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Transexuals change their gender, don't they? | ||
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On August 04 2014 15:39 WaveofShadow wrote: Attention *turned to him I fucking hate doing this on ipad read what you wrote before pressing post? | ||
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On August 04 2014 09:04 WaveofShadow wrote: LOL Artanis that made me laugh HF do you actually think that there is a good reason for anyone to call me confirmed town right now? And whether or not the answer is yes, why would scum artanis bother with that? You're better than that, my dear. What are you fishing for? This is enough for me to townread WoS d1. | ||
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On August 04 2014 11:49 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I thought we established that I do but I don't know what I'm doing. Where did we establish this? | ||
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On August 04 2014 17:38 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I have nothing against agreeing with it. My issue is that I really don't like Wave's pacing/terminology when it comes to his posts. I don't know, call it a gut read or whatever, but the last time I played with Wave he was supertown and he was so breezy and carefree and towny and junk. I don't see any of that here. Wave feels really calculated in his posts, almost like he cares way too much. Maybe I'm just being paranoid. Looking at this paragraph after I've typed it out makes me think that I'm reaching conspiracy-theory levels of reading into things. I'll sleep on it, it's almost 5 AM anyway. tone reading wos based on 3 month stale meta seems like a terrible idea | ||
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Eden, it's not scummy to be serious, avoid derp, and try hard. | ||
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hf gg jat (marv) (tehpoofter) | ||
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On August 04 2014 18:57 marvellosity wrote: Poofter might be mafia according to my heuristic that I'm not telling any of you about right now. I'd probably kill both Artanis and Poofter right now. Wave hasn't showed me anything in particular that I want to lynch, other than what I mentioned. Most of the arguments levelled against him I've seen levelled against him on more than one occasion as town, they're just not very interesting to me yet. He's just null ##Vote: Artanis gobbledy actually said the basic reason for Artanis to be mafia. Very low contributions so far despite posting some. I've not made proper reads yet and I've probably contributed more than he has. I also think given the preamble, Artanis would at least try to play a decent game as town. Let's see. gobbledy actually said the basic reason for Artanis to be mafia gobblle hasn't mentioned artanis once. I've not made proper reads yet and I've probably contributed more than he has. faulty logic, since artanis participated much earlier in the game and there was less to talk about. | ||
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but there are 2 other parts for you there marv | ||
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That is the second time he mentioned it. | ||
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Artanis ..I think his participation took place at a time even there wasn't much to say. Gonna take a wait and see attitude about that one. Jat ..really didn't like his one content post. Very lazy usage of meta is not what I'm used to seeing from jat. | ||
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On August 04 2014 21:21 gobbledydook wrote: went through haru's filter, not impressed. First there's quite a lot of defending wave from meta-scumread, where his argument is very awkward. Then there's his weird scumread on hf/gk/eden, which I still don't think makes sense, why would you suggest they are acting pro-town therefore are scum? By his logic we should lynch all the most vocal towns first to catch the 'hidden mafia', oh wait, nope they were all town, mafia is laughing to the bank. So what he has said is awkward, misleading, and hasn't actually said much of note. He's on my scumreads right now, but behind Artanis. First, let me say, your handle is extremely frustrating for me. Why gobbledydook instead of gobbleydgook? What is the significance of changing the g to a d? It's kind of driving me insane. Anyway, this is the post you are calling a "scumread on hf/gk/eden": On August 04 2014 12:39 HaruRH wrote: I would say that in this game where scum potentially need 4+ mislynches to win the game, the only logical way is to act super townie and try to surf into later days off mislynches. I'm willing to put my head on the table that there's a scum amongst hf/pooft/gk who are trying so hard to gain free towncreds ™ issued only by the harumint co. Do you see the logic behind his thinking, even though you might disagree with it? Why are you treating it like it's such a big deal? It's not a scumread on any of those players, but rather a comment on the game setup/mafia theory. | ||
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On August 04 2014 22:31 Holyflare wrote: and who comments on game setup/mafia theory repeatedly with no other proper reads kush? as early in the game as haru did it? i would say it's quite normal and well within the range of townie behavior | ||
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On August 04 2014 22:35 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Kush I don't understand, I've said that if marv allows me to get lynched he's scum because he knows how to read me and has enough thread pull to prevent such a thing. I agree with him that I haven't tried so I can't fault him for that. I don't understand your issue. Why are you making this circular argument about marv's ability to read you? Do something that looks townie and I will townread you. Right now it looks like you are trying to opt out of that, so I'm scumreading you. On August 04 2014 20:48 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Nah, I wondered out loud if I needed to try. I'm gonna go with socializing my way to a townread again. plus other shit | ||
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On August 04 2014 22:46 marvellosity wrote: in any game mafia want to look really townie. the point of the game is that it's hard and therefore they get caught. Mafia don't set out to play like mafia, that would be pretty dumb. remember liquid city | ||
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1. there's no possibility of a medic, unlike most games, so scum will not be afraid to kill the best townie. That means good townies will maybe be careful about not becoming the obvious nk. They have to "hide" in a sense. 2. Town has so many possible mislynches that if scum act passively, they will just lose. People will townread all the active towns and the passive people will die off 1 by 1. So those are the reasons I remember that haru gave why it's more likely for scum to be an active player | ||
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On August 04 2014 22:55 marvellosity wrote: that's stupid though. any townie not playing as townie as possible in order to prevent themselves being a NK is both obnoxiously stupid and a complete asswipe. but my point is his ideas make sense and they don't warrant a scumread. I don't see how it's relevant if you agree. | ||
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On August 04 2014 23:03 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I don't like Obi. In Storm Mafia 2 he showed a lot of self-awareness, commented a lot about things outside of the game like which account he uses, mentioned he's blending, etc, whereas in Titanic and Noir he opened a lot more aggressively, not putting any attention towards himself, his mafia play, other accounts or anything like that. Straight to business, albeit in a joking fashion in a very different flavour than he's done this game. So if i understand you right, mafia=self awareness, talking about stuff outside the game town=aggressive, straight to business. So why don't you like him this game?? That's the part that didn't connect t ome. What about his "favour" points scummy? Meta counterpoint: if you look at Titanic (I think) he had a very low energy early game similar to this one. ok im talking too much i will talk less | ||
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On August 04 2014 11:28 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Fuck I got town again. and the 5 next posts are him responding to people talking to him about that post. All those posts were in quick succession. He went afk and when he got back his posts were straight to business. | ||
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On August 05 2014 00:02 justanothertownie wrote: Because he scumread me for using meta without any reasoning and when I questioned him about it he just avoided me. Also it's kushs thing to do as mafia to make some half ass case on me day1. TL Noir is one example and I am pretty sure there was another game he did that. another shitty out of your ass meta. nice | ||
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On August 04 2014 21:09 justanothertownie wrote: What are you used to see from me then? Meanwhile I will tell you what I am used to see from you when you are mafia: weak cases on me. I don't think my meta usage is weak at all. Feel free to disagree but if you attack my reasoning you will have to explain whats wrong with it. I agree. Im not avoiding you. At that time I was doing stuff and I had a lot of other shit to talk about. Why is your use of meta weak? Let me imitate it. I remember so and so acting like this in that game, and he is/isn't acting like that in this game, so therefore I town/scum read him That's the template for shit meta. What am i used to from you? Why would I tell you how to act town? Ok I will because I'm nice and I already know you're scum. More engagement in this game, less bringing up comparisons to previous games | ||
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On August 05 2014 00:25 Artanis[Xp] wrote: That's a pretty bad list kush. how do you know | ||
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so you caring doesn't mesh with my townie perspective on the game. i care about you caring because you do not look so town to me. I may change my read on you when I actually put some time into filters later tonight. | ||
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On August 05 2014 11:54 Holyflare wrote: Fail association how so? this push doesn't look like scum on scum. you are scum, therefore poofter is town. | ||
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tooscummytobescum in a way. therefore I think it's genuine. | ||
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hf gd my list still looking good | ||
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On August 05 2014 13:49 gobbledydook wrote: But no, seriously, your contribution level is still zero. um his filter is a page longer than yours? | ||
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On August 05 2014 15:56 Eden1892 wrote: i'm not even gonna try to parse ~~Reasons~~ i'll prolly just lynch you d3 or something if i still don't like it but like... artanis isn't even trying gd says he is trying now and he unscumreads him for it. | ||
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On August 05 2014 13:12 gobbledydook wrote: Artanis finally showed up and did something useful. Poofter hasn't. All he really has done is scumread on the timing of marv's vote and then say he can't read him anyway. It's such a useless, trivial point that occupies lots of space. ##vote: tehpoofter GD, what did artanis do that was useful, Eden and I are curious? | ||
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marvellosity vivax goodkarma obiwanshinobi tehpoofter HaruRH justanothertownie marry Eden1892 WaveofShadow kill hf gd artanis | ||
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those are the people i would marry. if i was was married to you though, you'd be the only one i had eyes for <3 | ||
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About Wos, you say he "straight you reads you as town", but to me it looks like he's been very skeptical of you. About GD, you say he has actual reasons behind his reads. Do you really think "no content" is a townie indicative reason to give? And his point of poofter "scumreading" marv for giving an early scumread was both an exaggeration of poofter's read and a rehash of what had already been jumped on by you and GK. | ||
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just because he is scumreading some of the same people you are scumreading, that doesn't mean he's not or shouldn't be skeptical of you. There's uncertainty and the possibility of buses that keep that from being a contradiction. Any ideas about artanis? he is a major lynch candidate right now, and you have been silent about him. | ||
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On August 05 2014 18:49 Holyflare wrote: You make me happy in my special place for mentioning vivax because i wanted to but didn't want him to go full retard for me doing it i see opportunism here | ||
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I'm potentially open to the idea that he may be mafia though. HF, the other stuff could be described by irl business, but this: Here he's made some pretty bogus read on posts about haru +1-1 post that didn't exist Are you talking about when he disagreed with you about it being mafaish? | ||
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On August 05 2014 20:52 Eden1892 wrote: why don't i read lorem ipsum it's about as pertinent to the game and marginally more interesting how so? | ||
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I'm having trouble understanding this: On August 05 2014 19:41 Holyflare wrote: This part where he lies that me/gk excessively rode the post when i never even mentioned it as scummy once and only spent half a post talking about it | ||
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On August 04 2014 10:14 Vivax wrote: Meeeeeh he might just be really suspicious about what haru wrote idk but the gut doesn't like it. The loaded style: "Why are you not scumreading WoS" kinda gave me the feel of a scummy accusation, and that he entered the thread with a very dry "agree about WoS" too. Then brushing off that he might have found Haru suspicious for that when I asked him. He just wanted to understand his point of view? HF on the other hand found it outright mafiaish, and I actually thought GK found Haru scummy too from the style of the questions but apparently he didn't really see something alignment indicative like HF did. hf you are talking about this? | ||
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On August 05 2014 00:20 Vivax wrote: @ JAT: I would say that you should have by now realized that me "defending" Haru wasn't intended as defending Haru but simply saying that I didn't agree with the arguments HF was using, which was that huge focus on the -1 +1 part. I preferred to focus on Haru saying he was null on WoS, so maybe he didn't really think that math through properly but just wanted to express in a weird way he was null on WoS. So far three interpretations of that post of mine have been posted: I shut down discussion, I defend, and I simply express my point of view. What it ultimately means is up to the intention of the observer in my regards, does he only try to find a bad interpretation, or does he consider the post from both perspective? Nope, you meant this. | ||
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Try to understand this post if you dare (I don't suggest it). I spent about 5 minutes on it reading it again and again. So far I think it has something to do with goodkarma being scummy because he didn't read the scumminess of his two scum reads equally, and that is scummy because of some other reason I can't understand. But the fact that he thought through all this shit makes him town. + Show Spoiler + On August 05 2014 00:44 Vivax wrote: It seems there is a strong difference in Goodkarma's play regarding his two scumreads. I feel he ended up focusing much more on Haru than on WoS, and that after criticizing Haru for nullreading WoS for that. Like, the one thing GoodKarma had to expect in his opinion was that Haru would scumread WoS with a -1. I think that if they wanted to nullread somebody as opposed to scumreading him, then scum would prefer ścumreading the townie and null reading the other scum. If that's what GK might think, too, then he must just feel as strongly scummy about Wave than he does for Haru, cause just then nullreading WoS might show a scum motive. However all we are left with Goodkarma vs Wave is: WoS wrote this before GK posted that: So they both scumread the same guy, Wave says what he found scummy about Haru, but GoodKarma still asks him that. Besides, I don't really like the reason WoS is using there for scumreading Haru, so I'm surprised Goodkarma wouldn't also try to get more interactions with WoS aside from that sort of loaded post. | ||
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That is metaevidence that he gives up as scum. So why are you townreading him for it? | ||
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YOu can't townread someone for this stupid shit. | ||
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On August 05 2014 21:55 Eden1892 wrote: his reaction to getting "caught" (if that's how we're going to define this) is about as prideless as can be he got caught by marv so he gave up. You cant lose a game you don't play mentality | ||
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On August 05 2014 21:58 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I'd like to think I'm just honest about how I play. This game I've played like shit. That doesn't mean I'm shit, that just means I'm having a terrible game. Well you are being honest here regardless of your alignment. | ||
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On August 04 2014 16:09 kushm4sta wrote: ##vote gg On August 05 2014 17:16 Tehpoofter wrote: ##Vote Gooblyzilla wtf are you supposed to call this guy? | ||
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On August 05 2014 22:35 justanothertownie wrote: You remember Vivax doing shit but not me? Like what? vivax was much more active early d1, as was haru | ||
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On August 05 2014 00:17 marvellosity wrote: na, I'm bothering to play. That basically makes me confirmed town. Suck my beautiful penis <3 marv town | ||
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On August 06 2014 01:24 marvellosity wrote: Did gobble bus at all in that game you caught him in? I thought not. i don't see why gobble would bus artanis basically out the gate, so i don't think your team of 3 makes any sense. gobble unscumread artanis extremely easily | ||
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On August 06 2014 01:54 marvellosity wrote: don't see the point in declaring it so confidently in the first place though. that doesn't make any sense. i see your point, but it's clear that he didn't' intend for that read to last the whole day, | ||
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both of which are lynch bait. | ||
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On August 06 2014 02:32 Eden1892 wrote: i feel like haru and artanis are both town somehow god damn it why is haru town? | ||
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On August 05 2014 22:53 gobbledydook wrote: A case on HaruRH: Near the beginning, I had HaruRH as scum because of his terrible logic about mafia acting more towny as usual. Then HF said that I shouldn't be so quick to scumread someone just because I disagree with them and I accepted it. The logic was terrible but it looked like he was trying to make a legit point at least. Here he sheeps on Artanis. The post before the vote he says something really vague that isn't even necessarily correct. Then he votes Artanis without any reason other than basically other people voted too. No attempt to substantiate the vote. If he were trying to scumhunt would he not have a better reason than 'Artanis is close to someone I think is suspicious'? I thought mafia generally avoid associating with each other? The conclusion therefore, is he's just voting so he can put his vote somewhere. A while later, he posts this gem. Yep, not doing crap with reads, wishy washy and inconclusive, no promises given, throwing reads everywhere, 0 substantiation, not committing to any scumreads...guess who that is. I know, it's the person flinging shit at seven people aka HaruRH. nvm im rescumreading him. look at the bold. It's a misrepresentation of what haru is saying. | ||
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On August 04 2014 18:56 HaruRH wrote: Artanis feels scummy for buddying with someone who had suspect entrance and suspect posts. On August 05 2014 22:53 gobbledydook wrote: Then he votes Artanis without any reason other than basically other people voted too. No attempt to substantiate the vote. If he were trying to scumhunt would he not have a better reason than 'Artanis is close to someone I think is suspicious'? I thought mafia generally avoid associating with each other? The conclusion therefore, is he's just voting so he can put his vote somewhere. Dunno, but that might be him being purposefully dense. I noticed in his last scumgame he likes to subtly misrepresent people to make them look scummy. The misrepresentation is this: Haru isn't calling both people scummy, he's calling artanis scummy for buddying someone who looks scummy. | ||
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On August 06 2014 02:51 kushm4sta wrote: Dunno, but that might be him being purposefully dense. I noticed in his last scumgame he likes to subtly misrepresent people to make them look scummy. The misrepresentation is this: Haru isn't calling both people scummy, he's calling artanis scummy for buddying someone who looks scummy. im talking about gd here. he misunderstands haru it a way that makes haru look potentially scummy. | ||
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On August 06 2014 03:22 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Again, I don't think he's mafia. It's a matter of bad townie vs mafia posting, and I simply don't see anything mafia-esque about this post. Also, I don't know why you're talking about him subtly misrepresenting people, because the last scumgame he had that we were both in, he passionately went after Robik because of RNG. I don't really think that was necessarily "subtle" in any sense of the word. This is the post: On July 20 2014 16:46 gobbledydook wrote: First I don't think snickers and damdred are both mafia and making a show out of it. If they were both mafia, they wouldn't attack each other and give town a chance to lynch them. So at most 1 of them can be mafia. What damdred did: he defends robik's rng lynch, gives some excuse for being inactive, then accuses snickers of being scummy because he doesn't respond directly to questions. Then he votes BH for not having any read other than rng. BH dies right before he could unvote, day 2 he hammers MM1, then day 3 is damdred twisting himself hard to apologize for lynching 2 towns. Here's my take on what damdred's thinking: damdred the scum wanted some town cred, so he makes the obvious defense of robik, forgoing the chance to hammer him day 1 as it would be very suspicious. Snicker attacks his lack of contribution, and damdred gives an excuse, anniversary with wife etc. We don't know if that was actually true, so let's assume it was the case and damdred was indeed busy. Then, feeling the need to 'contribute', he looks at the person who last attacked him, looks through his filter, and picks holes in it. Unfortunately the snickers bandwagon doesn't work and seeing a promising BH bandwagon hops on it with little explanation. He puts unvote after the hammer has hit to earn towncred for attempting to thwart the mislynch. Day 2 he hammers MM1 because it's a mislynch for the taking. Day 3, snickers presses him on the BH vote and MM1 vote. Now feeling that snickers is on to something, he tries to defend himself and apologise and bend over himself, but snickers smells scum and he panics. The impression is that he's only writing when being pressured, and otherwise trying to lay low. I'm not going to vote yet, I want to hear more from everyone first. | ||
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On August 05 2014 22:40 gobbledydook wrote: To those who are saying im suspicious: Every game I have played so far I was mafia. Guess how much I know about playing town. I'm trying, but just that I'm not up to your standards doesn't mean I'm scum. You can also compare this game to my 2 scumgames to see the difference. GD, what is the difference, would you say? also this is really your first towngame? because judging by your first two games here on tl, it seems like you have experience playing forum mafia somewhere else. | ||
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On August 06 2014 03:49 Eden1892 wrote: oh wow lol no he's played town before on webdip i subbed into a game where he was town and got n1'd to be fair he prolly means "every game on tl" but at the same time he's not new to being town... everyone see this shit??? LAL it up ##unvote ##vote Gobbledy | ||
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On August 06 2014 03:52 kushm4sta wrote: everyone see this shit??? LAL it up ##unvote ##vote Gobbledy yo hf and everyone who reads gobble town, read this exchange. he's lying. he's mafia. | ||
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On August 06 2014 04:52 Holyflare wrote: Oh right that's fine then but he still only sticks around to defend then leaves every time you could say the same about everyone to some extent... | ||
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i believe it. because from his first two games on this site, it's clear he's not new to forum mafia. | ||
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On August 06 2014 04:58 Eden1892 wrote: webdip is a Diplomacy website in March I introduced forum mafia this is the game I cited: http://webdiplomacy.net/forum.php?viewthread=1129589#1129589 however I don't believe gobble is lying. contextually I think he meant that he had never played as town on tl mafia but that doesn't make sense in the context. he's saying he never played town before so ofc he's going to be shitty as town. it has nothing to do with this site exclusively. On August 05 2014 22:40 gobbledydook wrote: To those who are saying im suspicious: Every game I have played so far I was mafia. Guess how much I know about playing town. I'm trying, but just that I'm not up to your standards doesn't mean I'm scum. You can also compare this game to my 2 scumgames to see the difference. | ||
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On August 06 2014 05:26 Vivax wrote: Btw Kush I feel like you're the strongest active town player on TL at the moment, except for some minor bloopers I can't speak of you can really see stuff I'm unaware of. RESPECT. TY I WILL WIN THE BELT | ||
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On August 06 2014 00:51 HaruRH wrote: I admit that I dont want to be mislynched today, but I have posted pretty badly and have misunderstood some posts. Hopefully this 2nd mislynch (order was my first and was soul crushing) would serve as a reminder in future games why haru shouldn't post reads d1. Too late for any regret, I am already at l1 and would probably be mislynched in my sleep. As a note, please never force me to make reads d1. I am literally incapable of doing so. Goodnight all. marv this doesn't give you genuine feels? | ||
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On August 06 2014 05:46 justanothertownie wrote: Are you kidding? He wasn't bullshitting when he called gobble scum for having the same reads he had? this is not a reliable scumtell for so many reasons | ||
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haru thought the METHODS behind the reads were scummy. the reads themselves were early so ofc scum could be busing or his reads could be straight up wrong. | ||
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On August 06 2014 05:57 marvellosity wrote: here's where i am. i don't feel very confident in a gobbledy lynch. maybe i'm just wrong and bad, but i don't really wanna vote for him. maybe vivax is dickish enough to be town? haru... i dno. i don't care that he talks about "methods", it's just like - he sarcastically listed off names he expected gobbledy to vote for who were all in his scumville. It doesn't make sense to me. Even with his explanations. if I have some players in scumville, i don't go "well ha, i expect my mafiaread to vote for all my mafia suspects! lol!" like what? not seeing the scum motivation behind this move? weird ok but scummy not really | ||
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On August 06 2014 06:01 marvellosity wrote: like do you go "yeah, obi is scum. he's like totally going to vote for artanis, gobbledy, and hf. he's totally going to vote in my scumlist so he's totes scum" how does a townie think that? maybe haru wasn't as sure about his other scum reads | ||
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On August 06 2014 06:03 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Can I call you bad for this after the game even though I've played bad too? having incorrect reads d1 is not bad. | ||
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On August 06 2014 06:05 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I'm glad you agree you're reading me incorrectly. No. I'm saying if I'm wrong about you that wouldn't make me bad. I see what you are doing right now as obvious scum mind games so I still believe im correct about yuou. | ||
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On August 06 2014 06:11 Holyflare wrote: Really vivax is looking a lot like the vivax from when i smurfed and he was defending someone that others thought was scummy. He really didn't comment on haru at all and still attacks haru's aggressors instead. He is also stuck in his time warp of lies making reads on things THAT DON'T EXIST lol | ||
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On August 06 2014 06:23 Holyflare wrote: Do you disagree or are you just going to continue with the same mafia list you've pretty much had all game? or is not the right conjunction. I choose both. | ||
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On August 06 2014 06:15 Artanis[Xp] wrote: This.
look i even fixed your broken bbcode. 1. fail to see how that means he's scum 2. he did it begrudgingly because he was asked to 3. same as 2 4. who gives a fuck | ||
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On August 06 2014 07:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Are you finally townreading me Marv? 9 pages full of shit like this and a few select bad arguments. | ||
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Here's gobbles misrepresenting haru's mechanics discussion:+ Show Spoiler + On August 04 2014 21:21 gobbledydook wrote: went through haru's filter, not impressed. First there's quite a lot of defending wave from meta-scumread, where his argument is very awkward. Then there's his weird scumread on hf/gk/eden, which I still don't think makes sense, why would you suggest they are acting pro-town therefore are scum? By his logic we should lynch all the most vocal towns first to catch the 'hidden mafia', oh wait, nope they were all town, mafia is laughing to the bank. So what he has said is awkward, misleading, and hasn't actually said much of note. He's on my scumreads right now, but behind Artanis. Here he misrepresents the reasons why Haru called someone scummy: + Show Spoiler + On August 05 2014 22:53 gobbledydook wrote: Here he sheeps on Artanis. The post before the vote he says something really vague that isn't even necessarily correct. Then he votes Artanis without any reason other than basically other people voted too. No attempt to substantiate the vote. If he were trying to scumhunt would he not have a better reason than 'Artanis is close to someone I think is suspicious'? I thought mafia generally avoid associating with each other? The conclusion therefore, is he's just voting so he can put his vote somewhere. Feel free to go through his filter and read the rest of his cases. Here's a little preview: Yep, not doing crap with reads, wishy washy and inconclusive, no promises given, throwing reads everywhere, 0 substantiation, not committing to any scumreads...guess who that is. I know, it's the person flinging shit at seven people aka HaruRH. yup generalized bullshit. and when he gets own to specifics, those specifics are lies. | ||
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On August 06 2014 07:34 Holyflare wrote: That quote entirely applies to haru though why is it "generalised bs"? Well it applies to most anti town players. Anti town does not equal scum. As scum, it's very easy to make generalized scumreads like that because you aren't pointing to specific evidence. All you have to do is say some buzzwords and gg u fooled marv. | ||
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On August 06 2014 07:40 Holyflare wrote: So what stops it being a towny who thinks all those things? Why is it only scummy to think someone being anti town is mafia? Sometimes that stuff comes from townies. But GD has a total lack of what I consider townie indicative content. And when he does try to give specifics they are misrepresentations. And the generalize bullshit is easy for scum to do therefore it's scummy, even though it doesn't always 100% = scum. | ||
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On August 05 2014 22:40 gobbledydook wrote: To those who are saying im suspicious: Every game I have played so far I was mafia. Guess how much I know about playing town. I'm trying, but just that I'm not up to your standards doesn't mean I'm scum. You can also compare this game to my 2 scumgames to see the difference. oh and then there is this lie, which he uses to excuse his scummy townplay | ||
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On August 06 2014 08:09 Holyflare wrote: So yeh i saw the gobbledy ninja vote on vivax after deadline so he's around and should probably explain himself Also the obi hesitancy was really fucking strange honk honk - sound a bus makes | ||
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On August 06 2014 11:01 iamperfection wrote: Onegu replaces Artanis[Xp] effective right now ah fuck | ||
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I think it's natural to townread him, because he's writing so much and he is giving reasoning. Except the quality of his reasoning is really poor which means he's scum. | ||
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Anyway I asked you if you are familiar with hfs try hard scum games. If you were, you could see that he is capable of this kind of activity and reasoning as scum And I haven't mis read you in a long time. You arrogance is quite astounding that you ass hole lynch vivax to hide from yourself the fact that you were wrong and I was right. | ||
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On August 06 2014 20:35 justanothertownie wrote: I just don't think you are the type of player who plays himself down as town after your performance in Order. I really don't. Hey jat I have an idea..how about you don't make assumptions about his behavior you really can't make. | ||
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the second part of your defense is kind of a tooscummytobescum argument, right? Here's what it looked like to me: he was confirmed lurking near EoD - SCUMMY he voted to ensure Vivax, someone who hard scumread him, got lynched. Scum did not want a no lynch either. Given the the options of lynching Vivax, a strong analytical townie, or a no lynch, scum will pick lynching vivax every time. | ||
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On August 06 2014 23:44 marvellosity wrote: you're scumreading someone for being in a different timezone? for realsies? no. if he wasn't there at eod that's one thing. but he was confirmed there, and following enough to know that a no lynch was possible | ||
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On August 06 2014 23:44 Eden1892 wrote: not at all a too scummy to be scum argument... he was around for the last few minutes at EOD even though he had a valid excuse not to be which indicates a desire to be present at EOD which is townie why wouldn't scum want a no-lynch? they would love to reduce the # of mislynches they need to force by 1 without giving us a flip and who cares if Vivax hard scumread him? that doesn't mean anything for his alignment since that wasn't the reason he voted Vivax off Scum have a huge desire to be present at EoD, just not be active. He wanted to see if he was getting lynched. Why wouldn't scum want a no lynch?? Because lynching town is better than lynching no one for scum. Who cares if vivax hard scumread him? That just gives him more incentive to want vivax dead. | ||
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So this is from his towngame, right? WHY SLYGUY270 IS MAFIA Let's look at what he has said. The first thing he does, is vote Damian without providing any reason whatsoever. He then disappears for a few hours. He gets caught out and tries to explain that by saying that he didn't like instant first posts because they seem mafia to him. Which isn't really a reason, he hasn't justified why the posting time indicates anything about alignment. He dismisses Socrates's question about his behaviour by saying he can't convince him anyway. Then he jumps on WardenDresden's ridiculous troll post about players starting with the letter G to be mafia, without any reason either. He is appearing to contribute, without actually contributing anything. So I ask slyguy270: 1) Gtlblx has been active in driving discussion in the game. What do you find about his posts that you do not like about him, such that you are voting for him? No a 1 sentence response like 'his name defense is bad' won't cut it. 2) What are your other town and scum reads right now? Provide detailed explanations. Until you satisfy me with your answers, ##Vote: Slyguy270. | ||
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the other motivation is lynching a townie is better than a no lynch for scum. the other motivation is vivax is a strong player, who probably would have proved himself to be town the more he talked. I already said all that. Ok here's another case from him as town: WHY WARDENDRESDEN IS ALSO MAFIA Looking back over WardenDresden's posts. His first post: He jumps on slyguy's damian bandwagon without offering any new substance. His statements about damian being a mod and posting first frankly are not logical. They in no way predict his alignment yet Warden brushes aside the obvious logical holes and continues to lynch damian. He then has a bit where 'I think we can learn a lot about playstyles from last game, but once again, it does little to justify any suspicions, but it can help exonerate players whose styles have been confirmed as innocent.'. That is just saying nothing. He's just saying, we should look at the last game, but it doesn't matter anyway, but it might help slightly somewhere, which obviously is not saying anything at all. His second post: He now admits that his mod lynch idea won't gain any traction (obviously, since it doesn't make sense) and then makes a bogus argument about thinning out players with the same starting letter 'to reduce confusion'. I thought we are certainly capable of telling players apart so that shouldn't even be an argument. So basically, his second post is also completely useless. His third post: He attempts to justify his illogical lynch reasons above as trying to create discussion. There are better ways to promote discussion than making bad posts. What he was doing is make posts that seem like he's saying something but he isn't. Then he says he agrees with our suspicions of slyguy, but then rather than voting slyguy, votes for *me* instead for being 'too self-important'. That's the worst argument I have ever seen from him, and it suggests that he is just trying to save slyguy by trying to divert attention. Therefore, ##Vote: WardenDresden His posts are devoid of substance, he is trying to look like he is agreeing with other people without following up on it, and he's trying to lynch people making actual contributions. Slyguy is probably also mafia, but right now Warden is the worst of the bunch. | ||
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On August 05 2014 22:53 gobbledydook wrote: Then he votes Artanis without any reason other than basically other people voted too. No attempt to substantiate the vote. If he were trying to scumhunt would he not have a better reason than 'Artanis is close to someone I think is suspicious'? I thought mafia generally avoid associating with each other? The conclusion therefore, is he's just voting so he can put his vote somewhere. Read the bolded closely. GD is making it seem like Haru is making an association case between artanis and whoever. When Haru's reason for suspecting artanis actually had nothing to do with associations. | ||
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On August 07 2014 00:30 Onegu wrote: I will say someone has my gut going off as scum that I normally have correctly read in the past. You know who you are. what is your gut telling you, and try to verbalize why your gut is telling you that. | ||
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On August 07 2014 00:34 Eden1892 wrote: maybe you could not snip pertinent parts of his post when you try to interpret it... right before that he points out that Haru was sheeping: gobble is assessing the only reason Haru gave, which Haru did in fact give - that Arty felt scummy for buddying someone suspicious. this isn't a misinterpretation at all Not sure what you are getting at here. Haru thought Artanis was scummy for buddying someone suspicious. Gobbles says that makes no sense because scum wouldn't buddy scum. But Haru does not imply that scum is buddying scum. He says that artanis is buddying some who LOOKS scummy. | ||
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On August 07 2014 00:54 Eden1892 wrote: that strikes me as a really meaningless distinction. can you explain for me why that's a meaningful enough distinction not only to warrant calling the missing of that distinction a misinterpretation, but a willful one? The reasons people give for their scumreads usually make up a very small percentage of their filters, but they are the most important parts of their filters by far. On August 04 2014 18:56 HaruRH wrote: Artanis feels scummy for buddying with someone who had suspect entrance and suspect posts. Gobbles has this to say about it: If he were trying to scumhunt would he not have a better reason than 'Artanis is close to someone I think is suspicious'? I thought mafia generally avoid associating with each other? The conclusion therefore, is he's just voting so he can put his vote somewhere. According to Gobbles, Haru is suspicious of Artanis because Artanis is buddying with someone Haru thinks is scum. That is not what Haru meant at all though. Haru meant that Artanis is suspicious because he's buddying someone he should have been skeptical of. That major misrepresentation, one that I doubt town would ever make, is the only specific reason gobbles gives for voting Haru. | ||
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On August 07 2014 01:10 Eden1892 wrote: ok, i see how that's a misinterpretation, but i don't see how it's "a major misrepresentation, one that i doubt town would ever make." think about it, you just had to explain to me how it's a misinterpretation. meaning that i, too, interpreted it the same way gobble did. am i scum? I don't think you interpreted it the same way Gobble did. Just because the misrepresentation is hard to recognize doesn't make it likely for town to make it. On August 04 2014 18:56 HaruRH wrote: Artanis feels scummy for buddying with someone who had suspect entrance and suspect posts. Eden, when you read that you thought Haru was saying that artanis is scummy for buddying scum? | ||
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On July 17 2014 09:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: Best mafia play is for Holyflare, i don't enev know/care about what game. truth. Consider what this means about holyflare as mafia. He is able to make a lot of posts and scumhunting arguments. | ||
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On August 07 2014 04:50 Holyflare wrote: You would think that if i called someone 100% scum I'd be pushing for them to be lynched or something! Oh wait no i didn't because he started posting in a towny way and i unvoted. You know because he got pressured and made some sense So you are saying that we should town read you because you backed off Haru when he started to look town? And what do you say to the theory that you backed off him because you thought it would look scummy to be pushing someone who looked so town? | ||
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most importantly hf said it. he started posting in a towny way and i unvoted HF is saying we should townread him because he dropped his tunnel on haru when haru starting posting townie things. Except HF knows that as scum he would do the same thing, so he wouldn't defend himself like that as town. | ||
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"Im not scum because I scumread someone who flipped scum" I wouldn't use that as a defense as town because I know that I bus all the time as mafia. | ||
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On August 06 2014 05:19 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Because I'm lazy and this game is comprised of a bunch of tryhards who want a belt. I have felt this way before, like I had nothing to add. | ||
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gobbles pointint out artanis early doesn't mean anything for their alignment. 1. he dropped it for terrible reasons 2. it's not an extraordinarily odd thing for scum to bus like that right out of the gate. Early reads don't hold much weight, so they can drop it easily. They think it makes them look town. HF did the same thing to me last game we played as scum together. | ||
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On August 07 2014 05:49 justanothertownie wrote: Ok, that's cool. But what is towny about it? Can't he feel lazy as scum? It's more than just laziness. It's laziness because he feels like everyone is better than him (or trying harder than him). I feel like that is very genuine psychology that scum wouldn't think to go to. | ||
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On August 07 2014 05:57 justanothertownie wrote: Ah, ok. I think scum could very well have the same mindset but you are maybe correct if you say that they probably wouldn't admit it. My point is that it's a uniquely townie mindset. What's the point of scumhunting if everyone is already doing it better than you? There's no reason for scum to think that. | ||
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On August 07 2014 06:02 Holyflare wrote: No because onegu is saying it's scummy and i decided to pull off my read on poofter becaude TO ME he didn't look scummy yet 2 other people started scum reading him after i unvoted. So much logic for me to do, he didn't even look that towny and he'd be the easiest mislynch in the world to push and instead of the lurkers and poofters and artanis' i went for vivax instead??? You seriously saying that? Why is the easier explanation not that i saw vivax lying 100% and then instead of him discussing or acknowledging THE LEADING LYNCH WAGON he decided to ignore every single thing i said and then started calling ppl bad and asking to be lynched and his only content at deadling was that wos wasn't around when wos already saod why. He was scummy as fuck to me and i pushed for his lynch. You've tunneled me all game and instead of listening to things i say you say it's a bus instead and we should listen to you because you so good. News flash you're scum reading me and I'm town. Shape up. You're vote was on haru up until marv changed to vivax. You are saying it's townie of you to vote vivax instead of poofter? You noticed someone in vivax play that you could misconstrue as scummy. marv gave you validation by agreeing with you. Why wouldn't you, as scum, vote vivax? And I resent your statement about trying to get people to listen to me on reputation. I don't even have a good reputation. I have been making arguments and discussing things with people. | ||
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On August 07 2014 06:31 Holyflare wrote: He kept pushing his read about me continually pushing haru on the +1-1 post and used it to call haru town and when i called him out on it he fully ignored me and continued doing it. You can ctrl +f my filter to find out I NEVER DID ANYTHING LIKE THAT AT ALL EVER. I quizzed haru on it in a 1 line post and it was a meh post and i left it alone. So what exactly what vivax's lie? That you were continually pushing haru on +1-1 when in actuality you only mentioned it once? I remember vivax saying "starting with the +1-1..." something like that. | ||
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On August 07 2014 06:35 kushm4sta wrote: So what exactly what vivax's lie? That you were continually pushing haru on +1-1 when in actuality you only mentioned it once? I remember vivax saying "starting with the +1-1..." something like that. | ||
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On August 07 2014 06:52 Holyflare wrote: Read vivax filter all he does when he mentions me is mention the - 1+1 thing. He had 2 pages of filter and was afk for ages, he came back and his only read was still that i pushed this +1 post excessively (i said iy was a time warp) he never fucking says a word and doesn't explain it and then when i push ot later he comes up with some new shitty policy excuse to say he's not acknowledging any words i type? Like wtf bull shit is that. so what's the lie? none of this is a lie. | ||
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On August 07 2014 06:56 Holyflare wrote: So yes 1 post of 3 lines is excessive kush is that what you're saying? um he said your push of haru was excessive, not just that one quote about the +1-1, but your entire push on haru starting with that,. | ||
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On August 04 2014 09:46 Holyflare wrote: This post does not make any sense whatsoever? If the meta read can be thrown away then it doesn't count at all. Then you agree about him being stiff but end up at null? If he hasn't played for 3 months why is he disappointed about rolling town then? Should be a good thing after a break. On August 04 2014 09:51 Holyflare wrote: I can't get over how weird that haru post is actually. It's very mafiaish. The first sentence Is very generalised and doesn't address any of the point that i made at all. Wave HASN'T done it ever, it's not like it's a way to play mafia he's changed up it's a specific thing he hasn't done as town in the past like 10 games and he has done it as scum. How does 3 months = big change effect anything to do with anything? If wave hasn't played for 3 months what changes that this meta read would be affected by? Why would he suddenly be sad to roll town after 3 months and i just understand how this specific thing could even change. This is what he meant by you excessively riding on the +1-1. Maybe an exaggeration but hardly a LIE. The truth is, you excessively rode on the fact that vivax lied about you excessively riding. | ||
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On August 07 2014 07:27 Eden1892 wrote: uh. wtf lol preeeetty sure i've been trying to rally around killing holyflare instead of you eden, they are both scum. they are definitely both scum. GD, why wouldn't it help us at all? Do you want to expand on that please? Seems like you mean mislynching you is especially bad. | ||
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Not gonna put a lot of effort into this one cause I can't really be bothered to. On August 05 2014 21:49 Artanis[Xp] wrote: It's clear what my position is; Vivax, Poof, and Haru are all legitimate lynches for me. Anyone who doesn't know that isn't reading the thread. Why are you focussing on this unimportant issue rather than the actual reads? K so let's look at the reasons behind each of these scumreads. Vivax and poofter are scum because he doesn't know how they are reading him. Know who cares how people read them? scum. Overall bad reasons with no specifics. + Show Spoiler + On August 05 2014 21:41 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I suddenly got retarded seems to be accurate. The lack of motivation follows from said realization. My opinions pretty much follow popular opinion other than on myself. Vivax' interaction with me felt weird, just answering me when I asked a question and when I returned to the thread he just mentioned how I come back when summoned. I have no idea what his read on me is which is strange when I'm one of the biggest cases in the game. Poof's return to the thread and his reads make no sense to me. I also have no idea how he thinks of me and have no idea how he hasn't commented on that. Here's his case on haru. 3 neatly laid out reasons, all of them bad and easy for scum to make. The second is especially bad. Haru didn't realize artanis was joking with his wos townread so that makes him scum? + Show Spoiler + On August 05 2014 21:54 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I'd actually go with Haru. I'm not sure if he behaves this way as scum and that one post does give me pause, but (1) the fact that I'm 4th on his kill list yet the one with his vote, (2)the way he referred to my townread on Wave despite being very clear in why it was and (3)the stuff HF mentioned about his reads all coming from stuff outside the game rather than the game itself make me the most confident in him. Enumeration mine. ~~~ Here is some later, slightly different reasoning behind the Haru lynch. On August 06 2014 06:15 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
1 "deflecting" lol. Later he expands with this: 1. Because it was phrased in a completely awkward way. It was basically dragged along, and then it turned out he hadn't even read it properly. Why would you bring up something that isn't even related when you haven't even read the context? Awkward phrasing is a scummy reason to scumread someone. 2 and 3 are exactly the same point pretty much. Haru only wrote the list because he was bugged about it, and kind of as a joke because he said he hated lists. So that is a misrepresentation. ~~~ On August 05 2014 21:27 Artanis[Xp] wrote: That would require my brain to work, which at the moment seems to not be the case. This is not an excuse town artanis would make. It's not like he didn't have time to play either. Twice he mentioned how we are bad at banter. He had time to banter but didn't have time to scumhunt? | ||
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On August 05 2014 07:48 HaruRH wrote: Ill do it for you Goodkarma: came out early with tons of aggression, never relented and disappeared conveniently. Wos: bad start with stiff post, continued posting awkwardly that seemed rehearsed. Artanis: using meta reads as a basis of his reads (I really dont agree with doing this). Justanothertownie: I don't really feel much from him except that I don't agree with his scumreads at all. Obiwan: being useless In this game much? I don't see him voting anything meaningful, or doing any moves that included thinking. Overall, obi> wos> gk> artanis> jat in terms of who to lynch. joke is the wrong word but basically the "ill do it for you" part. Why would haru be more scummy if he didn't know Artanis was joking? | ||
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