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On August 05 2014 12:16 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2014 12:07 Holyflare wrote:
Marv voting early is ridiculous. He has voted early plenty of times and it's most definitely a pressure vote because he says it is.
Which you'd know if you read the thread and then made conclusions instead of pretending to be contributing in real time post by post I admitted I haven't read the thread the whole way through  I think marv is like impossible to read i just end up praying hes townie so when he doesn something different I'm going to point it out. I didn't even say it was scummy just that it was odd those are too very different things.
Except you called him scum at the beginning of the game so I would think it only safe to assume you were simply elaborating on your earlier read. Backtracking?
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Shitty scum and he lurks all the time as mafia just to come back with no content. Also your haru thing is odd because you spent all that time on haru but then really never had a real conclusion at the end of it. It does look scummy that he's null on you but then wants to group you with other ppl thus saying you're scummy out of the blue and it's scummy that he comes back to attack me saying that I'm twisting his words and then just fucks off after doing nothing again. Yes his outburst could be towny but I've seen so many scum be angry it's not really anything to go by for me.
Also GK why did you sheep me onto poofter if i provided no argument whatsoever?
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On August 05 2014 12:10 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2014 12:01 goodkarma wrote:On August 05 2014 11:39 WaveofShadow wrote:On August 05 2014 11:37 goodkarma wrote:On August 05 2014 11:28 WaveofShadow wrote:On August 05 2014 11:24 goodkarma wrote:On August 05 2014 10:58 WaveofShadow wrote:On August 05 2014 10:25 Vivax wrote:
WoS still have to see you act up on that sort of FoS you placed on GK early. How do you read him currently. I'm not sure how calling him null was a FoS, I just said some of his posting made me feel all wonky about him. I think I'm used to playing games with him when he's always under the gun so to see him posting in a different way now (though still spr srs) gives me pause. Ultimately he recently liked the same thing I did in regards to Haru's reaction to HF (though we've obviously come to different conclusions about it) though maybe GK you can go into a little more detail as to what about Haru's reaction you liked? I'd give GK slightly towny side of null for now---if there were a good way to pressure GK (that I wouldn't feel guilty about) to make him post similar to what I'm used to in many games I'd do it. Feel free to come at me as hard as you'd like. I won't ragequit I promise. Well the point being by saying this out loud and not having anything particularly useful to pressure you on, pressuring to get you to post in a way I'm more familiar with won't work. I don't post like I used to. I found people got ragey and mislynch-happy when I posted large paragraphs of logic. Besides, I haven't really seen you pressure your scumread(s) all that much, the people you should be pressuring. I haven't been around all that much. Also as far as scumreadS go, I only have the one right now, and I recently posted about him. Care to comment as it seems you and I have differing opinions? You seem to have some grasp of why people read him as towny. The real question is if you think his response to the HF tunnel is fake or not. If fake then scum. If not he's town. My personal thoughts on Haru should be pretty clear from my filter. GK reads aren't (or shouldn't be) ever as simple as that. My inclination is to believe the response more likely comes from town, but then everything else Haru has said or done that looks scummy goes ignored. If cases could so easily be boiled down to one simple action then you could just as easily say that about everyone: "if so-and-so is lying about this they're scum, if not they're town." You don't know the truth so you have to sum up and take into account all that they have done and decide what is important and what isn't. Do you believe so strongly that what Haru said is not faked that you can ignore everything else? And HF what I find Haru scummy for is different from what you find him scummy for, isn't it? Do you find it adds to or detracts from your tunnel? (And nothing Haru said or did detunneled you?)
If you read my filter, you'd realize it wasn't as simple as that. But it was a pretty heavy factor in favor of him being town. The other, as I've previously stated, that he could have just as easily made up a scumread as scum and avoided oodles of unwanted attention. He didn't make up some weird heuristic thing and actually called people "scum" in his only scumgame, so why wouldn't he do that here too?
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On August 05 2014 12:17 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2014 12:16 Tehpoofter wrote:On August 05 2014 12:07 Holyflare wrote:
Marv voting early is ridiculous. He has voted early plenty of times and it's most definitely a pressure vote because he says it is.
Which you'd know if you read the thread and then made conclusions instead of pretending to be contributing in real time post by post I admitted I haven't read the thread the whole way through I think marv is like impossible to read i just end up praying hes townie so when he doesn something different I'm going to point it out. I didn't even say it was scummy just that it was odd those are too very different things. Except you called him scum at the beginning of the game so I would think it only safe to assume you were simply elaborating on your earlier read. Backtracking?
I called him scummy because at the start of the game I said I had a different between HF and Marv and HF was leaning townie
he was my bang
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On August 05 2014 12:20 Holyflare wrote:
Shitty scum and he lurks all the time as mafia just to come back with no content. Also your haru thing is odd because you spent all that time on haru but then really never had a real conclusion at the end of it. It does look scummy that he's null on you but then wants to group you with other ppl thus saying you're scummy out of the blue and it's scummy that he comes back to attack me saying that I'm twisting his words and then just fucks off after doing nothing again. Yes his outburst could be towny but I've seen so many scum be angry it's not really anything to go by for me.
Also GK why did you sheep me onto poofter if i provided no argument whatsoever?
Dafuq
How did I provide no conclusion? it's at the end of my post where I say
Ultimately I am still scummy on Haru because in rereading I have gone through and I don't see the towny perspective being stronger than a scum-aligned one for his actions.
and then vote for him?
And GK your second point is kind of shitty imo. It's a meta example of one.
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Eh, I mean I sort of understand the unwanted attention part, but look at what's happened to his activity and usefulness now that people are basically off his ass?
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I'm going back to reading and getting some food.
HF why am I 100% mafia can you not see anything town in what I've done.
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I mean that's not a real conclusion. It makes me sad because it looks so mafiaishy  it just looks so overly worded for you to say you're scum reading someone
You say in rereading and that you've gone through all in one sentence which probably means you were rewriting it so that it looked normal
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On August 05 2014 12:20 Holyflare wrote:
Shitty scum and he lurks all the time as mafia just to come back with no content. Also your haru thing is odd because you spent all that time on haru but then really never had a real conclusion at the end of it. It does look scummy that he's null on you but then wants to group you with other ppl thus saying you're scummy out of the blue and it's scummy that he comes back to attack me saying that I'm twisting his words and then just fucks off after doing nothing again. Yes his outburst could be towny but I've seen so many scum be angry it's not really anything to go by for me.
Also GK why did you sheep me onto poofter if i provided no argument whatsoever?
No argument required. He's a good lynch.
He makes a super-scummy list post with no real justification. He excuses his posting by saying he hasn't read / is bad at mafia. While there is no 100% heuristic saying that talking about reading to catch up means he's mafia while you seem to believe, given he hasn't done anything meaningful all game and can only give excuses I believe there's a decent chance he'll flip scum.
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On August 05 2014 12:29 Holyflare wrote:I mean that's not a real conclusion. It makes me sad because it looks so mafiaishy it just looks so overly worded for you to say you're scum reading someone You say in rereading and that you've gone through all in one sentence which probably means you were rewriting it so that it looked normal
I don't even understand that second sentence but I can honestly say I have no fucking clue why you think that's scummy.
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On August 05 2014 12:30 goodkarma wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2014 12:20 Holyflare wrote:
Shitty scum and he lurks all the time as mafia just to come back with no content. Also your haru thing is odd because you spent all that time on haru but then really never had a real conclusion at the end of it. It does look scummy that he's null on you but then wants to group you with other ppl thus saying you're scummy out of the blue and it's scummy that he comes back to attack me saying that I'm twisting his words and then just fucks off after doing nothing again. Yes his outburst could be towny but I've seen so many scum be angry it's not really anything to go by for me.
Also GK why did you sheep me onto poofter if i provided no argument whatsoever? No argument required. He's a good lynch. He makes a super-scummy list post with no real justification. He excuses his posting by saying he hasn't read / is bad at mafia. While there is no 100% heuristic saying that talking about reading to catch up means he's mafia while you seem to believe, given he hasn't done anything meaningful all game and can only give excuses I believe there's a decent chance he'll flip scum.
Explain what was super-scummy about my list? I mean should I have losts more reads.
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Ultimately I am still scummy on Haru because in rereading I have gone through and I don't see the towny perspective being stronger than a scum-aligned one for his actions.
You say the same thing in the same sentence. The in reading i have gone through. It just looks really weird like you rewrote the sentence abd then it screwed up and you didn't reread it. Ignoring that, you over justify why you scum read him (weighing up town reasons on reread) instead of just saying he's probably scum
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On August 05 2014 12:32 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2014 12:30 goodkarma wrote:On August 05 2014 12:20 Holyflare wrote:
Shitty scum and he lurks all the time as mafia just to come back with no content. Also your haru thing is odd because you spent all that time on haru but then really never had a real conclusion at the end of it. It does look scummy that he's null on you but then wants to group you with other ppl thus saying you're scummy out of the blue and it's scummy that he comes back to attack me saying that I'm twisting his words and then just fucks off after doing nothing again. Yes his outburst could be towny but I've seen so many scum be angry it's not really anything to go by for me.
Also GK why did you sheep me onto poofter if i provided no argument whatsoever? No argument required. He's a good lynch. He makes a super-scummy list post with no real justification. He excuses his posting by saying he hasn't read / is bad at mafia. While there is no 100% heuristic saying that talking about reading to catch up means he's mafia while you seem to believe, given he hasn't done anything meaningful all game and can only give excuses I believe there's a decent chance he'll flip scum. Explain what was super-scummy about my list? I mean should I have losts more reads.
Can you possibly be serious? This listpost is the last spot I really see reads, and you outright say you won't explain them at all. Perhaps update them, and explain reasons for why you think things?
On August 04 2014 11:59 Tehpoofter wrote:
I'll be posting all reads in Bang Marry Kill format Marry meaning I'm in it for the long haul Bang means I'm using you for your vote Kill is obvious. These mega solid late game reads I have thus far.
Marry: No one has won my heart over yet. I'll find someone to put a ring on it.
Bang: Hf, Eden
Kill: Haru, Marv
I can't give any reasons. Except that HF is non-game related.
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On August 05 2014 12:32 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2014 12:30 goodkarma wrote:On August 05 2014 12:20 Holyflare wrote:
Shitty scum and he lurks all the time as mafia just to come back with no content. Also your haru thing is odd because you spent all that time on haru but then really never had a real conclusion at the end of it. It does look scummy that he's null on you but then wants to group you with other ppl thus saying you're scummy out of the blue and it's scummy that he comes back to attack me saying that I'm twisting his words and then just fucks off after doing nothing again. Yes his outburst could be towny but I've seen so many scum be angry it's not really anything to go by for me.
Also GK why did you sheep me onto poofter if i provided no argument whatsoever? No argument required. He's a good lynch. He makes a super-scummy list post with no real justification. He excuses his posting by saying he hasn't read / is bad at mafia. While there is no 100% heuristic saying that talking about reading to catch up means he's mafia while you seem to believe, given he hasn't done anything meaningful all game and can only give excuses I believe there's a decent chance he'll flip scum. Explain what was super-scummy about my list? I mean should I have losts more reads.
I think at the time my list was amazing. Aside from marv who haven't talked and was obviously a troll. I agreed with all my reads when I made them. Scummy would ahve been if I made that list now as oppossed to like hours into the game like I had before  Your reasons suck.
Also I'm town HF has probably figured it out by the way I'm responding. Marv will know if hes town. I really hope I'm fucking up whatever timing metric he thinks he has on me (its intentional sucker) kushm4sta reading me right makes me a bit uneasy tbh but in my read thus far his posts have seemed pretty carefree and unless his scum team is really good I think its porbably more townie. I might have to bang him but going to finish the next 10 pages or sof irst before I make another scummy as fuck bang marry kil list.
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On August 05 2014 12:35 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +Ultimately I am still scummy on Haru because in rereading I have gone through and I don't see the towny perspective being stronger than a scum-aligned one for his actions. You say the same thing in the same sentence. The in reading i have gone through. It just looks really weird like you rewrote the sentence abd then it screwed up and you didn't reread it. Ignoring that, you over justify why you scum read him (weighing up town reasons on reread) instead of just saying he's probably scum
First of all, it's not the same thing at all, if you want to argue semantics (which is so silly I can't even believe I'm entertaining it).
Reading is simply the act of reading itself while going through implies comprehension.
As far as over justification I simply don't agree. It was a conclusion. If I had put TL;DR would that have been better?
I also don't understand this obsession with 'constructed' posting being scummy, which I wanted to get across to Eden before as well.Of course posts can be constructed as either alignment, it's a fucking forum where you get to think about what you write before you do it. It's not always going to be the case as sometimes people simply post without bothering to think or edit but it depends on what you're trying to do or say. If I'm writing a big, constructed reads post or case, then I'm going to make sure it looks and sounds good to me. Do you not think I went over my massive reads posts in Shadow Game and edited?
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On August 05 2014 12:36 goodkarma wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2014 12:32 Tehpoofter wrote:On August 05 2014 12:30 goodkarma wrote:On August 05 2014 12:20 Holyflare wrote:
Shitty scum and he lurks all the time as mafia just to come back with no content. Also your haru thing is odd because you spent all that time on haru but then really never had a real conclusion at the end of it. It does look scummy that he's null on you but then wants to group you with other ppl thus saying you're scummy out of the blue and it's scummy that he comes back to attack me saying that I'm twisting his words and then just fucks off after doing nothing again. Yes his outburst could be towny but I've seen so many scum be angry it's not really anything to go by for me.
Also GK why did you sheep me onto poofter if i provided no argument whatsoever? No argument required. He's a good lynch. He makes a super-scummy list post with no real justification. He excuses his posting by saying he hasn't read / is bad at mafia. While there is no 100% heuristic saying that talking about reading to catch up means he's mafia while you seem to believe, given he hasn't done anything meaningful all game and can only give excuses I believe there's a decent chance he'll flip scum. Explain what was super-scummy about my list? I mean should I have losts more reads. Can you possibly be serious? This listpost is the last spot I really see reads, and you outright say you won't explain them at all. Perhaps update them, and explain reasons for why you think things? Show nested quote +On August 04 2014 11:59 Tehpoofter wrote:
I'll be posting all reads in Bang Marry Kill format Marry meaning I'm in it for the long haul Bang means I'm using you for your vote Kill is obvious. These mega solid late game reads I have thus far.
Marry: No one has won my heart over yet. I'll find someone to put a ring on it.
Bang: Hf, Eden
Kill: Haru, Marv
I can't give any reasons. Except that HF is non-game related.
My point is that at the time of the post it was good reads and I stand by that. I don't think it was scummy to give reads with no reason casue honestly there wasnt a lot of reason in them.
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On August 05 2014 12:37 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2014 12:32 Tehpoofter wrote:On August 05 2014 12:30 goodkarma wrote:On August 05 2014 12:20 Holyflare wrote:
Shitty scum and he lurks all the time as mafia just to come back with no content. Also your haru thing is odd because you spent all that time on haru but then really never had a real conclusion at the end of it. It does look scummy that he's null on you but then wants to group you with other ppl thus saying you're scummy out of the blue and it's scummy that he comes back to attack me saying that I'm twisting his words and then just fucks off after doing nothing again. Yes his outburst could be towny but I've seen so many scum be angry it's not really anything to go by for me.
Also GK why did you sheep me onto poofter if i provided no argument whatsoever? No argument required. He's a good lynch. He makes a super-scummy list post with no real justification. He excuses his posting by saying he hasn't read / is bad at mafia. While there is no 100% heuristic saying that talking about reading to catch up means he's mafia while you seem to believe, given he hasn't done anything meaningful all game and can only give excuses I believe there's a decent chance he'll flip scum. Explain what was super-scummy about my list? I mean should I have losts more reads. I think at the time my list was amazing. Aside from marv who haven't talked and was obviously a troll. I agreed with all my reads when I made them. Scummy would ahve been if I made that list now as oppossed to like hours into the game like I had before Your reasons suck. Also I'm town HF has probably figured it out by the way I'm responding. Marv will know if hes town. I really hope I'm fucking up whatever timing metric he thinks he has on me (its intentional sucker) kushm4sta reading me right makes me a bit uneasy tbh but in my read thus far his posts have seemed pretty carefree and unless his scum team is really good I think its porbably more townie. I might have to bang him but going to finish the next 10 pages or sof irst before I make another scummy as fuck bang marry kil list.
You don't have to make a list. All I really care about is who you think is scum and why. So actually read the thread, and don't come back until you do.
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There's 2 types of constructed. One to make sure all typos and grammar are correct and one that is edited repeatedly because in the persons mind they wouldn't say something like that as town. In the latter case the sentence structure often comes out as weird from all the editing they've done. You've explained what you meant with it now though but it's still overly worded abd makes it look like you were catering your post to people that criticised you for only scum reading haru from one perspective. It's too i want to fit inny.
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Wave if you take out haru who do you scum read and why? Even if you've said it before just some concise points would be cool
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