On August 06 2014 05:11 Eden1892 wrote: Alright, I made my decision. I mean it this time, seriously for real.
##UNVOTE: gobbledydook ##VOTE: HaruRH
Like I said earlier, go look at Haru's filter. His vote has been on Artanis forever, but he explicitly backed off of Artanis in favor of gobbledydook. Haru hasn't been pushing his lynch target much at all this game, no matter who it's been. He has no thread presence by choice, lots of posting but he's not going anywhere with it. Furthermore, he seemed far too resigned to being lynched compared to my read on his personality from our previous game together. Haru is a fighter, he's a prideful player - great traits to have IMO. He wouldn't go down so meekly if he were town. He would have raised holy hell at the fact that a wagon piled up on him as quickly as it did and he would have fought like hell to get out of it. I know he's not around now due to timezones, that's not on him, but he had plenty of time to push the lynch he wanted and he didn't, and he had plenty of time to fight his lynch and he didn't. Of the lynches that look viable at this point, this is easily the best.
I wanted to address this yesterday, but I was so down and busy trying to prove artanis is scummy that I didn't bother to.
Eden, last time I fought the lynch, you personally attacked me so hard I nearly wanted to quit the game. Only the parity cop claim changed your mind. I also don't want to appease you, I don't feel the need to. I just need to play a game where I am not typing in all caps to prove a point. I am a fighter yes, but I am no fighter in d1. D1 haru is crap. So crap that any reads I make d1 are usually scumread (read: detention mafia, newbie mafia lvi) and the only time I survived d1 posting a read and push was during the most recent mafia game.
Oh yes, I'll burn up when I have a conclusive read but people choose to push me instead. ^ this objective cannot be met if I literally cannot make reads d1.
I have trouble buying this attitude as townHaru.
Explain.
I just don't think you are the type of player who plays himself down as town after your performance in Order. I really don't.
Hey jat I have an idea..how about you don't make assumptions about his behavior you really can't make.
@eden the second part of your defense is kind of a tooscummytobescum argument, right? Here's what it looked like to me: he was confirmed lurking near EoD - SCUMMY he voted to ensure Vivax, someone who hard scumread him, got lynched.
Scum did not want a no lynch either. Given the the options of lynching Vivax, a strong analytical townie, or a no lynch, scum will pick lynching vivax every time.
On August 06 2014 23:40 kushm4sta wrote: @eden the second part of your defense is kind of a tooscummytobescum argument, right? Here's what it looked like to me: he was confirmed lurking near EoD - SCUMMY he voted to ensure Vivax, someone who hard scumread him, got lynched.
Scum did not want a no lynch either. Given the the options of lynching Vivax, a strong analytical townie, or a no lynch, scum will pick lynching vivax every time.
you're scumreading someone for being in a different timezone? for realsies?
no. if he wasn't there at eod that's one thing. but he was confirmed there, and following enough to know that a no lynch was possible
On August 06 2014 23:44 Eden1892 wrote: not at all a too scummy to be scum argument... he was around for the last few minutes at EOD even though he had a valid excuse not to be which indicates a desire to be present at EOD which is townie
why wouldn't scum want a no-lynch? they would love to reduce the # of mislynches they need to force by 1 without giving us a flip
and who cares if Vivax hard scumread him? that doesn't mean anything for his alignment since that wasn't the reason he voted Vivax off
Scum have a huge desire to be present at EoD, just not be active. He wanted to see if he was getting lynched. Why wouldn't scum want a no lynch?? Because lynching town is better than lynching no one for scum. Who cares if vivax hard scumread him? That just gives him more incentive to want vivax dead.
eden im not saying that his vote switch is evidence that he's scum. I'm just saying it's not evidence that he is town, because there is plenty of scum motivation for doing exactly what he did.
So this is from his towngame, right?
WHY SLYGUY270 IS MAFIA
Let's look at what he has said.
The first thing he does, is vote Damian without providing any reason whatsoever. He then disappears for a few hours. He gets caught out and tries to explain that by saying that he didn't like instant first posts because they seem mafia to him. Which isn't really a reason, he hasn't justified why the posting time indicates anything about alignment. He dismisses Socrates's question about his behaviour by saying he can't convince him anyway. Then he jumps on WardenDresden's ridiculous troll post about players starting with the letter G to be mafia, without any reason either.
He is appearing to contribute, without actually contributing anything. So I ask slyguy270:
1) Gtlblx has been active in driving discussion in the game. What do you find about his posts that you do not like about him, such that you are voting for him? No a 1 sentence response like 'his name defense is bad' won't cut it.
2) What are your other town and scum reads right now? Provide detailed explanations.
eden, the scum motivation is that vivax hard scumread him, so it makes sense that scumgobble would want vivax gone. the other motivation is lynching a townie is better than a no lynch for scum. the other motivation is vivax is a strong player, who probably would have proved himself to be town the more he talked. I already said all that.
Ok here's another case from him as town:
WHY WARDENDRESDEN IS ALSO MAFIA
Looking back over WardenDresden's posts.
His first post:
He jumps on slyguy's damian bandwagon without offering any new substance. His statements about damian being a mod and posting first frankly are not logical. They in no way predict his alignment yet Warden brushes aside the obvious logical holes and continues to lynch damian.
He then has a bit where 'I think we can learn a lot about playstyles from last game, but once again, it does little to justify any suspicions, but it can help exonerate players whose styles have been confirmed as innocent.'.
That is just saying nothing. He's just saying, we should look at the last game, but it doesn't matter anyway, but it might help slightly somewhere, which obviously is not saying anything at all.
His second post:
He now admits that his mod lynch idea won't gain any traction (obviously, since it doesn't make sense) and then makes a bogus argument about thinning out players with the same starting letter 'to reduce confusion'. I thought we are certainly capable of telling players apart so that shouldn't even be an argument. So basically, his second post is also completely useless.
His third post:
He attempts to justify his illogical lynch reasons above as trying to create discussion. There are better ways to promote discussion than making bad posts. What he was doing is make posts that seem like he's saying something but he isn't.
Then he says he agrees with our suspicions of slyguy, but then rather than voting slyguy, votes for *me* instead for being 'too self-important'. That's the worst argument I have ever seen from him, and it suggests that he is just trying to save slyguy by trying to divert attention.
Therefore,
##Vote: WardenDresden
His posts are devoid of substance, he is trying to look like he is agreeing with other people without following up on it, and he's trying to lynch people making actual contributions.
Slyguy is probably also mafia, but right now Warden is the worst of the bunch.
eden im not using his last second vote as evidence that he is scum. i'm just saying I dont think it's evidence that he's town. ~~~ obi is town who does antitown shit sometimes.
On August 04 2014 18:56 HaruRH wrote: Artanis feels scummy for buddying with someone who had suspect entrance and suspect posts.
Then he votes Artanis without any reason other than basically other people voted too. No attempt to substantiate the vote. If he were trying to scumhunt would he not have a better reason than 'Artanis is close to someone I think is suspicious'? I thought mafia generally avoid associating with each other? The conclusion therefore, is he's just voting so he can put his vote somewhere.
Read the bolded closely. GD is making it seem like Haru is making an association case between artanis and whoever. When Haru's reason for suspecting artanis actually had nothing to do with associations.
On August 07 2014 00:30 Onegu wrote: I will say someone has my gut going off as scum that I normally have correctly read in the past. You know who you are.
what is your gut telling you, and try to verbalize why your gut is telling you that.
On August 04 2014 18:56 HaruRH wrote: Artanis feels scummy for buddying with someone who had suspect entrance and suspect posts.
Then he votes Artanis without any reason other than basically other people voted too. No attempt to substantiate the vote. If he were trying to scumhunt would he not have a better reason than 'Artanis is close to someone I think is suspicious'? I thought mafia generally avoid associating with each other? The conclusion therefore, is he's just voting so he can put his vote somewhere.
Read the bolded closely. GD is making it seem like Haru is making an association case between artanis and whoever. When Haru's reason for suspecting artanis actually had nothing to do with associations.
maybe you could not snip pertinent parts of his post when you try to interpret it...
right before that he points out that Haru was sheeping:
On August 04 2014 18:56 HaruRH wrote: Artanis feels scummy for buddying with someone who had suspect entrance and suspect posts.
On August 04 2014 19:04 HaruRH wrote:
On August 04 2014 08:18 Eden1892 wrote: I propose the following rule: If a majority of the members of the /towncircle agree to policy lynch someone, all members of the /towncircle must follow through on the policy lynch until the person who initially proposed it unvotes the target.
##Unvote ##Vote: Artanis
Here he sheeps on Artanis. The post before the vote he says something really vague that isn't even necessarily correct. Then he votes Artanis without any reason other than basically other people voted too. No attempt to substantiate the vote. If he were trying to scumhunt would he not have a better reason than 'Artanis is close to someone I think is suspicious'? I thought mafia generally avoid associating with each other? The conclusion therefore, is he's just voting so he can put his vote somewhere.
gobble is assessing the only reason Haru gave, which Haru did in fact give - that Arty felt scummy for buddying someone suspicious. this isn't a misinterpretation at all
Not sure what you are getting at here. Haru thought Artanis was scummy for buddying someone suspicious. Gobbles says that makes no sense because scum wouldn't buddy scum. But Haru does not imply that scum is buddying scum. He says that artanis is buddying some who LOOKS scummy.
On August 04 2014 18:56 HaruRH wrote: Artanis feels scummy for buddying with someone who had suspect entrance and suspect posts.
Then he votes Artanis without any reason other than basically other people voted too. No attempt to substantiate the vote. If he were trying to scumhunt would he not have a better reason than 'Artanis is close to someone I think is suspicious'? I thought mafia generally avoid associating with each other? The conclusion therefore, is he's just voting so he can put his vote somewhere.
Read the bolded closely. GD is making it seem like Haru is making an association case between artanis and whoever. When Haru's reason for suspecting artanis actually had nothing to do with associations.
maybe you could not snip pertinent parts of his post when you try to interpret it...
right before that he points out that Haru was sheeping:
On August 05 2014 22:53 gobbledydook wrote:
On August 04 2014 18:56 HaruRH wrote: Artanis feels scummy for buddying with someone who had suspect entrance and suspect posts.
On August 04 2014 19:04 HaruRH wrote:
On August 04 2014 08:18 Eden1892 wrote: I propose the following rule: If a majority of the members of the /towncircle agree to policy lynch someone, all members of the /towncircle must follow through on the policy lynch until the person who initially proposed it unvotes the target.
##Unvote ##Vote: Artanis
Here he sheeps on Artanis. The post before the vote he says something really vague that isn't even necessarily correct. Then he votes Artanis without any reason other than basically other people voted too. No attempt to substantiate the vote. If he were trying to scumhunt would he not have a better reason than 'Artanis is close to someone I think is suspicious'? I thought mafia generally avoid associating with each other? The conclusion therefore, is he's just voting so he can put his vote somewhere.
gobble is assessing the only reason Haru gave, which Haru did in fact give - that Arty felt scummy for buddying someone suspicious. this isn't a misinterpretation at all
Not sure what you are getting at here. Haru thought Artanis was scummy for buddying someone suspicious. Gobbles says that makes no sense because scum wouldn't buddy scum. But Haru does not imply that scum is buddying scum. He says that artanis is buddying some who LOOKS scummy.
that strikes me as a really meaningless distinction. can you explain for me why that's a meaningful enough distinction not only to warrant calling the missing of that distinction a misinterpretation, but a willful one?
The reasons people give for their scumreads usually make up a very small percentage of their filters, but they are the most important parts of their filters by far.
On August 04 2014 18:56 HaruRH wrote: Artanis feels scummy for buddying with someone who had suspect entrance and suspect posts.
Gobbles has this to say about it:
If he were trying to scumhunt would he not have a better reason than 'Artanis is close to someone I think is suspicious'? I thought mafia generally avoid associating with each other? The conclusion therefore, is he's just voting so he can put his vote somewhere.
According to Gobbles, Haru is suspicious of Artanis because Artanis is buddying with someone Haru thinks is scum. That is not what Haru meant at all though. Haru meant that Artanis is suspicious because he's buddying someone he should have been skeptical of.
That major misrepresentation, one that I doubt town would ever make, is the only specific reason gobbles gives for voting Haru.
On August 04 2014 18:56 HaruRH wrote: Artanis feels scummy for buddying with someone who had suspect entrance and suspect posts.
Then he votes Artanis without any reason other than basically other people voted too. No attempt to substantiate the vote. If he were trying to scumhunt would he not have a better reason than 'Artanis is close to someone I think is suspicious'? I thought mafia generally avoid associating with each other? The conclusion therefore, is he's just voting so he can put his vote somewhere.
Read the bolded closely. GD is making it seem like Haru is making an association case between artanis and whoever. When Haru's reason for suspecting artanis actually had nothing to do with associations.
maybe you could not snip pertinent parts of his post when you try to interpret it...
right before that he points out that Haru was sheeping:
On August 05 2014 22:53 gobbledydook wrote:
On August 04 2014 18:56 HaruRH wrote: Artanis feels scummy for buddying with someone who had suspect entrance and suspect posts.
On August 04 2014 19:04 HaruRH wrote:
On August 04 2014 08:18 Eden1892 wrote: I propose the following rule: If a majority of the members of the /towncircle agree to policy lynch someone, all members of the /towncircle must follow through on the policy lynch until the person who initially proposed it unvotes the target.
##Unvote ##Vote: Artanis
Here he sheeps on Artanis. The post before the vote he says something really vague that isn't even necessarily correct. Then he votes Artanis without any reason other than basically other people voted too. No attempt to substantiate the vote. If he were trying to scumhunt would he not have a better reason than 'Artanis is close to someone I think is suspicious'? I thought mafia generally avoid associating with each other? The conclusion therefore, is he's just voting so he can put his vote somewhere.
gobble is assessing the only reason Haru gave, which Haru did in fact give - that Arty felt scummy for buddying someone suspicious. this isn't a misinterpretation at all
Not sure what you are getting at here. Haru thought Artanis was scummy for buddying someone suspicious. Gobbles says that makes no sense because scum wouldn't buddy scum. But Haru does not imply that scum is buddying scum. He says that artanis is buddying some who LOOKS scummy.
that strikes me as a really meaningless distinction. can you explain for me why that's a meaningful enough distinction not only to warrant calling the missing of that distinction a misinterpretation, but a willful one?
The reasons people give for their scumreads usually make up a very small percentage of their filters, but they are the most important parts of their filters by far.
On August 04 2014 18:56 HaruRH wrote: Artanis feels scummy for buddying with someone who had suspect entrance and suspect posts.
Gobbles has this to say about it:
If he were trying to scumhunt would he not have a better reason than 'Artanis is close to someone I think is suspicious'? I thought mafia generally avoid associating with each other? The conclusion therefore, is he's just voting so he can put his vote somewhere.
According to Gobbles, Haru is suspicious of Artanis because Artanis is buddying with someone Haru thinks is scum. That is not what Haru meant at all though. Haru meant that Artanis is suspicious because he's buddying someone he should have been skeptical of.
That major misrepresentation, one that I doubt town would ever make, is the only specific reason gobbles gives for voting Haru.
ok, i see how that's a misinterpretation, but i don't see how it's "a major misrepresentation, one that i doubt town would ever make."
think about it, you just had to explain to me how it's a misinterpretation. meaning that i, too, interpreted it the same way gobble did. am i scum?
I don't think you interpreted it the same way Gobble did. Just because the misrepresentation is hard to recognize doesn't make it likely for town to make it.
On August 04 2014 18:56 HaruRH wrote: Artanis feels scummy for buddying with someone who had suspect entrance and suspect posts.
Eden, when you read that you thought Haru was saying that artanis is scummy for buddying scum?
EPT
