IV Titanic Mafia: It Has Been a Privilege - Page 19

On July 26 2014 15:33 Chairman Ray wrote:


I'll explain to you why Vayne is mafia.

Vayne rescinded his claim right when batsnacks claimed. Vayne's intention was never to square off in a 1v1. It was to force the vig to come out and then rescind the claim. His mafia partner will try to argue that this is not a scum move, so that Vayne gets off scot-free. The end result is that vig is forced to claim, and Vayne doesn't look any worse for it, which is exactly what is happening right now.

The reason why mafia need to make this play is because if they shoot VTs at night, they lose. We have 4 roles alive and a vested VT. That's 5 potentially confirmed town. There are 4 VTs left. The only mislynch that can happen today is on a VT because a role would simply claim. With 3 VTs left, if mafia shoot 2 of them, we mass claim and then the game ends in a town victory. So the only thing mafia can do to survive until the next day is to reliably kill a role. That's why Vayne fakeclaimed and then rescinded.

If Vayne was town, there would be no point to fakeclaiming. The only outcome of fakeclaiming is that the real role will counter claim you. We're not talking about a new player here; we're talking about Vayne, who is an expert in this field, fakeclaimed many times before, and knows exactly what was going to happen.

On July 26 2014 22:55 Damdred wrote:


Trying to direct people to lynchbait eh? How about put a real case together on instead of just bringing me up every few posts because of idk why.

Just finished catching up i agree VA move doesn't make complete sense why would mafia. claim and lose another kp before night 2 affectively losing the game....

On July 26 2014 23:10 Xatalos wrote:
Damdred is mostly because of process of elimination and also a couple of slightly suspicious points (the wishy-washy suspicion on me, leading to a vote when I had already gathered several votes, the post marv mentioned where he said I'm "bad town or scum" which is a somewhat typical method of scum describing their "scumread", and overall just not really doing much of anything besides weakly pushing me and staying out of attention).

On July 26 2014 22:31 Xatalos wrote:
It could also be possible (WIFOM WIFOM) that the kills were planned to 1) avoid protective roles and 2) make marv more suspicious. It's not impossible at least.

On July 25 2014 19:13 Chopin Liszt wrote:
I was quite explicit why I said Xatalos was town. This is one of those inevitable cases where a bunch of people go "Oh Chopin, you handsome fellow, your logic is terrible, you're not supposed to be this bad! Sup?" and in the end I turn out to be right about it, as always. Maybe Vayne remembers Order mafia.

My main/only regret from the lynch is that i didn't convince people to switch to Obi rather than Navillus.

Chopin

On July 25 2014 21:01 Chopin Liszt wrote:
Maybe. I don't care so much anymore what Xatalos does though.

Chopin

On July 25 2014 22:18 Chopin Liszt wrote:

Only Koshi and Xatalos are within the bounds of certainty for me.

On July 26 2014 07:47 Chopin Liszt wrote:
Chopin - Xatalos - Vivax - Glowing - CR/Damdred - Obiwan

from least scummy to most scummy.

##Vote: ObiwanShinobi

On July 27 2014 00:22 GlowingBear wrote:


If you think marv is scum don't you think Xatalos is scum with him?

On July 27 2014 00:58 VayneAuthority wrote:
hmm the best reason I can find for why I am town is if you read the early parts of rayn's filter. he is really mad people are scumreading me with no info and says im a good mislynch. possibly trying to buddy up and going off heuristic that these people are dumb because he knows I am town.

If you dont believe my explanation or this makes me town then i dunno guess its over.

On July 27 2014 00:57 GlowingBear wrote:


Why do you read damdred as town?

On July 27 2014 01:45 GlowingBear wrote:
We are talking about hydra, you guys are considering ShoppingList as only one guy. Remember that holy flare posts the most.

Koshi, reading through his filter, he seems to be contributing, but essentially for town reads, not scum hunt. Also, two things: his push on Navillus and his hard defense on Xatalos.
Votes were well spread, he could've vote Vivax or keeping his vote on Obi, who he still thinks is scum. He already answered that it was easier to convince people to vote for Navillus because he thought the other ones were mislynches. It is suspicious but not necessarily mafia.
His hard defense for Xatalos is weird because the only one game I've played with marv, he was completely aggressive on fluff. He wasn't on Xatalos. This is, for me, the most suspicious part.

BUT if this is the part where he is being scum defending his partner, it means Datalos is also mafia. I've had a scumread before on Xatalos so this only "confirms" my theory. Therefore, I think Xatalos is a better lynch now than Chopin, because ShoppingList is at least contributing with town reads. We can think about him day3.

I'm heading to Xatalos filter now.

On July 27 2014 01:49 GlowingBear wrote:


He is suspicious. He really is. But check your main scum filters. Doesn't it looks like mislynching damdred is part of mafias agenda? Really, look how there is a timid scumread on damdred day one that continues on and on. Timid scumreads. Like people are trying to make townies go against him creating big cases, leading a mislynch and getting mislynched the other day.

Do you get what I'm trying to say here?

On July 27 2014 01:55 GlowingBear wrote:


Alright, so, if you ALSO believe this, you should be voting Xatalos because he has been doing that since the beginning of the game.