World Heavyweight Championship mafia III - Page 18

On August 11 2014 08:10 Eden1892 wrote:
My fault. Should not have checked in since I didn't have time to read. I've played really terribly this game.

The one thing I am gonna say is that I wish y'all would have read the all caps and moved, but I don't even really fault that much since Poofter should have checked in earlier / tried more today.

Also I can confirm the time thing was already there. No johns for that please.

Battery dead, bbl.

On August 11 2014 08:11 Holyflare wrote:


but if this is the case someone im town reading is mafia

On August 11 2014 08:39 gobbledydook wrote:


what's the point of asking though, it's not like any scum would ever admit it.

On August 11 2014 09:23 Holyflare wrote:
and they switched because they thought the poofter wagon was more pure

On August 11 2014 07:57 Holyflare wrote:


yes

On August 11 2014 10:29 Eden1892 wrote:
OK but seriously now let's get to work.

My new scum list is Holyflare, justanothertownie and goodkarma. I am almost positive I'm the nightkill tonight so I'm not even going to bother being coy or bullshitting around with fake reads trying not to bait a nightkill. It's not happening. I'm going down and I'm going to get out my reads and keep rereading to see what I think before the end.

Why them?

Holyflare has no reason to be alive right now. He was the only "townie" who had any direction on day 1 and organized a last-minute lynch, and kush got nightkilled instead of him. Kush was obvious town, but Holyflare was generally in the town pile for everyone too, and unlike kush Holyflare was a direct threat to get people lynched. Then marv gets killed last night, and while marv was also in everyone's town pile (and Holyflare wasn't as much anymore), marv had been straight up wrong on both lynches and Adkins out the whole night. The one time he really took charge and showed direction he was off. This kill makes some sense to me over Holyflare but not really; I feel like if we assume Holyflare is town he's played a better game than marv. In any case he's going to survive tonight while I, a townie who until this point had no meaningful direction in the thread, die. And that's not going to make sense, and if I don't say something now people will go "oh, no surprise there, Eden was obvtown, Holyflare lemme sheep u 2 victory" and we'll lose.

Furthermore, I've called attention to it on a couple of occasions this game - Holyflare's strength of conviction in his arguments is entirely disproportionate to their strength. The most notable instance was his insistence that both Poofter and gobble were likely to flip scum, even though they had both been scumreading the hell out of each other from midway through day 1. I've been hesitant about this point to an extent because it's been in doubt; after all it had been possible that both flipped scum and Holyflare is actually some godmode town savant genius. But we now know he was wrong, and in retrospect, it's pretty fucking obvious that he was wrong.

Finally... kush had to be right about somebody, don't you think? At least one player. And who were the two he was harping on? gobbledydook and Holyflare. gobble has been on everyone's scum radar for days now, nightkilling kush wouldn't do anything to save gobble. Holyflare is the only player kush was calling out and being virtually alone in doing so. THAT is why kush was nightkilled, and why we MUST kill Holyflare tomorrow.

It's not the strongest case in the whole wide world, and I'm sure Holyflare will yell and berate and whine and hurl abuse at me and everyone who's sympathetic to this argument until it dies down, just like the last couple of times. Resist this. Do not give in.

You will likely see his loyal lieutenant, justanothertownie, following through. They've been lockstep for most of the game and Holyflare has been wrong and will flip scum. Obviously the two of them are pushing the scum agenda together, and they've been wildly successful thus far. But they won't succeed anymore. Don't let them.

Finally there's goodkarma. I'm partially sheeping Wave on this one, but the fact that both Holyflare and justanothertownie have hard-confirmed him town off of a weak meta read from Showdown mafia is super sketchy now that I know they're both mafia. And yeah, I signed off on it earlier. Big deal. I was wrong then and I'm right now. goodkarma has lurked like crazy and like Wave said, he's doing a lot of hedging and explaining for someone who's sheeping, and I feel like his arguments have been pretty weak when he's bothered to explain his reads. I'll go do a more complete filter read to see if I still agree with this when I'm done but I'm pretty confident in it right now. goodkarma also fits excellently as the final mafia because you already have Holyflare and justanothertownie pushing the scum agenda. goodkarma is the perfect third member stylistically; no one will be shocked that he's not nightkilled since he's not trying very hard at all this game, and Holyflare and justanothertownie combined have enough thread presence (before we launch our coup right here and hurl them off their balconies) to deflect any lurker lynches onto some of you lame-ass motherfuckers taking days off at a time.

Speaking of, STOP DOING THAT SHIT! WE DON'T HAVE TIME FOR IT! We're going to need every single one of y'all to step up and lynch these guys three in a row if we're gonna win. It's majority lynch and you KNOW the mafia won't miss a vote.

Every single one of you needs to keep stepping up. Haru was super town today, good job, keep it up. Wave is coming alive, keep shaking off the cobwebs and pushing. Obi... man I'm fuckin thrilled! I get to be friends with Cav because we're both town and he's fuckin spot on with Holyflare this game! Keep it up! And gobble, bro, I know it's hard getting scumread the whole game as a townie but keep pushing what you believe and stay pure, my friend.

I'm confident in all of you as townreads at this point. I've seen something from every one of you at some point this game that's made me think "Yep, you're town," and at the core all of these reads just feel right in the gut. One day I'll look back and either laugh at myself for being terribly wrong or be self-aware enough to understand why my reads were right despite my inability to explain them, but in the here and now I've got no choice, when my other scumhunting skills have failed me this game, to run with the reads I'm feeling in my heart and hope that they're enough.

We can still do this guys, even if -- when -- I'm dead in the morning. Let's get it!

On August 11 2014 10:46 Holyflare wrote:
haru was by far and large NOT super town today, he said he would be super spammy haru making cases on everyone and then after all that he made one post on gobble that had nothing scummy in it whatsoever and then gave up and got bored and played league of legends instead

On August 11 2014 12:31 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I reserve the right to not read anything that you're saying and kill you anyway.

On August 11 2014 12:46 Eden1892 wrote:

You're gonna have to explain this for me because my interpretation of it (a) probably isn't fair and (b) is that this is terrible.

On August 11 2014 12:58 Holyflare wrote:
I'm gonna go to bed. Honestly think it's probably haru and then I'm at a loss for who else.

On August 11 2014 13:11 HaruRH wrote:
I just woke up.
Now we in lylo? Damn.
Looks like I was wrong on pooft then.
I would say hf have a decent chance to be scum now ttht I don't feel any town pull from him. Nothing screams 'sheep me you fools'

On August 11 2014 13:16 goodkarma wrote:
With this next lynch we're going to literally need unanimous townpile onto a scum wagon. The only way I really see that happening is /sheeping.

Time would be well spent deciding how we're going to achieve a unanimous decision. Ideally a town leader and/or primary lynch target can be named by whoever dies tonight via a last minute before deadline ninjapost. Everyone with any chance of dying should make something like this...

There's a few ways to implement this this is how I'd do it. Whatever we do tho we need to establish /towncircle and force sheeping. There's not room for error anymore.

Goodnight and good luck.

On August 11 2014 13:45 Eden1892 wrote:
Dude I'm gonna flip 50 shits if I was actually right on all 3 of them

Omg

On August 11 2014 12:42 WaveofShadow wrote:

Townreads I understand:
Eden, JAT, (me? I still think your trap was weak and reading people based on it is meh but whatevs), gobble (sorta---this is one of those things that I never went back and truly thought about when Poofter/GK mentioned it...is there some sort of way with the voting patterns that GD could still be scum? that worries me)

Don't understand townread on GK, and Cav I just dunno.

On August 12 2014 01:23 Eden1892 wrote:
I don't see why they couldn't, but I've already acknowledged my read on you isn't superb and that I want to reread your filter before I'm certain about it. Why so disproportionately mad tho? Am I onto you?

And no I'm not doing that, go through his filter and fact-check me if you don't believe me. I've only done 6 pgs, it's not hard. I didn't look at everything he's done and try to make it look scummy, I picked out the pushes that do look scummy / follow the scum agenda I very carefully laid out before I started looking at anything and explained very clearly and thoroughly why they do. If you think I am, I'm as crystal-clear as I can fucking be right now. Go show me how my examples don't fit the mold that I was careful to craft before rereading Holyflare. You can't, because they do.

On August 06 2014 07:51 iamperfection wrote:
Counting of votes:

Artanis[Xp] (0): gobbledydook, marvellosity, marvellosity, marvellosity, Eden1892, HaruRH, kushm4sta, Eden1892, Holyflare
gobbledydook (4): Vivax, Eden1892, Tehpoofter, kushm4sta, ObiWanShinobi, HaruRH

Eden1892 (0): Eden1892
Vivax (2): Eden1892, marvellosity, goodkarma, Holyflare
Tehpoofter (0): Holyflare, goodkarma, gobbledydook
ObiWanShinobi (0): Eden1892, Holyflare, Eden1892, Eden1892
HaruRH (7): gobbledydook, WaveofShadow, Artanis[Xp], marvellosity, gobbledydook, Eden1892, justanothertownie, Eden1892, marvellosity, Eden1892, Tehpoofter
WaveofShadow (0): ObiWanShinobi, kushm4sta, Eden1892, Eden1892, Eden1892
marvellosity (0): Artanis[Xp], Eden1892, Vivax, HaruRH, WaveofShadow, ObiWanShinobi

Not voting (0):
With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.
Deadline is Tuesday, Aug 05 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) (in ).

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On August 06 2014 08:02 iamperfection wrote:
Counting of votes:

Artanis[Xp] (0): gobbledydook, marvellosity, marvellosity, marvellosity, Eden1892, HaruRH, kushm4sta, Eden1892, Holyflare
gobbledydook (2): Vivax, Eden1892, Tehpoofter, kushm4sta, ObiWanShinobi, HaruRH
Eden1892 (0): Eden1892
Vivax (8): Eden1892, marvellosity, goodkarma, Holyflare, marvellosity, justanothertownie, Artanis, HaruRH, ObiWanShinobi, Tehpoofter
Tehpoofter (0): Holyflare, goodkarma, gobbledydook
ObiWanShinobi (0): Eden1892, Holyflare, Eden1892, Eden1892
HaruRH (3): gobbledydook, WaveofShadow, Artanis[Xp], marvellosity, gobbledydook, Eden1892, justanothertownie, Eden1892, marvellosity, Eden1892, Tehpoofter
WaveofShadow (0): ObiWanShinobi, kushm4sta, Eden1892, Eden1892, Eden1892
marvellosity (0): Artanis[Xp], Eden1892, Vivax, HaruRH, WaveofShadow, ObiWanShinobi

Not voting (0):
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On August 11 2014 08:00 iamperfection wrote:
Counting of votes:

Tehpoofter (6): goodkarma, gobbledydook, Eden1892, ObiWanShinobi, Holyflare, Eden1892, justanothertownie, goodkarma, Holyflare
gobbledydook (3): Holyflare, ObiWanShinobi, HaruRH, justanothertownie, Eden1892, goodkarma, Tehpoofter, WaveofShadow, Holyflare
WaveofShadow (0): Eden1892

Not voting (0): ,

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch.
Deadline is Sunday, Aug 10 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) (in ).

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On August 12 2014 05:48 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Jat, I've already argued against this theory before.

I wanted the wagon to stay between gd and haru, so implying that I was trying to save Haru by voting Vivax is really really dumb.

I don't know why I have to repeat this so many times but I guess I'll just keep doing it.

On August 12 2014 05:54 Eden1892 wrote:

D1, goodkarma was on Vivax by himself before that wagon picked up any steam and he was Adkins at EOD. While that could be argued as scummy anyway (and I wouldn't even object to it), I don't think it's correct to characterize it as "saving" Haru since goodkarma didn't push for it to become a viable wagon. Haru voting in self-defense also isn't alignment-indicative. Obi's vote is the only one that I thought was dodgy from that group