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ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
August 30 2014 03:10 GMT
#1041
On August 30 2014 11:09 batsnacks wrote:
I'm going to do a ritoky, only mine is right the first time:

Here is where I'm at:
[image loading]



First and foremost! This is me from LAST cell game TYVM! Get your facts straight! My spreadsheet this time was just who voted for who from which cell, not my opinions of them!

Second and secondmost! We are in vastly different locations if you believe bunnies is top town in that cell, as well as a couple of your other reads.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
August 30 2014 03:15 GMT
#1042
On August 30 2014 12:10 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2014 11:09 batsnacks wrote:
I'm going to do a ritoky, only mine is right the first time:

Here is where I'm at:
[image loading]



First and foremost! This is me from LAST cell game TYVM! Get your facts straight! My spreadsheet this time was just who voted for who from which cell, not my opinions of them!

Second and secondmost! We are in vastly different locations if you believe bunnies is top town in that cell, as well as a couple of your other reads.


First and foremost! We must be psychic twins or something.

Second and secondmost! Please say something about bunnies that will change my read, and please mention the other reads you don't agree with. I made that spreadsheet in about 45 seconds based on reading filters for 5 minutes.

Third and thirdmost! Please:
On August 30 2014 02:17 batsnacks wrote:
@ritoky how sure are you that I'm town, like how many percent? Also how many percent town is professor apathy? Finally, do you know who professor apathy's smurf is?

Thank you for your assistance in getting these issues resolved


ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
August 30 2014 03:19 GMT
#1043
Like wtf is dis stuff srsly, you're neutral on amiko?

I mean I can understand people not having the jesus read that I do on lilwade (cuz that guy is SO TOWN); but amiko you're neutral???? I am miffed, that guy is like my #2 town read behind lilwade. dude is like researching past games and acting direct questions and is actually one of the few people trying to do anything of value in this thread. how you neutral on the guy?

Breaking News: there can't be 2 mafia in a cell! (i.e. you view of cell D)

I don't get your reads at all. Damnred makes one post like 10 minutes before you post and WAM BAM THANK YOU MAM top 3 town read. Also, 2 of your 3 top town reads think I am the mafia in our cell for no real justifiable reason; yet you are unimpeachably stuck on BH, how dat make sense?

typing hurts, maybe i should keep doing it until it feels better, that works right?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
August 30 2014 03:24 GMT
#1044
On August 30 2014 12:19 ritoky wrote:
Like wtf is dis stuff srsly, you're neutral on amiko?

I mean I can understand people not having the jesus read that I do on lilwade (cuz that guy is SO TOWN); but amiko you're neutral???? I am miffed, that guy is like my #2 town read behind lilwade. dude is like researching past games and acting direct questions and is actually one of the few people trying to do anything of value in this thread. how you neutral on the guy?

Breaking News: there can't be 2 mafia in a cell! (i.e. you view of cell D)

I don't get your reads at all. Damnred makes one post like 10 minutes before you post and WAM BAM THANK YOU MAM top 3 town read. Also, 2 of your 3 top town reads think I am the mafia in our cell for no real justifiable reason; yet you are unimpeachably stuck on BH, how dat make sense?

typing hurts, maybe i should keep doing it until it feels better, that works right?


I think Amiko is town, I should have colored him green, but he's so green I almost don't want to give him credit.

Breaking news: there CAN be two mafia reads in a cell! It just means I think they are both scummy and I DON'T KNOW WHO IT IS. Doesn't mean there's two mafia in a cell.

Admittedly, I don't even understand my reads most of the time I make them. They are right more often than I understand them. But BH is mafia. Did you see the photo album he posted instead of "proving" I'm mafia, like he said he would?
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
August 30 2014 03:24 GMT
#1045
On August 30 2014 02:17 batsnacks wrote:
@ritoky how sure are you that I'm town, like how many percent? Also how many percent town is professor apathy? Finally, do you know who professor apathy's smurf is?

Thank you for your assistance in getting these issues resolved


Easy and easiest first: Apathy has posted who he is in the thread already or at least enough of a clue to where my dense ass got it. Also dat guy threw a fit in the exact same manner as someone I played with before did, so I kinda figured.

I honestly still don't know between you and BH at this point, you have moved to about 50-50 in my book. The difference being I don't really see any value in anything you've done or how it is beneficial in any way; whereas BH has a bunch of positives and a bunch of negatives that kinda land him at a net 0 for me. IF THERE WERE 3 SECONDS LEFT in the day, as of right now I would probably vote for BATSNACKS because I get the distinct gut feeling that this vote on BH is just too easy, especially with the speed in which it accumulated.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
August 30 2014 03:26 GMT
#1046
On August 30 2014 12:24 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2014 02:17 batsnacks wrote:
@ritoky how sure are you that I'm town, like how many percent? Also how many percent town is professor apathy? Finally, do you know who professor apathy's smurf is?

Thank you for your assistance in getting these issues resolved


Easy and easiest first: Apathy has posted who he is in the thread already or at least enough of a clue to where my dense ass got it. Also dat guy threw a fit in the exact same manner as someone I played with before did, so I kinda figured.

I honestly still don't know between you and BH at this point, you have moved to about 50-50 in my book. The difference being I don't really see any value in anything you've done or how it is beneficial in any way; whereas BH has a bunch of positives and a bunch of negatives that kinda land him at a net 0 for me. IF THERE WERE 3 SECONDS LEFT in the day, as of right now I would probably vote for BATSNACKS because I get the distinct gut feeling that this vote on BH is just too easy, especially with the speed in which it accumulated.


BTW, the only reason I would vote you, is because too many people voted BH too fast.
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
August 30 2014 03:27 GMT
#1047
On August 30 2014 12:26 batsnacks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2014 12:24 ritoky wrote:
On August 30 2014 02:17 batsnacks wrote:
@ritoky how sure are you that I'm town, like how many percent? Also how many percent town is professor apathy? Finally, do you know who professor apathy's smurf is?

Thank you for your assistance in getting these issues resolved


Easy and easiest first: Apathy has posted who he is in the thread already or at least enough of a clue to where my dense ass got it. Also dat guy threw a fit in the exact same manner as someone I played with before did, so I kinda figured.

I honestly still don't know between you and BH at this point, you have moved to about 50-50 in my book. The difference being I don't really see any value in anything you've done or how it is beneficial in any way; whereas BH has a bunch of positives and a bunch of negatives that kinda land him at a net 0 for me. IF THERE WERE 3 SECONDS LEFT in the day, as of right now I would probably vote for BATSNACKS because I get the distinct gut feeling that this vote on BH is just too easy, especially with the speed in which it accumulated.


BTW, the only reason I would vote you, is because too many people voted BH too fast.


right, wasn't dat shit weird?

but then again holyflare had this same mindset with my cell last game and he turned everyone around onto meapak....and i really don't wanna be like holyflare.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
August 30 2014 03:28 GMT
#1048
Rit, why are you so sure about lilwane?

In the thread so far he basically has no content. Didn't really do anything during the initial voteing for mayor overall. And even though he somewhat answered the question posed to him he dodged any analyisis he could make or

Its strange you would hard town read him, when he's been active in other games and absent here. So why the townread?
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
August 30 2014 03:30 GMT
#1049
On August 30 2014 12:27 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2014 12:26 batsnacks wrote:
On August 30 2014 12:24 ritoky wrote:
On August 30 2014 02:17 batsnacks wrote:
@ritoky how sure are you that I'm town, like how many percent? Also how many percent town is professor apathy? Finally, do you know who professor apathy's smurf is?

Thank you for your assistance in getting these issues resolved


Easy and easiest first: Apathy has posted who he is in the thread already or at least enough of a clue to where my dense ass got it. Also dat guy threw a fit in the exact same manner as someone I played with before did, so I kinda figured.

I honestly still don't know between you and BH at this point, you have moved to about 50-50 in my book. The difference being I don't really see any value in anything you've done or how it is beneficial in any way; whereas BH has a bunch of positives and a bunch of negatives that kinda land him at a net 0 for me. IF THERE WERE 3 SECONDS LEFT in the day, as of right now I would probably vote for BATSNACKS because I get the distinct gut feeling that this vote on BH is just too easy, especially with the speed in which it accumulated.


BTW, the only reason I would vote you, is because too many people voted BH too fast.


right, wasn't dat shit weird?

but then again holyflare had this same mindset with my cell last game and he turned everyone around onto meapak....and i really don't wanna be like holyflare.


Also ritoky you need to answer all the questions though. Do you know who professor apathy's smurf is? This is important, not because there's any chance I will switch my vote, but because I want to go through the proper motions.
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
August 30 2014 03:32 GMT
#1050
On August 30 2014 12:28 Damdred wrote:
Rit, why are you so sure about lilwane?

In the thread so far he basically has no content. Didn't really do anything during the initial voteing for mayor overall. And even though he somewhat answered the question posed to him he dodged any analyisis he could make or

Its strange you would hard town read him, when he's been active in other games and absent here. So why the townread?


yo read my filter, i splained dat shit for marv like 4 times.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
August 30 2014 03:33 GMT
#1051
On August 30 2014 12:30 batsnacks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2014 12:27 ritoky wrote:
On August 30 2014 12:26 batsnacks wrote:
On August 30 2014 12:24 ritoky wrote:
On August 30 2014 02:17 batsnacks wrote:
@ritoky how sure are you that I'm town, like how many percent? Also how many percent town is professor apathy? Finally, do you know who professor apathy's smurf is?

Thank you for your assistance in getting these issues resolved


Easy and easiest first: Apathy has posted who he is in the thread already or at least enough of a clue to where my dense ass got it. Also dat guy threw a fit in the exact same manner as someone I played with before did, so I kinda figured.

I honestly still don't know between you and BH at this point, you have moved to about 50-50 in my book. The difference being I don't really see any value in anything you've done or how it is beneficial in any way; whereas BH has a bunch of positives and a bunch of negatives that kinda land him at a net 0 for me. IF THERE WERE 3 SECONDS LEFT in the day, as of right now I would probably vote for BATSNACKS because I get the distinct gut feeling that this vote on BH is just too easy, especially with the speed in which it accumulated.


BTW, the only reason I would vote you, is because too many people voted BH too fast.


right, wasn't dat shit weird?

but then again holyflare had this same mindset with my cell last game and he turned everyone around onto meapak....and i really don't wanna be like holyflare.


Also ritoky you need to answer all the questions though. Do you know who professor apathy's smurf is? This is important, not because there's any chance I will switch my vote, but because I want to go through the proper motions.


Unless he is both lying about who he is in the thread, and my guess is incorrect; I am 98% certain of who he is. So my answer is yes.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
August 30 2014 03:39 GMT
#1052
On August 30 2014 12:33 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2014 12:30 batsnacks wrote:
On August 30 2014 12:27 ritoky wrote:
On August 30 2014 12:26 batsnacks wrote:
On August 30 2014 12:24 ritoky wrote:
On August 30 2014 02:17 batsnacks wrote:
@ritoky how sure are you that I'm town, like how many percent? Also how many percent town is professor apathy? Finally, do you know who professor apathy's smurf is?

Thank you for your assistance in getting these issues resolved


Easy and easiest first: Apathy has posted who he is in the thread already or at least enough of a clue to where my dense ass got it. Also dat guy threw a fit in the exact same manner as someone I played with before did, so I kinda figured.

I honestly still don't know between you and BH at this point, you have moved to about 50-50 in my book. The difference being I don't really see any value in anything you've done or how it is beneficial in any way; whereas BH has a bunch of positives and a bunch of negatives that kinda land him at a net 0 for me. IF THERE WERE 3 SECONDS LEFT in the day, as of right now I would probably vote for BATSNACKS because I get the distinct gut feeling that this vote on BH is just too easy, especially with the speed in which it accumulated.


BTW, the only reason I would vote you, is because too many people voted BH too fast.


right, wasn't dat shit weird?

but then again holyflare had this same mindset with my cell last game and he turned everyone around onto meapak....and i really don't wanna be like holyflare.


Also ritoky you need to answer all the questions though. Do you know who professor apathy's smurf is? This is important, not because there's any chance I will switch my vote, but because I want to go through the proper motions.


Unless he is both lying about who he is in the thread, and my guess is incorrect; I am 98% certain of who he is. So my answer is yes.


Again, I am just going through the motions:

You scum read apathy for:
+ Show Spoiler +

On August 29 2014 03:30 ritoky wrote:
Re: Apathy's campaign;

No one should ever vote for this guy. First and foremost, this quote:

Show nested quote +
On August 28 2014 08:12 Professor Apathy wrote:
I don't care about what's best for you. I care about what's funny for me


He has already indicated that he has no intention of doing anything beneficial for others or town victory at the sacrifice of his own fun. Especially if that is in regards to moving his own cell from last to anywhere else. A mindset like that determining something that can have great impact on the game will only lead to the detriment of women's rights and the town as a whole.

Further, there are some strange things about him that would ward me off otherwise. First, this guy has been like a sleazeball politician trying to get votes. He talks with people and they say "ah i would change this about that order", and then he does it and says "see i did it, vote for me!". I don't want such desperation in my leaders. Secondly, he had that strange unexplained comment early on about marv before marv had talked that wasn't explained. Thirdly, he has been calling group A a shitstorm non-stop but for no particular reason. To me it indicates that he knows something more about my group than I do. I look at my group and I don't particularly see some of the more rude/boisterous people I have played with on these forums so I can't think he is referring to that. So what the hell is he referring to? Seeing as how it is his primary justification for wanting the group early.

Re: Order of cells

I am pretty much at the same place that BH is at.

I think D and E are interchangeable for first and 2nd.

D is a miserable group with low participation rates and a bunch of smurfs; last time I was mayor I made the mistake of leaving that group until later and going for the 2 groups I felt were slam dunks early. It backfired badly, because they still didn't participate.

Group E seems way too straightforward to leave until anywhere past 2nd. Apathy has done some questionable things and his mind is in the gutter, but he has tried to be the center of attention which gives him back some town cred for me. Bunnies is being wayyyyyyy to similar to the last cell game. She wants her cell in the same place, she is making no effort to get involved in mayor race, she isn't screaming town; just a lot of things pointing to the same play style that was mafia last time. As for wade, that guy is town. Like my top town read. His entrance into the thread was just pure BALLS. His first full-fledged game and he does that? If he is mafia, he has pocketed me already.

As for the remaining order, BH proposes ABC. My only issue with that is C being last, and it really isn't my issue. A lot of people just say that scum Marv is super easy to read, and so in the event he is scum and everyone knows it early on; it would be shitty to have an easy scum read sitting at the end cuz we may not get to him. Currently I have no preference between the order of ABC as 3,4 and 5; other than I would prefer C not be 5.



According to your viewpoint, apathy is playing to have fun, doesn't care about town victory, doesn't care about anything, except his fun. And you scum read him for this.

Yet you town read me for, more or less, the same thing?

If I thought you were mafia over BH, this is what I would be pushing. I don't think you're mafia over BH, but regardless, what do you think? Lets just get it out of the way so I can feel better.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
August 30 2014 03:44 GMT
#1053
While i understand that you explained your reads earlier, surly there is some evolution of your read on lilwane.

I disagree that his first post was especially ballsy, and while i wouldn't svum read him on that. I would say he has been scummy in his abscense. I say this mainly for a few reasons. He's been active in his other games, decently active in fact. But his play here does not look like his newb games at all for the most part.

My first game i rolled scum here i made similary awkward posts, and then proceeded to lurk and hope i did not garner attention.

You do not think that is possible here? No misgivings just 100% town?
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
August 30 2014 03:45 GMT
#1054
In this thread:
people start to scumread batsnacks a little more, batsnacks actually starts trying.
hmmm.

Also lol @ Group D read
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ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
August 30 2014 03:50 GMT
#1055
On August 30 2014 12:39 batsnacks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2014 12:33 ritoky wrote:
On August 30 2014 12:30 batsnacks wrote:
On August 30 2014 12:27 ritoky wrote:
On August 30 2014 12:26 batsnacks wrote:
On August 30 2014 12:24 ritoky wrote:
On August 30 2014 02:17 batsnacks wrote:
@ritoky how sure are you that I'm town, like how many percent? Also how many percent town is professor apathy? Finally, do you know who professor apathy's smurf is?

Thank you for your assistance in getting these issues resolved


Easy and easiest first: Apathy has posted who he is in the thread already or at least enough of a clue to where my dense ass got it. Also dat guy threw a fit in the exact same manner as someone I played with before did, so I kinda figured.

I honestly still don't know between you and BH at this point, you have moved to about 50-50 in my book. The difference being I don't really see any value in anything you've done or how it is beneficial in any way; whereas BH has a bunch of positives and a bunch of negatives that kinda land him at a net 0 for me. IF THERE WERE 3 SECONDS LEFT in the day, as of right now I would probably vote for BATSNACKS because I get the distinct gut feeling that this vote on BH is just too easy, especially with the speed in which it accumulated.


BTW, the only reason I would vote you, is because too many people voted BH too fast.


right, wasn't dat shit weird?

but then again holyflare had this same mindset with my cell last game and he turned everyone around onto meapak....and i really don't wanna be like holyflare.


Also ritoky you need to answer all the questions though. Do you know who professor apathy's smurf is? This is important, not because there's any chance I will switch my vote, but because I want to go through the proper motions.


Unless he is both lying about who he is in the thread, and my guess is incorrect; I am 98% certain of who he is. So my answer is yes.


Again, I am just going through the motions:

You scum read apathy for:
+ Show Spoiler +

On August 29 2014 03:30 ritoky wrote:
Re: Apathy's campaign;

No one should ever vote for this guy. First and foremost, this quote:

Show nested quote +
On August 28 2014 08:12 Professor Apathy wrote:
I don't care about what's best for you. I care about what's funny for me


He has already indicated that he has no intention of doing anything beneficial for others or town victory at the sacrifice of his own fun. Especially if that is in regards to moving his own cell from last to anywhere else. A mindset like that determining something that can have great impact on the game will only lead to the detriment of women's rights and the town as a whole.

Further, there are some strange things about him that would ward me off otherwise. First, this guy has been like a sleazeball politician trying to get votes. He talks with people and they say "ah i would change this about that order", and then he does it and says "see i did it, vote for me!". I don't want such desperation in my leaders. Secondly, he had that strange unexplained comment early on about marv before marv had talked that wasn't explained. Thirdly, he has been calling group A a shitstorm non-stop but for no particular reason. To me it indicates that he knows something more about my group than I do. I look at my group and I don't particularly see some of the more rude/boisterous people I have played with on these forums so I can't think he is referring to that. So what the hell is he referring to? Seeing as how it is his primary justification for wanting the group early.

Re: Order of cells

I am pretty much at the same place that BH is at.

I think D and E are interchangeable for first and 2nd.

D is a miserable group with low participation rates and a bunch of smurfs; last time I was mayor I made the mistake of leaving that group until later and going for the 2 groups I felt were slam dunks early. It backfired badly, because they still didn't participate.

Group E seems way too straightforward to leave until anywhere past 2nd. Apathy has done some questionable things and his mind is in the gutter, but he has tried to be the center of attention which gives him back some town cred for me. Bunnies is being wayyyyyyy to similar to the last cell game. She wants her cell in the same place, she is making no effort to get involved in mayor race, she isn't screaming town; just a lot of things pointing to the same play style that was mafia last time. As for wade, that guy is town. Like my top town read. His entrance into the thread was just pure BALLS. His first full-fledged game and he does that? If he is mafia, he has pocketed me already.

As for the remaining order, BH proposes ABC. My only issue with that is C being last, and it really isn't my issue. A lot of people just say that scum Marv is super easy to read, and so in the event he is scum and everyone knows it early on; it would be shitty to have an easy scum read sitting at the end cuz we may not get to him. Currently I have no preference between the order of ABC as 3,4 and 5; other than I would prefer C not be 5.



According to your viewpoint, apathy is playing to have fun, doesn't care about town victory, doesn't care about anything, except his fun. And you scum read him for this.

Yet you town read me for, more or less, the same thing?

If I thought you were mafia over BH, this is what I would be pushing. I don't think you're mafia over BH, but regardless, what do you think? Lets just get it out of the way so I can feel better.


1) According to apathy himself, he explicitly stated he only cared about his own fun. Not my opinion, his words. Secondly, I believe I later revised my opinion of him to just having a shitty attitude, mostly because there can't be 2 mafia in a cell and bunnies seems to be emulating the last mafia game she had in cell. At least I did this in my head, not sure if I typed it.

2) Where did I town read you in the entire thread? I think at one point I said I thought BH was scummier than you, but that's about it. Hell, I just said I would vote your ass out if a gun was to my head. Also, what you were doing was less actively to the detriment of town in my opinion. There's a difference between useless and destructive.

3) A question to you: If BH is indeed mafia, do you think multiple of his mafia partners are already voting on him or do you think they are on me/not voted waiting to see what happens? Or do you have no fucking clue?


“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
August 30 2014 03:52 GMT
#1056
@bats, your post about % rit thinks you are town gives me an odd feeling currently. Why do you care so much about how much he thinks your town?

@Wave even when your town you are scum at heart forever
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
August 30 2014 03:55 GMT
#1057
On August 30 2014 12:50 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2014 12:39 batsnacks wrote:
On August 30 2014 12:33 ritoky wrote:
On August 30 2014 12:30 batsnacks wrote:
On August 30 2014 12:27 ritoky wrote:
On August 30 2014 12:26 batsnacks wrote:
On August 30 2014 12:24 ritoky wrote:
On August 30 2014 02:17 batsnacks wrote:
@ritoky how sure are you that I'm town, like how many percent? Also how many percent town is professor apathy? Finally, do you know who professor apathy's smurf is?

Thank you for your assistance in getting these issues resolved


Easy and easiest first: Apathy has posted who he is in the thread already or at least enough of a clue to where my dense ass got it. Also dat guy threw a fit in the exact same manner as someone I played with before did, so I kinda figured.

I honestly still don't know between you and BH at this point, you have moved to about 50-50 in my book. The difference being I don't really see any value in anything you've done or how it is beneficial in any way; whereas BH has a bunch of positives and a bunch of negatives that kinda land him at a net 0 for me. IF THERE WERE 3 SECONDS LEFT in the day, as of right now I would probably vote for BATSNACKS because I get the distinct gut feeling that this vote on BH is just too easy, especially with the speed in which it accumulated.


BTW, the only reason I would vote you, is because too many people voted BH too fast.


right, wasn't dat shit weird?

but then again holyflare had this same mindset with my cell last game and he turned everyone around onto meapak....and i really don't wanna be like holyflare.


Also ritoky you need to answer all the questions though. Do you know who professor apathy's smurf is? This is important, not because there's any chance I will switch my vote, but because I want to go through the proper motions.


Unless he is both lying about who he is in the thread, and my guess is incorrect; I am 98% certain of who he is. So my answer is yes.


Again, I am just going through the motions:

You scum read apathy for:
+ Show Spoiler +

On August 29 2014 03:30 ritoky wrote:
Re: Apathy's campaign;

No one should ever vote for this guy. First and foremost, this quote:

Show nested quote +
On August 28 2014 08:12 Professor Apathy wrote:
I don't care about what's best for you. I care about what's funny for me


He has already indicated that he has no intention of doing anything beneficial for others or town victory at the sacrifice of his own fun. Especially if that is in regards to moving his own cell from last to anywhere else. A mindset like that determining something that can have great impact on the game will only lead to the detriment of women's rights and the town as a whole.

Further, there are some strange things about him that would ward me off otherwise. First, this guy has been like a sleazeball politician trying to get votes. He talks with people and they say "ah i would change this about that order", and then he does it and says "see i did it, vote for me!". I don't want such desperation in my leaders. Secondly, he had that strange unexplained comment early on about marv before marv had talked that wasn't explained. Thirdly, he has been calling group A a shitstorm non-stop but for no particular reason. To me it indicates that he knows something more about my group than I do. I look at my group and I don't particularly see some of the more rude/boisterous people I have played with on these forums so I can't think he is referring to that. So what the hell is he referring to? Seeing as how it is his primary justification for wanting the group early.

Re: Order of cells

I am pretty much at the same place that BH is at.

I think D and E are interchangeable for first and 2nd.

D is a miserable group with low participation rates and a bunch of smurfs; last time I was mayor I made the mistake of leaving that group until later and going for the 2 groups I felt were slam dunks early. It backfired badly, because they still didn't participate.

Group E seems way too straightforward to leave until anywhere past 2nd. Apathy has done some questionable things and his mind is in the gutter, but he has tried to be the center of attention which gives him back some town cred for me. Bunnies is being wayyyyyyy to similar to the last cell game. She wants her cell in the same place, she is making no effort to get involved in mayor race, she isn't screaming town; just a lot of things pointing to the same play style that was mafia last time. As for wade, that guy is town. Like my top town read. His entrance into the thread was just pure BALLS. His first full-fledged game and he does that? If he is mafia, he has pocketed me already.

As for the remaining order, BH proposes ABC. My only issue with that is C being last, and it really isn't my issue. A lot of people just say that scum Marv is super easy to read, and so in the event he is scum and everyone knows it early on; it would be shitty to have an easy scum read sitting at the end cuz we may not get to him. Currently I have no preference between the order of ABC as 3,4 and 5; other than I would prefer C not be 5.



According to your viewpoint, apathy is playing to have fun, doesn't care about town victory, doesn't care about anything, except his fun. And you scum read him for this.

Yet you town read me for, more or less, the same thing?

If I thought you were mafia over BH, this is what I would be pushing. I don't think you're mafia over BH, but regardless, what do you think? Lets just get it out of the way so I can feel better.


1) According to apathy himself, he explicitly stated he only cared about his own fun. Not my opinion, his words. Secondly, I believe I later revised my opinion of him to just having a shitty attitude, mostly because there can't be 2 mafia in a cell and bunnies seems to be emulating the last mafia game she had in cell. At least I did this in my head, not sure if I typed it.

2) Where did I town read you in the entire thread? I think at one point I said I thought BH was scummier than you, but that's about it. Hell, I just said I would vote your ass out if a gun was to my head. Also, what you were doing was less actively to the detriment of town in my opinion. There's a difference between useless and destructive.

3) A question to you: If BH is indeed mafia, do you think multiple of his mafia partners are already voting on him or do you think they are on me/not voted waiting to see what happens? Or do you have no fucking clue?



In response to 3, you saw the spreadsheet post, that's where I'm at. If you're mafia I'll buy you flowers some day.
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
August 30 2014 03:56 GMT
#1058
On August 30 2014 12:44 Damdred wrote:
While i understand that you explained your reads earlier, surly there is some evolution of your read on lilwane.

I disagree that his first post was especially ballsy, and while i wouldn't svum read him on that. I would say he has been scummy in his abscense. I say this mainly for a few reasons. He's been active in his other games, decently active in fact. But his play here does not look like his newb games at all for the most part.

My first game i rolled scum here i made similary awkward posts, and then proceeded to lurk and hope i did not garner attention.

You do not think that is possible here? No misgivings just 100% town?


I think he is a lower activity level player (his filter in the other game isn't really extensive) who got caught in the unfortunate circumstance of having 2 games start simultaneously and is probably spread thin. He is choosing to devote attention moreso to the other game for whatever reason (probably the 0% threat of death in this game currently).

However if you read his post differently than I do, then there's not much to be done. I am a pretty bold player, especially of the newer players and I didn't even make that bold of an entry into my first full fledged game. The level of balls/boldness and to some degree to continued inactivity says to me he has nothing to lose. You may not see it that way, I do. He is town, I will go to my grave claiming that if I have to. I won't be swayed by anything, even pictures of him posting in a mafia LR.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
August 30 2014 03:58 GMT
#1059
On August 30 2014 12:55 batsnacks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2014 12:50 ritoky wrote:
On August 30 2014 12:39 batsnacks wrote:
On August 30 2014 12:33 ritoky wrote:
On August 30 2014 12:30 batsnacks wrote:
On August 30 2014 12:27 ritoky wrote:
On August 30 2014 12:26 batsnacks wrote:
On August 30 2014 12:24 ritoky wrote:
On August 30 2014 02:17 batsnacks wrote:
@ritoky how sure are you that I'm town, like how many percent? Also how many percent town is professor apathy? Finally, do you know who professor apathy's smurf is?

Thank you for your assistance in getting these issues resolved


Easy and easiest first: Apathy has posted who he is in the thread already or at least enough of a clue to where my dense ass got it. Also dat guy threw a fit in the exact same manner as someone I played with before did, so I kinda figured.

I honestly still don't know between you and BH at this point, you have moved to about 50-50 in my book. The difference being I don't really see any value in anything you've done or how it is beneficial in any way; whereas BH has a bunch of positives and a bunch of negatives that kinda land him at a net 0 for me. IF THERE WERE 3 SECONDS LEFT in the day, as of right now I would probably vote for BATSNACKS because I get the distinct gut feeling that this vote on BH is just too easy, especially with the speed in which it accumulated.


BTW, the only reason I would vote you, is because too many people voted BH too fast.


right, wasn't dat shit weird?

but then again holyflare had this same mindset with my cell last game and he turned everyone around onto meapak....and i really don't wanna be like holyflare.


Also ritoky you need to answer all the questions though. Do you know who professor apathy's smurf is? This is important, not because there's any chance I will switch my vote, but because I want to go through the proper motions.


Unless he is both lying about who he is in the thread, and my guess is incorrect; I am 98% certain of who he is. So my answer is yes.


Again, I am just going through the motions:

You scum read apathy for:
+ Show Spoiler +

On August 29 2014 03:30 ritoky wrote:
Re: Apathy's campaign;

No one should ever vote for this guy. First and foremost, this quote:

Show nested quote +
On August 28 2014 08:12 Professor Apathy wrote:
I don't care about what's best for you. I care about what's funny for me


He has already indicated that he has no intention of doing anything beneficial for others or town victory at the sacrifice of his own fun. Especially if that is in regards to moving his own cell from last to anywhere else. A mindset like that determining something that can have great impact on the game will only lead to the detriment of women's rights and the town as a whole.

Further, there are some strange things about him that would ward me off otherwise. First, this guy has been like a sleazeball politician trying to get votes. He talks with people and they say "ah i would change this about that order", and then he does it and says "see i did it, vote for me!". I don't want such desperation in my leaders. Secondly, he had that strange unexplained comment early on about marv before marv had talked that wasn't explained. Thirdly, he has been calling group A a shitstorm non-stop but for no particular reason. To me it indicates that he knows something more about my group than I do. I look at my group and I don't particularly see some of the more rude/boisterous people I have played with on these forums so I can't think he is referring to that. So what the hell is he referring to? Seeing as how it is his primary justification for wanting the group early.

Re: Order of cells

I am pretty much at the same place that BH is at.

I think D and E are interchangeable for first and 2nd.

D is a miserable group with low participation rates and a bunch of smurfs; last time I was mayor I made the mistake of leaving that group until later and going for the 2 groups I felt were slam dunks early. It backfired badly, because they still didn't participate.

Group E seems way too straightforward to leave until anywhere past 2nd. Apathy has done some questionable things and his mind is in the gutter, but he has tried to be the center of attention which gives him back some town cred for me. Bunnies is being wayyyyyyy to similar to the last cell game. She wants her cell in the same place, she is making no effort to get involved in mayor race, she isn't screaming town; just a lot of things pointing to the same play style that was mafia last time. As for wade, that guy is town. Like my top town read. His entrance into the thread was just pure BALLS. His first full-fledged game and he does that? If he is mafia, he has pocketed me already.

As for the remaining order, BH proposes ABC. My only issue with that is C being last, and it really isn't my issue. A lot of people just say that scum Marv is super easy to read, and so in the event he is scum and everyone knows it early on; it would be shitty to have an easy scum read sitting at the end cuz we may not get to him. Currently I have no preference between the order of ABC as 3,4 and 5; other than I would prefer C not be 5.



According to your viewpoint, apathy is playing to have fun, doesn't care about town victory, doesn't care about anything, except his fun. And you scum read him for this.

Yet you town read me for, more or less, the same thing?

If I thought you were mafia over BH, this is what I would be pushing. I don't think you're mafia over BH, but regardless, what do you think? Lets just get it out of the way so I can feel better.


1) According to apathy himself, he explicitly stated he only cared about his own fun. Not my opinion, his words. Secondly, I believe I later revised my opinion of him to just having a shitty attitude, mostly because there can't be 2 mafia in a cell and bunnies seems to be emulating the last mafia game she had in cell. At least I did this in my head, not sure if I typed it.

2) Where did I town read you in the entire thread? I think at one point I said I thought BH was scummier than you, but that's about it. Hell, I just said I would vote your ass out if a gun was to my head. Also, what you were doing was less actively to the detriment of town in my opinion. There's a difference between useless and destructive.

3) A question to you: If BH is indeed mafia, do you think multiple of his mafia partners are already voting on him or do you think they are on me/not voted waiting to see what happens? Or do you have no fucking clue?



In response to 3, you saw the spreadsheet post, that's where I'm at. If you're mafia I'll buy you flowers some day.


There are 3 certainties in life:
1) death
2) taxes
3) ritoky rolls town on TL mafia
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
August 30 2014 03:59 GMT
#1060
On August 30 2014 12:58 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2014 12:55 batsnacks wrote:
On August 30 2014 12:50 ritoky wrote:
On August 30 2014 12:39 batsnacks wrote:
On August 30 2014 12:33 ritoky wrote:
On August 30 2014 12:30 batsnacks wrote:
On August 30 2014 12:27 ritoky wrote:
On August 30 2014 12:26 batsnacks wrote:
On August 30 2014 12:24 ritoky wrote:
On August 30 2014 02:17 batsnacks wrote:
@ritoky how sure are you that I'm town, like how many percent? Also how many percent town is professor apathy? Finally, do you know who professor apathy's smurf is?

Thank you for your assistance in getting these issues resolved


Easy and easiest first: Apathy has posted who he is in the thread already or at least enough of a clue to where my dense ass got it. Also dat guy threw a fit in the exact same manner as someone I played with before did, so I kinda figured.

I honestly still don't know between you and BH at this point, you have moved to about 50-50 in my book. The difference being I don't really see any value in anything you've done or how it is beneficial in any way; whereas BH has a bunch of positives and a bunch of negatives that kinda land him at a net 0 for me. IF THERE WERE 3 SECONDS LEFT in the day, as of right now I would probably vote for BATSNACKS because I get the distinct gut feeling that this vote on BH is just too easy, especially with the speed in which it accumulated.


BTW, the only reason I would vote you, is because too many people voted BH too fast.


right, wasn't dat shit weird?

but then again holyflare had this same mindset with my cell last game and he turned everyone around onto meapak....and i really don't wanna be like holyflare.


Also ritoky you need to answer all the questions though. Do you know who professor apathy's smurf is? This is important, not because there's any chance I will switch my vote, but because I want to go through the proper motions.


Unless he is both lying about who he is in the thread, and my guess is incorrect; I am 98% certain of who he is. So my answer is yes.


Again, I am just going through the motions:

You scum read apathy for:
+ Show Spoiler +

On August 29 2014 03:30 ritoky wrote:
Re: Apathy's campaign;

No one should ever vote for this guy. First and foremost, this quote:

Show nested quote +
On August 28 2014 08:12 Professor Apathy wrote:
I don't care about what's best for you. I care about what's funny for me


He has already indicated that he has no intention of doing anything beneficial for others or town victory at the sacrifice of his own fun. Especially if that is in regards to moving his own cell from last to anywhere else. A mindset like that determining something that can have great impact on the game will only lead to the detriment of women's rights and the town as a whole.

Further, there are some strange things about him that would ward me off otherwise. First, this guy has been like a sleazeball politician trying to get votes. He talks with people and they say "ah i would change this about that order", and then he does it and says "see i did it, vote for me!". I don't want such desperation in my leaders. Secondly, he had that strange unexplained comment early on about marv before marv had talked that wasn't explained. Thirdly, he has been calling group A a shitstorm non-stop but for no particular reason. To me it indicates that he knows something more about my group than I do. I look at my group and I don't particularly see some of the more rude/boisterous people I have played with on these forums so I can't think he is referring to that. So what the hell is he referring to? Seeing as how it is his primary justification for wanting the group early.

Re: Order of cells

I am pretty much at the same place that BH is at.

I think D and E are interchangeable for first and 2nd.

D is a miserable group with low participation rates and a bunch of smurfs; last time I was mayor I made the mistake of leaving that group until later and going for the 2 groups I felt were slam dunks early. It backfired badly, because they still didn't participate.

Group E seems way too straightforward to leave until anywhere past 2nd. Apathy has done some questionable things and his mind is in the gutter, but he has tried to be the center of attention which gives him back some town cred for me. Bunnies is being wayyyyyyy to similar to the last cell game. She wants her cell in the same place, she is making no effort to get involved in mayor race, she isn't screaming town; just a lot of things pointing to the same play style that was mafia last time. As for wade, that guy is town. Like my top town read. His entrance into the thread was just pure BALLS. His first full-fledged game and he does that? If he is mafia, he has pocketed me already.

As for the remaining order, BH proposes ABC. My only issue with that is C being last, and it really isn't my issue. A lot of people just say that scum Marv is super easy to read, and so in the event he is scum and everyone knows it early on; it would be shitty to have an easy scum read sitting at the end cuz we may not get to him. Currently I have no preference between the order of ABC as 3,4 and 5; other than I would prefer C not be 5.



According to your viewpoint, apathy is playing to have fun, doesn't care about town victory, doesn't care about anything, except his fun. And you scum read him for this.

Yet you town read me for, more or less, the same thing?

If I thought you were mafia over BH, this is what I would be pushing. I don't think you're mafia over BH, but regardless, what do you think? Lets just get it out of the way so I can feel better.


1) According to apathy himself, he explicitly stated he only cared about his own fun. Not my opinion, his words. Secondly, I believe I later revised my opinion of him to just having a shitty attitude, mostly because there can't be 2 mafia in a cell and bunnies seems to be emulating the last mafia game she had in cell. At least I did this in my head, not sure if I typed it.

2) Where did I town read you in the entire thread? I think at one point I said I thought BH was scummier than you, but that's about it. Hell, I just said I would vote your ass out if a gun was to my head. Also, what you were doing was less actively to the detriment of town in my opinion. There's a difference between useless and destructive.

3) A question to you: If BH is indeed mafia, do you think multiple of his mafia partners are already voting on him or do you think they are on me/not voted waiting to see what happens? Or do you have no fucking clue?



In response to 3, you saw the spreadsheet post, that's where I'm at. If you're mafia I'll buy you flowers some day.


There are 3 certainties in life:
1) death
2) taxes
3) ritoky rolls town on TL mafia


4) I'll buy you flowers if you're mafia
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