EPTY'all know we caught rayn and artanis without pr right? I get that they helped out but it's not like we rode blue dix to victory like in Avatar
Well I guess they rode MY blue dick but that's different
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Eden1892
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Y'all know we caught rayn and artanis without pr right? I get that they helped out but it's not like we rode blue dix to victory like in Avatar Well I guess they rode MY blue dick but that's different | ||
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Idgaf about meta | ||
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On July 16 2014 23:26 marvellosity wrote: Onceking had approximately 0% chance of being hit. Shrug Not knowing %s I went for max payout which = protect best town read The Plays | ||
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On July 16 2014 23:30 marvellosity wrote: You can work out likelihoods though. That's what makes a good blue. You made a protect which had very little chance of making a save. You can carry on thinking that protecting your top townread is the correct play though. With no meta knowledge to speak of? Not really, even if I just tried to random pick a vet, I saw all the vets snoozing thru d1 and saved a guy I felt sure was town instead | ||
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What do y'all consider optimal save strat? My reason for top town read is I assume I won't outguess the mafia and try to create best floor which is "ensure top town read safe" | ||
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I guess we disagree on who was best assets then. I felt OK was best asset too tbh. Maybe I misread/got tunnel but I felt like we were by far doing the most work itt | ||
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Thanks for handing me the game on a platter rayn I appreciate you carrying me out of the kindness of Ur haert. U R an inspiration. The Catholic Church should make U a saint. U R So Nice 2 Give Game 2 Us Unworthy Town Plebs. <3 | ||
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I'm cool with u guys & would play again v soon. When's the next game? | ||
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I think this would be great for newbie games, prolly better than coaching tbh. Tweak balance mebbe as needed but core mechanic is good imo | ||
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Pulling from what Blazinghand said at the end of Detention Mafia: On June 11 2014 05:36 Blazinghand wrote: Whenever you lynch someone and they flip town, you have two options. You either say that you need to re-evaluate how you make scumreads, either in general or on this guy in particular, or you say that him flipping town is acceptable. There is no other option. So, you can say, "given the way Palmar played, I will always lynch that kind of play, and I don't care if it hits town or not, this is a policy of mine." This way, the fact that he flipped town is irrelevant, you were lynching because you're trying to deter that kind of play, or because 90% of the time it's right and this one is just in the 10%, and it's impossible to refine your reads on that 10% of failures. You're willing to lynch town, and you will use this heuristic KNOWING it will lynch town. Or, you can say "i need to refine my heuristic. It was acceptable before, or it was acceptable in other formats of this game, or other, related games, but it didn't work this time. What can I do to be better?" This way, next time this happens you know how to identify town. Now, maybe this is perfectly fakeable by scum so you end up doing the same thing, but you are at least open to becoming better/smarter. What's not an acceptable option is to blame Palmar for flipping town, and claim your heuristic is good because it catches scum. The fact of the matter is, whatever you did lynched a townie. You either have to admit that lynching townies sometimes is part of the plan, or you have to come up with a new plan. Maybe Palmar is an idiot and there's no way to avoid lynching him when he's town; if that's the case, say that. The heuristics that I used in lynching your slot -- "scum are significantly more likely to make posts like the one sqrt did that I called out" and "scum are significantly more likely to react in a nonconstructive way and spam the thread like Slam did" and "scum are significantly more likely to throw out reads under fire that don't make sense and refuse to explain them, like both players did" -- are, in my experience, right much more than they are wrong. I am comfortable with the success rate of my lynches and don't see a realistic option to improve them. Sometimes they're wrong and I lynch a townie anyway. Shit happens. I'm sorry you ended up on the wrong end of the noose this go-round, but I stand by the process I used in lynching you, even though in this circumstance it didn't end in the way either of us wanted it to end. | ||
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There's a lot of other stuff in there that would take a while to address; suffice to say that I did ask plenty of non-loaded questions prior to my joking prods about the scum QT, and plenty of them afterwards, as well. If you want to talk about them in more detail we can, but for the moment I'll respect your desire not to discuss it and simply agree to disagree. Also if we're talking bans, I know I'm super late to the party, but if Slam was banned for posting NSFW images I strongly oppose that and would request that he be reinstated. It wasn't a big enough deal to warrant any punitive action and I'm kinda disappointed to hear that such action was taken -- I just wanted it to desist since I was at work at the time and panicked a little bit when stuff that would make my boss freak out popped up. Sorry if I overreacted to it in the thread. Haru, I'm not really sure what to tell you honestly. I regret using as strong language as I used to make my point, but I stand by the point being made -- you were entirely unconvincing when you spent the whole game getting mad at people who disagreed with you and yelling at them like that was going to change their minds. You certainly dished it back before and after I made my comment. I've chalked them up to heat-of-the-moment angry insults you didn't actually mean, and I'd be happy to play another game with you. You're welcome to do what you like from here; I hope you'll accept my apology for the unnecessarily strong attack I made on you and that we can bury the hatchet. Alternatively you can stay mad if that's what you prefer. Maybe talk to Cavalinho and commiserate, he still hates my guts for... hah, pushing a lynch on him as the parity cop, how about that. That's funny. Anyway sorry for pissing y'all off, I mean no harm and feel bad for ruining your experiences with this game. | ||
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To clarify, I don't think either you or Robik are terrible, far from it, and I never did think that. I just found what you were doing absolutely unconvincing and wanted to say that strongly enough to get that message across. I oversold it a lot, and I'm sorry for that. I alluded to the concept behind what I was doing in my QT with goodkarma with something I said to Robik at the beginning of the first day. Y'all seem to have a similar style to me, and I know that when comments like "you're terrible at this game" are thrown at me I get into mad prove-them-wrong mode and step up my game. So I figured I'd give a strong prod like that to see if you would respond similarly. You did, but as it turns out there was a good reason for what seemed like shady play, and I made you mad enough to claim, which was obviously a horrible mistake on my part. When I said "I stand by that decision" I'm referring to calling you out, and in retrospect it was just not a good play and not something I should have done. I disagree with this part: I just hope you realise everyone is smart enough in these mafia games to know what to do. Nobody is bullshitting for no reason - they have their own reasons. You don't just chalk everything up as 'bad play' and show them face. Not to say that not everyone is smart, of course people know what to do. But all players will get lazy, or mad, or otherwise play suboptimally unintentionally, and so there's certainly a purpose for calling that out; you just have to be careful in doing it to get a constructive response. I obviously wasn't careful about it at all and screwed the pooch pretty bad, and I'm sorry for that. I hope that makes sense. Again I didn't and don't think you're bad at all, I just said it and said it strongly because I felt like something was off about your game, and ended up making a big fool of myself in the process. I'm confused by one thing you said though... Also remember that you cannot regret doing something since it is already done. I don't understand how you're using the word regret here. Regret necessarily entails an action you've already taken; it's the pain associated with realizing you made a big mistake in how you acted in the past. What do you mean by this sentence? | ||
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@Haru, that's interesting. I guess I'm still not following. I do regret the language I used in making my point, along with even making the point at all. I'm sorry for using it and sorry for hurting you. Perhaps that's a better way of putting it rather than talking about regretting it or not? | ||
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and secondly, I don't wholly agree. if someone's hurt, it's tone-deaf and inconsiderate to handwave it with arguments that boil down to "it's just a game." the right thing to do if you hurt someone in-game is to apologize for it and explain yourself. even if getting overly aggressive or rude leads to better results for you (and at least with the aggression part, I'm a poster child for aggression = better results; I play terribly when I'm not aggressive), you have to take responsibility for the fact that you can hurt someone and, if you did, own it, apologize for it and try to rectify it | ||
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