On August 11 2014 07:01 Holyflare wrote: how can you have misgivings if you haven't looked at the thread? eden even said he liked obi and i kinda do too
I have my collective thoughts from a couple days back when I was looking at this more closely, and I have the last few thread pages where you're saying both are probably scum. And yet... pushing super hard for one lynch over the other for some reason.
Fuck this game. I'm done for now. Can anyone tell me if the 24 hour day was from the beginning because if it was ninja added it was a nefarious thing to do.
With this next lynch we're going to literally need unanimous townpile onto a scum wagon. The only way I really see that happening is /sheeping.
Time would be well spent deciding how we're going to achieve a unanimous decision. Ideally a town leader and/or primary lynch target can be named by whoever dies tonight via a last minute before deadline ninjapost. Everyone with any chance of dying should make something like this...
There's a few ways to implement this this is how I'd do it. Whatever we do tho we need to establish /towncircle and force sheeping. There's not room for error anymore.
On August 11 2014 13:53 Eden1892 wrote: Fine, I'll bite.
GOODKARMA: Who should we make the CEO of /towncircle Co. for the rest of the game? Also be sure to name two successors since our leader(s) will surely be killed off. Actually name 3 since that's how many nightkills the mafia have before we win
Do you seriously think we stand a snowflake's prayer in hell of getting through this game without ensuring everyone consolidates? What I suggested is one way to ensure a non-scum influenced lynch. There's enough scummy people in this game right now that we're very unlikely to go 3 for 3 otherwise. Otherwise scum just goes "yeah this guy looks scummy," steers a lynch, and we lose gg.
As it is, it's a very hard battle. I kinda doubt we recover and win this. But /sheep is the best thing we can do. And if you /sheep the dude who just died, you guarantee a townie-led lynch. And if you have that dude post the desired lynch target just before deadline, scum nightkill couldn't have possibly been influenced by directing a mislynch based on people's reads. There's no doubt other ways to go about this, but I like mine the bestest. If you want to come up with your own method feel free to, but I'd encourage you to think up something instead of berating me and fast.
It's pretty clear you're going pants-on-head right now. Quite honestly, if you're going to be super-bad and disregard any suggestions to ensure some semblance of consolidation and as a result, ensure we lose, I really don't have the energy to argue right now. I can't be bothered to dive in and solve this game anything I say will probably get ignored anyway.
People have this super-stupid idea that if you don't post a ton you don't have anything meaningful to say. And so we get caught up in this shit-post war when anything off the top of your mind gets thrown onto paper and posted. It doesn't do anyone any favors, makes the game unreadable, and hurts town. This is probably my last game for at least a while. It was nowhere near this bad before, and I honestly can't understand how it ever got this way. Only playing limited post games if I play in the future 20+ page shitfilters aren't worth my time.
On August 11 2014 13:53 Eden1892 wrote: Fine, I'll bite.
GOODKARMA: Who should we make the CEO of /towncircle Co. for the rest of the game? Also be sure to name two successors since our leader(s) will surely be killed off. Actually name 3 since that's how many nightkills the mafia have before we win
Do you seriously think we stand a snowflake's prayer in hell of getting through this game without ensuring everyone consolidates? What I suggested is one way to ensure a non-scum influenced lynch. There's enough scummy people in this game right now that we're very unlikely to go 3 for 3 otherwise. Otherwise scum just goes "yeah this guy looks scummy," steers a lynch, and we lose gg.
As it is, it's a very hard battle. I kinda doubt we recover and win this. But /sheep is the best thing we can do. And if you /sheep the dude who just died, you guarantee a townie-led lynch. And if you have that dude post the desired lynch target just before deadline, scum nightkill couldn't have possibly been influenced by directing a mislynch based on people's reads. There's no doubt other ways to go about this, but I like mine the bestest. If you want to come up with your own method feel free to, but I'd encourage you to think up something instead of berating me and fast.
It's pretty clear you're going pants-on-head right now. Quite honestly, if you're going to be super-bad and disregard any suggestions to ensure some semblance of consolidation and as a result, ensure we lose, I really don't have the energy to argue right now. I can't be bothered to dive in and solve this game anything I say will probably get ignored anyway.
People have this super-stupid idea that if you don't post a ton you don't have anything meaningful to say. And so we get caught up in this shit-post war when anything off the top of your mind gets thrown onto paper and posted. It doesn't do anyone any favors, makes the game unreadable, and hurts town. This is probably my last game for at least a while. It was nowhere near this bad before, and I honestly can't understand how it ever got this way. Only playing limited post games if I play in the future 20+ page shitfilters aren't worth my time.
Sheeping whoever the mafia nightkills is literally putting the game into the mafia's hands unless all the townies are on the same page (at which point we don't even need to sheep). No matter what we try to come up with, solving the consolidation problem is hard and there are no easy solutions; welcome to LYLO, it fucking blows. What definitely won't solve the game is agreeing to sheep beforehand. Everyone should be busting their balls trying to figure this thing out. And in that vein, how are you gonna look at me, goodkarma, tell me I'm going pants-on-head super-stupid, tell me you don't think you can be bothered to solve the game and then just talk about consolidation and needing to work together? This sounds to me like you're saying "You're wrong and I don't feel like explaining why," which is... Understandable I guess if you really are town and mad, but it's also alarming and giving me scarce little reason to reconsider my scum read on you.
As an aside... And if I'm wrong I'm about to make an ass out of myself but I'm sure I've already done that if I'm wrong so fuck it: this complaining about the activity level doesn't seem genuine to me. You see gents, goodkarma and I were hydras in Melee Mini, a game of comparable activity level to this one. Goodkarma didn't post much but he had no trouble keeping up with the game and giving me bunches of good reads and advice as I did my thing. I can see his complaint to some degree since the quality of the activity in this game is lower than that one, but I don't think the game is significantly more difficult to read than that one. Maybe this is goodkarma's boiling point... Or he's mafia. If it's the former then I really am sorry but I think it's the latter and I feel pretty good about that read.
Crown the townie each night then, whatever. Honestly I have zero faith in anyone left alive right now solving this game. So call it "putting it into mafia's hands" or whatever, but any coin-flippish chance of winning is prolly better than what we have if we just jubjub around and trust everyone to "logic vote" their reads. 100% townie consolidation really isn't that hard if u make a system. If you don't like mine come up with your own because if you don't, nothing you're doing right now will matter at all.
On August 12 2014 05:45 Eden1892 wrote: Any strong reason why it has to be? Not really.
With specific respect to CaviwanShinobinho I guess I have the same reservations with him as you have with Holyflare, I see where he looks scummy but on a couple of occasions he's said exactly what I've been thinking at the same time as I've been thinking it
As far as the LYLO apathy goes... I can't really coherently argue against it, because if anyone is going to be relatively uninterested or not invested in the outcome at 7p LYLO it's scum, but at the same time it just... feels too easy I guess? Like it's weird that all 3 scum would all just happen to be the three people who seem not to give a fuck at LYLO. I would expect at least one of them to give a shit still.
Again there isn't a strong reason why this must be wrong, it just feels too easy and obvious for a game in which we've struggled so mightily. But that doesn't mean it's wrong, either.
That, or town that can't be bothered to tryhard in an almost certainly lost game, but I digress... Carry on.
On August 12 2014 05:45 Eden1892 wrote: Any strong reason why it has to be? Not really.
With specific respect to CaviwanShinobinho I guess I have the same reservations with him as you have with Holyflare, I see where he looks scummy but on a couple of occasions he's said exactly what I've been thinking at the same time as I've been thinking it
As far as the LYLO apathy goes... I can't really coherently argue against it, because if anyone is going to be relatively uninterested or not invested in the outcome at 7p LYLO it's scum, but at the same time it just... feels too easy I guess? Like it's weird that all 3 scum would all just happen to be the three people who seem not to give a fuck at LYLO. I would expect at least one of them to give a shit still.
Again there isn't a strong reason why this must be wrong, it just feels too easy and obvious for a game in which we've struggled so mightily. But that doesn't mean it's wrong, either.
That, or town that can't be bothered to tryhard in an almost certainly lost game, but I digress... Carry on.
Hey, that's enough of that from you, bro. You weren't all Debbie Downer like this in Melee Mini at ALL! Sure you chilled in the back while I did the talking but you had a bunch of good ideas and really helped me refine my thought process, and never ONCE were you half as pessimistic about our odds as you are now. What happened since then? You saw how quick we pulled that win out? In the span of 12 hours we went from almost lynching a parity cop to pinning a mafia and forcing the other one to concede. CONCEDE! Now we got twice as long to find one mafia and give us some more time and you just wanna quit?
Come on!
Figure out how we're going to get UNANIMOUS town consensus each day, and then we'll talk.
On August 12 2014 05:45 Eden1892 wrote: Any strong reason why it has to be? Not really.
With specific respect to CaviwanShinobinho I guess I have the same reservations with him as you have with Holyflare, I see where he looks scummy but on a couple of occasions he's said exactly what I've been thinking at the same time as I've been thinking it
As far as the LYLO apathy goes... I can't really coherently argue against it, because if anyone is going to be relatively uninterested or not invested in the outcome at 7p LYLO it's scum, but at the same time it just... feels too easy I guess? Like it's weird that all 3 scum would all just happen to be the three people who seem not to give a fuck at LYLO. I would expect at least one of them to give a shit still.
Again there isn't a strong reason why this must be wrong, it just feels too easy and obvious for a game in which we've struggled so mightily. But that doesn't mean it's wrong, either.
That, or town that can't be bothered to tryhard in an almost certainly lost game, but I digress... Carry on.
Hey, that's enough of that from you, bro. You weren't all Debbie Downer like this in Melee Mini at ALL! Sure you chilled in the back while I did the talking but you had a bunch of good ideas and really helped me refine my thought process, and never ONCE were you half as pessimistic about our odds as you are now. What happened since then? You saw how quick we pulled that win out? In the span of 12 hours we went from almost lynching a parity cop to pinning a mafia and forcing the other one to concede. CONCEDE! Now we got twice as long to find one mafia and give us some more time and you just wanna quit?
Come on!
Figure out how we're going to get UNANIMOUS town consensus each day, and then we'll talk.
Any effort on this game is wasted until you do.
If you're town, it starts with you doing something; I can't get a unanimous decision if I don't know wtf you want to do.
Come on, where's the passion, man? You had so much fun working with me before. What changed? It's not my alignment. Is it yours?
What changed is terrible deadlines, on top of terrible terrible daylength reductions, on top of not being able to meet the "spam meta" especially because of the first two. Also, this game situation is dire. I honestly, seriously, can't understand why fucking no one can be bothered to try to figure out how we keep town together for lynches at this point.
Oh wait, I did. But no one cares, so forgive me for not caring when I've told you guys EXACTLY what needs to be done.
Figure out how we consolidate then we can solve the game.
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