On July 12 2014 23:06 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2014 23:01 mderg wrote:On July 12 2014 22:40 HaruRH wrote:On July 12 2014 22:15 mderg wrote:I like lynching Team WeDemandALawyer much more than lynching Team Cabernet Sauvignon. I didn´t like GlowingBears contribution regarding the kenpachi rule. It was actually saying very little besides that it shouldn´t be discussed much. Seemed like a political type of post without any conclusion. On July 11 2014 12:38 GlowingBear wrote:
Kenpachi rule doesn't sound as a winning plan to me. You may use it as a secondary argument but to get to the point you have a primary one there is so much game to be played. I think that if we keep discussing this topic it will just a waste of breath.
Why do I think it's secondary: a scum can fake claim vt just so he can get townie to accuse him and get mislynched. More than that, a vt can simply try to pressure someone who claimed vt. Why not?
-WeDemandALawyer: Haru and Glowingbear Haru´s defense of GlowingBear also didn´t really help. While I don´t think that defending your partner is alignment indicative in any way it was unclear for me what they discussed about the kenpachi rule in their quicktopic. What I don´t like about Haru are his townreads for questionable reasons. "palmer is confirmed town for saying he is confirmed town" just makes no sense. I as townie do not townread others for saying that they are town (Robik  ). I also don´t understand why he townread Robik here On July 12 2014 00:34 HaruRH wrote:On July 12 2014 00:32 IAmRobik wrote:On July 12 2014 00:28 OnceKing wrote:On July 11 2014 14:31 OnceKing wrote:On July 11 2014 12:38 Stratiform wrote:On July 11 2014 12:28 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Stratiform, I've never seen you before or played with you before.
Do you play here on TL often?
How familiar are you with the game mafia?
What is your take on the game so far? I've never played on TL, only irl and some facebook based games. I'm familiar with how mafia works. As for the game so far, I don't really see any information to cast more than suspicion on anyone. Fun question What merits casting more than suspicion then And who is your suspicion cast upon So I go to sleep and I wake up and this question still isn't answered... Stratiform pls -- Robik can you tell me what bunnies/poof have done that's scummy other than "they disagree with each other"? Alternately can you explain why disagreeing with your teammate is alignment indicative? I don't know. The only thing that really bothers me strongly is that they have differing reads based off of my previous experience with playing as a hydra and the two heads expressing differing reads -- it also happened in my first game with rayn and mocsta expressing different reads. So both hydras that I've played with that were mafia had different reads. The one hydra that I played with that had the same reads (mattisfoolish) had the same reads. it also MINORLY bothers me that bunnies is trying to push scum on me because I'm town, so that's pushing an anti-town agenda I was waiting for you to say that robik Top town Nothing in that Robik post stands out as town to me. There´s also no explanation for that read, so I see it as buddying with Robik. We all know that being on Robik´s good side makes things much easier. I´d say it was a calculated move. It´s also difficult to understand how they´re individually reading other players here. After these posts I have no idea how Haru is reading Robik and Exo anymore. While GlowingBear is supposedly scumreading them. On July 12 2014 19:16 HaruRH wrote:On July 12 2014 18:54 marvellosity wrote:I'm at my best friend's wedding today, so I'm leaving things in mderg's capable hands. He's probably going to make the final decision, not sure if/when I'll be able to check my phone. Few things I noted, mebbe they're useful or will be, maybe not. With slam/sqrt, check how easy the wagon is, I don't see any pushback for the lynch. I don't really get this weird martyring behaviour from a team of 2, you'd expect at least one of them to prop up the other. I don't know what that means. They're both unstable? Or it's a ploy? ?? I'm not used to Slam insulting the thread like this. That doesn't make me feel good. I'm tentatively ok with this lynch but with reservations I guess. Stratiform doesn't look quite so bad. Not sure about Palmar. Not gonna be around to judge him on today's play so meh. Poofter didn't bother playing. Many scumpoints. I've felt ok about bunnies, but Poofter dragging her down. Probably not lynch but I don't trust. Right now I like Haru/Glowing for mafia most. On July 12 2014 14:29 GlowingBear wrote:
So, for what I read until now, I have three main targets I want to read more: ExO, Robik and Eden. I'll filter dive them tomorrow, as I didn't have energy enough even to read through 50 long pages.
I have a stronger hunch on sqrt/alakaslam, as a lot of people were saying here.
Why these guys? Because my way of scumhunting is going through passivity and too much friendly behavior. Going against people there were being quite and being friendly was my best bet on my first game and when I did that most of my readings got the right guys.
On July 12 2014 15:29 GlowingBear wrote:
But I didn't said that... geez...
I had suspicions on you, which doesn't mean you're necessarily suspicious of overly friendly behavior or passivity... that's why I'll filter dive you, so I can get a better view of what gave me the feeling that you were suspicious.
My main scumhunting is attacking passivity/friendly behavior. It's not may only scumhunting method.
Throws in random names (Robik, ExO, Eden) and a couple of times states that he scumhunts through passivity and friendly behaviour. These 3 names don't make much (any?) sense in this context. Robik the most abrasive of them all, Eden has been active, ExO's argued his corner firmly enough. His description of what he's looking for -> these 3 names doesn't seem natural to me. He brings up Robik as suspicious again in a later post but again never explains why, again it is the opposite of what he's looking for in mafia. sqrt/Slam may have been passive to some extent maybe? They've been quite prickly too. There seems to be a whole bunch of other targets that conform to his self-professed view. Basically I find the 3 names he throws in, together with his self-styled description of scumhunting, together with how he introduced sqrt/slam as scummy after that, very suspicious indeed. My best bet for mafia right now. Really? From what I read, robik is playing weird at first. He isn't coming into the thread and turning it into a shitstorm. This is acceptable at first since he noted his intent to let exo learn. Also, his strong will to kill anyone who thinks he is scum (town|robik does this) makes me think he is scum. But glowingbear probably doesn't meta read him and thus it is also acceptable for glowingbear to have a suspicion on him. Glowingbear isn't just throwing out names. We had discussed about these people in the qt and my opinions differs from glowing's in these regards. Thus, glowingbear isnt just writing them off as scum as I have a conflicting opinion.Exo doesn't post jackshit d1 as town btw. eden doesn't make sense? Read the thread bro Sqrt/slam IS passive. Their posts were mostly replies and shit. So glowingbear is scum for saying he wants to scumhunt through passivity, but others who aren't doing shit isn't suspicious? (LIKE MDERG) On July 12 2014 19:31 HaruRH wrote:On July 12 2014 19:25 Eden1892 wrote:On July 12 2014 19:23 HaruRH wrote:On July 12 2014 19:19 Eden1892 wrote:
haru can you restate that for me? i straight up don't understand how your responses match up with what marv is saying Marv says robik, exo, eden are just names glowingbear threw in I reply with how robik, exo and eden have been playing scummy this didn't actually happen, you gave an explanation of how robik might have been shady to someone with no meta experience and then just handwaved the rest/didn't explain it What the fuck I explained that exo doesn't post jackshit as town on d1 He literally posts close to nothing That giant read post of his is inherently scummy due to ^ Glowingbear have not posted his long wall of read yet, be patient. Also to note is that GlowingBear has quite a few posts mentioning not being there or why he´s posting slowly. + Show Spoiler +On July 11 2014 12:51 GlowingBear wrote:@sinani: I'm using a mobile and also working writing a novel, so I'm pretty slow ATM lol. Show nested quote +On July 11 2014 12:41 27ninjabunnies wrote:On July 11 2014 12:38 GlowingBear wrote:
Kenpachi rule doesn't sound as a winning plan to me. You may use it as a secondary argument but to get to the point you have a primary one there is so much game to be played. I think that if we keep discussing this topic it will just a waste of breath.
Why do I think it's secondary: a scum can fake claim vt just so he can get townie to accuse him and get mislynched. More than that, a vt can simply try to pressure someone who claimed vt. Why not?
-WeDemandALawyer: Haru and Glowingbear I like this post. Townie points. Btw: How happy are you with your team name this game? Do you need to call a lawyer? The"Double"D I love my team name! Everybody needs lawyers, regardless their actions. Someone most protect both victims and perpetrators. And I'm here for that! You can use my services by calling 87879-6969. (Not a real number) -WeDemandALawyer: Haru and GlowingBear On July 12 2014 01:42 GlowingBear wrote:
Or put the grapes on spoiler :p
Ok I think we have enough posts to make a case. When I get home, I'll reach my computer and do what I do best: filter diving. Then I'm going to bring cases. Expect a big post in around 4 hours since now.
Before I go, I must also say that focusing "townhunting" is worse than "scum hunting" in my opinion, because it gets easier to a scum to blend in your town circle and doesn't help to do a good lynch on day1, as you are going to choose who to lynch based on someone you just don't have a strong town read instead of lynching someone you have a strong scumread. On July 12 2014 07:41 GlowingBear wrote:
OMG just got back home and BOOM 45 pages to read.
Gonna take a shower, skim through the pages, filter dive my strongest scum read and give a case. Then, if I get enough energy, I'll filter dive other people's scum reads to give my opinion.
God, it will take a while.
-WeDemandALawyer: Haru and GlowingBear On July 12 2014 14:29 GlowingBear wrote:Ok, I've read enough. I really can't read more right now, I tried to analyze every single page and it seems my head can't absorb that much information. I started to write a summary on what was going on but I've got no more energy to do. It's incomplete, but I will leave it here in case someone finds it useful: Half-ass summary: + Show Spoiler +
A) Game started with Eden claiming VT. Tehpoofter questioned it (indirectly btw). Got a wagon on him because of Kenpachi Rule policy. Bunnies and Eden started a discussion about the kenpachi rule and about Bunnies writing nonsense.
B) Robik posted about getting on the backseat while ExO would take the main point of his team. Got wagoned when Eden decided that this and Robik's vt claim was suspicious.
C) Rayn accused Eden's and tehpoofter's posts of being the worst of the thread. It can be viewed at page 22 as quoted by Ede. This is the game while on page 22.
D) marv/mderg starts posting at page 23 right after Exo express his will to hear about them.
E) Eden is questioned by marv and palmer for his vt claim. Eden insists in his vt claim. This is around page 24.
F) Palmar scumreads my posts because he thinks it was filled with fluff and unhelpful, then voted on me and Haru. Page 26.
G) Rayn decides to vote on me and Haru assuming that Haru was writing useless stuff when defending Palmar's push on me. 26-27
H) Robik posted and people got on him again, inquiring about his back seat attitude and his vt claim.
I) 32 - 36: sqrt starts giving reads on everybody, mostly null or town reads, except for Palmar because... he didn't confirm? o.O. People start to pressure him.
So, for what I read until now, I have three main targets I want to read more: ExO, Robik and Eden. I'll filter dive them tomorrow, as I didn't have energy enough even to read through 50 long pages. I have a stronger hunch on sqrt/alakaslam, as a lot of people were saying here. Why these guys? Because my way of scumhunting is going through passivity and too much friendly behavior. Going against people there were being quite and being friendly was my best bet on my first game and when I did that most of my readings got the right guys. I see this signals on sqrt's posts, mostly. Check out these quotes: sqrt's friendly quotes: + Show Spoiler +On July 12 2014 00:52 sqrtofneg1 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2014 11:47 GlowingBear wrote:
/confirm
Hello guys, it's my second game here.
It seems that there is a ruckus going on already. Can someone explain me what Is the Kenpachi rule?
Also, I'll be signing every post of mine with a bolded "-WeDemandALawyer: Haru and GlowingBear" so it gets easier to identify the team.
-WeDemandALawyer: Haru and GlowingBear First post that catches my eye. This team is leaning town. First team to get a signature. On July 12 2014 00:55 sqrtofneg1 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2014 13:00 OnceKing wrote:
i also think we should evaluate each person individually independent of who their other half is.
This may come to prove important. On July 12 2014 01:01 sqrtofneg1 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2014 19:33 Eden1892 wrote:On July 11 2014 19:30 mderg wrote:On July 11 2014 19:26 Eden1892 wrote:On July 11 2014 18:50 marvellosity wrote:
I think I'm going to ignore Eden, dunno if he posts like a stupid kid for a particular reason, but it makes him look like a stupid kid and it's annoying to read his posts with terrible english. why would you ignore a confirmed townie? very sketchy play imo The last time I remember someone saying that he was confirmed townie he was actually scum. the last time I had a grilled cheese sandwich for dinner I got laid by a hot Russian chick later that night Eden is town. Last time I played with Eden, he was mafia, and he wasn't joking around like this. He came down hard on people. ![[image loading]](http://www.banfiwines.com/wp-content/uploads/cabernet-sauvignon-670x390.jpg) On July 12 2014 01:20 sqrtofneg1 wrote:Okay, rayn is first on my list. Town. Like I pointed out, this is an excellent post. Show nested quote +On July 11 2014 22:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also this is from my notes regarding my earlier post:
I felt like Eden is running out of arguments after the Kenpachi gambit. After the stuff he said does not sell to people he soft-calls out poofer for something really awful.
Also poofer's post was bad because this is not a normal hydra game and reading two people as one is a bad strategy, if someone is scummy they are likely to be scum. It does not matter how townie the other half looks.
Let's see if Palmar is paying attention to the game. He should most likely say these things in case he is town. On July 12 2014 01:24 sqrtofneg1 wrote:Haru is definitely strange. He is not acting like in previous games. I don't like him. His partner, Glowingbear, however, I do like. This: Show nested quote +On July 12 2014 00:19 GlowingBear wrote:On July 11 2014 21:28 Palmar wrote:Actually, I'm going to do this: ##Unvote
##Vote Team WeDemandALawyerThe reasons: 1. They both seemed excited to play pre-game, but haven't posted anything of value. 2. This post On July 11 2014 11:47 GlowingBear wrote:
/confirm
Hello guys, it's my second game here.
It seems that there is a ruckus going on already. Can someone explain me what Is the Kenpachi rule?
Also, I'll be signing every post of mine with a bolded "-WeDemandALawyer: Haru and GlowingBear" so it gets easier to identify the team.
-WeDemandALawyer: Haru and GlowingBear Specifically the bolded sentence feels like massively useless fluff observation. 3. This post On July 11 2014 12:38 GlowingBear wrote:
Kenpachi rule doesn't sound as a winning plan to me. You may use it as a secondary argument but to get to the point you have a primary one there is so much game to be played. I think that if we keep discussing this topic it will just a waste of breath.
Why do I think it's secondary: a scum can fake claim vt just so he can get townie to accuse him and get mislynched. More than that, a vt can simply try to pressure someone who claimed vt. Why not?
-WeDemandALawyer: Haru and Glowingbear Talking about stuff that is really easy to talk about without giving any sort of an opinion on anyone in the game. I think it was sinani who pointed out that this post also came at a really awkward time, after people had mostly dropped the kenpachi thing. 3. This post On July 11 2014 19:59 HaruRH wrote:
/confirm
Robik is going to be afk? But exo is a d1 non-poster too...
Meh
-WeDemandALawyer: Haru and GlowingBear
I like the summary of his opinion on the issue. "Meh". 1) Being excited =\= spamming. More than that, I wasn't posting anymore because I was sleeping. Different time zones hooray. I'm excited and I'm reading through everything but if you think not giving a opinion on someone is scummy, I'll say that giving free useless opinions on everyone is scummy. As I didn't know at the time what the Kenpachi rule was and as I said we needed more game to have a primary argument, I think it's pretty reasonable to just point out useless effort and wait to have more food to make a case, probably around midday. 2)Pointint out that I didn't know exactly what was happening because I didn't know the meaning of Kenpachi rule. How can I understand a fight if I can not understand the language? I think the team name bolding is very good so we can give a better analysis while diving through the topic. 3) See point 1. Also, I don't think it was unnecessary post as we were wasting breath on a useless subject by the moment, and I find scummy people who just spam things about useless objects, so town loses time and focus. It has already stopped, well, yes, but to the point you would say that I pratically necrobumped it? Check the post times or the distance between my post and the last "Kenpachi rule" post. It's less than a page. More: why would I bring the discussion back just to say "let's not discuss this"? If it was a misleading topic and I were scum, shouldn't I just keep the topic going on saying something like "oh we have to use this policy because of X"? Is a good post. Decent logic here. Overall, I'm on the fence with these guys.Haru, a question for you. Show nested quote +On July 12 2014 00:34 HaruRH wrote:On July 12 2014 00:32 IAmRobik wrote:On July 12 2014 00:28 OnceKing wrote:On July 11 2014 14:31 OnceKing wrote:On July 11 2014 12:38 Stratiform wrote:On July 11 2014 12:28 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Stratiform, I've never seen you before or played with you before.
Do you play here on TL often?
How familiar are you with the game mafia?
What is your take on the game so far? I've never played on TL, only irl and some facebook based games. I'm familiar with how mafia works. As for the game so far, I don't really see any information to cast more than suspicion on anyone. Fun question What merits casting more than suspicion then And who is your suspicion cast upon So I go to sleep and I wake up and this question still isn't answered... Stratiform pls -- Robik can you tell me what bunnies/poof have done that's scummy other than "they disagree with each other"? Alternately can you explain why disagreeing with your teammate is alignment indicative? I don't know. The only thing that really bothers me strongly is that they have differing reads based off of my previous experience with playing as a hydra and the two heads expressing differing reads -- it also happened in my first game with rayn and mocsta expressing different reads. So both hydras that I've played with that were mafia had different reads. The one hydra that I played with that had the same reads (mattisfoolish) had the same reads. it also MINORLY bothers me that bunnies is trying to push scum on me because I'm town, so that's pushing an anti-town agenda I was waiting for you to say that robik Top town Why were you waiting for robik to say this? On July 12 2014 01:27 sqrtofneg1 wrote:Tehpoofter hasn't done much. No read on him.Bunnies, however, has talked alot. A lot lot. Bunnies isn't as helpful as in other games, to the best of my memory. She's not questioning anything, not pushing people, I don't like it. But I don't think we should lynch them because you usually don't lynch the most outspoken player, even if they're not posting all that useful stuff. Bunnies, any particular reason for not scumhunting? On July 12 2014 01:33 sqrtofneg1 wrote:Ray + tambo hasn't talked yet. No read. I've bolded most of his reads. He looks like he does not want to "get into the battlefield", mostly giving free townreads to people. What mostly bothers me: just one-liners. He made a push on Palmar, though: sqrt's vote on Palmar's: + Show Spoiler +On July 12 2014 01:31 sqrtofneg1 wrote:I do not like palmar. (this seems to be a trend) He hasn't /confirmed yet. First post: And then does nothing for a significant amount of time. Also this is not the palmar I saw when I played him. He was more analytical, more smart that game. This game, not so much. Stratiform, I don't have a clue. But this is my best read so far. They're mafia. ##Vote: Team Magic Computer Howerever, there is no strong argument to justify a lynch, as there is no strong argument to justify his townreads. If you check his filters, you will find tiny posts with little information and reasoning behind. It just looks like he is trying to look like he is contributing, but not contributing at all. But if he is scum, I'd better check Alakaslam also, because they are a team. If you filter dive him, you're going to find posts with no much useful information. Like this one: Hi Post from Alakaslam: + Show Spoiler +On July 11 2014 23:13 Alakaslam wrote:Well Hi So, although I'm not sure if alakaslam is not contributing more because he, at the time, didn't have enough food on anybody, and although he doesn't have an overly friendly behavior like sqrt, this lack of contribution fits sqrt's attitude until now. Slam gotta do better to change my vote. GlowingBear gives a scumread on Team Cabernet Sauvignon, the main point being that sqrt is not giving strong reads. (Note: at this point Team Cabernet Sauvignon is already under heavy pressure) So you can´t call this "going out on the battlefield". (complete case spoilered above) Overall they look pretty bad. There´s not that much behind their posts and the townreads feel like they´re given for free while the scumreads are OMGUS on rayn which is easy to get out of because it´s "just" OMGUS and an easy scumread on Team Cabernet Sauvignon (mostly sqrt). ##vote Team WeDemandALawyer HAHAHAH mderg I don't want to call this read bad, but I have to you chalk everything up as 'I dont know what they're doing so I ASSUME they are doing xyz....' you're making an ASS our of U and ME. So bad. So you don't know why I townread robik, so you're going to ASSUME I did it to buddy him? Oh god no. Neither does buddying robik makes this game easy. Last game, you did the same shit and assumed but you flipped town, so i'm a bit hesitant to call you scum for trying to do this. if you don't know why anyone did anything, ASK. Don't ASSUME. Making a case out of assumptions only make you look bad. 'HALU CALLS PALMER TOWN FOR CALLING HIMSELF TOWN HURR 100% SKUM' 'I NO UNDERSTANDS HALU TOWNLEAD LOBIK 100% SKUM' 'OVERALL LOOK BAD BECUZ TOWNLEAD LOOKS BAD LEL' 'SKUMLEADS BAD CUZ OMGUS LEL' 'SO I VOTE DEM LEL' (ps. I apologise if you cannot stomache this, but I'm pissed that mderg is doing this.Very pissed.) This is completely different from that last game. I won´t discuss anything about that game since it is still going on. There was exactly one point were I assumed what your intentions were. That was the townread on Robik. Buddying Robik has a good chance of making the game easier. If he likes you, there´s a good chance that it becomes harder to push you because of him. I don´t appreciate your aggressive tone and I don´t think that it makes you look better. I don't appreciate your bad read either. That's it, I'm done talking with you. For any other inquiries, contact my lawyer, glowingbear. Just to appease your sad assumption, I'll post the logic behind the 'weird read' on robik.
I just read this. I can't believe mderp thinks this considering two games in a row now I wasn't able to save my 10000002421905% town read d1.
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