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raynpelikoneet
Finland43266 Posts
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slOosh
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On August 29 2014 06:20 raynpelikoneet wrote: I do not agree with "lynching into rayn/Koshi was essential". In case i would have been a stubborn idiot i could have gotten Koshi lynched and that COULD have lost the game for the town. It was either me or Onegu who gets lynched on D4, otherwise bad. I don't really know how the game would have turned out in case Onegu had not made really bad night kills (Sn0, Koshi the second time). But i am sure in case Koshi had gotten lynched on D4 it would have been a disaster. I totally agree. It would have been ideal to lynch Onegu that day for sure and could have happened. It's just that the conflict had escalated to a degree that disengaging didn't seem likely, in which case lynching one of the parties might have been Like say it was a larger game with more scum members left. It's really scary / iffy to lynch outside the problem pair because 1) It's so hard to know who to trust especially when it's two town leaders arguing the other should be ignored / shut down completely, 2) Understanding their reads / case on a player is difficult with all the screaming (sure you can read their posts but you have to filter through them and even then you can't have a dialogue with them if you want to talk specific points etc.) 3) If you mess up the lynch, you have to deal with the pair next cycle. 4) Even if you hit a right lynch, the problem might still be there next cycle. Now as someone who has often had huge bouts with paranoia and clashed with multiple town leaders, I think one possible strategy is to do something like "hey let's suspend this thing between us for a cycle since it's not too good for thread atmosphere. Let's come up with a list of reads on each key player in the game (or remaining players if it is closer to endgame) and talk about that" That way, if you two are town you can wind down the energy and get discussion back on track. If the other guy is scum then he has to do lots of work making up stuff / you force him to take hard stances. Even if the other guy is scum, you still benefit since there is more room for discussion and maybe you can get him to talk about his teammates. Also, something quite relevant from the General Mafia Guide On January 09 2012 15:49 Incognito wrote: Don’t argue with your target. They are never going to agree with you, so you are just taking up space. If it appears that your target is convincing the town not to vote for them, re-evaluate. If you are still confident in your analysis, focus on convincing the other townies. You want to intimidate your target and convince the town, not the other way around. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On August 29 2014 06:20 raynpelikoneet wrote: ... I do not agree with "lynching into rayn/Koshi was essential". This is kinda missing the point though. It wasn't "essential" for town to lynch into either of you. Unfortunately, a situation was created where the idea of lynching one of you was so psychologically attractive, that even the host thought it tempting. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On August 28 2014 11:12 slOosh wrote: ... But only half of mafia is figuring out who is scum. The other half is convincing everyone else, and the way that we treat each other as players has an effect on the latter part. ... The goal of the town is to lynch mafia, In this game, the goal of some town players was to prove that they were "right." DO NOT confuse these two goals! The former wins games. The latter leads to dick-waving contests where players are more interested in stroking their egos than winning the game. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38797 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43266 Posts
On August 29 2014 07:42 Hapahauli wrote: SloOsh's analysis was on point, and I really hope people lean the core lesson of this game: The goal of the town is to lynch mafia, In this game, the goal of some town players was to prove that they were "right." DO NOT confuse these two goals! The former wins games. The latter leads to dick-waving contests where players are more interested in stroking their egos than winning the game. This is totally right and this is one thing that always makes me mad. Until the moment someone calls themselves the best palyer ever bcz i lynched this and this many scum and blabla and/or calls me bad it just makes me see red. And as always i prove them wrong by actually finding mafia (in sidelines at throwing shit back at them of course). | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43266 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43266 Posts
On August 29 2014 07:35 Hapahauli wrote: This is kinda missing the point though. It wasn't "essential" for town to lynch into either of you. Unfortunately, a situation was created where the idea of lynching one of you was so psychologically attractive, that even the host thought it tempting. Yes and that's why i said it was essential to lynch me (or Onegu). even i realized that and that's why i kinda "gave up" on the shitfest. I will not throw the game (and i really fucking wanted to at first this time). Now as someone who has often had huge bouts with paranoia and clashed with multiple town leaders, I think one possible strategy is to do something like "hey let's suspend this thing between us for a cycle since it's not too good for thread atmosphere. Let's come up with a list of reads on each key player in the game (or remaining players if it is closer to endgame) and talk about that" Yes this is correct. Funny thing is that's what Koshi did on D4 start. But before i was even able to respond to him he locked up his vote on me for some stupid reason... | ||
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