On August 01 2014 11:38 WaveofShadow wrote: I'll give it a shot. First game back for a few months means I'ma be rusty and also my activity level from here on is likely not going to be anywhere near what it used to be.
Okay guys, here's what we're going to do. Given the massive success of policy lynches, I'm declaring Day 1 Policy Lynch day. I'd like to know who agrees with my infullible logic.
I like that plan Eden, though I think each member should be given one veto each. I'm sure we trust each other to be careful with them and only use them when we're sure it's a bad idea.
On August 04 2014 08:18 Eden1892 wrote: I propose the following rule: If a majority of the members of the /towncircle agree to policy lynch someone, all members of the /towncircle must follow through on the policy lynch until the person who initially proposed it unvotes the target.
On August 04 2014 08:32 Eden1892 wrote: Proposition: All prospective members of the /towncircle must change their vote to the policy lynch target of the /towncircle before being admitted to the /towncircle
On August 04 2014 08:32 Artanis[Xp] wrote: HaruRH took Robik's rightful spot, and that saddens me. I will not vote on this, but not use a veto either so it's up to Vivax.
Pretty sure I didn't take up robik's spot at all
If you hadn't /in'd robik might've still been in this game as there'd be one slot short so iamp might have refused to sub him out.
On August 04 2014 08:46 Eden1892 wrote: wait artanis you did? why are you feeling oppressed, we at /towncircle, Inc. believe in equality and have a very inclusive policy, i would like to help you with your oppressed feelings
I feel oppressed over my opinions regarding Haru replacing Robik. They're not being respected. Also, I'm voting /agree on WoS joining. He's confirmed town.
On August 04 2014 08:46 Eden1892 wrote: wait artanis you did? why are you feeling oppressed, we at /towncircle, Inc. believe in equality and have a very inclusive policy, i would like to help you with your oppressed feelings
I feel oppressed over my opinions regarding Haru replacing Robik. They're not being respected. Also, I'm voting /agree on WoS joining. He's confirmed town.
oh, u r rite, i am sorry i shouldnt have used dismissiv language. ur opinion is valuable 2 me
but now we have an important point of discussion because how is WoS confirmed town?
On February 08 2014 10:22 WaveofShadow wrote: Surprise surprise. I don't even think I need role PMs anymore at this point, I can just assume.
I'd like to make it known ahead of time (to those of you who weren't on voice last night) I'm not even going to attempt to read Slam. You guys can do it, and I'll sheep along.
Now, time to gather some feels.
this is eerily similar opening to your mafia game though
What's similar about it?
the fact you feel disheartened/seemingly disappointed about getting a 'town' pm which is exactly what you did in your game as mafia and you haven't done it in your town games that i checked just now in your profile (newest town ones)
you rolled mafia didn't you ?
actual scum hunting here, incredibly suspicious of artanis now that he called wave confirmed town
On February 08 2014 10:22 WaveofShadow wrote: Surprise surprise. I don't even think I need role PMs anymore at this point, I can just assume.
I'd like to make it known ahead of time (to those of you who weren't on voice last night) I'm not even going to attempt to read Slam. You guys can do it, and I'll sheep along.
Now, time to gather some feels.
this is eerily similar opening to your mafia game though
What's similar about it?
the fact you feel disheartened/seemingly disappointed about getting a 'town' pm which is exactly what you did in your game as mafia and you haven't done it in your town games that i checked just now in your profile (newest town ones)
you rolled mafia didn't you ?
actual scum hunting here, incredibly suspicious of artanis now that he called wave confirmed town
On August 04 2014 08:46 Eden1892 wrote: wait artanis you did? why are you feeling oppressed, we at /towncircle, Inc. believe in equality and have a very inclusive policy, i would like to help you with your oppressed feelings
I feel oppressed over my opinions regarding Haru replacing Robik. They're not being respected. Also, I'm voting /agree on WoS joining. He's confirmed town.
I also want to call marv townish because he knows he can't get me mislynched as town, but it's a preliminary vote that can always move so I'm hesitant.
On August 04 2014 20:32 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I also want to call marv townish because he knows he can't get me mislynched as town, but it's a preliminary vote that can always move so I'm hesitant.
I so could.
You'd have to try really hard and you'd end up getting lynched yourself after unless town is dumb and doesn't realize how accurately you generally read me.
On August 04 2014 20:41 marvellosity wrote: not really sure. i think he jokes around more at the start as mafia usually, or waits a bit longer to get involved. maybe he listens less as well
You said hf looks town though, what made you say that?
On August 04 2014 20:44 Holyflare wrote: rather than segue onto what makes me mafia (nobody apparently knows) how about commenting on current things artanis
On August 04 2014 20:41 marvellosity wrote: not really sure. i think he jokes around more at the start as mafia usually, or waits a bit longer to get involved. maybe he listens less as well
You said hf looks town though, what made you say that?
? i've already talked as much as i want to about hf in my filter, which isn't very long.
Oh right, I should probably read your entire filter when I ask a question. That makes sense.
On August 04 2014 20:47 Holyflare wrote: well what you want isn't doing it for me, you acknowledged that you'd have to actually try in order to not get lynched but then all you've done is post one liners about someone being town etc
Nah, I wondered out loud if I needed to try. I'm gonna go with socializing my way to a townread again.
On August 04 2014 20:41 marvellosity wrote: not really sure. i think he jokes around more at the start as mafia usually, or waits a bit longer to get involved. maybe he listens less as well
You said hf looks town though, what made you say that?
? i've already talked as much as i want to about hf in my filter, which isn't very long.
Oh right, I should probably read your entire filter when I ask a question. That makes sense.
less jokey-useless-y, more artanis-gonna-solve-the-game-and-get-sheeped from pregame
On August 04 2014 20:54 marvellosity wrote: didn't say it was due to activity. if you have no desire to solve the game then you are probably mafia.
there's little point in arguing about this, you can either play some and see how it goes, or get lynched arguing with me about the exact semantics of effort and activity.
i don't really care that much.
Oh I won't get lynched unless people decide to play against their wincon by deadline. I'm just annoyed that there's votes on me atm, but not enough to do something about it that requires effort.
Kush I don't understand, I've said that if marv allows me to get lynched he's scum because he knows how to read me and has enough thread pull to prevent such a thing. I agree with him that I haven't tried so I can't fault him for that. I don't understand your issue.
On August 04 2014 22:35 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Kush I don't understand, I've said that if marv allows me to get lynched he's scum because he knows how to read me and has enough thread pull to prevent such a thing. I agree with him that I haven't tried so I can't fault him for that. I don't understand your issue.
Why are you making this circular argument about marv's ability to read you? Do something that looks townie and I will townread you. Right now it looks like you are trying to opt out of that, so I'm scumreading you.
On August 04 2014 20:47 Holyflare wrote: well what you want isn't doing it for me, you acknowledged that you'd have to actually try in order to not get lynched but then all you've done is post one liners about someone being town etc
Nah, I wondered out loud if I needed to try. I'm gonna go with socializing my way to a townread again.
plus other shit
Your post implied that you scumread me because I "rolled over" to marv. I've said that Marv should be able to read me by the end of the day.
Preliminary townread on GK. When he was scum in Showdown he made it very clear that he doesn't joke and didn't like to joke, yet he replied to one of my jokes in the start of the game. I don't think he'd change that if he were scum as he seems to be uncomfortable with the role.
I don't like Obi. In Storm Mafia 2 he showed a lot of self-awareness, commented a lot about things outside of the game like which account he uses, mentioned he's blending, etc, whereas in Titanic and Noir he opened a lot more aggressively, not putting any attention towards himself, his mafia play, other accounts or anything like that. Straight to business, albeit in a joking fashion in a very different flavour than he's done this game.
Do you have anything better to go of 15 hours into the game? I'm taking things I find potentially scummy and investigating if they've done it as town/scum.
On August 04 2014 23:03 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I don't like Obi. In Storm Mafia 2 he showed a lot of self-awareness, commented a lot about things outside of the game like which account he uses, mentioned he's blending, etc, whereas in Titanic and Noir he opened a lot more aggressively, not putting any attention towards himself, his mafia play, other accounts or anything like that. Straight to business, albeit in a joking fashion in a very different flavour than he's done this game.
So if i understand you right, mafia=self awareness, talking about stuff outside the game town=aggressive, straight to business.
So why don't you like him this game?? That's the part that didn't connect t ome. What about his "favour" points scummy?
Meta counterpoint: if you look at Titanic (I think) he had a very low energy early game similar to this one.
ok im talking too much i will talk less
His 6 first posts are all related to talking about himself or things related to himself outside of the game, things I didn't find him doing in his last two towngames, but sound similar to the scumgame I mentioned, leading me to believe it's a scum trait. It wasn't like that in Titanic.
On August 04 2014 11:28 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Fuck I got town again.
and the 5 next posts are him responding to people talking to him about that post. All those posts were in quick succession. He went afk and when he got back his posts were straight to business.
Fair point. It still gives me scummy vibes though in that he started about it to begin with, and had no problem keeping the discussion focused on himself.
On August 04 2014 23:36 HaruRH wrote: Also, what is really townie looking? To artanis, wos is his really townie guy despite many objections and scumreads on wos.
I actually kinda want to lynch Haru for that. If he really was scumhunting he'd have paid more attention and would've seen why I "super townread" WoS, but in the post he just made it's used more as a deflection. Coupled with how his reasoning has been very shallow, as hf mentioned it seems like he's not really interested in finding scum.
On August 04 2014 23:39 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I actually kinda want to lynch Haru for that. If he really was scumhunting he'd have paid more attention and would've seen why I "super townread" WoS, but in the post he just made it's used more as a deflection. Coupled with how his reasoning has been very shallow, as hf mentioned it seems like he's not really interested in finding scum.
I just want to ask marv what he is townreading people off. That's all.
For scumhunting, wait for more posts from lurkers. This is how I roll.
Have you found out what you've missed in my filter yet?
I gave my own reasoning for townreading GK unrelated to what was already posted, I'm still scumreading Obi and I've given reasoning for scumreading Haru. I've also done a bunch of meta research.
Vivax, don't you think part of the reason HF attacked strongly was to get the game started by getting a reaction though? It was mostly joking around until that point.
On August 05 2014 00:17 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I gave my own reasoning for townreading GK unrelated to what was already posted, I'm still scumreading Obi and I've given reasoning for scumreading Haru. I've also done a bunch of meta research.
And you're like 20 percent town. At best.
your reason was the exact reason that I already gave by the way
That's impossible as he just brought it up. He deflected marv's post by mentioning something about me super townreading wave for no good reason when if he had been paying attention he would've noticed that I mentioned townreading Wave from the get go. I even quoted it again when someone else asked it to me before. Bringing up this example felt awkward to begin with given his post so it makes no sense for him to do so unless he's trying to deflect.
Vivax, correct me if I'm wrong but it sounds to me like you're making an unflipped association between GK and WoS which seems to be the foundation to your case.
On August 05 2014 02:02 Eden1892 wrote: hey i just woke up and was catching up from my last post on p23, but around halfway thru p28, i said "nah fuck it"
who we killin? it's wave right? i might just move my vote there but first i have to do something
##UNVOTE: Artanis[Xp] ##VOTE: ObiWanShinobi
scummiest scum that ever scummed get d1'd again sucker
My hero <3 And nah, we're still policy lynching marv. /towncircle
On August 05 2014 00:25 Artanis[Xp] wrote: That's a pretty bad list kush.
how do you know
I'm on it for one, and I have minor townreads on the other two.
Haru, you've mentioned you favour Obi the most for a lynch today. Why have you not been pushing him or trying to interact with him? He's here and he's your biggest scumread yet you're not doing anything.
On August 05 2014 07:30 Eden1892 wrote: poofter town lean for posting relaxed and carefree like a townie minor town lean tho he needs to actually do something or else he'll be on the radar by day's end
gobble i'd have to go look up specifics to give a coherent explanation but i remember his posts having a lot of clarity of direction to them. he seemed like he was playing open and like he wasn't holding anything back. just looks townie to me
I don't think that's a good tell for poof. I've seen him post in cell as scum and he was very carefree there too. I'm not sure what really sets him out as mafia.
Save me from the tunnel plz because in the town games that I've read from haru when he scum hunts it includes quotes and posts and reasons and questions and he tries to find things, all I've seen from him now is generic lists and surface reading all over again and he just echos a lot of things already said
Dude wtf you're still twisting my words
I already said posting with quotes is paramount to suicide on mobile.
Also, I did not spend 25 minutes finding those stuff. I spent less than 3, but the effort of trying to copy and paste the quote using mobile is like trying to swallow a sword
Continue riding in the haru tunnel. Many had done so and collapsed in it. Known victims: rainbows, glowingbear
This post looks towny btw Reminds me of legit pissed wave but then again I am turrible with newbie comparisons or at least people new to me
Someone mentioned that WoS' entry looks forced/forged. I agree that it looks like he thought about it before posting but it feels like normal WoS to me, though I haven't played a scumgame with him it wouldn't surprise me if it came from town.
Wave, you mentioned you thought I was townie in the start. You haven't really mentioned that since other than telling Marv that you don't think I'm happening today. What's your read on me and why?
On August 05 2014 09:01 Vivax wrote: Artanis why can't you always be active like this and only when summoned
It's mere coincidence, I was already working on going through the thread before Eden posted.
Eden in your read about WoS you mention how Haru didn't hard defend WoS at first, yet later in Haru's defense you talk about how he defended a, from his perspective, town in WoS if he were scum and that not making sense. Do you consider what he did a defense or not?
On August 05 2014 09:01 Vivax wrote: Artanis why can't you always be active like this and only when summoned
It's mere coincidence, I was already working on going through the thread before Eden posted.
Eden in your read about WoS you mention how Haru didn't hard defend WoS at first, yet later in Haru's defense you talk about how he defended a, from his perspective, town in WoS if he were scum and that not making sense. Do you consider what he did a defense or not?
a defense but not a hard-defense; Haru never (iirc) called Wave town (which in my understanding of the term "hard defense" is a necessary component) but he did say the argument against Wave was null which, compared to others calling it scum, is a defense
Okay, but then it's merely semantics of using the word hard defense over defense. I don't find that very telling.
On August 04 2014 20:51 marvellosity wrote: it's an "artanis can't be bothered to play which makes it quite a bit likelier he's mafia" lynch
Then you're worse at reading me than I thought. When did number of pages stop being an indicator for me?
oh i finally understood this, flicking through your filter.
That cop-idiot game. and at the time you wrote this question, you had less than 2 in-game pages of filter, so shrug.
One game which you know I probably won't replicate, and at the time about 12 hours passed or so, so 2 pages is a lot. It's time to swallow the pill and unvote dear.
On August 05 2014 21:13 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Well, I did put in a bunch of effort this game but my brain seems to be absent so it's not really helping.
well you still have all day. i don't really know what i want from you though :x
I could say that I don't think I've ever used meta reads as scum because I've always been too lazy, but given I'm aware of that I guess that's not a very strong argument.
On August 05 2014 21:35 kushm4sta wrote: what does that excuse even mean, artanis? You suddenly got retarded? You don't have time? You aren't motivated?
I suddenly got retarded seems to be accurate. The lack of motivation follows from said realization.
On August 05 2014 21:35 Eden1892 wrote: arty post some reads please
My opinions pretty much follow popular opinion other than on myself. Vivax' interaction with me felt weird, just answering me when I asked a question and when I returned to the thread he just mentioned how I come back when summoned. I have no idea what his read on me is which is strange when I'm one of the biggest cases in the game.
Poof's return to the thread and his reads make no sense to me. I also have no idea how he thinks of me and have no idea how he hasn't commented on that.
And I'm not sure what to think about Haru. That one post that wave mentioned did give me pause but there's nothing else in his filter that gives me townie feels. The fact that he jumped on referring to me when it wasn't even accurate and the shallowness of his reads don't sit well with me. I also don't understand why he wasn't pushing his top scumread Obi earlier and still had his vote on me when I was 4th in line in his scummeter.
It's clear what my position is; Vivax, Poof, and Haru are all legitimate lynches for me. Anyone who doesn't know that isn't reading the thread. Why are you focussing on this unimportant issue rather than the actual reads?
On August 05 2014 21:49 Artanis[Xp] wrote: It's clear what my position is; Vivax, Poof, and Haru are all legitimate lynches for me. Anyone who doesn't know that isn't reading the thread. Why are you focussing on this unimportant issue rather than the actual reads?
if you had a gun, which would you kill, and why would you kill them over the other two?
I'd actually go with Haru. I'm not sure if he behaves this way as scum and that one post does give me pause, but the fact that I'm 4th on his kill list yet the one with his vote, the way he referred to my townread on Wave despite being very clear in why it was and the stuff HF mentioned about his reads all coming from stuff outside the game rather than the game itself make me the most confident in him. Second would be Vivax, partially because of popular opinion and partially because I've actually checked out some of Poof's other games and I really haven't come to a sound conclusion on what's different between his scum and towngame.
On August 05 2014 21:51 kushm4sta wrote: eden did you not see what marv said? last time he was scum he let town kill him without putting up a fight. That is metaevidence that he gives up as scum. So why are you townreading him for it?
the difference is that he's basically purposefully antagonising me right now.
Gotta get at least some enjoyment out of the game.
On August 05 2014 21:54 kushm4sta wrote: Of course artanis would do this as mafia. He is a person who likes logic and justice. He hates playing mafia. He is also prideful so he hates getting caught even more.
his reaction to getting "caught" (if that's how we're going to define this) is about as prideless as can be
I'd like to think I'm just honest about how I play. This game I've played like shit. That doesn't mean I'm shit, that just means I'm having a terrible game.
I don't have time to play this game for 12 hours Marv. I also have other things I need to do. I've put plenty of hours in the game, but you can't expect me to play the entire day.
Gobble I think your case is bad in that it doesn't explain why Haru is scum, at least the first part doesn't really matter to me. Scum is more likely to invent a bs reason to vote someone rather than just sheeping. I still think the strongest points are:
Deflecting something Marv said, bringing up an awkward example where he asks how strong Marv's townreads are compared to me super townreading Wave (which I explained was a joke in the string of posts where he initially read it)
List posts after saying he wouldn't bring up weak list posts on D1 as town because he doesn't view it as necessary.
Hypocritical in how he accuses other people of unsubstantiated reads when he does the same himself.
In the start, talking mostly about things outside of the game (HF has touched on this plenty)
On August 04 2014 22:55 marvellosity wrote: that's stupid though.
any townie not playing as townie as possible in order to prevent themselves being a NK is both obnoxiously stupid and a complete asswipe.
Yea, and thus all good townies will die in early days while scum celebrate the shitup of the thread.
The best way to get a good looking thread is if all the townies look really town so it's easy to find the mafia...
Problem is, what constitutes looking really townie? What heuristics do you use to judge?
For example, the way you judge town is probably going to be different from pooft, who plays tons of video mafia, and different from me, who plays tons of game mafia (sc2/wc3).
Also, what is really townie looking? To artanis, wos is his really townie guy despite many objections and scumreads on wos.
Explain to me, marv.
This is the post that felt really awkward. How is this important and all? It just feels like he wanted to add in something of substance, yet he hadn't even read the interactions between me and wos properly or he would've instantly found out.
On August 05 2014 23:05 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Gobble I think your case is bad in that it doesn't explain why Haru is scum, at least the first part doesn't really matter to me. Scum is more likely to invent a bs reason to vote someone rather than just sheeping. I still think the strongest points are:
Deflecting something Marv said, bringing up an awkward example where he asks how strong Marv's townreads are compared to me super townreading Wave (which I explained was a joke in the string of posts where he initially read it)
List posts after saying he wouldn't bring up weak list posts on D1 as town because he doesn't view it as necessary.
Hypocritical in how he accuses other people of unsubstantiated reads when he does the same himself.
In the start, talking mostly about things outside of the game (HF has touched on this plenty)
Wrong. Your arguments aren't correct too.
1) I did not ask how strong marv's townreads are. I am asking if his townreads will align with anyone, thus achieving his 'everyone playing so townie scum dies' part.
2) I promised list posts. I delivered. I won't bother with anymore of this weak argument.
3) No. Like I said (this will be the very last time im saying this), I don't scumread based on unsubstantiated reads. It is instead based on how much content they are willing to deliver through their different promises. A potential content giver who haven't give shit early d1 (this is expected) is null read by me. But not you guys who deny content from me.
4) seriously?
1) You asked Marv what a strong townread was when this bore no relevance to the question. It was a deflection. 2) You said you don't give weak list posts as town, then you proceeded to give weak list posts. It's a contradiction. 3) Are you seriously saying you let promises influence your decision? Mafia are the king of promises. Townies just deliver when they have the information. 4) Yes.
On August 05 2014 23:05 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Gobble I think your case is bad in that it doesn't explain why Haru is scum, at least the first part doesn't really matter to me. Scum is more likely to invent a bs reason to vote someone rather than just sheeping. I still think the strongest points are:
Deflecting something Marv said, bringing up an awkward example where he asks how strong Marv's townreads are compared to me super townreading Wave (which I explained was a joke in the string of posts where he initially read it)
List posts after saying he wouldn't bring up weak list posts on D1 as town because he doesn't view it as necessary.
Hypocritical in how he accuses other people of unsubstantiated reads when he does the same himself.
In the start, talking mostly about things outside of the game (HF has touched on this plenty)
Wrong. Your arguments aren't correct too.
1) I did not ask how strong marv's townreads are. I am asking if his townreads will align with anyone, thus achieving his 'everyone playing so townie scum dies' part.
2) I promised list posts. I delivered. I won't bother with anymore of this weak argument.
3) No. Like I said (this will be the very last time im saying this), I don't scumread based on unsubstantiated reads. It is instead based on how much content they are willing to deliver through their different promises. A potential content giver who haven't give shit early d1 (this is expected) is null read by me. But not you guys who deny content from me.
4) seriously?
1) You asked Marv what a strong townread was when this bore no relevance to the question. It was a deflection. 2) You said you don't give weak list posts as town, then you proceeded to give weak list posts. It's a contradiction. 3) Are you seriously saying you let promises influence your decision? Mafia are the king of promises. Townies just deliver when they have the information. 4) Yes.
1) how did you interpret 'Problem is, what constitutes looking really townie? What heuristics do you use to judge?' As what a strong townread was? Deflection from? It bore relevance to how I attempt to read marv.
2) yes and no. I said I dont give reads d1. I did not say I dont give weak list posts. Quote where I said it IN CONTEXT to the previous post I am replying to.
3) Yes. If you decide to give jackshit, you're trying to lurk.
4) no.
1) It should be very obvious what he means with top town. The comment was completely irrelevant to the context, thus deflecting from the original topic. 2) See Marv 3) Promises are irrelevant to actually doing things. Also, my original point was that your reads are unsubstantiated. You haven't given a proper case with reasoning on why I'm scum other than a very vague "his filter is unreadable and he hasn't delivered content". I have given concrete reasons for why you're scum. 4) Yes.
On August 05 2014 23:15 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Haru if you think scum would want to hide in top town why are all the people you suspect the people everyone suspects?
So you're saying I must 100% throw them in scumreads? Not allowed to park them in null reads until I see anything fishy?
You have 5 (!!) scumreads and you have barely interacted with them, and then you still think there are scumreads in your null reads. How is anyone meant to take your reads seriously?
Haru why aren't you engaging me on reasons that you think that I'm mafia? You have a million scumreads but you're only defending yourself and not trying to figure out my alignment. Given how many scumreads you have it seems unlikely you're convinced on me.
1) Townie looking: People posting looking townie because they're doing townie things like scumhunting and trying to solve the game. 2) Give some keywords at least to find it quicker. I have no idea what you mean. 3) You think anyone who doesn't promise content won't produce content? Are you like, being serious? I'm proving you wrong right now for one. Most people deliver content without promising it.
Also, what I'm asking is is the reasoning you used earlier (scum hiding in top town) relevant to your own list? Do you think it's likely there's scum hiding in your (top) town list?
On August 05 2014 08:55 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Someone mentioned that WoS' entry looks forced/forged. I agree that it looks like he thought about it before posting but it feels like normal WoS to me, though I haven't played a scumgame with him it wouldn't surprise me if it came from town.
Firstly, for someone who used meta reads on others early on, why do you leave a blank for scumreading wos? It is almost like you decided to not research into wos when earlier on, you mentioned that you did a ton of meta research.
I didn't do it for WoS because I was just pouring out reads at the time. I felt producing content quickly was more important than doing deep research, and I was hoping to spark a response with someone that was more knowledgable about wos' meta as he's played a lot of games in the past.
Save me from the tunnel plz because in the town games that I've read from haru when he scum hunts it includes quotes and posts and reasons and questions and he tries to find things, all I've seen from him now is generic lists and surface reading all over again and he just echos a lot of things already said
Dude wtf you're still twisting my words
I already said posting with quotes is paramount to suicide on mobile.
Also, I did not spend 25 minutes finding those stuff. I spent less than 3, but the effort of trying to copy and paste the quote using mobile is like trying to swallow a sword
Continue riding in the haru tunnel. Many had done so and collapsed in it. Known victims: rainbows, glowingbear
This post looks towny btw Reminds me of legit pissed wave but then again I am turrible with newbie comparisons or at least people new to me
THE HARU READ IS COMING #yolopromises
I actually kind of agree with this, meh.
Secondly, why are you attempting to scumread me for posting list posts when you already knew I was going to do so? I don't back off promises.
It's not saying you were going to do it; it's that you mentioned at first you don't make weak list posts as town, then proceed to make a weak list post.
On August 05 2014 21:35 kushm4sta wrote: what does that excuse even mean, artanis? You suddenly got retarded? You don't have time? You aren't motivated?
I suddenly got retarded seems to be accurate. The lack of motivation follows from said realization.
On August 05 2014 21:35 Eden1892 wrote: arty post some reads please
My opinions pretty much follow popular opinion other than on myself. Vivax' interaction with me felt weird, just answering me when I asked a question and when I returned to the thread he just mentioned how I come back when summoned. I have no idea what his read on me is which is strange when I'm one of the biggest cases in the game.
Poof's return to the thread and his reads make no sense to me. I also have no idea how he thinks of me and have no idea how he hasn't commented on that.
Third, you explicitly mentioned how your opinions (at that time) followed popular opinion. Is that not something you considered when you raised the point that I was sheeping eden for no reason?
I never raised you sheeping eden for no reason as a point for calling you scum. Only that it doesn't make sense in the context of scumreading 3 other people above me.
On August 05 2014 00:25 Artanis[Xp] wrote: That's a pretty bad list kush.
how do you know
I'm on it for one, and I have minor townreads on the other two.
Haru, you've mentioned you favour Obi the most for a lynch today. Why have you not been pushing him or trying to interact with him? He's here and he's your biggest scumread yet you're not doing anything.
On August 05 2014 07:30 Eden1892 wrote: poofter town lean for posting relaxed and carefree like a townie minor town lean tho he needs to actually do something or else he'll be on the radar by day's end
gobble i'd have to go look up specifics to give a coherent explanation but i remember his posts having a lot of clarity of direction to them. he seemed like he was playing open and like he wasn't holding anything back. just looks townie to me
I don't think that's a good tell for poof. I've seen him post in cell as scum and he was very carefree there too. I'm not sure what really sets him out as mafia.
Your meta read on poofter is the weirdest thing ever. You meta read as null if he was carefree, but town if he spammed town today. How are these 2 mutually exclusive such that a non-carefree pooft would spam town over a carefree pooft, who wouldn't and thus fall into his supposed mafia meta, which you alteady said you don't know what sets him out as mafia?
I said that carefree wasn't alignment indicative for him because he's done it as both scum and town. I've seen pooft spam that he's town 100 times in a game I've played with him, which he did as town. Someone brought up that he would never do that as scum. I'm not sure of it but I figure it's a decent heuristic. I never said that carefree or non-carefree indicates anything for poof; he's just naturally carefree.
On August 05 2014 23:55 kushm4sta wrote: itt artanis sheeps/buddies marv, gangbangs haru
But I have different reasons for scumreading haru than marv does and voted him before he did. Marv showed a stronger inclination to lynch Vivax first.
But you didn't really push it before marv started to. Now that he is on it you suddenly start to question Haru.
Actually, it was after Gobble that I did.
Which was basically at the same time?
I had already indicated Haru was my top scumread, so it's not really relevant.
Yes, it is. You did indicate it earlier but you only started pushing and more importantly questioning when they started to.
I really don't see how it's alignment indicative. I went to do other things, saw that Haru came back into the thread and started pushing him as he did more scummy stuff.
Also I can't get behind Gobble as scum. I know I'm town and I see no reason why he'd abandon my wagon when there's still plenty of steam for it. The change in attitude when it was unnecessary makes no sense for him from a scum perspective.
On August 06 2014 04:30 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Also I can't get behind Gobble as scum. I know I'm town and I see no reason why he'd abandon my wagon when there's still plenty of steam for it. The change in attitude when it was unnecessary makes no sense for him from a scum perspective.
There wasn't a reason for marv to push any townie over Xata in titanic and yet he did exactly that. Faulty faulty reasoning.
Because Marv and Gobble are extremely comparable players. Take into context that Gobble is not a high volume poster.
On August 06 2014 04:35 Vivax wrote: Your reasoning isn't acceptable if you look at the facts posted. It's that typical egocentric reasoning any scum can use by saying "I know I'm town", and even if it was true it would be so WIFOM-y that it would exactly lead to nowhere.
I'm telling you why I'm not voting for him. I have information that you don't; my alignment. It also doesn't matter if scum can abuse it. I know it can be abused, it IS abused, but I don't think Gobble would simply due to his seeming nature as a low volume poster.
On August 06 2014 04:35 Vivax wrote: Your reasoning isn't acceptable if you look at the facts posted. It's that typical egocentric reasoning any scum can use by saying "I know I'm town", and even if it was true it would be so WIFOM-y that it would exactly lead to nowhere.
I'm telling you why I'm not voting for him. I have information that you don't; my alignment. It also doesn't matter if scum can abuse it. I know it can be abused, it IS abused, but I don't think Gobble would simply due to his seeming nature as a low volume poster.
So you're saying that no matter how scummy a guy looks, you're going to vote for him cause he unvoted you when your wagon had the chance to get you lynched?
It completely skips over any post analysis.
I'm saying that given the amount of content he's provided and the amount of time he's spent in the thread I don't consider him a good lynch candidate even solely based off that, yes. On top of that, I think his initial read on me was warranted. He's one of the people I'm least interested in lynching today.
On August 06 2014 04:35 Vivax wrote: Your reasoning isn't acceptable if you look at the facts posted. It's that typical egocentric reasoning any scum can use by saying "I know I'm town", and even if it was true it would be so WIFOM-y that it would exactly lead to nowhere.
I'm telling you why I'm not voting for him. I have information that you don't; my alignment. It also doesn't matter if scum can abuse it. I know it can be abused, it IS abused, but I don't think Gobble would simply due to his seeming nature as a low volume poster.
So you're saying that no matter how scummy a guy looks, you're going to vote for him cause he unvoted you when your wagon had the chance to get you lynched?
It completely skips over any post analysis.
There are some more logical problems with it. 1) If the wagon still has steam maybe he didn't want to be on a mislynch wagon? 2) I don't think anything was settled at that point in time. Artanis is giving the unvote way to much weight.
1) He started the wagon and wasn't the one pushing it through. It doesn't seem likely that it'd come back to haunt him. 2) Of course not, but you'd want to keep the train in motion as scum.
On August 06 2014 04:47 Eden1892 wrote: who the fuck are we lynching today?
I'd still like to see Haru hang from a tree. His questions towards me when he had the chance really didn't go anywhere and I was unsatisfied with his replies regarding my points on him.
On August 06 2014 04:35 Vivax wrote: Your reasoning isn't acceptable if you look at the facts posted. It's that typical egocentric reasoning any scum can use by saying "I know I'm town", and even if it was true it would be so WIFOM-y that it would exactly lead to nowhere.
I'm telling you why I'm not voting for him. I have information that you don't; my alignment. It also doesn't matter if scum can abuse it. I know it can be abused, it IS abused, but I don't think Gobble would simply due to his seeming nature as a low volume poster.
So you're saying that no matter how scummy a guy looks, you're going to vote for him cause he unvoted you when your wagon had the chance to get you lynched?
It completely skips over any post analysis.
I'm saying that given the amount of content he's provided and the amount of time he's spent in the thread I don't consider him a good lynch candidate even solely based off that, yes. On top of that, I think his initial read on me was warranted. He's one of the people I'm least interested in lynching today.
I would argue he's one of the guys who posted the least, if not THE guy who posted the least, so I don't see why now you use a post volume argument.
The post volume to content, and intelligent decision making ratio seems too high for him to likely be scum to me.
I dunno, it seems like a really weird thing to lie about, especially when the guy that played that game with you is playing in this game too. Doesn't really make sense.
On August 06 2014 05:54 kushm4sta wrote: jat, i dont get why you are so strung up on that. haru thought the METHODS behind the reads were scummy. the reads themselves were early so ofc scum could be busing or his reads could be straight up wrong.
Yeah? I don't get how you can't see how blatantly scummy that is. It is like he just forgot his "scumreads".
This reminds me of someone, namely you. We've had pretty similar scumspects throughout the game (Haru, Obi at the start and Haru, Poof later on) yet I've been (one of) your top scumspects as well. What's up with that?
On August 06 2014 05:54 kushm4sta wrote: jat, i dont get why you are so strung up on that. haru thought the METHODS behind the reads were scummy. the reads themselves were early so ofc scum could be busing or his reads could be straight up wrong.
Yeah? I don't get how you can't see how blatantly scummy that is. It is like he just forgot his "scumreads".
This reminds me of someone, namely you. We've had pretty similar scumspects throughout the game (Haru, Obi at the start and Haru, Poof later on) yet I've been (one of) your top scumspects as well. What's up with that?
The deciding difference here is that I did not call you scum for having those reads.
On August 06 2014 05:57 kushm4sta wrote: can we compromise on artanis though?
Can I call you bad for this after the game even though I've played bad too?
having incorrect reads d1 is not bad.
I'm glad you agree you're reading me incorrectly.
No. I'm saying if I'm wrong about you that wouldn't make me bad. I see what you are doing right now as obvious scum mind games so I still believe im correct about yuou.
On August 06 2014 06:14 Eden1892 wrote: p.s. vote haru
This. [list][*] Deflecting something Marv said, bringing up an awkward example where he asks how strong Marv's townreads are compared to me super townreading Wave (which I explained was a joke in the string of posts where he initially read it) [*] List posts after saying he wouldn't bring up weak list posts on D1 as town because he doesn't view it as necessary. [*] Hypocritical in how he accuses other people of unsubstantiated reads when he does the same himself. [*] In the start, talking mostly about things outside of the game (HF has touched on this plenty)
Congratulations, I'm very proud that you were able to fix the bbcode.
1. Because it was phrased in a completely awkward way. It was basically dragged along, and then it turned out he hadn't even read it properly. Why would you bring up something that isn't even related when you haven't even read the context? 2+3 Weak excuse. It means he didn't actually stand for what he said, which means his initial comments of how he doesn't do that were lies.
Also the people that wondered out loud why I replaced out was something that really bothered me. I understand your frustration with how it went and I definitely shouldn't have posted that , but I had pretty much no choice regarding replacing out. I've got a thesis due on the 18th but I thought I could combine it with Mafia as I was planning on just spending 2 hours a day on it, but I ended up not doing that and gathering up all the work. Still thought I could but the entire day I was just thinking about the game and couldn't focus so I had to replace out.
In the end I ended up spending my time on the BW Reunion Tournament I'm hosting instead though and I'm probably just going to pass up on handing in the thesis and drop out but that's a topic I'd rather not discuss in the open out here.