat because I spent time pointing out that logical flaw in his opinion on Xat. Read the interaction (including my posts) then make up your mind. It seems like you just skimmed his filter and made a quick judgement. It was GB's idea, he didn't even explain why KSC was scum, or even mention the read in our Mason QT. I just felt like given that we might potentially both die, I have an obligation to write a case for him since he couldn't be around to write it himself. I did what I could! I'm sure he'll show up shortly with an even better case.
and that is enough to vote on me be fucking real
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On August 25 2014 10:17 Xatalos wrote:
Well here go my current thoughts in a quick summary:
Masons: GB, turtlevine
Probably town / not scum at least (possible SK?): Hapa, yamato, WOS, KSC
Lynch candidates: VA, Damdred, Onegu
Onegu was added to lynch candidates because his lurking is disturbing and his push on rayn was suspicious considering that he *should* be good at reading rayn, but he didn't really add much to the rayn case and disappeared for the lynch.
And now to sleep.
I think Dam is town.
I am only going to be voting on
Xat, Onegu or VA today. Everyone else is town.
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On August 25 2014 10:26 WaveofShadow wrote:
So you've got 2 scum and an SK in there?
Yeh I think so.
I will evaluate as the day progresses but I won't vote outside of those 3
For now I see everyone else as town.
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Here are my thoughts on the claim.
First point, is this a claim to his role?
On August 23 2014 01:03 VayneAuthority wrote:
also wave i have one question for you
there are three stones, one large, two small. The large one is concave and the smalls one are different in diameter by 1 cm. They are both arrowheads.
Which one do you throw through your neighbor's window?
So I think VA was pretty poor yesterday. He had a read on Dam which he gave after WoS had given it and then he voted on Dam. I gave him a town pass for this but he just left his random vote on Dam and didn't bother doing anything around deadline.
He then mentioned
I am some one that actually DOES read filters (90% of what I do when im around) could you point me to what you think is an insightful contribution so far? I'm more seeing just a lot of agreeableness and general wish washyness. Im not rayn here and challenging you to a gauntlet.
I don't see a great deal of filter diving and I have no analysis, I know a role tries to hide but I don't see any filter diving apart from some weak stuff on Yam and Hapa who are both probably town.
Another thing I didn't like was that he mentioned he was annoyed with how hapa "disrupted the game" or made "the thread go to shit" obviously hapa had the wrong read on rayn but I just don't like posts about "ahh the game has been ruined"
For me, he could just have been hiding as a role but he should have been more active especially around the deadline. He was never going to be a NK so he had no reason to disappear.
So then we come to the claim itself.
Firstly he had no reason to claim there. His "role block" revealed no useful information apart from Dam was not SK. There was pressure on him undoubtedly but if he had just given some decent reads and done some of the filter diving then it may have been enough to get us to look at other people.
Secondly. Why the hell use role block in that position. he was never going to be a NK so he could have had a really useful check on someone.
Thirdly. I think checking Dama was reasonable, he is a question mark for a lot of people but again I don't like you used RB.
Fourthly. I don't know how the math on roles work but I imagine jailkeeper, confirmed masons and then one more town power role is the likely case. In which case if anyone is a real role with a check then it might be worth coming out.
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Sorry in conclusion I am not sold on the claim at all
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On August 26 2014 01:51 turtlevine wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2014 01:47 WaveofShadow wrote:
Your comment is weird. Scum, whether hapa or not obviously didn't kill Rayn. But I don't think anyone thinks hapa is mafia anymore.
Do you have reason to, given the way the end of day went yesterday? what do you mean, scum didn't kill rayn? how did he die then, if not via scum? You think a vigi shot him?
SK, obviously
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On August 26 2014 01:56 turtlevine wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2014 01:51 KelsierSC wrote:On August 26 2014 01:51 turtlevine wrote:On August 26 2014 01:47 WaveofShadow wrote:
Your comment is weird. Scum, whether hapa or not obviously didn't kill Rayn. But I don't think anyone thinks hapa is mafia anymore.
Do you have reason to, given the way the end of day went yesterday? what do you mean, scum didn't kill rayn? how did he die then, if not via scum? You think a vigi shot him? SK, obviously "Sorry, there's no salt on this bagel, just NaCl"
I don't understand you at all
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Xat Could you give me a condensed version of how you read the game right now after the night kills and the VA claim?
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So I said I didn't like the way VA played yesterday and I really hated the claim which felt really bad.
But I pointed out with the roles that there is probably one town power role left, considering no one has counter claimed him then I don't see why we are so keen to lynch a PR.
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So Xat I know you think I tunneled on to you but I just want you to explain this reasoning to me.
In your notes you have your top town or unlynchables to include Dam, Yamato and WoS. Now all of these people kind of suspect Hapa to be SK and don't really like him at all.
Now also Hapa is lower on your town list and you yourself even suspect him as the SK.
So why do you want to lynch VA in this case when Hapa is pushing for it. Also considering there is no counter claim and you point out things that make the claim potentially genuine.
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On August 26 2014 06:26 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2014 06:18 KelsierSC wrote:
So Xat I know you think I tunneled on to you but I just want you to explain this reasoning to me.
In your notes you have your top town or unlynchables to include Dam, Yamato and WoS. Now all of these people kind of suspect Hapa to be SK and don't really like him at all.
Now also Hapa is lower on your town list and you yourself even suspect him as the SK.
So why do you want to lynch VA in this case when Hapa is pushing for it. Also considering there is no counter claim and you point out things that make the claim potentially genuine.
I only suspected him a bit. If I really suspected him, I'd be pushing to lynch him. Besides even if he's the SK he could certainly be pushing scum VA to be lynched (like he did with Robik earlier).
But your top town consider him to be SK more than a bit. Doesn't that make you pause for thought?
I think SK trying to lynch mafia in this case is highly unlikely
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On August 26 2014 06:31 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2014 06:28 KelsierSC wrote:On August 26 2014 06:26 Xatalos wrote:On August 26 2014 06:18 KelsierSC wrote:
So Xat I know you think I tunneled on to you but I just want you to explain this reasoning to me.
In your notes you have your top town or unlynchables to include Dam, Yamato and WoS. Now all of these people kind of suspect Hapa to be SK and don't really like him at all.
Now also Hapa is lower on your town list and you yourself even suspect him as the SK.
So why do you want to lynch VA in this case when Hapa is pushing for it. Also considering there is no counter claim and you point out things that make the claim potentially genuine.
I only suspected him a bit. If I really suspected him, I'd be pushing to lynch him. Besides even if he's the SK he could certainly be pushing scum VA to be lynched (like he did with Robik earlier). But your top town consider him to be SK more than a bit. Doesn't that make you pause for thought? I think SK trying to lynch mafia in this case is highly unlikely I don't think SK would be aiming to NK Mafia right now but I don't really see him risking himself to deflect a lynch on a potential scum. Doesn't sound very sensible.
I don't understand how the second part of your statement makes sense
Also I just don't understand how you can believe Hapa so much and vote on VA when your top town consider him the SK.
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On August 26 2014 06:37 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2014 06:35 KelsierSC wrote:On August 26 2014 06:31 Xatalos wrote:On August 26 2014 06:28 KelsierSC wrote:On August 26 2014 06:26 Xatalos wrote:On August 26 2014 06:18 KelsierSC wrote:
So Xat I know you think I tunneled on to you but I just want you to explain this reasoning to me.
In your notes you have your top town or unlynchables to include Dam, Yamato and WoS. Now all of these people kind of suspect Hapa to be SK and don't really like him at all.
Now also Hapa is lower on your town list and you yourself even suspect him as the SK.
So why do you want to lynch VA in this case when Hapa is pushing for it. Also considering there is no counter claim and you point out things that make the claim potentially genuine.
I only suspected him a bit. If I really suspected him, I'd be pushing to lynch him. Besides even if he's the SK he could certainly be pushing scum VA to be lynched (like he did with Robik earlier). But your top town consider him to be SK more than a bit. Doesn't that make you pause for thought? I think SK trying to lynch mafia in this case is highly unlikely I don't think SK would be aiming to NK Mafia right now but I don't really see him risking himself to deflect a lynch on a potential scum. Doesn't sound very sensible. I don't understand how the second part of your statement makes sense Also I just don't understand how you can believe Hapa so much and vote on VA when your top town consider him the SK. Because top town consider va scum too? The fuck? Why does it or SHOULD it have anything to do with what he thinks of hapa?
The point is the moment you decided to switch onto VA the topic of discussion was mostly about Hap being the SK. Which you had in your notes and which the top town believed to be true.
You pointed out some reasons why the claim might be genuine.
then hapa made another point about VA and you said
"oh yeh VA is probably the lynch"
And I just can't get my head around your logic. Hapa pushes for VA and you jump on it despite the fact that you defended the claim to an extent, and the top town believe Hapa is off.
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On August 26 2014 06:42 WaveofShadow wrote:
Oh wait, did you think you were talking to xat?
yes I did sorry
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On August 26 2014 06:44 WaveofShadow wrote:
I think in the end you need to stop using associative shit so much and decide who YOU think is scummy and vote for them.
If VA is scummy it shouldn't matter who else brought shit up.
I would like Xat to answer
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On August 26 2014 06:52 Damdred wrote:
Quick question statement:
Some of the thread won't lynch into a PR claim such as VAs when it does make a bit of sense. Why is it horrible here to CC him if you are blue? A 1:1 trade is not the worst thing when we already have confirmed other roles and mafia would be down to 1.
It is conceivable that the other PR has a check on rayn, which would not be surprising considering he was a question for a lot of people and was an unexpected NK.
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VA what did you mean by this?
On August 23 2014 01:03 VayneAuthority wrote:
also wave i have one question for you
there are three stones, one large, two small. The large one is concave and the smalls one are different in diameter by 1 cm. They are both arrowheads.
Which one do you throw through your neighbor's window?
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