EPTTeam Melee Mini Mafia V: Newbies and Vets
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On July 09 2014 12:53 HaruRH wrote: I want to play in this but im worried something stupid happens again and I get modkilled. If not I want to partner with glowingbear Haru <3 | ||
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On July 09 2014 04:07 sqrtofneg1 wrote: I think it will get really complicated when two people are one person in this game. Maybe smurfs might be a better way so that we can filterdive better? Idk, it seems like a significant amount of extra work that's needed for this, keeping track of 18 players, but 9 entities. Good point. But the counterpart of it is that there will be so much contradictions in people's posts that it will be harder to analyse alignments... | ||
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On July 10 2014 01:41 HaruRH wrote: Shit man Now I have to /in as senior Pair me up with glowingbear Awesome! You're the best cop I've ever seen | ||
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(Sshhhh! I'm setting up a plan in case we are mafia!) | ||
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On July 10 2014 02:26 HaruRH wrote: Wait, werent you the best vt I've seen? Am I doing it right Yeah! The "everybody is scum and not scum at the same time" vt | ||
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On July 11 2014 03:03 HaruRH wrote: glowingbear you decide a name I can't think of names or else I wouldn't use such a crappy name like Haru Please choose one: SayNoToRape#Brazil TeamRickAstley Haru<3JustinBieber BeachPenguins AngryBusinessmen WeDemandALawyer TeamOBJECTION ScumsNextDoor Edit: TheSopranos TeamRobertDeNiro | ||
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On July 11 2014 03:50 sqrtofneg1 wrote: GlowingBear edited too! That team's part of the scumteam! Houston, we've got a problem! Please lend your moon laser beam from hell and above. (I mean, wut???) Edit: another name, Haru. MoonLazorBeamz. (Dammit, editing again!) | ||
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Lol awesome! So we are going to be WeDemandALawyer | ||
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I was actually telling kita, just because someone else liked it | ||
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On July 11 2014 04:37 HaruRH wrote: ALRIGHT GLOWINGBEAR WE ARE OFFICALLY CALLED ClubPenguin Jesus Christ lol. Let's go with WeDemandALawyer Or JesusTheTerminator | ||
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On July 11 2014 05:07 HaruRH wrote: WeDemandALawyer it is Yes!!! | ||
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On July 11 2014 09:53 IAmRobik wrote: Team FakeClaim That should be Haru's  | ||
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Hello guys, it's my second game here. It seems that there is a ruckus going on already. Can someone explain me what Is the Kenpachi rule? Also, I'll be signing every post of mine with a bolded "-WeDemandALawyer: Haru and GlowingBear" so it gets easier to identify the team. -WeDemandALawyer: Haru and GlowingBear | ||
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Why do I think it's secondary: a scum can fake claim vt just so he can get townie to accuse him and get mislynched. More than that, a vt can simply try to pressure someone who claimed vt. Why not? -WeDemandALawyer: Haru and Glowingbear | ||
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On July 11 2014 12:41 27ninjabunnies wrote: I like this post. Townie points. Btw: How happy are you with your team name this game? Do you need to call a lawyer? The"Double"D I love my team name! Everybody needs lawyers, regardless their actions. Someone most protect both victims and perpetrators. And I'm here for that! You can use my services by calling 87879-6969. (Not a real number) -WeDemandALawyer: Haru and GlowingBear | ||
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On July 11 2014 21:28 Palmar wrote: Actually, I'm going to do this: ##Unvote ##Vote Team WeDemandALawyer The reasons: 1. They both seemed excited to play pre-game, but haven't posted anything of value. 2. This post Specifically the bolded sentence feels like massively useless fluff observation. 3. This post Talking about stuff that is really easy to talk about without giving any sort of an opinion on anyone in the game. I think it was sinani who pointed out that this post also came at a really awkward time, after people had mostly dropped the kenpachi thing. 3. This post I like the summary of his opinion on the issue. "Meh". 1) Being excited =\= spamming. More than that, I wasn't posting anymore because I was sleeping. Different time zones hooray. I'm excited and I'm reading through everything but if you think not giving a opinion on someone is scummy, I'll say that giving free useless opinions on everyone is scummy. As I didn't know at the time what the Kenpachi rule was and as I said we needed more game to have a primary argument, I think it's pretty reasonable to just point out useless effort and wait to have more food to make a case, probably around midday. 2)Pointint out that I didn't know exactly what was happening because I didn't know the meaning of Kenpachi rule. How can I understand a fight if I can not understand the language? I think the team name bolding is very good so we can give a better analysis while diving through the topic. 3) See point 1. Also, I don't think it was unnecessary post as we were wasting breath on a useless subject by the moment, and I find scummy people who just spam things about useless objects, so town loses time and focus. It has already stopped, well, yes, but to the point you would say that I pratically necrobumped it? Check the post times or the distance between my post and the last "Kenpachi rule" post. It's less than a page. More: why would I bring the discussion back just to say "let's not discuss this"? If it was a misleading topic and I were scum, shouldn't I just keep the topic going on saying something like "oh we have to use this policy because of X"? | ||
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Ok I think we have enough posts to make a case. When I get home, I'll reach my computer and do what I do best: filter diving. Then I'm going to bring cases. Expect a big post in around 4 hours since now. Before I go, I must also say that focusing "townhunting" is worse than "scum hunting" in my opinion, because it gets easier to a scum to blend in your town circle and doesn't help to do a good lynch on day1, as you are going to choose who to lynch based on someone you just don't have a strong town read instead of lynching someone you have a strong scumread. | ||
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On July 12 2014 01:43 IAmRobik wrote: Dear Glowingbear, I'm town, and if marv is town, you're going to have a hard time convincing us to play this way. Sincerely, Town!Rob & PossibleTown!Marv I gave a brief reasoning why I think scum hunting is better. It's up to you to like this logic or not. I just think that pointing out who is townie isn't the best option. The first game I played the only three mafia were the three top townies specially because of this "oh I think these guys are townie". As I said, my opinion. Brb | ||
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Gonna take a shower, skim through the pages, filter dive my strongest scum read and give a case. Then, if I get enough energy, I'll filter dive other people's scum reads to give my opinion. God, it will take a while. -WeDemandALawyer: Haru and GlowingBear | ||
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What is the "chupazi rule"? | ||
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On July 12 2014 10:05 OnceKing wrote: there is no "chupazi rule" there is a "kenpachi rule" which is explained here however that's not relevant to current discussion chupazi is just slamspeak Thanks. I'm not willing to try to bring that up again. I saw someone saying "chupazi rule" and I couldn't understand his post anymore. Reaching page 25. | ||
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I really can't read more right now, I tried to analyze every single page and it seems my head can't absorb that much information. I started to write a summary on what was going on but I've got no more energy to do. It's incomplete, but I will leave it here in case someone finds it useful: Half-ass summary: + Show Spoiler + A) Game started with Eden claiming VT. Tehpoofter questioned it (indirectly btw). Got a wagon on him because of Kenpachi Rule policy. Bunnies and Eden started a discussion about the kenpachi rule and about Bunnies writing nonsense. B) Robik posted about getting on the backseat while ExO would take the main point of his team. Got wagoned when Eden decided that this and Robik's vt claim was suspicious. C) Rayn accused Eden's and tehpoofter's posts of being the worst of the thread. It can be viewed at page 22 as quoted by Ede. This is the game while on page 22. D) marv/mderg starts posting at page 23 right after Exo express his will to hear about them. E) Eden is questioned by marv and palmer for his vt claim. Eden insists in his vt claim. This is around page 24. F) Palmar scumreads my posts because he thinks it was filled with fluff and unhelpful, then voted on me and Haru. Page 26. G) Rayn decides to vote on me and Haru assuming that Haru was writing useless stuff when defending Palmar's push on me. 26-27 H) Robik posted and people got on him again, inquiring about his back seat attitude and his vt claim. I) 32 - 36: sqrt starts giving reads on everybody, mostly null or town reads, except for Palmar because... he didn't confirm? o.O. People start to pressure him. So, for what I read until now, I have three main targets I want to read more: ExO, Robik and Eden. I'll filter dive them tomorrow, as I didn't have energy enough even to read through 50 long pages. I have a stronger hunch on sqrt/alakaslam, as a lot of people were saying here. Why these guys? Because my way of scumhunting is going through passivity and too much friendly behavior. Going against people there were being quite and being friendly was my best bet on my first game and when I did that most of my readings got the right guys. I see this signals on sqrt's posts, mostly. Check out these quotes: sqrt's friendly quotes: + Show Spoiler + On July 12 2014 00:52 sqrtofneg1 wrote: First post that catches my eye. This team is leaning town. First team to get a signature. ![[image loading]](http://www.banfiwines.com/wp-content/uploa...on-670x390.jpg) On July 12 2014 01:01 sqrtofneg1 wrote: Eden is town. Last time I played with Eden, he was mafia, and he wasn't joking around like this. He came down hard on people. ![[image loading]](http://www.banfiwines.com/wp-content/uploads/cabernet-sauvignon-670x390.jpg) On July 12 2014 01:20 sqrtofneg1 wrote: Okay, rayn is first on my list. Town. Like I pointed out, this is an excellent post. On July 12 2014 01:24 sqrtofneg1 wrote: Haru is definitely strange. He is not acting like in previous games. I don't like him. His partner, Glowingbear, however, I do like. This: Is a good post. Decent logic here. Overall, I'm on the fence with these guys. Haru, a question for you. Why were you waiting for robik to say this? On July 12 2014 01:27 sqrtofneg1 wrote: Tehpoofter hasn't done much. No read on him. Bunnies, however, has talked alot. A lot lot. Bunnies isn't as helpful as in other games, to the best of my memory. She's not questioning anything, not pushing people, I don't like it. But I don't think we should lynch them because you usually don't lynch the most outspoken player, even if they're not posting all that useful stuff. Bunnies, any particular reason for not scumhunting? On July 12 2014 01:33 sqrtofneg1 wrote: Ray + tambo hasn't talked yet. No read. I've bolded most of his reads. He looks like he does not want to "get into the battlefield", mostly giving free townreads to people. What mostly bothers me: just one-liners. He made a push on Palmar, though: sqrt's vote on Palmar's: + Show Spoiler + On July 12 2014 01:31 sqrtofneg1 wrote: I do not like palmar. (this seems to be a trend) He hasn't /confirmed yet. First post: And then does nothing for a significant amount of time. Also this is not the palmar I saw when I played him. He was more analytical, more smart that game. This game, not so much. Stratiform, I don't have a clue. But this is my best read so far. They're mafia. ##Vote: Team Magic Computer Howerever, there is no strong argument to justify a lynch, as there is no strong argument to justify his townreads. If you check his filters, you will find tiny posts with little information and reasoning behind. It just looks like he is trying to look like he is contributing, but not contributing at all. But if he is scum, I'd better check Alakaslam also, because they are a team. If you filter dive him, you're going to find posts with no much useful information. Like this one: Hi Post from Alakaslam: + Show Spoiler + So, although I'm not sure if alakaslam is not contributing more because he, at the time, didn't have enough food on anybody, and although he doesn't have an overly friendly behavior like sqrt, this lack of contribution fits sqrt's attitude until now. Slam gotta do better to change my vote. | ||
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- WeDemandALawyer: Haru and GlowingBear | ||
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On July 12 2014 14:41 TheSlenderMan wrote: GlowingBear please filter my posts and comment on the case against you. I don't have many posts yet so the relevant posts are easy to find. Alright. --Your first case: + Show Spoiler + On July 12 2014 11:02 TheSlenderMan wrote: Still nowhere near caught up but I want to ##vote: Unvote ##vote: Team WeDemandALawyer Haru seems to have no incentive to Scumhunt, yet gives absurd Town-passes to Palmar (most noticeably) and later to Robik/ExO (when asked about the 'meh' comment). He/She also fumbled with his/her explanations (about the Glowinghand-defense) when pressured -- seems like a 'guilty conscience' that wasn't prepared to meet a sudden, hard-hitting question. (This bit, for instance: "Which was to watch out for the kenpachi argument because we felt it might be scum driven." Smells like trying to come up with a Pro-Town motive for something that has already been explained before in several posts -- why not say that commenting on the Kenpachi-argument was a plan devised together as Hydras when questions were first asked from Haru, instead of coming up with this motive only after it had drawn enough attention to be more than one Vote? Isn't this also a direct contradiction to saying earlier that Haru can't speak on Glowinghand's behalf?!) When did I turn into a hand? lol Kenpachi-argument wasn't a plan devised together as Hydras. I've used the QT to get his opinion about this policy. It was the same as mine. I decided to post about it because I think it was turning into a main point when it should be a secondary argument, and accessory argument. Saying it could be scum driven is not necessarily saying it was certainly scum driven. It was my way of saying that "watch out, you are getting something as certain while it is not, so keep it as a secondary argument and let's focus on a primary one". Haru can't speak on my behalf. We are a team but we don't share the same account nor the same ideas. I have suspicions on Robik. He said he likes Robik. We have different views while inside the same team, and I don't get why it is not natural. Ok, now on your bigger case: --Your second case: [spoiler] On July 12 2014 13:45 TheSlenderMan wrote: (1)Take a look at Glowing's filter, as well. No indication there that he wanted to 'watch out for the kenpachi argument because [we] felt it might be scum driven.' In fact, the comment Glowing makes of the 'argument' is quite a polar opposite to this claim (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/461355-team-melee-mini-mafia-v-newbies-and-vets?page=19#380). He sits on the fence as well as one can, regarding that subject. (2)http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/461355-team-melee-mini-mafia-v-newbies-and-vets?page=25#499 Haru says here that they were excited to play but not excited to talk about the Kenpachi-rule for 10 pages. Indicates that they did talk something together. (3)http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/461355-team-melee-mini-mafia-v-newbies-and-vets?page=26#503 Haru says that he and Glow should definitely comment on the Kenpachi-discussion -- the only motive I can glean from this post for that is that it was a 'hot topic' in the Thread for a long while. He doesn't say that they should, for instance, try to find possible Scummioso initiative in the initiation of the 'argument'. (And in fact, Haru doesn't seem to ever look for Scum. Not even when Voting for rayn.) (4)http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/461355-team-melee-mini-mafia-v-newbies-and-vets?page=26#510 Haru, again, reiterates that it was important for one of them to comment on the topic that took considerable amounts of threadspace. He says that they, as a Hydra, definitely wanted to talk ABOUT the Topic but nothing else. (5)http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/461355-team-melee-mini-mafia-v-newbies-and-vets?page=26#511 No Scumhunting prior to this post, then all of a sudden Palmar gets a FREE Town-pass for absolutely no reason at all. Alarm bells, they be a-ringin'! http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/461355-team-melee-mini-mafia-v-newbies-and-vets?page=26#516 Here Haru says he cannot speak on Glow's behalf... (6)http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/461355-team-melee-mini-mafia-v-newbies-and-vets?page=27#539 ...and here suddenly bringing the topic up was planned together. ('I can contribute by showing OUR collective intention. Which was to watch out for the kenpachi argument because we felt it might be scum driven.') Why not say that in the first place? And how does this alleged 'collective intention' show at all from the posts (by Glow) in question? Like, the whole notion about a 'collection intention' seems like an afterthought which actually doesn't fit either of their actions. Clearly they HAD discussed something regarding the on-thread discussion, but it doesn't seem like it was what Haru said in #539. Here's what Glow thought about the Kenpachi 'argument': Kenpachi rule doesn't sound as a winning plan to me. You may use it as a secondary argument but to get to the point you have a primary one there is so much game to be played. I think that if we keep discussing this topic it will just a waste of breath. Why do I think it's secondary: a scum can fake claim vt just so he can get townie to accuse him and get mislynched. More than that, a vt can simply try to pressure someone who claimed vt. Why not? Here's what Haru says they thought about the Ken-arg: OUR collective intention. Which was to watch out for the kenpachi argument because we felt it might be scum driven. I don't see this as consistent. (1) Answered above (2) It indicates we did talk and got the same opinion that it would be harmful to town to extend discussion regarding kenpachi policy at the time (3) As I said, in his posts he is never implying that the usage of kenpachi rule should be analyzed as possible scum maneuver. What he said is that it could be scum driven. And it could. But it's not a safe ground to walk on. So, why wasting breath on that policy? (4) Hmm, I guess you're getting the wrong interpretation of what he meant? I'll quote his post: + Show Spoiler + On July 11 2014 21:46 HaruRH wrote: So I guess here is where the problem lies I am not the same person as glowingbear and even though we are the same entity now, we are just a conjoined twin. My stance is that if glowingbear did not talk about the kenpachi rule thing, I would have talked about it. He never said he should talk about the topic and nothing else. This is you putting words in his mouth, dude. He said that, if I had not said anything about the poor usage of kenpachi rule, he would say. That's all. (5) In the context, he doesn't like what Palmar said. So that's why he considered OMGUSing. But he didn't want to OMGUS because it was early. Moreover, Haru played with Palmar before and probably has a good view of his meta, so why OMGUSing if he could have a hunch? (6) It's a team game. Again, I have a suspicion on Robik. Haru likes him. We are two heads in the same team, we think differently. However, sometimes, we have the same opinion, as for the kenpachi policy. He thought that, as a team mate who knows my alignment, he should defend be against attackers because (i) he knew my opinion on that, which was the same as his and (ii) when I'm attacked, he is also attacked because we are a team. I tried to answer it properly, but I am really tired. 3am here. Also, as even Haru said, we are a team but we are not the same person. He could answer you better because you've brought much more Haru's posts than mine. TBH, I don't really understand why you find these posts scummy lol | ||
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On July 12 2014 14:46 Eden1892 wrote: why am I anywhere in the stratosphere of your scumreads then I said I have suspicions while skimming through the pages that made me feel I should filter dive you tomorrow and that's all. I'm sorry guys, too exhausted, 3:30am, gonna sleep because I can't even understand what are you writing anymore. | ||
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On July 12 2014 15:22 Eden1892 wrote: also heads up: i'm not reading this shit or anything of similar length. if i go back on this and read it later consider it a merciful blessing by the grace of god but do not expect me to comment on anything this long because i won't I was answering Slenderman here. I don't think my case on sqrt is big. I've put all quotes on spoiler and you just have to read it if you think you should read proofs... | ||
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On July 12 2014 15:26 Eden1892 wrote: that's fine but when you get back i expect an explanation as to how you got the impression that i've been playing nice with people But I didn't said that... geez... I had suspicions on you, which doesn't mean you're necessarily suspicious of overly friendly behavior or passivity... that's why I'll filter dive you, so I can get a better view of what gave me the feeling that you were suspicious. My main scumhunting is attacking passivity/friendly behavior. It's not may only scumhunting method. Ok, now I'm gone. | ||
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I said I had suspicions on three people that I would cover today. I said that I had a scumread on a person and covered it. You preferred to focus on the people I have suspicions yet to be confirmed, and to ignore the case I've brought. So, let me ask: what do you think of the case I've brought on sqrt? Maybe now people won't simply disregard my efforts. | ||
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On July 13 2014 02:09 mderg wrote: I´ve never seen slam this angry, not sure what to make of this. I actually liked how he started this game, his reaction to the kenpachi rule looked townie to me and he looked carefree. The lack of good content didn´t look too good, though. Overall slam himself is not particularly scummy to me. sqrt however I don´t like. The lack of good reasoning/explanation of reads is concerning. He did take some clear stances like on Palmar and Eden earlier (both were unconvincing, though). I really didn´t like the sudden switch on Eden then. Overall that´s pointing towards scum but I´m not entirely convinced. I don't care if slam is pissed off, this is also a newbie game, if he thinks it's obvious he should explain why it is. If he gets angry for such little things he should try practicing muai thay or enter a anger management group. He's doing NOTHING to get his view clarified and to look like towny. He's just creating ruckus and a mess with posts. Being objective here: is that a town attitude or scum attitude? If you say "a pissed town attitude" then I'll remind that this is a newbie game and if he gets pissed with that, he should play "only vets" games. Koshi, I'll do that soon enough | ||
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On July 13 2014 03:10 sqrtofneg1 wrote: I've given my reads. Not wasting time elaborating on them. Choose to take them into consideration or not. Plus, reads, are just thoughts. One's thoughts are just thoughts. When I do flip town, you don't want to take my reads into consideration b/c they're just thoughts. Have you considered that I don't want town to win anymore? After they mislynch me D1? First time getting D1ed for me. Ever, including a significant number of irl games. But instead of not giving reads at all, I'm giving mine, just not explaining them. Make do with them. Play to win. This means you play your best to help your team win while you are alive and in the game. However, this does not mean that you should try to win by being a jerk to the other players so they all want to quit playing. This also means that you cannot leave the game without a good reason without a ban. These situations will be dealt with on a case by case basis. PM your host if you need to leave the game. | ||
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On July 13 2014 03:29 HaruRH wrote: you silly bear not helping town win = helping scum win ![[image loading]](http://38.media.tumblr.com/7daa2cfa641d3ce2e3697ccb21ba848a/tumblr_mu20lymUWv1sebo2bo1_500.gif) | ||
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As I said before, my preferred method of chasing scum is looking after passivity/overly friendly behavior, although not the only one (this is the last time I'm saying this, you all know it by now). So, what raised suspicions on ExO was this particular post: + Show Spoiler + On July 12 2014 00:54 ExO_ wrote: Some thoughts: Team D- I tend to have weird hours that I can be on, and I'm not just reading the TL forums 24/7, so while I can't always be as active as robik saying I'm not doing anything now isn't really giving me a fair shake in my opinion (@27ninjabunnies). Every game I've seen 27nb in she goes around being very caustic and arrogant towards some people, and very nice to others. It seems to be regardless of her alignment. I find it to be unhelpful, as she goes off on tangents with wild accusations filled with bullshit reasoning for scum reads. What this means in terms of the game is it's hard for me to read her as mafia or town. But I think she does more to cause problems in a town, than actually help with finding scum and uniting the town players. Poofter isn't saying much and is kinda letting her get out in front. I don't know how to interpret that, but in World Cup poofter stayed kinda quiet until it came time to push me in the wrong directions. Nearly worked too  .So a null read on the team but I generally think constantly creating a toxic atmosphere for the town is a bad thing even if they are town. Team Whine Slam is posting a fuck ton of 1 liners/pictures/general nonsense (hijole?) and sqrtofneg1 is saying nothing at all. In larger games I think mafia lurking works better than in a smaller game such as this, but it's almost nothing to read off of. Will have to wait to see what they vote day 1 and what happens night 1 to really know what to think of them. Team VendettaStrada I'm not sure if they're both posting from the same account, but it looks like it's all raynpelioneet. In my limited experience here I haven't seen him before, and though he hasn't posted a fuck ton of stuff, seems townish it to me. Looks like he's contributing. Team needs a lawyer I always kinda read HaruRH scummy, he has a little bit of omgus going on, but I miss read him in world cup so it gives me pause. So I look over at glowing bear, and he hasn't said a whole lot either. Just got caught up in the Kenpachi business. But doesn't really read town to me. I lean scum here, but I'm hesitant. Team Magic Carpet Not a lot of posts from straightform just asking questions "Robik why won't u post?, Why would exo/robik not posting Day 1 not be bad for town" etc... Palmar calls out team lawyer for not posting anything of value, but I see very little of value from him at all. After reading his filter i think Palmar is the most scummy looking person so far in the thread. *scum read* Team GoodCornBadCorn Completely afk. Like 1 combined other than their /in posts. like what....? Do they not know the game is happening? No reads yet for obvious reasons Team Crotch Rocket Not a lot being said from good Karma. Eden is posting quite a bit, and seems okay. I don't think mafia are going to be quite as active as eden is being, but it could be good coaching happening. Town read for now though Team Fraud walRus Sinani saying hardly anything, OnceKing's vote on our team I think is bad: it's based on robik not playing the game, when robik has been pretty active. Hasn't really expanded on any reads and got pretty caught up in ol' kenpachi but I don't get a scum vibe from him. Null read Team M squared mderg hasn't said too much, but I've generally liked and agreed with what marv has to say. I think Town So that leaves me with Town M squared Vendetta Strata (aka how can I make a parody of that team name) Rocket Crotch Null D- Whine* Goodcornbadcorn* Fraud walRus Scum Lawyer Magic Carpet *Mostly afk So, basically, a huge post with tons of null reads and three town reads. This is, to me, being over friendly. Moreover, if you check his scum guesses, he thinks me and haru might be scums because we are not posting things with value. However, he is hesitating on us. Then, he thinks Palmar is scum for saying that we are scum for not posting anything of value. So, he is attacking Palmar for using the same logic as him. So, not a good post. This is what made him feel suspicious for me. ********* --> About my suspicions on Robik Alright, I felt Robik was suspicious because he said he wasn't going to post and then started to spam things, or that is what I felt. Something like these posts: + Show Spoiler + On July 11 2014 12:29 IAmRobik wrote: read the thread. not gonna answer this again cause i'm a lil whiney bitch On July 11 2014 12:21 IAmRobik wrote: Didn't think about that and didn't have to worry about it because when I opened my role pm I found out that I was town. On July 11 2014 16:32 IAmRobik wrote: Cause I am god-tier at reading Rayn. And on that note I'm going to bed On July 11 2014 23:51 IAmRobik wrote: Man, if I was town jr and marv was my town sr, I would be so content right now. I literally would have 0 posts in the thread On July 11 2014 23:55 IAmRobik wrote: I mean, my comment had nothing to do with the game or my reads. It was a random thought that came to my head. On July 12 2014 03:45 IAmRobik wrote: just looked into the first game. I was in it. I was town. You were medic. You didn't save me n1. Policy lynch: ##vote: oncekingworstmedicnaeuoceana http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/postmessage.php?quote=611&topic_id=461355 On July 12 2014 01:40 IAmRobik wrote: Man this post is so fucking scummy, but this guy is town. Don't lynch him! On July 12 2014 00:57 IAmRobik wrote: TOWNIEST POST IN THE MOTHA FUCKIN THREAD. THIS GUY IS SO FUCKING BRUTALLY TOWN. IF ANYONE VOTES TO LYNCH HIM, YOU WILL FACE MY WRATH These are quotes with Robik's sarcasm (which is really funny imo). But the thing is, looking out of context, it just seems that he wants to spam the thread. While re-reading his filters and trying to put those quotes on context, it looked like he was actually answering people. But... I don't know. Poor answers tbh. He insists to let ExO post more too much, also. And... why quoting his partner just to say "look ppl, this guy is town!". I just think that his spamming is not good, it looks suspicious to me because it just makes the thread difficult to read. Finally, I haven't seem a hard push coming from that team. That's what raised suspicions on him. But people who played with Robik before can say better if I'm being too hard on his playfulness. ********** --> About my suspicions on Eden Same as Robik. Funny but unhelpful in some posts: + Show Spoiler + On July 11 2014 11:35 Eden1892 wrote: i'm allowed to do that because i'm confirmed town On July 11 2014 11:58 Eden1892 wrote: is D short for Dumb Shit That Doesn't Matter because Team TheD isn't talking about anything else right now On July 11 2014 12:04 Eden1892 wrote: it is, i use it all the time very high salt content though, much like your post On July 11 2014 12:43 Eden1892 wrote: wow ok count 'em up there's #2 we goin to da top town ![[image loading]](http://cdn2.vox-cdn.com/assets/4636903/cockypop2.gif) On July 11 2014 14:07 Eden1892 wrote: Boy it sure is boring being a Louisiana VOLTRON Mason with bunnies and OnceKing... Ok, I'll stop here because I've made my point. But that's not the only suspicious part. I find weird his strong push on poof based on a policy, while I think poof was being sarcastic regarding Eden's claim. But even if he thought poof was scum, I think he should reason it better. His explanation was late: + Show Spoiler + On July 11 2014 11:56 Eden1892 wrote: y'all are dumb as hell smh no one is using the Kenpachi Rule this is actually the Ihcapnek Rule, where someone is scum because they believe a VT claim too quickly, not because they cast doubt on the VT claim this is much better than the Kenpachi Rule and you should all follow the Ihcapnek Rule and vote TheD Ok, so, if he thinks this policy is good, he should push hard on it, no? He didn't: + Show Spoiler + On July 11 2014 14:59 Eden1892 wrote: Sweet. I didn't actually "get the feeling" blahblah at all, actually I was starting to back off my scumread of slot TheD and bunnies' recent posts have solidified that move. We're not lynching bunnies today ##UNVOTE Team TheD ##VOTE Team FakeClaim Why? Robik is on Team FakeClaim, and Robik claimed town. Therefore he is fake claiming and therefore he is scum. Checkmate Then, suddenly, Robik is town: + Show Spoiler + On July 12 2014 06:38 Eden1892 wrote: ok i'm on page 40 everybody shut the fuck up about robik he's town this is a waste bunnies is not toxic to the thread, her questions might not always be going places and her spat with robik or whoever tf back in the 30s was silly but it doesn't matter because she is also town we're lynching sqrt today, god bless america someone read the post i highlighted in response to exo's reads and tell me how it isn't scum-motivated His scumreads flips too quickly, look what followed up: + Show Spoiler + On July 12 2014 14:34 Eden1892 wrote: trufax, ignoring Slamroot for now right now I would only be okay with killing the following teams (listed in order in 2nd post of thread): - WeDemandALawyer - Magic Computer - GoodCopBadCop - M&M of those I like Magic Computer, GoodCopBadCop and M&M the most for potential next-lynches I'm not trying to ignore your case on WeDemandALawyer, promise, it's just weird to me that none of those slots have done anything I really remember/consider important On July 12 2014 15:21 Eden1892 wrote: ok friends here is a post count thus far, each number corresponds to the teams in the OP and the parentheses numbers are each poster 1: 31 posts (020/011) 2: 36 posts (025/011) 3: 99 posts (044/055) 4: 123 posts (031/092) 5: 64 posts (043/021) 6: 21 posts (009/012) 7: 80 posts (008/072) 8: 93 posts (077/016) 9: 89 posts (011/078) 10: 91 posts (076/015) preliminary thoughts by team: - slot 1 can stay, low posting but slenderman is doing work IMO, not killing this slot - slot 2 is whatever i'll sort it out later but i would be ok killing it - slot 3 is scum, we're killing today - slot 4 is memorable as town + high-posting so we're not killing this slot - slot 5 is oddly unmemorable for >60 posts, would be okay killing - slot 6 TBD, low post count and not memorable but a lot of that is Koshi replacing in - slot 7 is confirmed town, we're never killing this slot - slot 8 is funny because robik said he wasn't gonna talk but then has a bunch of posts. also we're not killing this slot because it's memorable as town + high-posting - slot 9 is confirmed town, we're never killing this slot - slot 10 is unmemorable despite a lot of posting, would be okay killing this slot tl;dr: - slot 3 scum - slots 1, 4, 7, 8, 9 are off the table - slot 6 tbd - slots 2, 6, 10 look good, probably in that order That concludes what I found suspicious on Robik, ExO and Eden. 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On July 13 2014 15:34 OnceKing wrote: i'm available for an hour or so if anyone wants to ask me questions Ok. What are your thoughts on the votecount that led to the mislynch? | ||
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On July 13 2014 20:24 marvellosity wrote: honestly I can't really be bothered, because it's boring. I think anything you wrote could have been written by mafia, but Haru being weird on several occasions has made me leery of lynching you. Take it or leave it my friend ^^ "Glowingbear threw random names" *a huge post justifying my suspicions* "Lol tl;dr too boring to read." Gg. At least koshi had the decency to reply to my post Koshi, about Robik, I said that his posts, at least out of context, sounded like he was simply throwing random jokes and that when looking inside a context I wasn't sure if they were some random jokes or had some kind of meaning, but I still thought they were simple spam. When I say spam I am referring to a lot of posts with little information. I think that they make the thread bigger and useless. I think this is harmful to town. That is why I like to skim through the thread and post big posts, because it makes easier to people analyse what I say. I'm still improving on the formatting so I makes easier. I'm doing my best to be clear to town, clear to any analyses, but still there are people saying that I look scummy for that. I can't really understand why. | ||
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On July 14 2014 10:04 TheSlenderMan wrote: @Haru/GlowingBear – so you're both saying that you had agreed to talk about the Kenpachi-argument in-thread but didn't have any concrete plan to, for instance, catch Scum by doing it. What exactly was the reason you wanted to bring up the Kenpachi-argument, then? @Haru@ExO – Why did you not like the Slamroot-Lynch yesterday? @Koshi I'd STILL like you to elaborate on your Strat- and ExO-reads? @Everyone – is Haru's claim that Robik has intentionally 'broken' his meta correct IYO (so that he always can 'confirm' himself as Town) or was VisceraEyes correct when he told me (in an earlier Round) that Robik plays weird tricks like this regardless of his affiliation? @Everyone – no comments on this? (The above should also answer you, Robik. You two are a slot so ofc I want to hear about your meta when ExO's pinging me.) I must say that I am starting to find strange your misinterpretations of my answers. When did we brought up the Kenpachi-argument? I've just made an intervention asking people to change topics because discussing that was unhelpful to town at that moment. Actually you are the only one ATM still referring to that. Why? I don't know what to do, tbh. I put a lot of effort on my cases and what I get mostly is "tl;dr" or "lol big post filter diving probably mafia trying to look townie". That's the way I first learned to play. Filter dive people, find what you look suspicious, bring these suspicions up so other townies can analyse too. Bring proof with it (quotations). I don't understand how constantly spamming is a good play. But I'm just getting ignored. I'm ok with people not agreeing with my argumentation. But simply stating that a mafia could do that without even trying to understand my reasons... Frustrating... | ||
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On July 14 2014 18:45 Koshi wrote: [/i][/i][/i][/i]This was made on page 35: This was made on page 45: GlowingBear has shown activeness through pages 1 to 45. These 2 quotes come from the bottom of his first first page of filter. How can you be active in the first 35 pages of the game, say you will make cases when you return in 4 hours, and then when you return you are totally lost because there are 10 more pages to read? What is the difference between 35 pages or 45 pages? To me this looks like a scum showing activity in the early game but not thinking about the game. Then after being pressured to give reads (also by his own teammate HaruRh: "GlowingBears reads are amazing, just wait on them") he says he will do it in 4 hours, but when trying to come up with reads failing horribly. This feeling is only strenghtened by the actual read post: So this read post is 13 hours later then when he promised he was going to provide reads. But Glowingbear doesn't get further then the page he was on when he promised these reads. These reads all date back to page 35. Now if we look at the actual content in this post there is only something on sqrt, and it has nothing to do with scumhunting. It's just sqrt is being friendly and on the sidelines. Which is exactly how Glowingbear is playing tbh, this is the first post that contains any form of reads and we are 50 pages far. There is nothing on Alakaslam. From reading the Alakaslam filter GlowingBear quoted a post about Alakaslam saying "Hi". That's it. I don't even know what to say about that except that it isn't a townie looking to figure out Alakaslam his alignment. HaruRh makes it look like GlowingBear was pretty good in previous games at scumhunting, I haven't checked this but if GlowingBear did find scum. He probable didn't do it by analysing "Hi" posts. So in this post he against promises reads for 3 other people. I am seeing a pattern here. GlowingBear keep getting behind on the thread and then by catching up he doesn't have to play in the moment. He just gives himself time to make outdated posts. In theory this is already 100% scummy, but forgivable if the reads would help the game forward. Or in the very least attempt to do so: This again is so many hours later and I already commented on this post to show goodwill to GlowingBear. But in the end this post just isn't what it should be. There is nothing here that pushes the game forward, that only a townie would think off or what a scum wouldn't say. Then in the following many muchos hours. GlowingBear keeps referring back to his post about ExO, Robik and Eden. Why? Is it because he still thinks these 2 teams are the scumteams? I dare you. Who are the scummers in GlowingBear his mind right now? Tell me? You can't. Now I also skimmed HaruRh his posts and I don't see much scumhunting there as well. Pretty sure he calls Robik town, I don't know about Eden. cba to look atm. I already know enough. ##vote: WeDemandALawyer (1st bolded part): You do understand that I took the effort to look and think about every single post since the beginning of day one and that's why I found 10 more pages would take much more energy than I think I was going to spend, right? Haru didn't sound like that. I've played only one game and he was in it, and he was scum. With good coaching, I managed to flip my reads and realize who was scum in there, although not without doubts. The way I did it? Exactly how I'm doing now. (2nd bolded part): I couldn't give it before, I came late to home and it took me long enoughto read through everything. (3rd bolded part): I'm playing completely different from sqrt and if you think that his friendly quotations have nothing to do with scumhunt, you've not reading my posts at all. Sqrt style was to came to the topic, say only "Lol this guy is mafia this guy isn't kthxbai", people asking him to give reasoning and he saying "no thx I conceded I think this guy is mafia dunno why". I'm giving thoughts on topics and I'm giving thoughts on people. Some were suspicions, one was a scumread. I have to filter dive people and analysing their posts takes a long time. (4th bolded part) Also, the quote I've brought was an example of what slam was doing the whole game, just one example. You're going to say that I should've quote all slam's useless posts? (5th bolded part): Really? I don't understand how there is outdated posts in a forum mafia. Actually, I think I don't understand how to play forum mafia at all. I always thought it was by reading through posts again and again, trying to find odd signals and bring them to discussion, even if they are posts from the beginning but that can prove what you're stating. But in this game it seems that it is better to pretend this is a video mafia and to start spamming one liners everywhere and ignoring big posts because "reading is boring". If you sum up all one liners it will be bigger than my posts and they will have no contribution at all. But, hey! It's forum mafia and that's how it's done. | ||
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On July 15 2014 02:11 Koshi wrote: GlowingBear. 1) Where are you atm in the thread? 2) Who are your scumreads. 1)I've catched up. So, page 84. I often use my phone to skim through the most recent pages, that's how I keep up. 2) I have a scumread on Slender but me and Haru are not in agreement yet. I guess he is sleeping right now. I was saving it to bring a case, but my reasons on my scumread: he came to the topic, questions me and Haru on answered subjects. I answer him properly. He insists on the same subject. Which one? "Kenpachi-argument". A dead topic by page 20. He is bringing it up again at page 80. That is an outdated read, if you were looking for one. I do think he was pushing against me and Haru because he knew marv would flip green and that he could use that information to mislynch us. Trying to make it clearer: marv had suspicions on me. Pushing against me before his flip would legitimise slender scumread on me when marv flipped. Isn't the Kenpachi thing so little to continuously pick on and make a case solely on it? | ||
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On July 15 2014 02:06 IAmRobik wrote: If Phil smurfing on Bear's account? Who's Phil? | ||
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On July 15 2014 03:12 27ninjabunnies wrote: So, tehpoofter is going to be the active one for today (I hope.) I have to go to work, and won't be back til late tonight. On one note: Koshi's case was pretty good. Like... I'm impressed. It makes me want to change my read on him. Night kills are pretty weird. Like, we can only speculate, but I've got this submarine, and it wants to go into the depths of conspiracy theories and cases. So to keep in mind. We had 10 teams. 8-2 7-2 after lynch 5-2 after night kills. 4-2 if there is a ml. 3-2 for night kill. (Unless we have doctor or JK and can get a save. Which would be pro) So we only can afford 1 more mislynch. JS. So make those reads and cases, and I'll be back later! On July 11 2014 10:04 kitaman27 wrote: The setup has been modified by adding 1 additional vanilla townie and granting the mafia 1 additional kp on night one. 2 kp only on night one. | ||
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On July 15 2014 03:27 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Goddamnit, I have a chart prepared for all my marv games and I didn't even get to use it  ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/3BAW2Kw.png) I love this and I'm loving you for it. | ||
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On July 15 2014 08:55 raynpelikoneet wrote: i still think we should lynch haru/gb because of what's been said on D1. All of our team's filter is full of the case on them and i can't understand why noone has commented on any of it. My posts are hard to understand, i know, but Slendy's are not. Go read them with a bit of time please. Also their defence (and pretty much all of their posts) consists of multiple omguses and "this thing happened 50 pages ago, just let go" (while never they did comment on the actual accusation in the first place while asked to do so multiple times). That's completely untrue. None of my posts had OMGUS except when I said that you confirmed my suspicion on Slender. My post against Cabernet Sauvignon wasn' OMGUS, my suspicions on Exo, Robik and Eden weren't OMGUS. Koshi has been hard pushing me as you and slender had, but his arguments are reasonable, yours and Slender's felt weird (most for Slender, I gotta admit I am starting to like your posts, but not to the point of not scumread your teammate). I've expressed brief reasoning why I felt Slender's hard push on us was looking odd, I am going to write more about that when I stop being lazy and actually move to the computer. If I were OMGUSing like you said we were, shouldnt I scumread koshi also? | ||
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On July 15 2014 08:56 Eden1892 wrote: i could also go for harubear so long as we take out poofybunnies or harubear... fuck these animals, let's get us human beings in a mob What on rayn's post made you change your mind? What on my post makes me suspicious? Please clarify it to me, I cannot understand how could you change your read so quickly | ||
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On July 15 2014 09:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am talking about my team's cases on you, not anyone else. Yes you both have literally just responded like i said. Now sleep, cya guys tomorrow. Your team case was constantly asking about Kenpachi rule. Our response was always saying that we thought it was a waste of efforts. I can't see OMGUS here. I started suspecting your partner because of his constant push on an answered topic. Anyway, if you think there are topics unanswered, why don't you just directly ask them to me? I've been answering everything. | ||
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Before dying, marv had a scum read on me. This was his post about it, if you want to take a look: + Show Spoiler + On July 12 2014 18:54 marvellosity wrote: I'm at my best friend's wedding today, so I'm leaving things in mderg's capable hands. He's probably going to make the final decision, not sure if/when I'll be able to check my phone. Few things I noted, mebbe they're useful or will be, maybe not. With slam/sqrt, check how easy the wagon is, I don't see any pushback for the lynch. I don't really get this weird martyring behaviour from a team of 2, you'd expect at least one of them to prop up the other. I don't know what that means. They're both unstable? Or it's a ploy? ?? I'm not used to Slam insulting the thread like this. That doesn't make me feel good. I'm tentatively ok with this lynch but with reservations I guess. Stratiform doesn't look quite so bad. Not sure about Palmar. Not gonna be around to judge him on today's play so meh. Poofter didn't bother playing. Many scumpoints. I've felt ok about bunnies, but Poofter dragging her down. Probably not lynch but I don't trust. Right now I like Haru/Glowing for mafia most. Throws in random names (Robik, ExO, Eden) and a couple of times states that he scumhunts through passivity and friendly behaviour. These 3 names don't make much (any?) sense in this context. Robik the most abrasive of them all, Eden has been active, ExO's argued his corner firmly enough. His description of what he's looking for -> these 3 names doesn't seem natural to me. He brings up Robik as suspicious again in a later post but again never explains why, again it is the opposite of what he's looking for in mafia. sqrt/Slam may have been passive to some extent maybe? They've been quite prickly too. There seems to be a whole bunch of other targets that conform to his self-professed view. Basically I find the 3 names he throws in, together with his self-styled description of scumhunting, together with how he introduced sqrt/slam as scummy after that, very suspicious indeed. My best bet for mafia right now. This happened when votecount was clearly showing that Cabernet Sauvignon was going to be lynched (4 votes on alakaslam/sqrt1, with marv/mderg voting on me). Mafia could simply vote anyone and draw suspicions about anyone; lynch on slam would still happen. Ok, so, what's an easy thing to do in that scenario? Draw suspicions on a team since before the lynch. Then, using kp to kill a team that draw wrong suspicions on a townie, trying to make everyone go against this townie guy. This isn't WIFOM, it's a very reasonable strategy. If you check vote count, they have voted on us and then switched at the very end to Carbernet Sauvignon. So, this is a preliminary thing. This alone means nothing. This is NOT what gave me a scumread on VendettaStrada. But I do think that, if they are mafia, they followed this strategy. ********************************************* (on Slender's posts - main scumread) Now this is my main point, why I actually feel Slender's being acting strange. His first post was a push on me and haru + Show Spoiler + On July 12 2014 11:02 TheSlenderMan wrote: Still nowhere near caught up but I want to ##vote: Unvote ##vote: Team WeDemandALawyer Haru seems to have no incentive to Scumhunt, yet gives absurd Town-passes to Palmar (most noticeably) and later to Robik/ExO (when asked about the 'meh' comment). He/She also fumbled with his/her explanations (about the Glowinghand-defense) when pressured -- seems like a 'guilty conscience' that wasn't prepared to meet a sudden, hard-hitting question. (This bit, for instance: "Which was to watch out for the kenpachi argument because we felt it might be scum driven." Smells like trying to come up with a Pro-Town motive for something that has already been explained before in several posts -- why not say that commenting on the Kenpachi-argument was a plan devised together as Hydras when questions were first asked from Haru, instead of coming up with this motive only after it had drawn enough attention to be more than one Vote? Isn't this also a direct contradiction to saying earlier that Haru can't speak on Glowinghand's behalf?!) I think his reasoning is quite OK this. He demands answers. I'm still not finding odd his misinterpretations of our posts. Then, he posts this huge post, which I answered when I could (both posts on spoiler) + Show Spoiler + On July 12 2014 13:45 TheSlenderMan wrote: Take a look at Glowing's filter, as well. No indication there that he wanted to 'watch out for the kenpachi argument because [we] felt it might be scum driven.' In fact, the comment Glowing makes of the 'argument' is quite a polar opposite to this claim (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/461355-team-melee-mini-mafia-v-newbies-and-vets?page=19#380). He sits on the fence as well as one can, regarding that subject. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/461355-team-melee-mini-mafia-v-newbies-and-vets?page=25#499 Haru says here that they were excited to play but not excited to talk about the Kenpachi-rule for 10 pages. Indicates that they did talk something together. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/461355-team-melee-mini-mafia-v-newbies-and-vets?page=26#503 Haru says that he and Glow should definitely comment on the Kenpachi-discussion -- the only motive I can glean from this post for that is that it was a 'hot topic' in the Thread for a long while. He doesn't say that they should, for instance, try to find possible Scummioso initiative in the initiation of the 'argument'. (And in fact, Haru doesn't seem to ever look for Scum. Not even when Voting for rayn.) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/461355-team-melee-mini-mafia-v-newbies-and-vets?page=26#510 Haru, again, reiterates that it was important for one of them to comment on the topic that took considerable amounts of threadspace. He says that they, as a Hydra, definitely wanted to talk ABOUT the Topic but nothing else. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/461355-team-melee-mini-mafia-v-newbies-and-vets?page=26#511 No Scumhunting prior to this post, then all of a sudden Palmar gets a FREE Town-pass for absolutely no reason at all. Alarm bells, they be a-ringin'! http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/461355-team-melee-mini-mafia-v-newbies-and-vets?page=26#516 Here Haru says he cannot speak on Glow's behalf... http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/461355-team-melee-mini-mafia-v-newbies-and-vets?page=27#539 ...and here suddenly bringing the topic up was planned together. ('I can contribute by showing OUR collective intention. Which was to watch out for the kenpachi argument because we felt it might be scum driven.') Why not say that in the first place? And how does this alleged 'collective intention' show at all from the posts (by Glow) in question? Like, the whole notion about a 'collection intention' seems like an afterthought which actually doesn't fit either of their actions. Clearly they HAD discussed something regarding the on-thread discussion, but it doesn't seem like it was what Haru said in #539. Here's what Glow thought about the Kenpachi 'argument': Kenpachi rule doesn't sound as a winning plan to me. You may use it as a secondary argument but to get to the point you have a primary one there is so much game to be played. I think that if we keep discussing this topic it will just a waste of breath. Why do I think it's secondary: a scum can fake claim vt just so he can get townie to accuse him and get mislynched. More than that, a vt can simply try to pressure someone who claimed vt. Why not? Here's what Haru says they thought about the Ken-arg: OUR collective intention. Which was to watch out for the kenpachi argument because we felt it might be scum driven. I don't see this as consistent. On July 12 2014 15:19 GlowingBear wrote: Alright. --Your first case: When did I turn into a hand? lol Kenpachi-argument wasn't a plan devised together as Hydras. I've used the QT to get his opinion about this policy. It was the same as mine. I decided to post about it because I think it was turning into a main point when it should be a secondary argument, and accessory argument. Saying it could be scum driven is not necessarily saying it was certainly scum driven. It was my way of saying that "watch out, you are getting something as certain while it is not, so keep it as a secondary argument and let's focus on a primary one". Haru can't speak on my behalf. We are a team but we don't share the same account nor the same ideas. I have suspicions on Robik. He said he likes Robik. We have different views while inside the same team, and I don't get why it is not natural. Ok, now on your bigger case: --Your second case: (1) Answered above (2) It indicates we did talk and got the same opinion that it would be harmful to town to extend discussion regarding kenpachi policy at the time (3) As I said, in his posts he is never implying that the usage of kenpachi rule should be analyzed as possible scum maneuver. What he said is that it could be scum driven. And it could. But it's not a safe ground to walk on. So, why wasting breath on that policy? (4) Hmm, I guess you're getting the wrong interpretation of what he meant? I'll quote his post: + Show Spoiler + On July 11 2014 21:46 HaruRH wrote: So I guess here is where the problem lies I am not the same person as glowingbear and even though we are the same entity now, we are just a conjoined twin. My stance is that if glowingbear did not talk about the kenpachi rule thing, I would have talked about it. He never said he should talk about the topic and nothing else. This is you putting words in his mouth, dude. He said that, if I had not said anything about the poor usage of kenpachi rule, he would say. That's all. (5) In the context, he doesn't like what Palmar said. So that's why he considered OMGUSing. But he didn't want to OMGUS because it was early. Moreover, Haru played with Palmar before and probably has a good view of his meta, so why OMGUSing if he could have a hunch? (6) It's a team game. Again, I have a suspicion on Robik. Haru likes him. We are two heads in the same team, we think differently. However, sometimes, we have the same opinion, as for the kenpachi policy. He thought that, as a team mate who knows my alignment, he should defend be against attackers because (i) he knew my opinion on that, which was the same as his and (ii) when I'm attacked, he is also attacked because we are a team. I tried to answer it properly, but I am really tired. 3am here. Also, as even Haru said, we are a team but we are not the same person. He could answer you better because you've brought much more Haru's posts than mine. TBH, I don't really understand why you find these posts scummy lol So, questions answered. Let's move on? NOPE! He insists asking things that were already answered. Wants haru to give his word about it and moreover, still twists my answer by saying this: + Show Spoiler + On July 14 2014 10:04 TheSlenderMan wrote: @Haru/GlowingBear – so you're both saying that you had agreed to talk about the Kenpachi-argument in-thread but didn't have any concrete plan to, for instance, catch Scum by doing it. What exactly was the reason you wanted to bring up the Kenpachi-argument, then? @Haru@ExO – Why did you not like the Slamroot-Lynch yesterday? @Koshi I'd STILL like you to elaborate on your Strat- and ExO-reads? @Everyone – is Haru's claim that Robik has intentionally 'broken' his meta correct IYO (so that he always can 'confirm' himself as Town) or was VisceraEyes correct when he told me (in an earlier Round) that Robik plays weird tricks like this regardless of his affiliation? @Everyone – no comments on this? (The above should also answer you, Robik. You two are a slot so ofc I want to hear about your meta when ExO's pinging me.) Really? Kenpachi again? We never brought that up, I just posted that we should move to another topic. Yet he still says that we've brought up. It seems that he is so hardly trying to talk about kenpachi rule again. If so, he should post it. Not trying to convince everybody of something we did not do, which is bringing that thing up. To me, it seems he is so desperately trying to have an argument to call me scum - leading into a mislynch - that he is picking anything, even little things, and insisting on it. He is even using marv's suspicious to support his hard push, which makes sense with the set-up strategy I've brought. He says "I don't see anything wrong with marv's Glow/Haru -points when he expressed his suspicion". Then his partner also starts a hard push on me. His reasoning was that I was overexplaining things with no basis. Really? Bringing quotations to support a theory = overexplaining? And if I really was overexplaining like he said, why would that be so scum that he thought a hard push on me would be a winning plan? To me, it just seems that they are after me because nightkilled people had a hunch on me, making things easier to mafia to force a mislynch on us. They misinterpret posts and scumreads us based on small things or putting words in our mouths. "tl;dr, you're OMGUSing" - no, I'm not. 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On July 16 2014 02:42 Koshi wrote: It's for the 2 lynch candidates to take the iniative atm. Why.are they not posting? I made a case, Haru made his defense and voted. All that is happening is Robik playing da Vizzini and not putting his vote anywhere. Same goes to OK and TheD. Why are these guys not voting? | ||
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On July 16 2014 06:21 Tehpoofter wrote: Morning if Robik voted me he is mafia if not he's confirmed town. Supposing you get lynched and flip green. What would you recommend townies to do d3? | ||
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I asked to see how poof would react and the best way to react is to try to make a case on the 2nd wagon. Mafia would completely help him to get out of his lynch. I am doing my best to help town the way I think I should. I'm reason and re reading, answering questions properly, and getting voted for that. Poof was away the entire game, sees a possibility of mislynch, writes a half ass case on me, talks about marv (set up strategy I wrote before), and you guys are jumping on the wagon. Really? | ||
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On July 16 2014 07:30 Tehpoofter wrote: Do you think I'm mafia or just mad the votes on you? Haru has been getting this mafia feel from you since the beginning. I've build a case against rayn and I think he is mafia, but you and bunnies were a possibility. So, it's getting close to the EoD and you suddenly get back to posting. What does my gut says? "ask him about what we should do if they get lynched and flip green" If you were mafia, I believed you would take this chance to look less scum and do a hard push on the second wagon, and that you would get the support of your scum partner. Suddenly, you start talking about marv, how you think OK is probably mafia but isn't (what??) and then BOOM vote glowingbear because I am hating his posts and that's all. Suddenly, OK votes on me. I think this was a good trap to find a possible scum partner. If scum was ok with the mislynch, there would not be a sudden change of votes, especially getting closer to de EoD. | ||
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On July 16 2014 07:44 OnceKing wrote: I'm not talking about your scum play. I don't even pretend to know your scum play. All I know is that the posts I remember from you are a million words on Rayn and a something on Koshi that doesn't make sense. And trying to let gb take the reins and then you stepping up to clean up his shit which you not only never mentioned before or hinted at at all but failed to do because those were the first posts that made me look at your team funny. And those paragraphs can definitely change my mind. I've been on the fence the whole day, that shit was so townie it made something click in my mind. It's almost as if you haven't even read my post because I'm not talking about your scum game there, I'm talking about glowingbear's distinctive not-his-town game. Also it didn't change "all of my reads" I thought that the winning turn on that game was that I started to filter dive like hell and get reads on people. Check my read on templar. I thought I should do the same here. If you check poof's filter on that game, he is much more aggressive when town. This is his first hard push, only when he gets close to being lynched. Completely different meta. | ||
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On July 16 2014 07:51 HaruRH wrote: Yea lets do it Fuck this. If town even wins ill be so fucking amazed. People just need to realize how suspicious that hard push was. I ask him a question, he says a lot from everyone, then BOOM votes on us. His FIRST hard push. NEAR EoD. His FIRST try to contribute. I was fishing for it and fishing for someone to support him so he could get out of the mislynch. It worked. But also with townies. Summary of poof play this game: "I can't post much. ; I can't post now ; We are town! LOL ; Alright, brb! ; GBHARU MAFIA GET THEM" He brings marv to support his attack (lol set-up strategy anyone?), he sees the opportunity of getting out of the lynch, and someone blindly follows him. People, COME ON! | ||
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On July 16 2014 07:56 IAmRobik wrote: GB, what do you think of Robik driving home from work TBH you're the hugest question mark to me in this game. I read you as town, but when you start to shit meaningless posts I get back on my reads. You have a strong townread on me. Why? Are you considering telling why to help town in this game or just pointing out this is going to be a mislynch and wait people saying "oh god Robik was right he is probably town"? Haru had a feeling you were town because of your meta, so I am believing him. My best scum guesses are poof and rayn, but honestly, that "trap" I set worked so good on OK... Also, I think you are pretty active. Also, I think you are pretty. Also, I think you should drive instead of posting, you can get yourself killed :O | ||
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On July 16 2014 07:58 IAmRobik wrote: I laid out earlier EXACTLY what is going to happen. Banks is going to afk until the very end. He's either gonna give a shit defense cause he's town and convince me that he's town but not convince anyone else, or he's going to give the best defense, just like he did in world cup and then no one is gonna want to lynch him. He started out with the former, which made me think, jeez, maybe it's a bad lynch, but now that he's come in with full guns blazing he's like 1000000000% mafia and everyone switching off of him is drinking cool aid straight out of his lying butthole. You actually said that exact thing. So, you were helping townies BEFORE they needed that help. I think I love you. | ||
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If poof was town, why would he wait until EoD to do this hard push on us? Just to remember, "because of new facts near EoD came up" is not an answer. He based his case on old posts and a precious game. He could've brought his case earlier. | ||
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Oh god. Changing wagons near EoD is the best way to get into a mislynch. Poof knows that. He waited to build this case just close to the EoD so if he was the lynch target he could get out of the lynch. You're really not realising this? | ||
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On July 16 2014 08:18 OnceKing wrote: yeah so that's just mafia right not "OK is mafia but not" He say you could be mafia. He says if I am flip green, you're certainly mafia. He votes on me. Therefore, he is considering you're not mafia and I am | ||
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I'm all for lynching you. Tbh, we thought you were scum day1 and that's why we put the check on you. We would never try to lynch someone we had townie feel. It doesn't matter anyway. We are probably going to die n2 | ||
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On July 16 2014 08:48 Tehpoofter wrote: ##unvote ##Vote: VendettaSTrade They're not around they don't care about the end of day. I care I'm town. IF YOU ARE TOWN AND VOTING ME YOU ARE NOT PLAYING TOWARDS YOUR WINCON! This is actually a good point IMO | ||
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On July 16 2014 09:35 Tehpoofter wrote: Haru/GB where you at? what are you thinking? Koshi/Artanis you both afk too? Robik I know you're here. I'm trying to cover possible scenarios. Still, it seems I should lynch my scumreads, and those are you and Rayn, so, lynching you helps check. It really helps, because we will get to know alignments. In case Robik is medic, we live. In case he isn't, we die. If we die, Robik is certainly mafia. If we live and nobody dies, he is medic. Now, yes, we should be lynching our main scumreads. You are one of them, even after these bunch of posts which I must assume that have pretty decent logic. But you had all the day to defend yourself. You had all the day to put town in the right path but you didn't. Sorry poof, I actually love your play style since that game we've played but your lynch seems to be the best option to me. | ||
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On July 16 2014 09:43 Tehpoofter wrote: Think about this Glowing bear WE have played the one game together THE ONE When did i start playing in that game? At EOD I did everything at EOD thats what its the hardest for sucm to play I went over this a bunch. Like think about when i was townie at last game. You realise that we've only killed Teemu because I voted on him, right? You went straight for Epishade lol. Yeah, I remember that game, that's also what made me think you're probably scum. You came by EoD, that's right, but you were much, much more aggressive, much more... Counselling(?). You always started a wagon, a second wagon, trying to disrupting mafia. Now, you're just really passive. You're only starting to be aggressive now. I'm not willing to change votes | ||
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On July 16 2014 09:52 Tehpoofter wrote: I VOTED HARU AND MADE HIM FAKE CLAIM I came in aggressive sadly it was on you and I was only aggressive at the end of the game. I was wrong though Like I was probably wrong on ou I'm town here. What can i do to make you change? Haru where you at you were in the game too? You came aggressive too late, that's what I'm saying. You can't convince me you are town. You can only convince me if you bring a better scenario. This is the scenario I have: we kill you, you flip whatever and we can get useful check against other players. If we die, we have our mafia: Robik, and we are out of LYLO. If we don't, we have our certain check. Give me a better scenario. You're assuming Rayn is scum but he could not be, that's where the problem lies. We would get a similar scenario but our checks would mean nothing because we won't know alignments for sure | ||
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On July 16 2014 10:03 Tehpoofter wrote: No one is here. This is a misslynch. I swear GB ROBIK WILL YOU BE HAPPY WHEN I FLIP TOWN??? ANSWER ME THIS?? I'll be sad because I like you and your play style I think I know what you're saying about the gap in my logic but I think he wouldn't be so silly. If we are taking the same thing here. OnceKing, Eden's scenario is not accurate because in case there are only 4 of us, the parity check will only reveal if people are on the same team or not, which means NOTHING because we will be 2 towns and 2 scums. Eden is assuming he is confirmed town, but he isn't. I just BELIEVE he is town. | ||
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On July 16 2014 10:10 IAmRobik wrote: I READ EVERYTHING. (maybe i missed a couple posts somewhere in the 105-107 range...don't remember which page i pseudo skimmed). BANKS IS MAFIA. IF HE WASN'T MAFIA HE WOULDN'T MIND GETTING LYNCHED HERE. WE GUARANTEE INFORMATION TOMORROW THAT IS WAY BETTER INFORMATION THAN IF HE WERE ALIVE. This is so easy tbh. Kill proofs, he flips green (if not red), I die, Robik and Rayn mafia gets killed. Kill poofs, flips red, kill once king because they were paired. My mind is not working properly right now tbh but it seems that this is the thing. Poof, sorry, no. Won't risk changing my vote now. I'm so, so sorry | ||
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On July 16 2014 10:20 Eden1892 wrote: alright, time to pull the trump card. Robik fakeclaimed medic. I am the jailer. Bear, you are never getting that scan because I am jailing you tonight so we don't lose our confirmed town. Drop your lynch on Poofter and move to rayn with me. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA WTF IS GOING ON IN THIS GAME | ||
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On July 16 2014 10:29 Tehpoofter wrote: Haru/GB proven wrong by town over and over mafia sits in the shadows haru and gb confirmed worst cop that ever lived in the history of ever. I asked specific scenarios, you're not bringing it. You do get that if Rayn is town, it would be better if we have lynched you, right? Robik will die anyway if it was a fake claim. Tbh no people claimed being jailed yet. Who you jailed last night, Eden? | ||
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On July 16 2014 10:34 Tehpoofter wrote: I will take that risk. I will take that risk cause I know a) you lynch me and a town dies b) you don't lynch me we lynch rayn he has a >0% chance of being mafia. YOU will take the risk? That's the better scenario? Not happening, I'm sorry. I'm still deciding which claim to believe. I think game was figured out. Poof don't be mad :/ | ||
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And then there is the jailer. Better have a cop trying to check than keeping him in a jail and being just a plain vanilla. If you are a jailer you should focus jailing scum now. That's it, my decision is taken. I won't change my vote. Goodbye poof, I love you, don't be mad | ||
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Robik does not want a push on Rayn! If I get killed is because he isn't a medic! Therefore, he is mafia and his partner is Rayn! I believe. | ||
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On July 16 2014 10:51 OnceKing wrote: what if hes just doing dumb shit as a vt what about that gb Then Eden is going to jail me, I won't get a check, I won't die. Not getting a check will definetely put Eden as jailer. I'm done | ||
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On July 16 2014 11:09 Eden1892 wrote: I am town OnceKing is town Poofter is town Robik is town We lynch Artanis/Koshi then Haru/GB if they're somehow still alive after they don't have any protection whatsoever. Got it! I MEAN WHAT?????? | ||
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It makes one of you mafia. If we are saved and can get a check, Eden is mafia. If we are saved but can't get a check, Robik is mafia. Ggwp | ||
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On July 16 2014 11:24 Tehpoofter wrote: yeah i really cant see a reason they switch off town to kill mafia they can claim stubborn. Eden need a trophy for the most inconsistent reads of all time | ||
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On July 16 2014 11:30 Eden1892 wrote: proudly accept this mothafuckin trophy townies should never have consistent reads I laughed. For once I thought you were going to vote even the mods | ||
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On July 16 2014 11:40 Eden1892 wrote: but im confirmed town ive been saying it since d1 dude its so tru ok friends lets look at dis shit. we arent actually lynching harubear ever LOL i made that up le rxn test!! xdddddddd onceking and i are confirmed town. so we lynch into 3 people with 2 lynches... robik, artanis, poofter i feel like poofter and robik are both town and i don't like how lackadaisical artanis was at EOD here, i know he checked in last-minute and couldn't truly catch up and GET INTO IT but he literally was like "lol this lynch is ok i guess??" which is meh You have claimed vt and now claimed jail keeper. What are you? | ||
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On July 16 2014 11:59 OnceKing wrote: 1. eden me poof. basically poof shit town all across the azure skies, eden and i were like yo... poof looks hella town. then eden was like lets kill rayn and i was like ok lets kill rayn. then several pages of capslock later harubear lynched rayn. 2. replacing exo curious question you're in tx huh? where do you work so that your hours are so weird lol Not a gentleman's question to a stripper | ||
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On July 16 2014 21:22 Koshi wrote: Am I too late to claim doc? Lol game is over guys, everybody left is blue ggwp | ||
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Thx! Pin-up play style. Keeping the excitement alive. It was fun to watch poof almost losing his mind | ||
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On July 16 2014 23:04 IAmRobik wrote: I fakeclaimed I thought the possibility of you fake claiming while being vt was remote. Guess I was wrong. Lol that was good. I love the end game flavour | ||
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On July 16 2014 23:29 HaruRH wrote: GlowingBear 07-15-2014 09:24 PM ET (US) I'm waiting until the very last moment to change my vote on Rayn, just so you know Glowingbear top mvp HAHAHAHAHA it was so funny to see poof saying "OHMERGERD TAKE YOUR VOTE FROM ME" and I'm just "nope. Nope nope nope". Although later I decided to lynch him but you said we should really lynch Rayn. Then I so voted if you check thread lol. It was really good to hydra with you Haru!! | ||
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On July 16 2014 23:35 GlowingBear wrote: HAHAHAHAHA it was so funny to see poof saying "OHMERGERD TAKE YOUR VOTE FROM ME" and I'm just "nope. Nope nope nope". Although later I decided to lynch him but you said we should really lynch Rayn. Then I so voted if you check thread lol. It was really good to hydra with you Haru!! Autocorrect made my last paragraph look completely engrish. It was meant to be "then I also voted, you can check vote thread" Edit: and I forgot it is okay to edit | ||
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On July 16 2014 23:47 Koshi wrote: pls gooby. Eden got you lynched. On his own. He is like Koshi jr. But he did it on a scum rayn. I only get town rayn lynched. I think I should stop making big posts. This clearly shows my cases were completely ignored. Btw, what is smashboard? And kita, can you give me tips on the way I've played this game? | ||
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On July 16 2014 23:59 HaruRH wrote: I think you did quite well tbh. If you were alone, you won't be lynched. But your problem comes when your other head is someone who 'tried to act scummy but became too scummy'. I dragged you down this game, sorry! That's not true, I think that you did very smart moves. Poof hard push made me look terrible and Artanis jumped on the wagon quickly. Then once king. No questions asked. And actually your cop claim was crucial for the results, I would have waited more and it could be too late! | ||
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On July 17 2014 00:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: GlowingBear it looked like you made up stuff on the fly (Haru's comments on D1 didn't really help ^^) and you were insecure of giving "hard" reads. When i read your D1 posts, what i saw was "someone is scum because they act nice".....?!?!? Then you voted for me. Except that you should have also called Palmar scum because he made the same case i did. In fact Palmar should have been more scummy because he was "nice" (for not voting - which you later on called OTHER team out for). Just try to be more confident. There is nothing scummy in being wrong. People are wrong as town all the time. Thanks, Rayn! that "being nice" reasoning is the one I got from my last game. I guess it's a good way to find scum but it sucks as primary argument. This game was really a lesson. | ||
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The downside is that it gets much more meta focused, and that's not good for newbies because that's just impression on someone vets are used to play. It does not make us evolve as a player, it only gives us experience regarding the vets. We evolve our "vets reading" but not evolve "game playing". I don't know if I am clear here... | ||
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On July 17 2014 00:35 kitaman27 wrote: @GlowingBear Careful about discussing too much policy early on. You comment about the Kenpachi rule multiple times, scum hunting vs town hunting several times, and whatever the "chupazi rule" is. Scum players had the opportunity of attacking you for lacking a opinions. Your first read came late into the first day. I know it's tough to scum hunt early on, but try to provide opinions whenever you can to be a bit more transparent. In your first legitimate post, you identified four targets you were suspicious of, all of which were town. Maybe go back and reflect on what you misinterpreted there. I also think you spent a bit too much effort defending yourself early on in the game, rather than providing content that could be used to lynch mafia. Explaining why you are town to a mafia slender doesn't accomplish much and by the time you finished, it seems like you didn't have time for anything else. At one point, you share your mafia read on slender and later rayn. However, it took someone asking you about this first. If you have a mafia read, share it with the thread, explain your thought process, and follow through with it. If your case is being ignored, call specific indviduals out to evaluate your points and explain why they agree or disagree. I really liked how you guys swapped to rayn/slender at the end because he was your strongest read, rather than lynching poofter for the sake of the check. Obviously, you don't want to every claim parity cop if you don't have to since you don't know about a protective role. The mafia obviously played a role in pushing your lynch, but try to identify why certain townies were voting for you and what you could have done different earlier on. Overall you played pretty well though. In most cases, effort is king and you did pretty well on that front. Thank you, kita! Very insightful. I'm going to check my misinterpretations. | ||
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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
On July 17 2014 00:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: I get your points and i think you are right. Basically if you want to "learn" on what to look for and how to post or scumhunt on D1 you can shadow me in the Twitterverse Mini Mafia (in case Blazinghand allows that). You follow the game, we would have a QT and i tell you why i think someone is mafia and why i post what i do. It doesn't even matter if i am town or mafia because i tend to post quite similarly on D1. Ignore robik because i do all of those things as both alignments and that's not really behavioural analysis. I'd love to do that! I'm going to pm him. @marv: thanks! I'm loving playing this game and I'll definetely play more. I'll wait for the next newbie game (I think I should play those 4 before jumping into vets games) | ||
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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
What I think that cannot happen is posting series of NSFAnything images on a game like this. I'm playing mafia, not surfing on /b/. Anyway slam, if you get this mad for a game and you have conditions, you shouldn't play it. It's not healthy for you. And for the message you dropped on the obs qt, I'd never joke about conditions. And I didn't. You guys can't get me pissed for anything while in the game. The only thing that get me on my nerves is that kind of attitude. But anyway slam, I loved the game you hosted and you were a great host. Know that I'm not writing this out of anger or towards you. I'm writing against that attitude. I am willing to play with you, I just don't want that kind of attitude anymore and for what people said you are not like that, never. So... I'm okay with it | ||
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