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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On September 06 2014 03:27 MysteryMeat1 wrote: Welk thats game, Just going to go on record Bh, bunnies, hf, marv as mafia. Ill apologize to town for not following my earlier scum reads @Amiko, and wos why are you voting for me? if you think BH is mafia, you really shouldn't think i am mafia. | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
It's in my filter. There are simply more reasons for you to be scum than town, and the opposite for HF | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
On September 06 2014 03:29 Holyflare wrote: Like they haven't said it already???? You literally just have to read the thread instead of this boo hoo i lose crap. If you're town you literally have to spend your last few hours showing people why wave is mafia This is your only out right now | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
Yeah that's not happening so it's not really much of an out, now is it? He'd do better continually trying to lynch you since oats is already helping lol | ||
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MysteryMeat1
United States3292 Posts
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Amiko
United States1725 Posts
On September 06 2014 03:27 MysteryMeat1 wrote: Welk thats game, Just going to go on record Bh, bunnies, hf, marv as mafia. Ill apologize to town for not following my earlier scum reads @Amiko, and wos why are you voting for me? I'll try to break it down as much as possible- I put a post earlier talking about why I feel WoS is probably town, so I'll try to just comment on him briefly here and then focus on you and Holyflare. I think WoS is probably town as outlined here - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/463542-cell-mini-mafia-iii?page=96#1915. Of these points, I think his vote movement and posts D2 are probably what convinced me more than his responses. Honestly, I think there's probably an argument that WoS's vote posts are scummy. He's often indicating a willingness to move between Blazinghand and Batsnacks - it's clear that his vote is up in the air. But, his responses at each post tend to ring true to me... I guess I just wouldn't expect him to have a strong firm at those points in the game, so it doesn't trouble me that he didn't. Anyway, I started writing on WoS to make a comparison. Comparing your posts (MM1) to WoS, I feel like some posts seem unnatural and unlike what a player would usually do, or reflect that your reads aren't what they say they are. The one-minute difference in where you were voting is an example of this (Oats' comment that he was sheeping marv is another example, I think, though it doesn't bear on you.) Another example would be this post- On September 02 2014 16:12 MysteryMeat1 wrote: im liking this day so far http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22888549 Like, at this point there's maybe one and a half posts with content in them for the day... what is there to like? To be clear, I'm not saying that you are scum because you said you liked the day. I can't even tell if you are serious or joking in that post. It just seems off. Let's compare you to WoS in another way. When Holyflare does a trap sort of thing for WoS, WaveofShadow sees this as something that is (probably) town from Holyflare. He notes that it's possible Holyflare is meta-ing him, or using a trap because he knows Wave will read him as town, etc., but WoS brings up something most players would probably read HF as town for on a day when he and HF are up for lynch. Further, WoS gives him a mostly town read for trying to scumhunt him. Compare this to your reaction to Holyflare trying to bury you for the "slip" post regarding bunnies as a partner. Your overall response is that HF is lying, misrepresenting, throwing scum on you, etc. This is a little more nuanced (I could try to talk about my reaction to Oats earlier in the game to flesh this out, for example), but overall the point I'm getting at is that you don't seem to believe that Holyflare could be misguided town, you feel that he is mafia who knows he is lying and misrepresenting you. I'll try to write more but I'm in and out of meetings today and since deadline is approaching it's good to get a few ideas out | ||
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MysteryMeat1
United States3292 Posts
Anyway i doubt both of you will move their votes which means the games over | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
MysteryMeat1 (4): Holyflare, WaveofShadow, Amiko, marvellosity Holyflare (2): Oatsmaster, MysteryMeat1 to vote here. | ||
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MysteryMeat1
United States3292 Posts
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MysteryMeat1
United States3292 Posts
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Amiko
United States1725 Posts
-- I don't blame you for not seeing HF as misguided town now since he's basically gone for the throat on you since yesterday. I guess it just struck me as weird that you didn't consider seem to consider it earlier? It seems to me that both WaveofShadow and Holyflare seemed to feel you were scummy from D1 (after the interaction involving the trap) so clearly at least one town was suspecting you - why HF and not WoS at that point (before HF attacked you as much as he has now)? | ||
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MysteryMeat1
United States3292 Posts
The one interaction where the three of us posted, the one where WoS admitts to misreading, but Hf is convinced that what i wrote only makes sense if i was mafia with bunnies. Also just now, i really hate HF logic that the first two cells where between two 50/50's. He's not thinking about the fact that apathy or ritoky could also have been mafia as well. @Marv: if BH is mafia, it could have been distancing, and i don't think you pushed hard enough to get him lynched. | ||
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MysteryMeat1
United States3292 Posts
@WoS: like there is no way this is marv's town game. And the fact that HF gives bs reason for marv not playing which means he's not going to read him earlier is dumb as fuck. If oats and I are mafia together then i doubt oats comes out first to defend me. | ||
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Amiko
United States1725 Posts
My understanding of this is that you are saying you think Toad is town because if he was mafia, he would make a case on bunnies. Wave questions what you mean, and Holyflare says it may be because as mafia, you would know bunnies is mafia and feel like Toad could make a case on her. Your point is that: If Holyflare believes the explanation he is providing (you and bunnies are mafia), and we have reason to believe he does (because he believes you are mafia), then he should have voted for bunnies. Is that a good summation? | ||
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Amiko
United States1725 Posts
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Amiko
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MysteryMeat1
United States3292 Posts
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Amiko
United States1725 Posts
 seeing soon | ||
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Amiko
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