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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
August 29 2014 14:51 GMT
#781
i've played iwth BH more than anyone else in this game?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
August 29 2014 14:54 GMT
#782
Amiko
Oatsmaster
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
August 29 2014 14:55 GMT
#783
On August 29 2014 23:51 marvellosity wrote:
i've played iwth BH more than anyone else in this game?

So does scum bh give up?
No gg, No skill.
Amiko
Profile Joined February 2014
United States1725 Posts
August 29 2014 15:02 GMT
#784
On August 29 2014 14:00 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2014 12:45 Amiko wrote:
On August 29 2014 11:36 Oatsmaster wrote:
Lol that's totally not a slip though amiko.
You never explained how his pregame stand is town favored and how his in game stand is scum favored.
You didn't do jack shit about showing how that contradiction makes him scum, just cherry picked something that 'looks' bad but actually isn't. Try harder for the mislynch please.


Everything you said here is pretty awful so I'll take a minute to address it-.

It doesn't matter whether his pregame stance is townfavored and his ingame stance is scum favored. Pregame he said one strategy was the best, but ingame he proposes the opposite.
I didn't say that made him scum, and I didn't vote for him. If you had read my next posts you'd see that I was looking at ritoky and batsnacks. It's something to bring up, see how BH responds, and then make reads accordingly.

If you found that post worth commenting on, why don't you weigh in on the way that batsnacks / marvellosity / WaveofShadow / Apathy voted for BH and their explanation (or lack thereof)?

Come on dude,
Show nested quote +
Btw, the fact that the post I put above on Blazinghand is super obvious and also 2 of the first 4 posts of his filter makes me think that the people who were voting for him didn't read his filter at all.

this post obviously means that you think its scummy and that hes scum.
You are just avoiding taking a stand because its 'suspicious'.
In fact, your pussyfooting around the lynch is really weird considering you appear to have made your decision and are just waiting for the right time and feel to vote. Or want to wait for a better candidate to appear.

Again this.
Show nested quote +
batsnacks, marvellosity, WaveofShadow, and Professor Apathy all voted for Blazinghand without really making an argument or noting the (what I think was fairly obvious) slip. Does this mean anything to you on their alignment?


You think that the slip is a reason to vote for BH. Therefore the slip is scummy. You maintain the stance that you dont really know who is scum.
Inconsistent.


The inconsistency from Blazinghand is a reason to vote for him. But it's not the only thing I'm thinking about and I certainly didn't conclude 100% scum from that post.
Btw, here's another post (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/445571-doctor-who-mafia-2?page=130#2582) which is a bit similar - in that game I'm town, I point out phrasing by hopeless1der that looks like a mafia slip in the context of the game. However, I do not find him the most scummy player and instead nuke kitaman27. I point this out because the context is the same (someone does something that seems like a blatant slip, but I do not put a ton of reliability on it... I even used the same :| face).
Anyway there's more I have to say about BH, I'll do that in a minute
Amiko
Profile Joined February 2014
United States1725 Posts
August 29 2014 15:03 GMT
#785
@BlazingHand
Why do you seem so upset about town not following your proposed lynch order when the order selected is almost the same as your proposed lynch order?
Amiko
Profile Joined February 2014
United States1725 Posts
August 29 2014 15:06 GMT
#786
Oh... or are you less upset about not following the lynch order and more that you didn't get credit for it?
I'm a little confused by your post here
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/463542-cell-mini-mafia-iii?page=37#736
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
August 29 2014 15:13 GMT
#787
On August 30 2014 00:12 slOosh wrote:
Day 2 Vote count:

Blazinghand (5): batsnacks, marvellosity, WaveofShadow, Professor Apathy, Holyflare
batsnacks (1): Oatsmaster
Ritoky (0):

to vote here.

WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
August 29 2014 15:13 GMT
#788
Marv why did you ever think amiko was scum?
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
27ninjabunnies
Profile Joined April 2014
United States2486 Posts
August 29 2014 15:17 GMT
#789
Why is BH above Ritoky?

Because I trust other people's reads on BH rather than my own. I've played 1 game with BH. Some people here have tens, twenties of games with BH.

I've played many games with Ritoky. While I agree this is not his town play I'm used to seeing, I ALWAYS read ritoky wrong. Seriously, in every game I've played with him, I've read him wrong. I've stated this, that maybe I should just flip my read on him. However, I won't deny that he is scummy, which is why he is second over bs.

I suspect the secret of personal attraction is locked up in our unique imperfections, flaws and frailties.~Hugh Mackay
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
August 29 2014 15:19 GMT
#790
On August 30 2014 00:13 WaveofShadow wrote:
Marv why did you ever think amiko was scum?

all his posts bored me
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
August 29 2014 15:24 GMT
#791
And you thought it possible for him to be bussing BH until recently?
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
August 29 2014 15:25 GMT
#792
why not?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
August 29 2014 15:26 GMT
#793
one of the main issues that town faces is mafia in later cells (maybe 3-5) managing to position themselves well because they have perfect info. one of the things about the Cell format.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Professor Apathy
Profile Joined August 2014
Spain151 Posts
August 29 2014 15:27 GMT
#794
On August 29 2014 08:35 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2014 08:34 Professor Apathy wrote:
On August 29 2014 08:33 marvellosity wrote:
On August 29 2014 08:30 Professor Apathy wrote:
Well I have a gutread on WoS (who's in your group) so far being town and I'm got you I don't like you right now... I'll take a nap over this to make sure I'm not just saying so because I'm mad for being in 2nd position. Also there's really no point in discussion HF's group right now when he isn't due to until cycle 4.

While obviously it isn't the main topic, in general i don't really agree with the sentiment; the more you narrow the focus the easier it is to hide.

generally i'm a fan of townies talking about as much relevant stuff as possible.

yeah in general I'd agree but not on day1 of this game with this group.

why? you have so much to talk about regarding this group?

Mostly speaking for myself. Group A is one that could make it hard for me to focus, with all 3 of them having the ability to annoy me so much that I just want to lynch them no matter what. So I have to keep my focus on that and not be distracted.
Also because I don't have time to do anything the first 24 hours (except for right now and the next 30 minutes).

On August 29 2014 10:34 Amiko wrote:
@Professor Apathy & marvellosity:

Show nested quote +
On August 29 2014 07:12 Professor Apathy wrote:
I tend do agree. batsnacks and ritoky come off as misguided, yet townish people.
BH on the other hand hasn't made me think he's town. So from a process of elimination point of view it's BH right now.


Show nested quote +
On August 29 2014 07:18 marvellosity wrote:
On August 29 2014 07:12 Professor Apathy wrote:
I tend do agree. batsnacks and ritoky come off as misguided, yet townish people.
BH on the other hand hasn't made me think he's town. So from a process of elimination point of view it's BH right now.

i have nothing to add to this


What about batsnacks seems misguided?
Practically the only thing of substance I see from him is that he voted Blazinghand, who you also voted for.
How is it misguided if you agree with him?

I mostly used the term misguided to abstain from using other words. They're both the kind of guys I wouldn't dare to listen to in the slightest. Yes they can be right by coincidence or wrong for the same reason but I really don't trust a thing any of those 2 says. It was 1 am around that time, and yes I usually don't feel like explaining more than I did at 1 am in the morning thus resulting in light chatter that gave you an idea about my thought without explaining them in detail in 2 short lines. If you can do it better in 2 lines be my guest and coach me.

As for the other question (why group C easy). I know Marv for some time now. He can read me like a book, which also was a reason I wanted to be placed 5th, to tell him "go ahead and read me as much as you want, I don't have anything to hide" and equally I think I'm good at reading him. Same goes for Oats though I'm not as confident with him as with Marv but I'd bet VE's balls on Oats alignment if given 2 or 3 days to figure it out.

Other than that I haven't read everything from this cycle yet. The 30 minutes I mentioned above I just spent on reading and typing this.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
August 29 2014 15:29 GMT
#795
Because aside from amiko's posting actually being good, I don't see him completely nailing BH to the wall with a slip. He's not me.

Like even were BH to come back and fight, you don't come back from hard evidence like that. Just seems really weird to me that you could be reading amiko as scum at all despite that.

twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
Amiko
Profile Joined February 2014
United States1725 Posts
August 29 2014 15:33 GMT
#796
@WaveofShadow:
On August 29 2014 13:27 WaveofShadow wrote:
Do you think apathy or marv are scum?


On August 29 2014 14:23 WaveofShadow wrote:
If marv's was a defence then it's purely chainsaw because he barely makes mention of MM1 at all. So yes, intriguing I suppose especially since he took back the 'bolded' comment after.

As far as amiko I read him pretty strongly as town so far, though I should ask (if you're still here amiko)---you seem to have more to say regarding MM1 than anyone else so far especially since you're not even in his cell. What's the deal with that?


I don't actually feel like I have said (or have much) to say on MM1 yet - basically, I just feel like he'd be the easiest target in your group because he doesn't scream town when he's town. Since there was sentiment that your cell was solved, I wanted to point out that it may not be so easy. I haven't actually reviewed MM's games though, so what Holyflare was saying regarding his posting style may be correct, I probably won't look at MM's history until later in the game though.

I mention this because I figure that among marv & oats, I'd think they'd be more likely to try to mislynch me than each other since I have less experience in the game. And, if they remember any experience with me, the only game we played together, Catastrophe, I did not appear towny at all (to be fair, it wasn't in my interest to appear towny).
That said, oats' post on me feels more scummy since he seems to be misconstruing my comments in a way to present me as mafia. If I had to pick right now, I'd say oats is the scum in our cell.

As for apathy, I'm really not sure but I had a pretty good feeling on him D1 despite some posts that I disagreed with (putting Cell E at the end, for example). For Cell E, I think I need to talk to bunnies more to get a good sense of her.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
August 29 2014 15:35 GMT
#797
it doesn't nail him to the wall (although obviously it doesn't look good), and I could see that.

shrug. What you find weird about me Wave, I don't really care :>
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Professor Apathy
Profile Joined August 2014
Spain151 Posts
August 29 2014 15:38 GMT
#798
On August 30 2014 00:27 Professor Apathy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2014 08:35 marvellosity wrote:
On August 29 2014 08:34 Professor Apathy wrote:
On August 29 2014 08:33 marvellosity wrote:
On August 29 2014 08:30 Professor Apathy wrote:
Well I have a gutread on WoS (who's in your group) so far being town and I'm got you I don't like you right now... I'll take a nap over this to make sure I'm not just saying so because I'm mad for being in 2nd position. Also there's really no point in discussion HF's group right now when he isn't due to until cycle 4.

While obviously it isn't the main topic, in general i don't really agree with the sentiment; the more you narrow the focus the easier it is to hide.

generally i'm a fan of townies talking about as much relevant stuff as possible.

yeah in general I'd agree but not on day1 of this game with this group.

why? you have so much to talk about regarding this group?

Mostly speaking for myself. Group A is one that could make it hard for me to focus, with all 3 of them having the ability to annoy me so much that I just want to lynch them no matter what. So I have to keep my focus on that and not be distracted.
Also because I don't have time to do anything the first 24 hours (except for right now and the next 30 minutes).

Show nested quote +
On August 29 2014 10:34 Amiko wrote:
@Professor Apathy & marvellosity:

On August 29 2014 07:12 Professor Apathy wrote:
I tend do agree. batsnacks and ritoky come off as misguided, yet townish people.
BH on the other hand hasn't made me think he's town. So from a process of elimination point of view it's BH right now.


On August 29 2014 07:18 marvellosity wrote:
On August 29 2014 07:12 Professor Apathy wrote:
I tend do agree. batsnacks and ritoky come off as misguided, yet townish people.
BH on the other hand hasn't made me think he's town. So from a process of elimination point of view it's BH right now.

i have nothing to add to this


What about batsnacks seems misguided?
Practically the only thing of substance I see from him is that he voted Blazinghand, who you also voted for.
How is it misguided if you agree with him?

I mostly used the term misguided to abstain from using other words. They're both the kind of guys I wouldn't dare to listen to in the slightest. Yes they can be right by coincidence or wrong for the same reason but I really don't trust a thing any of those 2 says. It was 1 am around that time, and yes I usually don't feel like explaining more than I did at 1 am in the morning thus resulting in light chatter that gave you an idea about my thought without explaining them in detail in 2 short lines. If you can do it better in 2 lines be my guest and coach me.

As for the other question (why group C easy). I know Marv for some time now. He can read me like a book, which also was a reason I wanted to be placed 5th, to tell him "go ahead and read me as much as you want, I don't have anything to hide" and equally I think I'm good at reading him. Same goes for Oats though I'm not as confident with him as with Marv but I'd bet VE's balls on Oats alignment if given 2 or 3 days to figure it out.

Other than that I haven't read everything from this cycle yet. The 30 minutes I mentioned above I just spent on reading and typing this.

Also because I just realized I left the part about agreeing with BH out. At the time when I wrote my statement he just posted that some seconds ago. I read the result and agreed with the result. I didn't actually pay attention to what he wrote in that statement because I didn't care about his opinion in that matter (again 1am in the morning). So really, that didn't factor in at all.
Amiko
Profile Joined February 2014
United States1725 Posts
August 29 2014 15:44 GMT
#799
On August 29 2014 17:06 Holyflare wrote:
Amiko whenever you return: why were you questioning my order like it was something i changed when I've pasted the order I'm doing several times over? Also it's the order you were originally ok with iirc (maybe a and d were switched which would be even weirder).

I feel like your questions don't really lead to anything alignment indicative, especially as I'd already elaborated why i did the order i did. Is there something you were looking for?


I was disappointed because there were essentially two choices you left open for yourself (Spot 1/2 as E or A, Spot 4/5 as C or B) and you picked the order I didn't want in both cases. This doesn't make me think you are scum, but it made me consider that electing a mayor who leaves options open in a vote is not town favored - IMO the mayoral election should essentially be voting for an order, not voting for a person, but leaving some things to your discretion make it more voting for a person.
That said, I agree it probably doesn't lead anywhere alignment indicative and to be honest I don't care about it that much right now anyway.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
August 29 2014 15:54 GMT
#800
That said, oats' post on me feels more scummy since he seems to be misconstruing my comments in a way to present me as mafia. If I had to pick right now, I'd say oats is the scum in our cell.

whatttt, im just saying what you mean man, its not my fault its really bad.

Amiko
Oatsmaster

get a pair of balls marv and bold me.
I DARE YOU. I DOUBLE DARE YOU.
No gg, No skill.
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