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On July 08 2014 15:00 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2014 14:09 Corazon wrote:
How hell-bent are you guys on lynching Forumite? To be honest I can't see myself voting for him. Many of his actions and statements so far (such as his meta-read on Prp and his statement that he can't read Toad objectively once Toad started attacking him) are statements/decisions that I myself would probably do as town. Thinking about it, that could explain why he's been under so much pressure...
Has he really been the scummiest player in the thread so far? Why are you not considering yourself among the decision-makers in town? Why are you asking us if he's been the scummiest player? Why don't YOU tell US who the scummiest player is if you disagree that it's Forumite?
Because I simply don't see the argument for lynching Forumite. I think it is a terrible lynch and I hope that it stops getting momentum.
My vote is on Robik and it will stay on Robik. He's done nothing to prove that he is town; he's simply trying to feign activity and feign scumhunting. Hell, his argument for voting for you was that you were not on LoL.
If you want more info on why I think he's scum, just look through my filter. He's a much better lynch than Forumite.
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On July 08 2014 15:14 VisceraEyes wrote:
Ugh. Robik is just like this though, regardless of alignment. I don't think he's necessarily a good lynch either. And if you'll notice, I'm not on Forumite either - I'm on mderg. What do you think of mderg?
Mderg has played the same kind of game as Robik. Is mderg always like this?
What it comes down to is: What is more scummy, making stupid reads with no actual reasoning or making no reads at all?
They're the same IMO
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By same kind of game, I mean one-liners w/o any meaningful posts
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On July 08 2014 17:00 prplhz wrote:
@Corazon There's no way we're lynching IAmRobik and that's okay because he's probably town. Please do something else and focus on people who aren't active, we're not lynching the most active D1 player because that guy simply never turns out to be scum. Doesn't matter if you like his contributions or not, he's interacted with the thread the most out of everybody so he's probably town and that means we're simply not lynching him.
What the fuck did TL Meta change? Can I just spew out whatever I want and get a free pass because I posted a lot? WTF Prp? This is a really stupid reason to defend Robik.
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It says a lot that Iamp has a very weak reason for calling me scum, yet I'm #1 on his "vote list". He hasn't even voted for me yet. Does that say something?
If Iamp is town, he needs to really reevaluate his game, especially since he is still claiming Robik is being "active" and doing things when Robik seems like he is simply trying to disprove him with every vote-switch he performs.
On that note, I'm going to continue to re-read the thread after I go do some IRL things. I'll be back with some additional thoughts either later tonight or tomorrow (way before the deadline, I promise).
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If anyone thinking I am scum wants to explain why I am scum with more than 10 words, please make the case.
Only Toad has gotten past that mark so far :/
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On July 09 2014 12:06 HaruRH wrote:
How about you explain the following 2 quotes from you?
"You need to understand that this game is not static. It is an ecolving game and I'm not going to say "I'm 100% voting for XXX today". That's just terrible town play."
And then, when asked about your biggest scumread,
"My vote is on Robik and it will stay on Robik"
Me being stupid. That was before the Robik lynch-train died.
If I got the chance to rewrite that, I would say "My vote is on Robik and it will stay on Robik until I feel someone else is scummier."
Of course it's too late, but it's certainly not enough to call me scum. You need a bigger argument that that.
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On July 09 2014 12:16 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2014 14:09 Corazon wrote:
How hell-bent are you guys on lynching Forumite? To be honest I can't see myself voting for him. Many of his actions and statements so far (such as his meta-read on Prp and his statement that he can't read Toad objectively once Toad started attacking him) are statements/decisions that I myself would probably do as town. Thinking about it, that could explain why he's been under so much pressure...
Has he really been the scummiest player in the thread so far? How about this? Forumite randomly voted robik and only provided a crappy reason when asked for a reason. That reason is so generic it hurts. Do you still think forumite is a townread? Is robik really the scummiest so far?
Yes I still think Forumite is a town read.
Robik has done the same thing except he's done it at least 5 times and you're going to let him slide for that?
I'm still mulling it over who I think is the scummiest. I'm still looking at a few filters.
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On July 09 2014 12:20 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2014 06:53 Forumite wrote:On July 09 2014 06:38 Toadesstern wrote:On July 09 2014 06:34 Forumite wrote:On July 09 2014 06:29 Toadesstern wrote:
no "if X is mafia that makes Y whatever" before people flip, especially on d1. Yes you should be on either iamp or on forumite. I'm actually in favor of iamp as well but have to watch this rape of a football game What´s the case on iamp? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/461003-tl-mafia-lxvii-storm-mafia-2?page=55#1082Koshis post in there and what I wrote in addition when I looked at his town games to doublecheck that. Thanks. Yes, I remember reading that case, it´s quite good, also it´s not about lynching me which is a bonus. ##Vote: iamperfection Also, how do you townread forumite after he looked so happy not being lynched? Would a town go 'yea as long as you dont lynch me any read is fine'?
I would like to answer your question with 2 questions:
1. Do you really want to get lynched? (Give me a real answer, I won't judge you for it)
2. Would mafia just simply go out and say they dont want to be lynched plainly?
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On July 09 2014 12:30 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2014 12:24 Corazon wrote:On July 09 2014 12:20 HaruRH wrote:On July 09 2014 06:53 Forumite wrote:On July 09 2014 06:38 Toadesstern wrote:On July 09 2014 06:34 Forumite wrote:On July 09 2014 06:29 Toadesstern wrote:
no "if X is mafia that makes Y whatever" before people flip, especially on d1. Yes you should be on either iamp or on forumite. I'm actually in favor of iamp as well but have to watch this rape of a football game What´s the case on iamp? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/461003-tl-mafia-lxvii-storm-mafia-2?page=55#1082Koshis post in there and what I wrote in addition when I looked at his town games to doublecheck that. Thanks. Yes, I remember reading that case, it´s quite good, also it´s not about lynching me which is a bonus. ##Vote: iamperfection Also, how do you townread forumite after he looked so happy not being lynched? Would a town go 'yea as long as you dont lynch me any read is fine'? I would like to answer your question with 2 questions: 1. Do you really want to get lynched? (Give me a real answer, I won't judge you for it) 2. Would mafia just simply go out and say they dont want to be lynched plainly? I dont mind getting lynched if I fucked up. But if someone decides to mislynch me with bad reasoning ill flip. Yes and no. Think about it this way. Scum knows its too obvious to blatantly say that they don't want to be lynched, so most of the time it will be townread.
TBH that second response seems like a lot of WIFOM to me.
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On July 09 2014 12:43 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2014 12:33 Corazon wrote:On July 09 2014 12:30 HaruRH wrote:On July 09 2014 12:24 Corazon wrote:On July 09 2014 12:20 HaruRH wrote:On July 09 2014 06:53 Forumite wrote:On July 09 2014 06:38 Toadesstern wrote:On July 09 2014 06:34 Forumite wrote:On July 09 2014 06:29 Toadesstern wrote:
no "if X is mafia that makes Y whatever" before people flip, especially on d1. Yes you should be on either iamp or on forumite. I'm actually in favor of iamp as well but have to watch this rape of a football game What´s the case on iamp? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/461003-tl-mafia-lxvii-storm-mafia-2?page=55#1082Koshis post in there and what I wrote in addition when I looked at his town games to doublecheck that. Thanks. Yes, I remember reading that case, it´s quite good, also it´s not about lynching me which is a bonus. ##Vote: iamperfection Also, how do you townread forumite after he looked so happy not being lynched? Would a town go 'yea as long as you dont lynch me any read is fine'? I would like to answer your question with 2 questions: 1. Do you really want to get lynched? (Give me a real answer, I won't judge you for it) 2. Would mafia just simply go out and say they dont want to be lynched plainly? I dont mind getting lynched if I fucked up. But if someone decides to mislynch me with bad reasoning ill flip. Yes and no. Think about it this way. Scum knows its too obvious to blatantly say that they don't want to be lynched, so most of the time it will be townread. TBH that second response seems like a lot of WIFOM to me. A wise man once said "WIFOM makes the world go round" - alexander the great Ok probably I made that quote up. And they didnt know the world was round at that point in time either. Anyway, WIFOM is what scum uses to deflect argument. It is easy to contribute most arguments as WIFOM. You just need to think what town|forumite will do as opposed to scum|forumite. In this case, it makes more sense for scum|forumite to do this. This is because he aggressively townread people early on, aroused suspicions and then quickly tried to put pressure off himself. After a whole day of forumite bbq, he is finally able to take the pressure off him and the first thing he says is 'at least im not lynched so lets sheep this case'. Definitely doesnt feel town.
Alright, I disagree with you on this and I guess that makes our reads different. Not much else to say about it 
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Alright, so about Iamp:
Whether we lynch Iamp or not will determine how we go about this game. A majority of the players in this game have almost no filter and have no expressed their opinion whatsoever. Town will lose if this continues to be the case. Sure we will eventually vote people out, but town is going to cruise into loserville if we vote haphazardly.
I'm slightly leaning towards scum on Iamp because his filter is 6 pages and only 5% of it contains statements that show what his opinions of other players are. A lot of his posts are just filler, answering questions, or one-liner stuff. There's also the issue in his reads post that the explanation of his scumread on me is weak at best (and a lot worse than the other two), yet I'm his top scum read. That makes no sense at all and it seems like he just has an agenda to get me lynched.
On the other hand, Iamp does have the longest filter in the game (or at least close if Koshi's is longer) and if he is town, he will be able to actually get us far. Since I really think we should lynch into the pool of players who have not shown their reads or have weak reads that are based off of absolutely nothing, I would prefer if we not lynched Iamp today. However, if I had to choose between Iamp and a no-lynch, I would lynch Iamp.
I hope that clears my stance on him. I still think a Robik lynch would be good because he's just playing like a chicken with his head cut off plus some players have actually defended Robik by saying that they think he's actually justifying his reads and that he is being "active" (which is really puzzling to me), which would put more value into a Robik lynch than one might think at first glance.
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On July 09 2014 13:03 IAmRobik wrote:
I still have yet to have Cora answer my questions or ask me questions or justify his maf read on me other than lying about me not doing anything
The only thing that he has against me that's real is my long filter...but that doesn't make me scummy at all.
Once you spew out something intelligible I might actually interact with you. But until then...
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On July 09 2014 14:47 VisceraEyes wrote:
Cora my issue is that you've now essentially boiled down your lynch preferences to policy-lynches. I know you think Robik is scum, but from my perspective I know that the things you think make Robik scum actually do not, and to me a vote for Robik is policy-lynching him for disliking his playstyle. You've also stated that you WOULD vote iamp to avoid nolynch, but only to avoid nolynch because you prefer Robik.
You say you went over a couple of filters looking for scummies. Did they turn up anything? Who did you read over?
I went over:
slOosh
Bunnies
ObiWan
Ritoky
Mderg
Iamp
Prp
It doesn't help that mderg, Ritoky, ObiWan, and slOosh all have filters with little content and no attempt to say who they think is scum (except slOosh's early read on Forumite which I completely disagree with). Of course, this same accusation can be extended to almost half the players here, so trying to lynch someone for these reasons is a crapshoot.
Bunnies is kind of in that boat, but she does have 4 pages of filter and a semi-case on Ritoky, so I don't feel like lynching her today.
I do like Prp's play so far (at least when compared to the 5 people I have mentioned before). I think he could be a bit more open with he thinks is scum, but I feel like he's trying to move discussion forward with his posts.
Iamp I just talked about, so yeah.
Is there someone that, in your opinion, I should be looking at?
And let's be honest, if Robik is town he really should rethink his strategy before trying to play another game of Mafia.
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On July 09 2014 15:20 slOosh wrote:prplhz, thoughts on iamp please. Cora, please address my post on page 65 Show nested quote +On July 09 2014 14:47 slOosh wrote:On July 09 2014 12:57 Corazon wrote:
Alright, so about Iamp:
Whether we lynch Iamp or not will determine how we go about this game. A majority of the players in this game have almost no filter and have no expressed their opinion whatsoever. Town will lose if this continues to be the case. Sure we will eventually vote people out, but town is going to cruise into loserville if we vote haphazardly.
I'm slightly leaning towards scum on Iamp because his filter is 6 pages and only 5% of it contains statements that show what his opinions of other players are. A lot of his posts are just filler, answering questions, or one-liner stuff. There's also the issue in his reads post that the explanation of his scumread on me is weak at best (and a lot worse than the other two), yet I'm his top scum read. That makes no sense at all and it seems like he just has an agenda to get me lynched.
On the other hand, Iamp does have the longest filter in the game (or at least close if Koshi's is longer) and if he is town, he will be able to actually get us far. Since I really think we should lynch into the pool of players who have not shown their reads or have weak reads that are based off of absolutely nothing, I would prefer if we not lynched Iamp today. However, if I had to choose between Iamp and a no-lynch, I would lynch Iamp.
I hope that clears my stance on him. I still think a Robik lynch would be good because he's just playing like a chicken with his head cut off plus some players have actually defended Robik by saying that they think he's actually justifying his reads and that he is being "active" (which is really puzzling to me), which would put more value into a Robik lynch than one might think at first glance. So you are leaning scum on iamp because lots of his filter is fluff, and his scumread on you is weakstuff. But you don't want to lynch iamp because he has a long filter and would rather lynch people with weak reads. What? You lean scum on iamp but you are basically saying I don't want to lynch him. Please clarify.
I'm really conflicted on how I feel about Iamp. While he has said some scummy things, he's also been one of the people who is posting a lot. If I was 100% sure about Iamp being scum, I would have voted for him and campaigned for his lynch. But I'm only about 10-15% about Iamp being scum, not as much as I am about Robik.
I don't want to vote a super-active person who actually has half-decent content in his posts over someone who has little content and no reads whatsoever. If we do that, we're just gonna be left with a crapshoot towards the end of the game.
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On July 07 2014 22:52 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2014 22:48 Koshi wrote:On July 07 2014 22:40 iamperfection wrote:On July 07 2014 22:32 Koshi wrote:
To correctly answer obviously.
Also, iamp, pls, Trying to read Koshi early game. So boring. So silly. So meh. is there a reason you dont want to be correctly read? I'm not like the rest of the jib jubs i rely on meta much less so i don't particularly care about your early game "meta". I don't have early game meta. But. I am Koshi. You know? Like, these posts. Why are they scummy? The questions you ask are more like you trying to figure out others than you trying to figure out my alignment tbh. Unless you are seeing how I react to you twice asking if I am scum. Because I gave the answer in my first post. The answer is bored. Your powers are needed elsewhere. I will do talky talky and you do hunty hunty. I have to explain to you why that post of yours was scummy?!?! It was long so therefore has the appearance that it wants to contribute some way but it in no way helps us hunt scum. Like no shit town should post and scum shouldn't be allowed to lurk everyone already knows that. If everyone already knows something there is no reason to post unless you are just posting for appearances which is a scummy mindset.
Early pressure and banter with Koshi.
On July 08 2014 03:25 iamperfection wrote:
Iamrobik is like the most active poster i dont think he is scum and should only reassess this if on day 6 when im long dead he is still around. worry about it then. Discussion on iamrobik being scum can stop.
An attempt to move the forward. Even though this is a ridiculously stupid read, it is an attempt for him to move the discussion away from something that he feels like isn't an issue/isn't worth being discussed.
This post basically sums up how I feel about him. He's doing townie things, but with really confusing reasoning. Perhaps this is scum Iamp trying to look townie? It all hinges on Robik's alignment though.
-His list post-
Putting his reads out there, you get it...
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And those posts are way better than anything Robik has said over the course of this game.
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On July 09 2014 15:57 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
i think im pretty town.
No one cares if you think you are town. Who do you think is scum?
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On July 09 2014 16:20 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
actually, i may or may not have read the thread correctly, but i remember iamp posting a giant reads list after koshi posted that huge sexy case on him.
so my issue is why didnt iamp address it? i dont remember him doing that. i remember him bitching at yamato because of his filter size or something but thats it.
so did he just dodge the case or what?
You could always read and try to participate in the game.
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On July 09 2014 16:22 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
depends on what you give me in return.
It's idiots like you that made me not play for 6 months...
I'm definitely not playing again after this game.
Put some fucking effort in this game. There's no point in me trying if half of the players don't bother to do the same at all.
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