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Vivax I don't see hiro attempting a topic switch as either alignment this game
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I actually kind of like the BM pressure. He made a shitty claim like this as mafia in Boardwalk PYP.
Meh.
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On July 11 2014 23:47 kushm4sta wrote:
Vivax I don't see hiro attempting a topic switch as either alignment this game
So he's neither scum nor town rofl?
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Correction it was a woodchuck
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He's not attempting a topic change
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On July 11 2014 23:51 kushm4sta wrote:
He's not attempting a topic change
Yes he does, he discusses BM with SlOosh. When SlOosh isn't convinced, he attacks his case on mderg for no reason I can think of except "well, this guy is opposing me". When SlOosh says his defense sucks, he tries to go back to discussing BM.
I can't think of any other reason for Hiro starting to defend mderg at that single point when he could have done that much earlier, except for the reason that SlOosh was opposing him.
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On July 11 2014 23:30 Koshi wrote:
Talk to me Damdred. Anything really.
Sure
On July 11 2014 18:56 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2014 16:37 HiroPro wrote:On July 11 2014 16:29 slOosh wrote:On July 11 2014 16:03 HiroPro wrote:On July 11 2014 15:51 slOosh wrote:On July 11 2014 14:48 HiroPro wrote:
Let's imagine that you're a mafia player who got caught with his pants down like this.
Do you:
a) fake-claim
b) ignore any questions as to why you lied
c) try to out some power roles
d) all of the above Explain. Koshi would have been a prime target for medics/protective roles last night. By claiming to track someone to Koshi, but not giving a name, you encourage anyone who did so to out themselves. If no one claims, no harm, you're already in deep shit anyway. This makes no sense. Why would a blue out themselves before BM claims anything? Because people on TL love to claim for the slightest reason? You should know this by now. Anyway your case on mderg seems pretty ticky-tacky. It's not all clear from what you quoted whether mderg was still expressing a mafia read on VE then or whether mderg was saying that Vivax had forgotten that mderg had expressed a previous mafia read on VE. It was about a previous scumread on VE. Show nested quote +On July 11 2014 18:24 ExO_ wrote:
So far I think Toad/Layabout/Viscera are town. They are all very actively trying to solve the game and I don't think that mafia would be doing it quite like this at this point.
I'm not sure that I think the case on mderg is that great, but his silence is disturbing. Seems like he's letting the case on him pass hoping the stuff with BM takes over. I'm not sure what to think about him, could flip either way at this point.
But I don't understand why BM would fake claim role block? It doesn't make any sense. And I don't fully understand the masoning stuff happening with Koshi/prplhz could somebody explain to me how that would work?
And I definitely think scum is lurking right now, so I'm suspicious of people such as:
Forumite/Alakaslam/Damdred/HaruRH/layabout
and would like to hear from them in the thread Why do you have layabout in both lists? Your half defense on me sucks. It keeps your options open and doesn´t commit to any real stance on me. That´s exactly the kind of "defense" I´d expect from scum. ##vote ExoAbout my silence: Have you ever heard of a continent called Europe? heard that people sleep there sometimes (usually at night). I won´t bother defending myself anymore. My time should better be spend on finding scum.
This post just feels off to me, his vote on Exo feels off to me. There have been plenty of people in this thread who have pointed him out like this and looking at his filter it feels a little out of character especially after Exo did help push the case on obiwan. Also this post by mderg
On July 11 2014 03:03 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2014 02:46 HaruRH wrote:On July 11 2014 00:06 mderg wrote:On July 10 2014 23:55 Vivax wrote:
I feel mderg has a good chance of being scum cause he posts very reactively and then mostly to discuss townreads with people or antagonize them about their scumreads.
Just from his filter I have a hard time telling who he's scumreading, or seeing that he has the intention to.
I'm more keen on lynching him than Cora atm. In fact I'd prefer if we didn't lynch Cora cause I can think of a few townie things in his filter, will elaborate if I see the need.
Will be less active in this game for a bit, don't rush it till I get to read some more please, especially the information around Obi. Here are some posts that look like pretty clear scumreading to me: On July 10 2014 19:31 mderg wrote:Reading the conversation between yamato and iamperfect is just awful. I have to check like 5 times every post to see who posted it because they both have an archon as profile pic. On July 09 2014 08:12 yamato77 wrote:
you're not that high on my townlist
I could see lynching you On July 09 2014 08:16 yamato77 wrote:
remember, I nailed you to the wall in catastrophe
I know how to read you I don´t like this by yamato. Keeping options open on iamperfection without a definite read but at the same time bragging about being able to read him. Seems scummy to me. On July 10 2014 08:44 mderg wrote:Some more catching up. On July 08 2014 23:33 Toadesstern wrote:Okay I don't think this answer from forumite fits at all: On July 08 2014 20:52 Forumite wrote:On July 08 2014 00:43 Koshi wrote:On July 08 2014 00:34 Toadesstern wrote:On July 08 2014 00:30 Koshi wrote:On July 08 2014 00:27 Toadesstern wrote:
waitwaitwait. That reasoning is stupid as hell but people use it. I do the same whenever I'm dealing with VE and it works wonders. No problem there and towniepoints for not being afraid to mention something that ridiculous lol.
However, this "strategy" is so odd that he shouldn't be expecting other people to use it as well. He's basicly stating that prplhz is town because he looks slightly scummy. If anything the guy should be gushing over me about how I'm a god at mafia for seeing that but STILL being wrong nonetheless according to him. Right? Yes, he did consider chainsawing you for reading prplhz as scum while he read prplhz as scum. The plot thickings *dum dum dum* exactly. At the same time he has the balls to outright state that for no reason whatsoever. Why would mafia say they were considering to chainsaw me. If this was someone like Marv or me who literally don't give a shit about how weak we post and do it on a regular basis to look like we're ballsy townies fine but this little detail doesn't fit in the picture of forumite being Mafia so far. That's what I meant with, he's not afraid of posting something that ridiculous (for both things). I'm actually fine with forumite for now lol Nha bro, that's not how it works. Mafia doesn't think about why they actually read people. They think about covering themselves if they get called out. Scum doesn't connect the "I can justify reading prplhz for town because my history with him" with "this guy is town because he scumreaded prplhz and I also do that as town". I am not saying it is impossible for scum to do it, but scum is more likely to slip in their reasoning doing these kinda connect reads. mafia more likely thinks "ok, prplhz is town and I can defend him with this meta reason x from past games, I could call the guy who is putting pressure on prplhz scum because he is wrong but let's go after this guy who is posting total nonsense, nobody will think I am off base for calling this guy out, he clearly is doing nothing". You should be proud of your case. It actually shows mafia mindset. This is the post you used to justify sheeping Toades. It´s WIFOM and lies. I never pushed Toades, I knew me not voting for prplhz doesn´t make Toades scum. I said I considered chainsawing him to fit in with my "read" on prplhz, but knowing that prplhz wasn´t really confirmed town to anyone else attacking Toades would have been a stupid thing to do. It´s still taken up as a reason why I´m scummy. Can´t you people read? I just don't see that fitting in with the rest. So he tells me to unvote, without an explanation while KNOWING that the townread on prplhz isn't obvious. And he doesn't try to stop me from voting prplhz either. But still proceeds to mention the read in the first place for no apparent reason and feels the need to tell people that he's smarter than to just chainsaw someone. This all sounds really fishy for me. The realization that a vote/attack on me would look stupid comming from himself. Sure he says it would be a stupid thing to do but well... Add to that that I'm not a fan of giving random townreads out like they're candy when you don't have a reason to do so, because it's the easiest thing in the world for mafia to do to look like they're doing something because they don't even have to lie about it and can later on come back and yell at people "told ya I was right about him" if a lynch happens... The reason I'm posting about this? If you ignore those weird parts inbetween he actually looks genuine recently and I'm not sure what to make of it. I'll keep my vote on him for now but I need to check him out again. I kinda like this post. On July 08 2014 23:33 IAmRobik wrote:
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I did however agree with VE's read on mderg. I think he was the one who said that he was afraid to interact. He was more than happy to engage with people in previous games and seems less than active in this game. Obviously the two of them wouldn't be scum buddies though.
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I already said that comment from me was not to be taken seriously and I thought the smiley in my post made that obvious. On July 08 2014 23:51 VisceraEyes wrote:
I actually like yamato and I'm nullish leaning town on prplhz, so I'm actually gonna stop pushing mderg becase A) I'm not getting any support for it and B) because ObiWan is an equally good lynch fmp. So yeah.
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##Vote: ObiWanShinobi This looks really bad to me. Considering how convinced you were of me being scum this unvote was surprisingly easy. I also can´t really grasp your reasons for voting ObiWanShinobi. I think you mentioned him 1 time before that vote and that mention didn´t look like a scumread to me. So you decide to change your vote from your biggest scumread to someone who somehow is an equally good lynch. There is a lack of explanation and it doesn´t make you look very townie. Going to bed now. If it goes on like this, I will have caught up in about 2 days... I also don´t like Cora and forumite. Those are a bit less clear but you could be able to see those. For a record, let's distinguish between Scumhunting and Posting opinionsThe words ' like ' ' don´t like ' indicates opinion. Not scumhunting. You never actively called someone scum yet. You have yet to post any proper reads that isn't replying to posts. Your tone indicates a huge buttload of passivity - almost like you are unwilling to do a proper read. Almost all your posts were on replies to posts about you. This is why I said that you were posting mostly when asked to. 'I also don´t like Cora and forumite. Those are a bit less clear but you could be able to see those.' If it is less clear, it doesn't exist. No solid read from you, at all. I need you to pick your scumreads now. No more wishy-washy reads. I literally cannot gather any info from you other than your passing comments. ##Vote: Mderg I don´t want to call this case terrible but I think I have to. Do you want me to shout OMG SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM like Robik? I never did that and never will do that because it´s dumb. Unless I know 100% that someone is scum I won´t state as fact that he is scum. When I say that someone is scummy, I AM scumreading him! That most of my posts were on replies to posts about me is a straight up lie. If the post you quoted doesn´t tell you my scumreads, you can´t be helped.
Just makes it seem even more odd, Just don't think exo has shown himself to be 100% scum and reaction to exos post just feels odd for whatever reason.
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Well I have never voted for somebody for defending me. So that's truly odd.
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Anyway, just keep my case in mind for later. Today we should lynch mderg just cause he townreads yammo for his Obi vote, then comes back and scumreads ExO in spite of his Obi vote.
When I asked him about the yammo read he had to think it through and decided to change it, but now he clearly didn't think through his ExO read and the fact that the guy was on Obi as well. It's a scumread on a whim.
##Vote: mderg
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Koshi, why aren't you idolizing my Hiro case yet?
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There were 11 new posts right before weekend and I didnt read your post because it looked difficult.
Now I read it and it is confirmed difficult.
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I am starting to really think Toad is scum.
Ofc we wont kill him today. But yeah. I got bad feels from today from him. His N1 and D2. Scummy to the max.
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On July 11 2014 22:58 Koshi wrote:
pro-tip for everybody.
Robik was not a VT. Right, forgot about that, makes sense now.
On July 11 2014 23:01 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2014 22:53 Forumite wrote:
I´m against a BM lynch. He does weird shit, nothing new there. I don´t mind the claim, he probably wanted to get it posted before scum gets around to shooting him. Are you forrealzies? Yes, for reals. Have you never played with BM before? This was official meta on BM when I started, I don´t expect that to have changed.
The vote on mderg get started by Haru? lol. I like the case on mderg and I hate the opposing lynches (except ExO_ but whatever).
##Vote: mderg
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Why would scum shoot BM?
unvote
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On July 12 2014 00:43 Koshi wrote:
I am starting to really think Toad is scum.
Ofc we wont kill him today. But yeah. I got bad feels from today from him. His N1 and D2. Scummy to the max. What do you mean?
I think Toades is town, the only thing I´m worried about is why he´s not committing to either lynching me or leaving the case alone.
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On July 12 2014 00:45 Koshi wrote:
Why would scum shoot BM?
unvote Patience
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Sheeping Vivax, I like what he has to say
##Vote: mderg
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On July 12 2014 00:45 Koshi wrote:
Why would scum shoot BM?
unvote Why did you unvote?
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What about we do not kill mderg yet? hmmmm?
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On July 12 2014 01:19 Forumite wrote:Why did you unvote?
moar time is moar money
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