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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
September 05 2014 18:34 GMT
#2021
On September 06 2014 03:27 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
Welk thats game,

Just going to go on record

Bh, bunnies, hf, marv as mafia. Ill apologize to town for not following my earlier scum reads

@Amiko, and wos why are you voting for me?

if you think BH is mafia, you really shouldn't think i am mafia.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
September 05 2014 18:35 GMT
#2022
What stuff have i ignored? The only thing that's happened from you today is pushing me and that is scummy.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
September 05 2014 18:38 GMT
#2023
I've already explained why I've voted for you.
It's in my filter.
There are simply more reasons for you to be scum than town, and the opposite for HF
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
September 05 2014 18:39 GMT
#2024
On September 06 2014 03:29 Holyflare wrote:
Like they haven't said it already???? You literally just have to read the thread instead of this boo hoo i lose crap. If you're town you literally have to spend your last few hours showing people why wave is mafia


This is your only out right now
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
September 05 2014 18:42 GMT
#2025
On September 06 2014 03:39 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2014 03:29 Holyflare wrote:
Like they haven't said it already???? You literally just have to read the thread instead of this boo hoo i lose crap. If you're town you literally have to spend your last few hours showing people why wave is mafia


This is your only out right now

Yeah that's not happening so it's not really much of an out, now is it?
He'd do better continually trying to lynch you since oats is already helping lol
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
MysteryMeat1
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States3292 Posts
September 05 2014 18:43 GMT
#2026
inb4 i get scumread for switching my vote before deadline
"Cause ya know, Style before victory." -The greatest mafia player alive
Amiko
Profile Joined February 2014
United States1725 Posts
September 05 2014 20:07 GMT
#2027
On September 06 2014 03:27 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
Welk thats game,

Just going to go on record

Bh, bunnies, hf, marv as mafia. Ill apologize to town for not following my earlier scum reads

@Amiko, and wos why are you voting for me?


I'll try to break it down as much as possible- I put a post earlier talking about why I feel WoS is probably town, so I'll try to just comment on him briefly here and then focus on you and Holyflare.
I think WoS is probably town as outlined here - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/463542-cell-mini-mafia-iii?page=96#1915. Of these points, I think his vote movement and posts D2 are probably what convinced me more than his responses.
Honestly, I think there's probably an argument that WoS's vote posts are scummy. He's often indicating a willingness to move between Blazinghand and Batsnacks - it's clear that his vote is up in the air. But, his responses at each post tend to ring true to me... I guess I just wouldn't expect him to have a strong firm at those points in the game, so it doesn't trouble me that he didn't.

Anyway, I started writing on WoS to make a comparison. Comparing your posts (MM1) to WoS, I feel like some posts seem unnatural and unlike what a player would usually do, or reflect that your reads aren't what they say they are. The one-minute difference in where you were voting is an example of this (Oats' comment that he was sheeping marv is another example, I think, though it doesn't bear on you.)

Another example would be this post-
On September 02 2014 16:12 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
im liking this day so far

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22888549
Like, at this point there's maybe one and a half posts with content in them for the day... what is there to like?

To be clear, I'm not saying that you are scum because you said you liked the day. I can't even tell if you are serious or joking in that post. It just seems off.




Let's compare you to WoS in another way.
When Holyflare does a trap sort of thing for WoS, WaveofShadow sees this as something that is (probably) town from Holyflare. He notes that it's possible Holyflare is meta-ing him, or using a trap because he knows Wave will read him as town, etc., but WoS brings up something most players would probably read HF as town for on a day when he and HF are up for lynch. Further, WoS gives him a mostly town read for trying to scumhunt him.

Compare this to your reaction to Holyflare trying to bury you for the "slip" post regarding bunnies as a partner. Your overall response is that HF is lying, misrepresenting, throwing scum on you, etc. This is a little more nuanced (I could try to talk about my reaction to Oats earlier in the game to flesh this out, for example), but overall the point I'm getting at is that you don't seem to believe that Holyflare could be misguided town, you feel that he is mafia who knows he is lying and misrepresenting you.

I'll try to write more but I'm in and out of meetings today and since deadline is approaching it's good to get a few ideas out

MysteryMeat1
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States3292 Posts
September 05 2014 20:21 GMT
#2028
That post is such an obvious joke.... and i dont beliwve hf is misguided town...

Anyway i doubt both of you will move their votes which means the games over
"Cause ya know, Style before victory." -The greatest mafia player alive
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12973 Posts
September 05 2014 20:23 GMT
#2029
Day 5 Vote count:

MysteryMeat1 (4):
Holyflare, WaveofShadow, Amiko, marvellosity
Holyflare (2): Oatsmaster, MysteryMeat1

to vote here.
MysteryMeat1
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States3292 Posts
September 05 2014 20:27 GMT
#2030
If both oats was mafia with me, i think he would rather biry me here for town cred then be the first to call me town and stick with it.
"Cause ya know, Style before victory." -The greatest mafia player alive
MysteryMeat1
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States3292 Posts
September 05 2014 20:28 GMT
#2031
Using my phone on a crowded bus, excuse spelling mistakes
"Cause ya know, Style before victory." -The greatest mafia player alive
Amiko
Profile Joined February 2014
United States1725 Posts
September 05 2014 20:53 GMT
#2032
I can believe you were joking for the "liking this day" post it was just something that stuck out as an example.
--

I don't blame you for not seeing HF as misguided town now since he's basically gone for the throat on you since yesterday. I guess it just struck me as weird that you didn't consider seem to consider it earlier? It seems to me that both WaveofShadow and Holyflare seemed to feel you were scummy from D1 (after the interaction involving the trap) so clearly at least one town was suspecting you - why HF and not WoS at that point (before HF attacked you as much as he has now)?
MysteryMeat1
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States3292 Posts
September 05 2014 21:05 GMT
#2033
Just with previous interactions, especially the one with bunnies. I've played Daily mafia with her, and if she is scum, or suspected of being scum, she will put her scum partner second to distance.

The one interaction where the three of us posted, the one where WoS admitts to misreading, but Hf is convinced that what i wrote only makes sense if i was mafia with bunnies.

Also just now, i really hate HF logic that the first two cells where between two 50/50's. He's not thinking about the fact that apathy or ritoky could also have been mafia as well.

@Marv: if BH is mafia, it could have been distancing, and i don't think you pushed hard enough to get him lynched.
"Cause ya know, Style before victory." -The greatest mafia player alive
MysteryMeat1
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States3292 Posts
September 05 2014 21:07 GMT
#2034
@Amiko, even if you move your vote i still get lynched, so i have to convince both you and WoS.

@WoS: like there is no way this is marv's town game. And the fact that HF gives bs reason for marv not playing which means he's not going to read him earlier is dumb as fuck. If oats and I are mafia together then i doubt oats comes out first to defend me.
"Cause ya know, Style before victory." -The greatest mafia player alive
Amiko
Profile Joined February 2014
United States1725 Posts
September 05 2014 21:15 GMT
#2035
Okay so Meat I feel like you see the 3-player interaction as really key to why you scumread holyflare

My understanding of this is that you are saying you think Toad is town because if he was mafia, he would make a case on bunnies. Wave questions what you mean, and Holyflare says it may be because as mafia, you would know bunnies is mafia and feel like Toad could make a case on her.

Your point is that:
If Holyflare believes the explanation he is providing (you and bunnies are mafia), and we have reason to believe he does (because he believes you are mafia), then he should have voted for bunnies.

Is that a good summation?
Amiko
Profile Joined February 2014
United States1725 Posts
September 05 2014 21:16 GMT
#2036
I had a little trouble understanding it so let me know if I am not explaning properly (like I didn't really get the significance of Wave's second post questioning you)
Amiko
Profile Joined February 2014
United States1725 Posts
September 05 2014 21:20 GMT
#2037
(Because I think he was voting bunnies so I don't get it)
MysteryMeat1
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States3292 Posts
September 05 2014 21:21 GMT
#2038
That and the fact that he was soo quick to have a scum only representation. HF has proven in this thread, that not only can he read clearly but that he understands stuff. What i wrote was clear, but the moment there was a little confusion due to WoS misreading, he provided that the only explanation was me and bunnies were mafia together
"Cause ya know, Style before victory." -The greatest mafia player alive
Amiko
Profile Joined February 2014
United States1725 Posts
September 05 2014 21:56 GMT
#2039
I don't know whether you are scum or mafia but I think you played much better this game. seeing soon
Amiko
Profile Joined February 2014
United States1725 Posts
September 05 2014 21:56 GMT
#2040
ebwop: scum or town
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