World Cup Mini Mafia

On June 24 2014 05:28 kitaman27 wrote:


I'm guessing the England role will be assigned to an observer

On June 27 2014 07:13 kushm4sta wrote:
i still dont understand

On June 27 2014 07:16 kushm4sta wrote:
tehpoofter did i ASK YOU?

also why are you talking just to talk huh??

for those two things you get my vote

On June 27 2014 07:21 Vivax wrote:
Why so serious kush.

Is talking just to talk at this stage something that should be considered scummy?

On June 27 2014 07:35 IAmRobik wrote:
1) Palmar town
2) Sinani prolly maf
3) Everyone claim your country immediately! This may seem insignificant now, but will prove very vital later in the game (i'll explain this part when it arises).

I'm Greece

On June 27 2014 07:40 Vivax wrote:


why



why



why not explain it now

On June 27 2014 07:49 sinani206 wrote:
I am Japan

and not mafia

On June 27 2014 07:54 kushm4sta wrote:
i dont look at my role pm d1 tho

On June 27 2014 08:14 IAmRobik wrote:
Cause those were my first impressions and my first impressions are good.

On June 27 2014 08:23 kushm4sta wrote:
so vote for him instead of me?

On June 27 2014 06:43 Palmar wrote:
Oh well, it's unlikely you guys are both mafia, and that means at least one townie is refusing to try to play the game. Thus I no longer care and I'm not going to do anything.

See you.

On June 27 2014 11:09 IAmRobik wrote:

he's town dude. Don't be stupid

On June 27 2014 11:40 IAmRobik wrote:
If I'm town, palmar is town
If I'm mafia, palmar is town.

You happy?

On June 27 2014 16:43 Koshi wrote:
Hi Vivax. I am totes town. Totes town. 100%.
I did my part. Did you do your part?

On June 27 2014 18:20 Palmar wrote:


I don't care what you think it is.

You don't want to play the game until you're forced to = you're mafia, or at best a destructive town => you die.

On June 28 2014 07:46 Koshi wrote:

Robik thinks you are scum. He is pretty sure.
I am pretty sure Robik is town.
I also think Robik is a wizard.

You are on a shortlist with 5 others to get lynched.

As in. We are left with 6 names for 3 mafia.

On June 28 2014 07:50 IAmRobik wrote:
This question applies to those people who said that my reads were bad and told me that I need to explain my initial reads on plammar and sinani:

Now that I've flipped mafia in Order, please direct me to a non-catastrophe (that game was a catastrophe) game where my reads were bad

On June 28 2014 07:54 Koshi wrote:

dnu why you are typing all these words without reading the thread tbh.

On June 27 2014 21:37 Vivax wrote:
Kush why not lynch Palmar today. If you read properly you will see his case is crap and he has not done anything outside of that.
Just locked me on and tried to construct as many scummy motives as he could invent.

Koshi acting weird as hell too.

On June 27 2014 20:53 Koshi wrote:
VIVAX PAY ATTENTION TO ME

On June 27 2014 21:10 Vivax wrote:
What about poofter is there you wanna talk about.

On June 28 2014 08:18 kushm4sta wrote:


Interesting how? I thought it was boring as fuck.

On June 28 2014 08:55 kushm4sta wrote:
I don't like that case.
Your meta is from one game so it's not reliable.
Plus I would not describe vivaxs play as single minded tunneling.
In the quote he's suspicious of both koshi and Palmer. So how is that a tunnel..
Did you read his whole filter? He has changed his mind, which contradicts the reason you think he's scummy.

On June 27 2014 23:48 kushm4sta wrote:
@haru if you felt so strongly about koshi being scum then why did it take me asking about your scum reads to say anything about it?

On June 28 2014 00:35 Rainbows wrote:
All the pressure on Koshi, makes me not like Koshi lynch. Responded well to pressure. Don't like how Haru comes in and votes Koshi. First two quotes in his vote post mean nothing, the third is pretty meh.



Seems like he's voting thread sentiment imo. Whenever I make a post and vote somebody and someone else casually drops a vote like that it makes me very uneasy.

On June 28 2014 01:03 IAmRobik wrote:
For the record (and to piss off Banks -- who is prolly mafia and gonna call me out on this):

Vivax and Palmar are prolly just 2 town fighting

On June 28 2014 01:17 IAmRobik wrote:
My posts are being ignored


wahhhhh

On June 28 2014 01:23 HaruRH wrote:


currently, everyone is null because nobody is posting anything alignment indicative imo.

On June 28 2014 01:26 IAmRobik wrote:

I'm not asking you or anyone else to read my. I know my alignment (mafia). I'm trying to figure out the alignment of everyone else in this game (or at least try to figure out if they're a PR or just VT). So I want people to respond to my reads posts and tell me whether they agree or disagree with them and why. Having them ignored just pisses me off

On June 28 2014 02:14 sinani206 wrote:


you're scum why should i care what you think of me

On June 28 2014 03:05 IAmRobik wrote:
TehPoofter = banks = Town's Glorious hero and its Officer Banks to you robik.

On June 28 2014 10:50 kushm4sta wrote:
consolidate your posts poofter

On June 28 2014 06:27 sinani206 wrote:
now that fucking starwars shit is over, robik is playing the exact same way day one.

##Vote: IAmRobik

On June 28 2014 11:18 kushm4sta wrote:
haru and cav look like good lynches.

cav talking in the order mafia postgaame but this this thread. that is a bad sign.

On June 28 2014 11:22 Cavalinho wrote:


I don't get your Robik read. Do you or don't you townread Robik? You're waffling on him in almost every post that I see and I don't understand where you're coming from.

You're saying he's confirmed mafia off of stuff that isn't relevant, and then you turn around and townread him for "slipping?" I want you to explain your read in detail because the way you came to that conclusion doesn't really make sense.

On June 28 2014 11:26 kushm4sta wrote:


no i dont.

On June 28 2014 11:34 Rainbows wrote:
but my opinion on vivax / palmar is that i didnt like palmar cus he stroked his ego and implied he was town somewhere and i thought it was kinda scummy. cant quote cus on phone but it went something like "you [vivax] werent promoting discussion. anyone can do that. Look at what I'm doing!" seemed kinda like he was fawning at how townie he was being and seemed scummy. Vivax looked OK to me his responses seemed fine.

On June 28 2014 11:50 Rainbows wrote:
i dont like how you insult Robik banks, kinda shitty

On June 28 2014 11:52 Rainbows wrote:
is robik an alias on video mafia? i used to watch that. remember banks and dont remember a robik

On June 28 2014 11:56 Rainbows wrote:
i thought his counter pressure was townie. I havent read his filter since before work but thats a generalization. remember palmar leaning less town than vivax for his own aggro.

On June 28 2014 12:17 Rainbows wrote:


Whats wrong with what vivax did? Seemed invested in his read. being adamant isnt scum imho. If vivax is scum he probably isnt scum for counter pressure onto palmar. i feel like scum would just defend and try to change the subject.

On June 30 2014 06:23 HaruRH wrote:
Hahahhaha the scum aarekilling the losing team first hahaha

Cav is bullshit lynch him today

##Vote: Cavalinho

On June 30 2014 06:33 HaruRH wrote:


USA USA USA USA

On June 30 2014 06:46 IAmRobik wrote:
I shot palmar

On June 30 2014 07:34 kushm4sta wrote:
robik help me understand why the ffuck you \are lying.

i shot palmar.

On June 30 2014 07:08 Cavalinho wrote:
Roleblocked. Duh.

Thanks guys.

On June 30 2014 08:06 IAmRobik wrote:

oh, i guess we have 2 vigis...i like to shoot my top town.

On June 30 2014 08:08 Cavalinho wrote:


Is that supposed to be some kind of joke?

On June 30 2014 08:15 Cavalinho wrote:
Poofter I want all of your thoughts on the game so far.

You were out of the game for almost the entirety of the lynch period/night sequence and I have no idea how to read you.

On June 30 2014 08:20 IAmRobik wrote:
Cop with a red check should come out. You pretty much 2 for 1 yourself which is great for town

On June 30 2014 08:29 Cavalinho wrote:


Look, the people doubting me here need to fucking stop. I just had my role outed and was nearly lynched for the third time in a row. I just lost all of my checks and I'm a likely mislynch at some point because I had a shitty day 1. I can take responsibility for playing as badly as I did, but I've played my hand and the fact that people can doubt me at this point is ridiculous. I am the cop, and I'm uncc'd. The reason for that is, shockingly, because I am actually the cop.

Also, since I'm making a giant post, I might as well map out what we're doing today:

We're not lynching anyone on sinani.
We find the scum hiding on my bandwagon from yesterday.
We lynch them.

My wagon yesterday was so obviously scum-driven that it pains me to listen to people make me out as mafia. Everytime I disappeared, people just went nuts and I couldn't deal with the fallout. I'd like someone to sit down and give me one, one good reason as to why we shouldn't believe me.

I'm going to have a bunch of questions ready for people to answer as soon as I can, but I'm not leaving until we squash this shit right here and now.

On June 29 2014 03:41 ObviousOne wrote:
I just need to say something. As with most of the times I've played, My mood is the most crazy thing about me. There's also always the challenge of being scrutinized by people who would rather just fling accusations instead of interrogate, which just pisses me off rightly. However, this game, it's a bit of both. Everyone who is calling me scum is doing it without an interrogation, which when I started this game I promised myself I was going to try to play that way. Doesn't look like that's going to work out this game, even with the small number of players, because 40 posts a day of content like that is just not possible for me without seriously cutting into my terraria time. Other than interrogation, my preferred method is just to be left alone to make observations and put them in the thread. Can't do that if you're just going to call me mafia without that conversation, so I just get pissed again. There's one thing you can do right now and it's this: Offer me questions about other people or stop calling me mafia. Really, that's it.

Capiche?

On June 29 2014 04:10 ObviousOne wrote:

why aren't you helping by voting cav?

On June 30 2014 11:44 ObviousOne wrote:

My eyes are up here stop looking at my boobs

On June 30 2014 11:47 ObviousOne wrote:

You're welcome. You're gonna be mad when you see my POE post. Sorry ahead of time.

On June 30 2014 14:45 ObviousOne wrote:
okay poof is gone let's all talk shit

anyone else think it's counter-productive to intentionally play as if you're scum? i think that's what you just told me, that or i'm super in need of nicotine or something stronger like jameson. for real though as an afterthought (the kind that occurs after finishing an episode of criminal minds) i would like to know how you personally would describe your scum-meta poofter



in other news i rescind my imaginary but implied townboner read on vivax for not being here solving the game for me but not far enough to put an m next to his name

On July 01 2014 01:09 IAmRobik wrote:
Yeah, I don't know. I don't agree with him. I don't know the exact timeline of events (i didn't realize day was coming to a close so soon), but people were turning on cav, and if cav is cop and he feels his lynch is a certainty, then obviously he should claim to save town the mislynch. I just feel like he did what I (and other people) often do in video mafia AS MAFIA, where they will soft a role before actually coming out with it. From his previous games, he never did anything of this sort, so the fact that he softed first makes me feel sketchier about the claim.

As for how it relates to banks, I don't know. I have not, nor am I willing to yet, formulate an opinion of banks.

On July 01 2014 01:48 HaruRH wrote:


Cant participate when people are actively trying to find logical loopholes in anything I do
Anything else I do now will just be used as material against me because 'sub optimal scum play LOL'

Yea I failed my promise because I can't deal with kush/mderg /poofter by myself, so just do whatever you want.

On July 01 2014 02:34 HaruRH wrote:


Yea. I have exams right now, in both my mafia games, I am getting tunnelled heavily, everything I say and do is scum, whatever I write is dismissed as objectives (cav = major lynch so my points on cav is useless according to kush). My mental capacity is too low to try and convince people for another day that I am not scum and all their explanation were all bullshit. I no longer can 3v1. I need a rest.

On July 01 2014 04:21 Vivax wrote:
Imo scum is mderg Poofter and Cav and that's about it.

Something similar to Koshi who got NKd, they probably didn't choose me for fear of medics.

On July 01 2014 06:42 HaruRH wrote:
Lets use numbers to show you what I mean

For example, to calculate my actual reads, I need to set my opinions first. I think cav/pooft are scum.

So I would assign them a number of -2. I would be 0 because I dont townread/scumread myself.

Haru: 0
Poofter: -2
Cav: -2

However, thread sentiment is that cav is a real cop (+5), poof is just an afk townie (+3) and I'm scum for 4 people (-4). So this comes out as:

Haru: -4
Poofter: 1
Cav: 3

Final verdict: my read is that myself is scum bevause THREAD SENTIMENT LUL

On July 01 2014 06:59 mderg wrote:

These reasons you want me to give don´t matter.
I´ll try to explain this like for a 5 year old:
I think you both are scummy for reasons I already gave, there´s no proper reason to townread you, there have been reasons mentioned in the thread that make robik slightly less scummy. The reasons to scumread you two has nothing to do with thread sentiment, the reasons why robik could be townread have been mentioned in the thread and they are not completely stupid or something, they´re just way to little to negate the scumread.
Naturally, I think it´s better to lynch the scummier guy before the slightly less scummy guy.

On July 01 2014 10:35 IAmRobik wrote:
So, per Koshi's request, we're not lynching ExO for a couple days. I'm coming around to the possibility that ExO is scum and fucked up when he voted me, but like, I'm not there quite yet. We are, however, lynching the liar mderg. I can lynch haru too, I don't particularly care for him, although he seems more genuine to me than most people prolly view him.

We'll lynch Cava at some point, cause he's most likely scum, but obviously not for another 2 days or so.

Someone should prolly figure out who his partners are.

One of them is likely to be on the side of "HOLY SHIT THAT'S A FUCKING FAKE CLAIM AND A HALF" cause mafia like to be right.

On July 01 2014 12:58 Cavalinho wrote:
Poofter, do you actually have a decent read on me anywhere? I looked through your last three posts on me, and I see:

*A read where I'm the cop or mafia, which doesn't say anything.
*A read where you think I'm actually real.
*Your very next post, which includes me in your list of mafia suspects, despite saying you thought I was real not even a post ago.

Give me a read, and be straight with me. I want to know what you think.

On July 01 2014 14:13 ObviousOne wrote:
Both Robik and poofter were supposed to find people who called them town scummy based on their D1 play, correct? Did you guys get anywhere with that or is this just an excuse to be different?

On July 01 2014 14:37 IAmRobik wrote:
I don't think people who called me town are scummy. I think that people who were like "ZOMG SO FUCKING OBV GUIZE" were scummier than people who voted for me...I guess I just don't know how to read people who are actually braindead enough to think that that was a slip from me. Jesus Christ that's mind blowingly dumb

On July 01 2014 15:46 kushm4sta wrote:
its the kushm4sta
the assblaster
the mind infiltrator
the mafia regulator

btw at lylo we are massclaiming and if shit looks fishy, cavo is getting lynched. he is so scummy . he's probably scum.

On July 01 2014 16:36 ObviousOne wrote:

i like the way they are colored i'll look at them again in a sec

On July 02 2014 12:29 ExO_ wrote:
Also if we have a medic, please consider protecting me tonight. If I'm right I don't think Vivax and co will want me around tomorrow

On July 02 2014 13:22 ExO_ wrote:
As for why you should protect me, I think if I'm right about mafia, they'll try to lynch me. Without my voice here it's likely just going to end weakly on a town lynch, with mafia cruising to victory

On July 02 2014 13:39 ExO_ wrote:


I'm in the process of responding to rainbows right now, but quickly:

I used lynch interchangeably with kill. They'll try to kill me in the night, and try to lynch cav the next day.

On July 03 2014 00:00 IAmRobik wrote:
Banks is an idiot. Confirmed. I'm surprised that he'd actually use that as an excuse to be inactive though. That's so fucking weird

On July 03 2014 01:22 IAmRobik wrote:

Heil Hitler is like...it gives me the chills when I read it.

On July 03 2014 02:19 IAmRobik wrote:
Oh, and saving roles are not claiming VT either
They're claiming their full role as well

On July 03 2014 02:15 IAmRobik wrote:

Nope -- we'er posting full role pms.

On July 03 2014 02:29 IAmRobik wrote:
Can you modkill him so that we don't have to lynch him. I don't like lynching banks, even though I think he could be mafia here

On July 03 2014 05:31 IAmRobik wrote:
oh, i can claim cop now.

n1: kush = town
n2: banks = town

On July 03 2014 05:38 ExO_ wrote:
if cav is mafia and nearly died day 1 ill be blown away, itll have been so incredibly sloppy

On July 03 2014 06:08 ObviousOne wrote:
##vote HaruRH

maybe today?

On July 03 2014 06:29 ObviousOne wrote:

idk yet

im asking myself right now, would kush try to clear robik in order to have someone to shoot? probably not

im asking myself right now, would vivax say he was thinking about medic protection and then not be a major part of discussion for most of the day? sounds possible

exo talking a lot of sense to me, i'm taking him out of my POE scum list

so it's down to haru/vivax and then someone out of poof/cav in my book, either of the first two is fine with me if people prefer vivax today

On July 03 2014 06:35 ObviousOne wrote:

SURPRISE, MOTHAFUCKA

On July 03 2014 06:44 ExO_ wrote:


not that my opinion of you will change at this point, but is this anything but an OMGUS?

On July 03 2014 06:45 Vivax wrote:
This bit by rainbows is actually very good and takes me back again from the gut town feeling I have getting from Exo's latest posts for the way he has been pushing me during the night.



Mafia somewhere between Exo/TP/OO/Cav

Since we didn't get a counterclaim yet I would be willing to start accepting Cav's counterclaim at this stage even though that means he's being heavily influenced by mafia cause he's apparently blind to the stuff me, rainbows and 2 other flipped townies see. He probably just gets a raging boner for anyone defending him if he's town, he also got a boner from me doing it when I was mafia in another game.

On July 03 2014 06:54 Vivax wrote:


Both Koshi and Robik were reluctant to accept your claim, both are now confirmed town. Rainbows looks townie (do you disagree on this?), and I am town. If you are indeed a town cop, don't you find it odd that there were people willing to accept it at face value rather early despite your so far scummy play?

On July 03 2014 07:00 Vivax wrote:


That was reaction fishing, which is obvious in retrospect.
It's funny you believed it though cause he called the second check even before the night ended so he couldn't have it.

At the time I was thinking to myself that it could be a reaction coming from you knowing that Cav is mafia, and overshooting before even thinking about whether it was true.

Maybe that version of events is true, which is why now I'm talking to Cav to see if he is willing to ignore the evidence that townies so far seemed to doubt his claim more than some other individuals.

On July 03 2014 07:05 ExO_ wrote:
vivax is going to try his best to instill doubt. Do not let him. If you are town vote HarURH (since we seem to be leaning harurh over vivax).

On July 03 2014 07:10 ExO_ wrote:


Get on Harurh for now. If we can all agree to go vivax we can switch, but for now we should sit in the same guy.

On July 03 2014 07:15 Vivax wrote:


In fact there are so many possible variations of your reaction to what Robik did that I prefer to not touch that argument any further.

On July 03 2014 07:20 Vivax wrote:


If you think it makes you look town then your mafia you would also think that it would make you look town.

use more wifom plz

On July 03 2014 07:26 Vivax wrote:


Implying you are the only guy who decides the kills on your hypothetical mafia team?

Why would I kill Robik then?

On July 03 2014 09:06 kushm4sta wrote:


why exo... are you crazy??
we lynch scum or lose. we sooo need 2 days.

On July 03 2014 09:32 kushm4sta wrote:
exo did you claim yet?

On July 03 2014 09:35 kushm4sta wrote:
so poofter, your most scummy is the person with the most and deepest analysis?

On July 03 2014 09:51 Rainbows wrote:
ExO, you have so much conviction in your reads. You believed that Cav was cop for almost no reason. So did Poofter. I've seen many townies in this game including myself DOUBT that fact on multiple levels. Conviction comes when you are certain of someone's alignment. And town are never certain of anything.

On July 03 2014 09:59 Rainbows wrote:
saying probably is basically saying you think he is the cop. ofc you don't know 100% unless you're scum, but saying probably means you're heavily leaning that way

On July 03 2014 09:59 Vivax wrote:


This is bullshit and I explained why I found Cava scummy a multitude of times, starting from his post timings to him saying scum was on his wagon but not displaying that in his actions afterwards.

If you want to figure me out then confront me with that instead of spouting shitty generalized nonsense.

On July 03 2014 10:05 Vivax wrote:
Both NKd townies had Cav as scumread.so far.

Make of it what you will.

I think this game it would be a mistake to assume that town must have a cop.

On July 03 2014 10:05 Rainbows wrote:


I'm not buddying with Vivax -.- He just isn't someone I want to lynch today because he's been on my townie list since day 1. Like, I don't understand why people want to lynch the most active player.
I don't think you can realize this if you're not town. I've had reason to believe that someone is town. Then someone at mylo is pushing a campaign to lynch them. It feels wrong, like, that guy has a completely different read with the same information that I do.

On July 03 2014 10:09 Vivax wrote:


Except that you don't explain how exactly it's shitty, and 2 NKd townies so far felt the same about Cav.
You must obviously be the pro and mafia kills all the baddies first.

Go ahead and explain what happened to Cav's scumread of OO after he said he must've been on his wagon and called him rainbows scumbuddy.

You lack either reading comprehension or aren't trying to figure out the stuff I wrote in my post.

On July 03 2014 10:13 Rainbows wrote:


HF didn't do shit the entire game and Chrom stopped being active after day 2. It also had guys like Chairman who I scumread since day 1 but nobody lynched him the entire game even after i died.

You know why? Because scum didn't want to lynch him, there was so much resistance to a CR lynch. And I'm feeling resistance to an ExO lynch. Like, I feel if ExO were town scum would just pile on him but I haven't seen more than 1-2 votes on him ever. So, therefore, I'm going with my original assumption.

On July 03 2014 10:16 kushm4sta wrote:
rainbows, only person resisting the exo lynch is me and tehpoofter and we are town.

On July 03 2014 10:28 kushm4sta wrote:
poofter/oo/rainbows
gaem is hard

On July 03 2014 10:30 Rainbows wrote:
There is literally no reason to believe I'm scum beside wild association cases that can't exist because I'm town.

Lynch into ExO / Poofter / OO and then win the game. Please.

On July 03 2014 15:06 Vivax wrote:
Modkill modkill modkill modkill

On July 03 2014 15:11 Vivax wrote:
But I hope that you will get modkilled cause you already carry a warning on your back, and normally editing after a warning means modkill, but I don't know how HF will handle this.

On July 04 2014 06:22 Tehpoofter wrote:
Did OO ever claim?

On July 04 2014 07:20 Rainbows wrote:
OO's claim could also be fake. FML blues with no saves or checks. everyone is scum

On July 04 2014 07:31 Rainbows wrote:


My night post list looks good. cav/exo/poof/oo.

On July 04 2014 07:45 ObviousOne wrote:

translation: lynch anybody

On July 04 2014 07:52 ObviousOne wrote:

waited for the opportunity to CC mafia fakeclaim and it never came

On July 04 2014 07:57 Rainbows wrote:
or you know its safe to fakeclaim because there are no other claims out there. the wifom is strong.

Poof, why were you a ghost this entire game and finally doing stuff now?

On July 04 2014 08:25 kushm4sta wrote:
lol scum is trying really hard now becaues the victory is in sight.

amirite poofy?

On July 04 2014 08:29 kushm4sta wrote:
i think poofter is the lynch today.

every possible scumteam has him on it.

On July 04 2014 08:30 kushm4sta wrote:
see i remember you from last game. you were that dude who kept saying wolfy. u were good tho.

this game you bad. only baddies suspect vivax. town poofypoof would never think vivax was mafia.

On July 04 2014 08:33 kushm4sta wrote:
lawl scum love asking questions like that^

On July 04 2014 08:36 kushm4sta wrote:
that plus poe plus a million other scum thigns you did im forgetting

On July 04 2014 08:49 ExO_ wrote:
scum tum is rainbows/Harurh/vivax so we can all agree that HaruRH is scum then who gives a fuck about all the combinations everybody seems to have, lets pull the trigger on HaruRH

On July 04 2014 08:43 kushm4sta wrote:
i want to kill you because i 100% know you are scum.

the things you are syaing right now are scummy scummy arguments.

Exo is not the most obvious town. THat you think that reveals that you have inside information.
Many towns this game thought exo was scum.

Plus, WHO GIVES A FLYING FUCK if vivax said "modkill modlkill!"
That is so superficial a reason for scumreading someone. There is no way you really think scum is any more likely to do that.

On July 04 2014 08:52 ExO_ wrote:
what are prs? I was saying if poofter and OO both medic claimed I'd have to rethink, but poofter said he's not claiming medic.

On July 04 2014 08:57 ExO_ wrote:
3 PRs is too many you think? We have no way of knowing how many are in the game right? I could believe 3/13 could be blue.

On July 04 2014 09:04 kushm4sta wrote:
Why did robik die over me? That was the question.

It is because scum were afraid I would be medic protected.

On July 04 2014 09:07 kushm4sta wrote:


boldified is total shite reasoning once again.
obviously scum know there another pr.

On July 04 2014 09:09 kushm4sta wrote:
WHY IS IT SCUMMY TO WAIT FOREVER TO CLAIM...

plus he actualyl claimed way earlier but everyone thought it was fake.

On July 04 2014 09:14 kushm4sta wrote:


dude scum KNOW there is another pr. So they are going to have a claim ready. THere is no way 1 shot vigi is town's only pr.

On July 04 2014 09:15 kushm4sta wrote:
if OO is scum, scum aren't afraid of a CC, because they know you are town's only other pr.

On July 04 2014 09:19 kushm4sta wrote:
poofter is so scum it makes me want to punch something.

On July 04 2014 10:01 Vivax wrote:
Heyrainbows I was just thinking about you.

On July 04 2014 09:52 Vivax wrote:
Kush, you're a hero

On July 04 2014 10:06 Vivax wrote:
Poofter can you give us your final combination of scummers as you see it most likely?

Mine is you/Cav/Exo

On July 04 2014 10:08 Vivax wrote:
Sorry for calling you bad if you're town Haru, what I actually mean is that you have an interesting way of writing and thinking about things that makes it pretty hard to follow you sometimes.

On July 04 2014 10:10 Vivax wrote:


I like this game but I don't like the timing you wanna start playing it at, which is when your head approaches the noose.

On July 04 2014 10:13 Vivax wrote:
Poofter do you think that Exo is town for all the confidence he's showing into me and Haru and that he doesn't let off the target to look for alternatives?

On July 04 2014 10:18 Vivax wrote:
You misunderstand Poofter. What I mean with timing is that you only start trying to consider that I'm town when most of the thread contrasted your opinion and called you scum.

On July 04 2014 10:15 Rainbows wrote:
Cav / Poof / ExO makes incredible amounts of sense, because both poof and exo were the ones advocating that cav is probably the cop most of the game, whilst most of the town were really speculative on the issue. Also both ExO and Poof didn't vote on Cav in the day 1 lynch. Ofc this is only if cav is mafia, but out of OO / Cav if one is scum it's probably Cav.

On July 04 2014 10:19 Vivax wrote:
Anyway it would be nice to hear if you think that Exo's confidence makes him town.

It kinda answers itself though cause evidently you don't see it as scummy.

On July 04 2014 10:19 Rainbows wrote:
Omg if exo and vivax are buddies wp wp lol

On July 04 2014 10:21 Vivax wrote:
This is what you wrote earlier about me Poofter which is not only fundamentally wrong for the majority of the game, but is also the main trait Exo has been displaying lately by continuosly pushing me and Haru with his little speeches when he could have discussed a multitude of other things.

On July 04 2014 10:25 Rainbows wrote:


Exactly? That's what you and exo have been doing, calling him town. Although IDK how calling cav town if he's scum makes one look any better.

On July 04 2014 10:25 Vivax wrote:


Ok, then let's play the game. In your opinion I should probably lynch Haru, convince me why he's scum in a quick rundown of what you found scummy about him and I'll look at that.

On July 04 2014 10:33 Vivax wrote:


The only reason you'd look stupid if he flipped red is cause you didn't try to get a read on him the old fashioned way after he claimed. You were basically very comfy letting him slide only based on his claim, regardless of his real alignment.

At least I tried to check your filter for instances where you try to figure out Cav post cop-claim but I can't find them.

On July 04 2014 10:35 Vivax wrote:
Also can you show me exactly where your read on Exo went from superscum to supertownie?

On July 04 2014 11:06 Rainbows wrote:




How come me and vivax are scum together bc we think the same, but you / exo are not scum for thinking the same? Logic.

On July 04 2014 11:19 Rainbows wrote:


No no you don't understand. You can't possibly make the argument that me and vivax are scumbuddies based on the logic "If they back each other / think the same, they are scum" because you have shown to be doing the same thing. If you are town, then your own logic doesn't make sense because you know you are town and have taken a side with ExO, and you would know that doesn't equal mafia.

On July 04 2014 11:25 Rainbows wrote:


So you know I'm not mafia?

On July 04 2014 11:26 Rainbows wrote:
Poof my head hurts deciphering this.

On July 04 2014 11:49 Vivax wrote:
You know, I've reread Haru a little and his participation cooled off so drastically lately that I'm playing with the thought I might indeed have been wrong about gutreading him town for all the weird stuff he has been saying early on.

There are also holes in some of the stuff he said D1. He called TP, kush and mderg scum for calling him scum, more or less, and then ended up only pushing mderg constantly.



Nope, overconfidence at lylo is a scumtell imo. Not so much in plurality as in instant majority. Got caught in voice mafia once cause I was too eager to push a single guy at lylo and treat the puppet as if I was super confident that he was town. It's situational but in this case I would say that Exo's confidence should at best be treated as null cause there are multiple scenarios where he can show it.



1) I've mentioned what I didn't like about you. The feeling that you were trying to keep your head low for example .The way you didn't try to figure out if Cav was town or scum based on some reasoning as to why he should be kept alive for mafia to waste roleblocks.

Even if you say mafia has to waste roleblocks on him, that's unrelated to his alignment cause they have to do it either way, and that leaves us with you not trying to figure it out over the course of the game.

2) Currently rolling with OO being medic. I have to say that the trolly way he plays the game doesn't look like I know him as scum, where he tends to write longish (and serious), kinda nervous posts but on the other hand I don't think that's how a townie should play. The scumread on me that appeared out of nowhere does however trouble me ,as do all the claims in this game except for kush's. We neither have proof that there has to be a medic in the game nor proof that there's a cop which is very much in mafia's favour. That said, I'll assume for this question that he isn't scum.

If you aren't scum then it'd be Haru/Exo/Cav by PoE.

3) As for what I said about OO, see the above.
As to why I think Cav is a good candidate for scum is a lot of the way he played D1, already explained it: Starts by playing low profile or lazy or whatever, when it gets hot he drops a massive post, then claims and stops doing anything after his claim when he should still have been super active. To me that read like scum claiming, closing his eyes to the discussion and waiting for a counterclaim if you ask me.

Just this was enough to give me the persistent strong feeling that he's scum.

On July 01 2014 09:46 Tehpoofter wrote:
Since Im apparently just talking to myself. A couple thoughts for the game. Why is everyone town reading Vivax? I really don't see it. I feel like his game play has not been townie. I think that he is probably upset that Palmer got shot because it gave him an easy tunnel and that was taken from him. He also is really playing up the Koshi kill making him look good which is scummy. Idk someone just let me know what I'm missing.

I think that Robik and me are on the same page when it comes to Cav and how to handle him... at least I hope so by the way he is talking. So I feel like scum would have to kill both of us to play out the Cav situation in their favor. I'm sure others know what to do to but Look for guidance on that from Robik should I not be here.

How many PRs does HF usually put into his games? (This one probably not best for discussions in thread but more of a food for thought)

I'm going to look at other shit on here but I should be around for a couple hours.

On July 04 2014 12:06 Vivax wrote:
Hey Poofter I thought we were still playing the game where we both consider ourselves townies for the moment.

On July 04 2014 12:22 Vivax wrote:




Can you explain the evolution of your read on Exo? I see it 180ing somewhere in between these posts but don't know exactly why you're so confident about him being x or y and never something in between.

On July 04 2014 12:28 Vivax wrote:
Whatever man, I'm quite sure Poofter is scum at this point and this conversation is just too slow for my taste.

The tough one will be choosing the right dudes between Cav/haru/exo.

On July 04 2014 12:39 Vivax wrote:


Dude I just keep reading about your townreads and scumreads at different points and it's just a fucking salad with mostly connection based stuff. At some point you even include Cav as possible mafia but still you never argue why he should be mafia, and when I ask you why, you reply with something unrelated saying that scum has to burn roleblocks on him.

In one post you say I did some townie things in another you say you can't see at all what's townie about me. After N2 ended I'm suddenly your super scumread and wagon of justice while D2 you had Exo, mderg and haru as main scumreads, and that's the day you said "VIvax did some townie things."

and and and I don't even feel like going on with the other stuff I find suspicious cause you most likely die today.
And btw you shouldn't forget about the shit you post.

On July 04 2014 12:45 Vivax wrote:
And btw Poofter half of your filter is just D3, so you're suddenly posting the same amount you posted in the 2 ingame days when you weren't under such pressure.

On July 04 2014 12:51 Vivax wrote:
Though I'm not really comfortable with the thought of not being here at lylo.

On July 04 2014 12:54 Rainbows wrote:
does anyone else feel like no matter what anyone says we're just going to vote the same people we wanted to 24 hours ago regardless?

That's what this vivax / poofter thing feels like.

On July 04 2014 13:07 ObviousOne wrote:
i have no idea about player x because i don't understand player y

relationships between unflipped players is a beautiful thing

also totally useless thx

On July 04 2014 13:45 Vivax wrote:


Ok, to the townread shelf. Now definitively.

Congratz on your efforts and results, keep it up.

On July 04 2014 13:46 Cavalinho wrote:
Vivax why is it that you only want to lynch the weakest players in the game?

On July 04 2014 13:49 Cavalinho wrote:


Take a look at the people you've scumread over the course of the game:

Me, who has had thread sentiment against him since day 1.
Mderg, who is generally very clumsy as town and was busy for the majority of that day.
Poofter, who wasn't here for half the game.
Exo, who is new.

Do you or do you not see the problem with these scumreads?

On July 04 2014 13:50 Cavalinho wrote:


I'm calling you an easy lynch.

So yes.

On July 04 2014 13:54 Cavalinho wrote:


I'm giving him a townread for the moment to see if his point of view makes sense.

Also, stop posting run on sentences for the love of all things.

On July 04 2014 13:57 Vivax wrote:


I see the problem that you're judging them purely based on an hypothetical skill level or thread sentiment or activity instead of judging them based on their posts, like I'm doing.

With that logic you use I shouldn't even be looking at them, cause they're "weak".

Unless you can give me a good reason for each of these people being town, then your post right now is confirmed scummy bullshit.


Mderg is clumsy as town, so he can't be scummy.
Poofter wasn't here for half the game, so he can't be scummy.
Exo is new, he can't be scummy.
You played like ass D1 and most thought that way too, so you can't be scummy.

- Cav, 2014

On July 04 2014 13:52 Vivax wrote:


Yes, it gave me a townread. I don't think OO has made all of that up and I know he talked a lot about his smoking habits in the past, it just looks like a sincere answer for why he's playing like that.

It does make me sad he doesn't enjoy mafia anymore but to each his own.