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On July 09 2014 04:16 mderg wrote:
After reading some of the discussion about forumite I don´t think he is scum. His reason for townreading prplhz is too incomprehensible to come from mafia. As mafia I would always try to find a reason others might agree with over something like this strange meta reason.
Your only post WITHOUT using someone else's material through replying/agreeing to posts is this post. Which is one of the first few posts you made this game.
If you're still puzzled on what to do in order to formulate a scumread:
1) Get a few scumreads (yamato/forumite/whatever) and talk about them WITHOUT saying things like 'yea I agree with this post so xxx is scummy etc'
2) Stop being wishy washy. Don't give us stuff like 'MAYBE he is scum/PROBABLY scum/MIGHT be scum'
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On July 11 2014 02:54 Corazon wrote:
Yo Vivax, I would've shot Robik but he didnt vote for Iamp so...
stop being useless and matyring
Tell us who you think are scum so that when you die, we can lynch them
Or make us believe you aren't scum by posting what you think others did more scummy
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I don't even care anymore if you refuse to reply/read other's reads
I just want to see what you have in your mind now
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On July 11 2014 02:50 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2014 02:47 Vivax wrote:On July 11 2014 01:32 HaruRH wrote:On July 10 2014 23:55 Vivax wrote:
I feel mderg has a good chance of being scum cause he posts very reactively and then mostly to discuss townreads with people or antagonize them about their scumreads.
Just from his filter I have a hard time telling who he's scumreading, or seeing that he has the intention to.
I'm more keen on lynching him than Cora atm. In fact I'd prefer if we didn't lynch Cora cause I can think of a few townie things in his filter, will elaborate if I see the need.
Will be less active in this game for a bit, don't rush it till I get to read some more please, especially the information around Obi. elaborate Mainly for the activity thingy where he decided to give leeway to iamp but not to Robik, I couldn't really see the scum agenda behind it. But thinking it through twice then that makes his iamp hammer even more illogical, so I'm taking that back, it was rash. I have a hard time believing that he was the guy who shot Obi: On July 10 2014 03:23 Corazon wrote:On July 10 2014 03:20 IAmRobik wrote:On July 10 2014 02:41 Corazon wrote:
Fuck it, Robik's just playing like an idiot.
I'll just fucking ignore everything he says and look for other lynch targets. It's pretty obvious that no one wants him lynched but me and we need a majority so...
##unvote: Robik
##Vote: Iamp[/B[ WHO'S PLAYING LIKE AN IDIOT NOW!??!?!?!? Please just do everyone a favor and shut the fuck up. You're just spewing out the stupidest shit ever just so people can read you as town. [b]Someone vig this idiot, please. Now he comes in with a claim that's supposed to save his ass, but then still martyrs even though he should have an entirely different attitude if he actually just shot scum. I would like the guy who shot Obi to claim cause I don't believe this guy. I don't believe that vig only have 1 shot. Thus it's unwise to ask for a claim now. As for cora, he is just seeking his own grave. Being unable to reply to ANY of the reads posted about him, he is certainly a viable lynch. Now we just need a second/third wagon and we are set. I am going to push Mderg.
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On July 11 2014 03:03 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2014 02:46 HaruRH wrote:On July 11 2014 00:06 mderg wrote:On July 10 2014 23:55 Vivax wrote:
I feel mderg has a good chance of being scum cause he posts very reactively and then mostly to discuss townreads with people or antagonize them about their scumreads.
Just from his filter I have a hard time telling who he's scumreading, or seeing that he has the intention to.
I'm more keen on lynching him than Cora atm. In fact I'd prefer if we didn't lynch Cora cause I can think of a few townie things in his filter, will elaborate if I see the need.
Will be less active in this game for a bit, don't rush it till I get to read some more please, especially the information around Obi. Here are some posts that look like pretty clear scumreading to me: On July 10 2014 19:31 mderg wrote:Reading the conversation between yamato and iamperfect is just awful. I have to check like 5 times every post to see who posted it because they both have an archon as profile pic. On July 09 2014 08:12 yamato77 wrote:
you're not that high on my townlist
I could see lynching you On July 09 2014 08:16 yamato77 wrote:
remember, I nailed you to the wall in catastrophe
I know how to read you I don´t like this by yamato. Keeping options open on iamperfection without a definite read but at the same time bragging about being able to read him. Seems scummy to me. On July 10 2014 08:44 mderg wrote:Some more catching up. On July 08 2014 23:33 Toadesstern wrote:Okay I don't think this answer from forumite fits at all: On July 08 2014 20:52 Forumite wrote:On July 08 2014 00:43 Koshi wrote:On July 08 2014 00:34 Toadesstern wrote:On July 08 2014 00:30 Koshi wrote:On July 08 2014 00:27 Toadesstern wrote:
waitwaitwait. That reasoning is stupid as hell but people use it. I do the same whenever I'm dealing with VE and it works wonders. No problem there and towniepoints for not being afraid to mention something that ridiculous lol.
However, this "strategy" is so odd that he shouldn't be expecting other people to use it as well. He's basicly stating that prplhz is town because he looks slightly scummy. If anything the guy should be gushing over me about how I'm a god at mafia for seeing that but STILL being wrong nonetheless according to him. Right? Yes, he did consider chainsawing you for reading prplhz as scum while he read prplhz as scum. The plot thickings *dum dum dum* exactly. At the same time he has the balls to outright state that for no reason whatsoever. Why would mafia say they were considering to chainsaw me. If this was someone like Marv or me who literally don't give a shit about how weak we post and do it on a regular basis to look like we're ballsy townies fine but this little detail doesn't fit in the picture of forumite being Mafia so far. That's what I meant with, he's not afraid of posting something that ridiculous (for both things). I'm actually fine with forumite for now lol Nha bro, that's not how it works. Mafia doesn't think about why they actually read people. They think about covering themselves if they get called out. Scum doesn't connect the "I can justify reading prplhz for town because my history with him" with "this guy is town because he scumreaded prplhz and I also do that as town". I am not saying it is impossible for scum to do it, but scum is more likely to slip in their reasoning doing these kinda connect reads. mafia more likely thinks "ok, prplhz is town and I can defend him with this meta reason x from past games, I could call the guy who is putting pressure on prplhz scum because he is wrong but let's go after this guy who is posting total nonsense, nobody will think I am off base for calling this guy out, he clearly is doing nothing". You should be proud of your case. It actually shows mafia mindset. This is the post you used to justify sheeping Toades. It´s WIFOM and lies. I never pushed Toades, I knew me not voting for prplhz doesn´t make Toades scum. I said I considered chainsawing him to fit in with my "read" on prplhz, but knowing that prplhz wasn´t really confirmed town to anyone else attacking Toades would have been a stupid thing to do. It´s still taken up as a reason why I´m scummy. Can´t you people read? I just don't see that fitting in with the rest. So he tells me to unvote, without an explanation while KNOWING that the townread on prplhz isn't obvious. And he doesn't try to stop me from voting prplhz either. But still proceeds to mention the read in the first place for no apparent reason and feels the need to tell people that he's smarter than to just chainsaw someone. This all sounds really fishy for me. The realization that a vote/attack on me would look stupid comming from himself. Sure he says it would be a stupid thing to do but well... Add to that that I'm not a fan of giving random townreads out like they're candy when you don't have a reason to do so, because it's the easiest thing in the world for mafia to do to look like they're doing something because they don't even have to lie about it and can later on come back and yell at people "told ya I was right about him" if a lynch happens... The reason I'm posting about this? If you ignore those weird parts inbetween he actually looks genuine recently and I'm not sure what to make of it. I'll keep my vote on him for now but I need to check him out again. I kinda like this post. On July 08 2014 23:33 IAmRobik wrote:
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I did however agree with VE's read on mderg. I think he was the one who said that he was afraid to interact. He was more than happy to engage with people in previous games and seems less than active in this game. Obviously the two of them wouldn't be scum buddies though.
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I already said that comment from me was not to be taken seriously and I thought the smiley in my post made that obvious. On July 08 2014 23:51 VisceraEyes wrote:
I actually like yamato and I'm nullish leaning town on prplhz, so I'm actually gonna stop pushing mderg becase A) I'm not getting any support for it and B) because ObiWan is an equally good lynch fmp. So yeah.
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##Vote: ObiWanShinobi This looks really bad to me. Considering how convinced you were of me being scum this unvote was surprisingly easy. I also can´t really grasp your reasons for voting ObiWanShinobi. I think you mentioned him 1 time before that vote and that mention didn´t look like a scumread to me. So you decide to change your vote from your biggest scumread to someone who somehow is an equally good lynch. There is a lack of explanation and it doesn´t make you look very townie. Going to bed now. If it goes on like this, I will have caught up in about 2 days... I also don´t like Cora and forumite. Those are a bit less clear but you could be able to see those. For a record, let's distinguish between Scumhunting and Posting opinionsThe words ' like ' ' don´t like ' indicates opinion. Not scumhunting. You never actively called someone scum yet. You have yet to post any proper reads that isn't replying to posts. Your tone indicates a huge buttload of passivity - almost like you are unwilling to do a proper read. Almost all your posts were on replies to posts about you. This is why I said that you were posting mostly when asked to. 'I also don´t like Cora and forumite. Those are a bit less clear but you could be able to see those.' If it is less clear, it doesn't exist. No solid read from you, at all. I need you to pick your scumreads now. No more wishy-washy reads. I literally cannot gather any info from you other than your passing comments. ##Vote: Mderg I don´t want to call this case terrible but I think I have to. Do you want me to shout OMG SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM like Robik? I never did that and never will do that because it´s dumb. Unless I know 100% that someone is scum I won´t state as fact that he is scum. When I say that someone is scummy, I AM scumreading him! That most of my posts were on replies to posts about me is a straight up lie. If the post you quoted doesn´t tell you my scumreads, you can´t be helped.
well I think mderg is kinda scummy
yea I can see a vote on him working out
maybe we lynch him today?
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On July 11 2014 03:05 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2014 03:04 HaruRH wrote:On July 11 2014 03:03 mderg wrote:On July 11 2014 02:46 HaruRH wrote:On July 11 2014 00:06 mderg wrote:On July 10 2014 23:55 Vivax wrote:
I feel mderg has a good chance of being scum cause he posts very reactively and then mostly to discuss townreads with people or antagonize them about their scumreads.
Just from his filter I have a hard time telling who he's scumreading, or seeing that he has the intention to.
I'm more keen on lynching him than Cora atm. In fact I'd prefer if we didn't lynch Cora cause I can think of a few townie things in his filter, will elaborate if I see the need.
Will be less active in this game for a bit, don't rush it till I get to read some more please, especially the information around Obi. Here are some posts that look like pretty clear scumreading to me: On July 10 2014 19:31 mderg wrote:Reading the conversation between yamato and iamperfect is just awful. I have to check like 5 times every post to see who posted it because they both have an archon as profile pic. On July 09 2014 08:12 yamato77 wrote:
you're not that high on my townlist
I could see lynching you On July 09 2014 08:16 yamato77 wrote:
remember, I nailed you to the wall in catastrophe
I know how to read you I don´t like this by yamato. Keeping options open on iamperfection without a definite read but at the same time bragging about being able to read him. Seems scummy to me. On July 10 2014 08:44 mderg wrote:Some more catching up. On July 08 2014 23:33 Toadesstern wrote:Okay I don't think this answer from forumite fits at all: On July 08 2014 20:52 Forumite wrote:On July 08 2014 00:43 Koshi wrote:On July 08 2014 00:34 Toadesstern wrote:
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exactly. At the same time he has the balls to outright state that for no reason whatsoever. Why would mafia say they were considering to chainsaw me. If this was someone like Marv or me who literally don't give a shit about how weak we post and do it on a regular basis to look like we're ballsy townies fine but this little detail doesn't fit in the picture of forumite being Mafia so far.
That's what I meant with, he's not afraid of posting something that ridiculous (for both things). I'm actually fine with forumite for now lol Nha bro, that's not how it works. Mafia doesn't think about why they actually read people. They think about covering themselves if they get called out. Scum doesn't connect the "I can justify reading prplhz for town because my history with him" with "this guy is town because he scumreaded prplhz and I also do that as town". I am not saying it is impossible for scum to do it, but scum is more likely to slip in their reasoning doing these kinda connect reads. mafia more likely thinks "ok, prplhz is town and I can defend him with this meta reason x from past games, I could call the guy who is putting pressure on prplhz scum because he is wrong but let's go after this guy who is posting total nonsense, nobody will think I am off base for calling this guy out, he clearly is doing nothing". You should be proud of your case. It actually shows mafia mindset. This is the post you used to justify sheeping Toades. It´s WIFOM and lies. I never pushed Toades, I knew me not voting for prplhz doesn´t make Toades scum. I said I considered chainsawing him to fit in with my "read" on prplhz, but knowing that prplhz wasn´t really confirmed town to anyone else attacking Toades would have been a stupid thing to do. It´s still taken up as a reason why I´m scummy. Can´t you people read? I just don't see that fitting in with the rest. So he tells me to unvote, without an explanation while KNOWING that the townread on prplhz isn't obvious. And he doesn't try to stop me from voting prplhz either. But still proceeds to mention the read in the first place for no apparent reason and feels the need to tell people that he's smarter than to just chainsaw someone. This all sounds really fishy for me. The realization that a vote/attack on me would look stupid comming from himself. Sure he says it would be a stupid thing to do but well... Add to that that I'm not a fan of giving random townreads out like they're candy when you don't have a reason to do so, because it's the easiest thing in the world for mafia to do to look like they're doing something because they don't even have to lie about it and can later on come back and yell at people "told ya I was right about him" if a lynch happens... The reason I'm posting about this? If you ignore those weird parts inbetween he actually looks genuine recently and I'm not sure what to make of it. I'll keep my vote on him for now but I need to check him out again. I kinda like this post. On July 08 2014 23:33 IAmRobik wrote:
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I did however agree with VE's read on mderg. I think he was the one who said that he was afraid to interact. He was more than happy to engage with people in previous games and seems less than active in this game. Obviously the two of them wouldn't be scum buddies though.
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I already said that comment from me was not to be taken seriously and I thought the smiley in my post made that obvious. On July 08 2014 23:51 VisceraEyes wrote:
I actually like yamato and I'm nullish leaning town on prplhz, so I'm actually gonna stop pushing mderg becase A) I'm not getting any support for it and B) because ObiWan is an equally good lynch fmp. So yeah.
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##Vote: ObiWanShinobi This looks really bad to me. Considering how convinced you were of me being scum this unvote was surprisingly easy. I also can´t really grasp your reasons for voting ObiWanShinobi. I think you mentioned him 1 time before that vote and that mention didn´t look like a scumread to me. So you decide to change your vote from your biggest scumread to someone who somehow is an equally good lynch. There is a lack of explanation and it doesn´t make you look very townie. Going to bed now. If it goes on like this, I will have caught up in about 2 days... I also don´t like Cora and forumite. Those are a bit less clear but you could be able to see those. For a record, let's distinguish between Scumhunting and Posting opinionsThe words ' like ' ' don´t like ' indicates opinion. Not scumhunting. You never actively called someone scum yet. You have yet to post any proper reads that isn't replying to posts. Your tone indicates a huge buttload of passivity - almost like you are unwilling to do a proper read. Almost all your posts were on replies to posts about you. This is why I said that you were posting mostly when asked to. 'I also don´t like Cora and forumite. Those are a bit less clear but you could be able to see those.' If it is less clear, it doesn't exist. No solid read from you, at all. I need you to pick your scumreads now. No more wishy-washy reads. I literally cannot gather any info from you other than your passing comments. ##Vote: Mderg I don´t want to call this case terrible but I think I have to. Do you want me to shout OMG SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM like Robik? I never did that and never will do that because it´s dumb. Unless I know 100% that someone is scum I won´t state as fact that he is scum. When I say that someone is scummy, I AM scumreading him! That most of my posts were on replies to posts about me is a straight up lie. If the post you quoted doesn´t tell you my scumreads, you can´t be helped. well I think mderg is kinda scummy yea I can see a vote on him working out maybe we lynch him today? You´re just fucking dumb
Your filter is beautiful, it's basically full of spoilers and I can just read your filter without needing to read others anymore
still 0 proper reads
no push
scumreads are weak
and who asked you to scream scum scum scum like robik, I didn't suggest/say that at all.
Btw this sentence makes 0 sense: 'Unless I know 100% that someone is scum I won´t state as fact that he is scum.' because if you're town, you cannot state anyone as scum, ever, Unless you're cop, then you only have 1 scumread.
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On July 11 2014 18:24 ExO_ wrote:
So far I think Toad/Layabout/Viscera are town. They are all very actively trying to solve the game and I don't think that mafia would be doing it quite like this at this point.
I'm not sure that I think the case on mderg is that great, but his silence is disturbing. Seems like he's letting the case on him pass hoping the stuff with BM takes over. I'm not sure what to think about him, could flip either way at this point.
But I don't understand why BM would fake claim role block? It doesn't make any sense. And I don't fully understand the masoning stuff happening with Koshi/prplhz could somebody explain to me how that would work?
And I definitely think scum is lurking right now, so I'm suspicious of people such as:
Forumite/Alakaslam/Damdred/HaruRH/layabout
and would like to hear from them in the thread
How the hell am I lurking when I just woke up
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On July 11 2014 23:40 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2014 22:58 Koshi wrote:
pro-tip for everybody.
Robik was not a VT. How you know this
check his role pm
Basically, no actions other than mafia shot can be done on him
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On July 12 2014 05:39 Koshi wrote:town in world cupscum in detention mafiascum in Normal mini numberedtown in Glory seeker mafiaOk so here is some meta. If you look at the scum games you see that mderg starts a lot of sentences with "I think" "I don't think" "I don't like" etc. He doesn't do it in World Cup. He doesn't do it here. Sadly he does it a lot in Glory Seeker mafia as town as well. so meh. Anybody else seeing differences or similarities? Time to get some towncred and be useful guys!
He doesn't do it here? So is my post leading up to the vote on mderg useless/fake?
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I´m pretty sure
I also think Robik is town.
I think Toades´ line of thought was perfectly reasonable here.
I really dislike this post. It´s incrediibly useless to tell me that.
I like the thoughts on Toad, Cora and Vivax.
I don´t like that forumite keeps his vote on koshi here
I kinda like this post.
This looks really bad to me
I don´t like this by yamato.
I also don´t like Cora and forumite
I don´t want to call this case terrible but I think I have to.
I don´t like his policy to not make reads D1 but he always seems to do that
I don´t really know why but I get a townie feeling about him
I didn´t like his defense of me
I didn´t like how he pushed koshi´s lynch list while not really giving any reasoning on the lynch targets himself
I also didn´t like how he blindly sheeped Robik´s read when he was dead
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On July 12 2014 06:08 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2014 06:07 HaruRH wrote:I´m pretty sure I also think Robik is town. I think Toades´ line of thought was perfectly reasonable here. I really dislike this post. It´s incrediibly useless to tell me that. I like the thoughts on Toad, Cora and Vivax. I don´t like that forumite keeps his vote on koshi here I kinda like this post. This looks really bad to me I don´t like this by yamato. I also don´t like Cora and forumite I don´t want to call this case terrible but I think I have to. I don´t like his policy to not make reads D1 but he always seems to do that I don´t really know why but I get a townie feeling about him I didn´t like his defense of me I didn´t like how he pushed koshi´s lynch list while not really giving any reasoning on the lynch targets himself I also didn´t like how he blindly sheeped Robik´s read when he was dead If that's all from this game we should lynch him  I am not seeing things right? He does say "I don't like" "I think" way more in his scumgames?
There's more, I just cant be arsed to quote them
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On July 13 2014 14:23 Bill Murray wrote:
OMFG Scum don't have trackers
1) SINANI ISNT A MASON/MASON PEOPLE. He only lets 2 PEOPLE (can be town or scum) pm each other. Your 'sinani mason me so im town' argument is rubbish.
2) How did you know if mafia dont have trackers? Did you ask palmar or did you ask them in the scum qt?
3) why the fuck did you even track kush.
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On July 14 2014 08:11 HiroPro wrote:
we lynch kush. he didn't look good even before this and not saying anything about whether he no-visited or not looks bad. if he flips town, we kill bm. as simple as that in my opinion.
##vote kush
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