World Cup Mini Mafia

On June 29 2014 10:51 IAmRobik wrote:
I'm cop, got my check back. Palmar is town

On June 30 2014 08:59 Rainbows wrote:


I don't like ExO's response to my post at all. Trying to discredit me for seemingly no reason other than self-preservation. I see you're here ExO. You blatantly subjected yourself to being lynched, that's super anti-town if you're town. So, why?

I actually don't want to lynch OO today. His townie post sticks out in my mind, keep alive for today. Haru's post on the cop claim was what I expected, and I am willing to also keep him around. I value his analysis for certain reasons and I hope he's right.

On June 30 2014 09:17 Cavalinho wrote:


There's no chance of you getting lynched today.

What's the problem?

On June 30 2014 09:18 Rainbows wrote:


You claimed that you didn't care if people lynched you. As mafia, this is an easy way of martyring to seem townie because "no scum would just say 'lynch me'". Your flinging shit at my post is an attempt to discredit my views of you as mafia, and therefore, self-preserving. It's easy for mafia to say lynch me, but of course they never mean it. Nor does town.

Claiming VT isn't helping me here.

On June 30 2014 09:20 Rainbows wrote:
ExO, what I'm trying to say is: Why would you even say "just lynch me I'm VT" as town. IT MAKES NO SENSE TO ME

On June 30 2014 09:26 Rainbows wrote:


Love when someone does something scummy and just says it was sarcasm, trolling, whatever. WOULD PEOPLE PLAY THE GAME INSTEAD

On June 30 2014 09:31 Rainbows wrote:


The only thing you've posted up to D2 was a vote on Sinani and a martyr post that was terrible. Most everything else was unsubstantial. How else am I supposed to judge you? Every 'little thing' is a big thing because there's nothing else to judge you on.

This is why I called you a COINFLIP. Because there's so little to go on. I've been trying to prod you, to post actual reads and stuff. So do so. Robik read is a start.

On June 30 2014 14:29 Tehpoofter wrote:
Good news boys I'll fully caught up Yesterday's lynch was really interesting. I think flipping Cav could give us a lot of information but I'm actually on the believing his claim side of things.

Townville: Tehpoofter

Kush - Claiming vigi and actually seems to give a fuck this game, is reaching out to people in thread like myself to play up, never lynching.
Rainbows- I liked your posts midway through yesterday and today as well as your huge post in the night. My big question is why did you stay on Cav at EoD? I still don't think you'd be anywhere near my lynch list today.

Robik - Day 1 was super townie he was doing a bunch of stuff that looks scummy as fuck but from my experience with him is most likely to be town. I will say that him being scum in order surprised me so I moved him down today for a couple things in the fact that he is falling off a bit and he claimed the shot from kush before kush claimed it was his shot. Now I feel like if he thought there was only one mafia kill Palmer was less likely to be a mafia target than Koshi but still could have been a TMI slip
OO - He gets into the town because reading his posts anytime he did something I found scummy he followed it up with towniness. I even have a post where I thoguht he was scum then his next post put me at ease.

People who confuse me:
Vivax - His thing with Palmer early day 1 felt really scummy and I didn't really care for his EoD but his conversation he had with mderg mid day as well as others trying it seemed to talk to whoever about a couple of people felt less tunneled than he was being on Palmer. Maybe he just backed off staying tunneled on Palmer because I called him out or maybe he is town idk Cop check this person imo.

People that are really bad at playing cop or mafia:
Cav - If you're cop stop claiming on day 1 please lord. This feels like your newbie game when you had to claim and still got lynched. I am okay leaving you alive for now because if you're cop mafia might kill you or just spam rb and if you keep claiming rb and someone else gets rb you're basically confirmed mafia so even if you're mafia mafia is out their RB ability so town can do as they please basically.


People who need to have a date with a big fire:
Exo - This guys vote at EoD is really weird he pops in it at odd times and I feel like he doesn't know what to say. I think this is like a classic mafia tell. They know they should talk but don't know what to say. I think that him saying he got a warning for activity and talking about how things are all spammy and he needs to write down his ideas is an easy thing for scum to do. He seems upset he has to post which I don't see as townie. Also I feel like in a world where
Mderg - I always find mderg's play awkward and scummy hes in the same boat as Vivax in my opinion but I feel like vivax has done some townie things. Mderg has not his EoD was really weird I feel like he didn't really mind who got lynched. Which makes me think Cav is more town if Mderg is mafia.
Haru - Instantly comes out with the vote on Cav if it turns out Cav is mafia I feel like this is exactly what he would do. I also liked someone's point that it felt like he was going to transition from a cav red to an mderg lynch which is the kind of planning I feel like scum do more than town. I lynched him last game because of his playstyle so I'm most hesitant about this read.

I'm out for a bit playing dailymafia.

On July 02 2014 05:04 Vivax wrote:


Go into detail I want to hear your full reasoning for why he wouldn't ever drop that meaningless vote a mafia.

On July 02 2014 05:27 IAmRobik wrote:
ExO could be sincere and he and mderg are mafia together and cava is town, but meh

On July 02 2014 05:30 IAmRobik wrote:

I do...but if we lynch Cava and Cava flips cop then ExO is almost certainly mafia based off of the fact that he brought the logic that mberg doesn't do that as scum -- it doesn't necessarily make mderg scum for switching late.

On July 02 2014 05:34 Cavalinho wrote:


[i]Why? Why am I shady?[i]

Nobody fucking follows my reads and then says I'm shady because I'm not playing. Are we just disregarding every single thing I say this game?

On July 02 2014 05:43 Vivax wrote:
Mderg if you are indeed town, then pin a guy who you think is trying to profit from the situation by defending you, for example.

On July 02 2014 05:51 Vivax wrote:


I didn't find an important answer in your filter, so I'll ask it now: Why did you switch last minute to Cava at all if you previously said he shouldn't be lynched? Me and Koshi's votes?

On July 02 2014 05:55 Vivax wrote:
Given how hard Exo is defending this guy and pushing for haru last minute I'm being paranoid that maybe we should follow that advice.

On July 02 2014 05:59 Vivax wrote:
Besides mderg, your story is this:

You say Cav shouldn't be lynched cause claim. You vote sinani, Exo votes sinani, you see Exo voting him and try to switch to Cava.

This just doesn't make sense to an outsider and if you're town I hope you understand why.

On July 02 2014 06:04 Vivax wrote:


Why should he have panicked if you voted for the guy he thought should be lynched??????

Your confidence into him being town is what's scummy.

On July 02 2014 06:16 Vivax wrote:
I think tomorrow I'll be pushing for either Cava or Poofter who were both on Koshi's list

On July 02 2014 06:32 Vivax wrote:


I am currently trying to figure out where your discussion focus lies in this game. You posted this list earlier:



Over the course of the lynch decision taking place however you strongly focused on either pushing me and haru or defending mderg and what I find lacking in here is your interest into the other guys you didn't feel like clearing yet.

Simply put, you lack a natural portion of doubt and what I also find lacking is analysis of these people. And that it's lacking is concerning especially now. If I take me and Robik as example, we didn't only get stuck on either haru or mderg but also considered lynching Cava (in Robik's case) or changing the read on Haru (in my case).

I am willing to consider the possibility that you are town, but first you have to explain to me how you read people in the list you haven't adressed or analyzed yet.

On July 02 2014 09:54 kushm4sta wrote:
hopefully they kill vivax so i can redeem myself this game by figuring out the scumteam

On July 02 2014 10:36 Rainbows wrote:

By PoE, if my gut towns are town, then the scumteam lies in 3 of:

Cav
ExO
TP
OO

Two "ghosts", one genuinely scummy guy, and the scummy cop claim. Not bad if you ask me.

We lynch into that tomorrow, imo. Especially if I wind up dead tonight, you listen to this list. You lynch one of those guys. This is where we begin towns comeback, and as mafia are flipped then we re-evaluate our town reads if they don't die at night.

On July 02 2014 13:23 Tehpoofter wrote:


so they can't lynch you if they kill you in the night.

On July 02 2014 13:21 Rainbows wrote:
ExO my reasoning for Haru being town has nothing to do with cav being mafia. You didnt read it.

also i literally said cavs alignment had nothing to do with my read on you and poofter... its the reaction to his claim regardless if its true or false. You really did not read my post or cant comprehend it.

why am i awake rn

On July 02 2014 10:36 Rainbows wrote:
HaruRH

The lynch yesterday leaves me worried. I thought most of or all of the scumteam was on him. So I dnu, meta would suggest that he is town. Cav / poof both on him. Cav / poof / exo scumteam? Maybe OO. I haven't done any really hard analysis of Haru, which is terrible of me because he was a main wagon yesterday. My gut says town, scum don't like saying "I don't do reads on D1, fek off son" to a townie. That just creates pressure and puts the spotlight on. There are a few things I don't like about his filter, but for now, don't lynch tomorrow imo.

On July 02 2014 10:36 Rainbows wrote:
Do NOT lynch Vivax if he is still alive.

HaruRH
don't lynch tomorrow imo.

On July 02 2014 13:43 Tehpoofter wrote:


kk sounds good. I'm behind btw. IF you were going to summarize the last 5 pages for me how would you do it?

On July 03 2014 06:06 Tehpoofter wrote:
Now I have to go read instead of coasting to the win :/

Exo so Vivax your top one eh? Who is with him you think?

On July 03 2014 07:06 Tehpoofter wrote:


I'm on the vivax train of justice. Hop on.

On July 03 2014 07:17 Tehpoofter wrote:


I Think Haru is town though. I can consolidate later but I find it odd you don't think vivax is gaining steam.

On July 03 2014 09:05 kushm4sta wrote:
exo can you summarize your case against vivax, or link to a quote of yours that summarizes it?



That post is pure rhetoric. I want specific evidence that he is scum.

On July 03 2014 09:06 kushm4sta wrote:


why exo... are you crazy??
we lynch scum or lose. we sooo need 2 days.

On July 03 2014 10:02 kushm4sta wrote:


lol exo i love your metaphors.

vivax can't be scum because look at all the shit he wrote trying to figure out the game. That is what is hard for scum to do, and vivax is doing it so much. If vivax is scum that would be the single greatest scum performance I've ever seen.

On July 03 2014 10:18 Rainbows wrote:


You misunderstand. Yesterday there wasn't more than my vote and vivax's vote on him, nobody switched off of Haru / Mderg. It feels like haru and mderg were the two town wagons and vivax/me had something but no scum wanted to touch their scumbuddy.

People don't have to be actively saying 'no, don't lynch him' for it to be resisted.

On July 03 2014 15:14 Vivax wrote:
If you're town now is your chance to muse with me about possible scum, all you have to do is give me an imaginary townread.

If you're town then that is the correct play, and not constantly try to get people to vote for me with motivational posts with no arguments behind them whatsoever.

On July 03 2014 15:21 Vivax wrote:


The part where I answered to and picked apart your case.

On July 03 2014 15:31 Vivax wrote:


By that logic everyone on mderg must have been mafia.

Really you're so bad.

On July 03 2014 15:38 Vivax wrote:
Again, for the whole thread to see and compare with your current reads:

On July 03 2014 15:50 Vivax wrote:


This is bullshit cause you expected me to accept your arguments for him being town or else I'm scum, and if your arguments should be able to convince me, then they should also be able to convince anyone else.

You're trying to put it as if your arguments for him being town were tailored just to be used against my push.

It doesn't work that way. If your arguments aren't convincing for all guys on the mderg wagon, it doesn't mean that I'm scum for being one of them just cause you were talking to me and not to the others.

If you have good arguments for a guy being town, and let's say 3 guys don't believe into them, why do you only pick one of them to be scummy for it? After all, they should be good arguments for everyone reading them without an agenda, but they evidently weren't.

On July 03 2014 16:03 Vivax wrote:
I already linked you to my response to your case, that's where I have shown why I disagreed with your argument for mderg and Cav both being town.

On July 03 2014 16:13 ExO_ wrote:


no no no, not them both being town, but at least one was town. Do you disagree that it was clearly presented that at least one was town

On July 03 2014 16:20 ExO_ wrote:
If you don't disagree that at least one had to be town (indicated by the day 1 antics) then at what point did you decide cav was innocent and mderg scum?

On July 03 2014 18:16 HaruRH wrote:


??? I don't understand your questions at all. ONLY at your point of view is there is at least 1 town in between mderg and cav. So who is confirmed town? Nobody is confirmed town here. Cav's claim reeks of 'you still cant kill me dumb town'. I don't think town, or even cop in this case, would think this way?

On July 04 2014 07:43 Rainbows wrote:
Confidence and conviction isn't always town. It's hard to say, its a gut read.

Think about it. Im town, if exo is town he possesses the same info as me. He draws completrly different conclusions. Something is wrong, because occams razor suggests that either he has different info orbdifferent goals.

This is why its hard to play town. because you cant always tell ifbsomeone genuinely thought of somethijg differently or they are scum.

On July 02 2014 13:13 Tehpoofter wrote:


DR Banks checking in why do I need to save you over CAv?

On July 04 2014 14:43 Vivax wrote:


This is all from Exo's presumption that scum was on mderg and not on Haru cause haru is mafia in his eyes.
But yeah, I'm aware that he has only shown interest into pushing me, Haru and rainbows as possible scum.

If he and Poofter are scumbuddies, Exo is forced to react now, so sit back and enjoy the show as he abandons his aggressive push on me and starts "considering" that Poofter is scum.

At least I hope that it is the situation we're in.

As for people townreading you for no reason, point me to who you mean specifically cause I don't wanna sift through all filters to find out right now.

On July 04 2014 15:09 ObviousOne wrote:
Vivax (1): ExO_, Tehpoofter, ExO_
HaruRH (2): ObviousOne, Cavalinho, ExO_, ExO_
ObviousOne (2): Vivax, HaruRH,
Tehpoofter (3): kushm4sta, Rainbows, ObviousOne
Cavalinho (0): ObviousOne


push vivax all day, relent and switch to haru? sick scumplan i know what you're up to guys


game solved gg

On July 05 2014 05:35 kushm4sta wrote:
everyone has to vote for oteh same person... this is mylo.

that means if people spread their votes, scum can just last minute switch to save scum and win

On July 05 2014 05:44 Cavalinho wrote:


Not if town has a doc/cop setup.

The only reason we got screwed so early is because I played like shit and I had to claim to save myself.

On July 05 2014 05:48 kushm4sta wrote:
ONE CLAIM IS FAKE EXO... WE HAVE BEEN SAYING THAT FOREVER

On July 05 2014 14:40 ObviousOne wrote:
I think exo is the lynch tomorrow. Then decide between Haru and Cav.

On July 05 2014 15:31 ObviousOne wrote:
I'm not sure yet maybe you can help me pick from the other two while I sleep

On July 06 2014 18:57 Vivax wrote:


I'm not sure if you realize how crazy your reads look all the time to a majority of people who keep reaching entirely different conclusions than you.

This could be cause you can't get behind a townie's perspective and is one of the reasons you look scummy. You could also be a downright awful townie but I have a kinda hard time believing that.

For some reason you take the cop check at face value without drawing conclusions from it.
Cause then that means they roleblocked OO to kill kush at any cost, taking the risk that the alleged cop checks 1 of them. Try to draw conclusions from that.

On July 07 2014 13:58 Rainbows wrote:
ExO's posts went from day 3: KILL VIVAX/HARU/RAINBOWS GOGOGO to

day 4: shrug, i dunno. Dat scum lynch so demotivating huh?

On July 07 2014 14:22 Rainbows wrote:
Cav don't vote haru. Either you or ExO dies today. and if haru gets modkilled thats a bonus.

So guess where I want your vote.

On July 08 2014 02:00 Rainbows wrote:
And ExO the development of your reads made no sense when Poofter flipped scum. I don't see how you went from VIVAX/HARU 100% scum +1, and then when poofter flips scum, you shrug and say I don't know. It doesn't make a lick of sense to me if you're town.

On July 08 2014 07:00 Vivax wrote:
You could start by explaining why your lurk all day claiming your reads are weak but show up at the last second to save a mafia roleblocker.

On July 09 2014 08:47 Rainbows wrote:
##Vote: ExO

I'd rather lose to scum Vivax than scum ExO. If I yolo lynch Vivax and I'm wrong, I don't think I'll live down the observer QT afterparty, who will no doubt have a field day with my ass. There are a few things that give me pause in Vivax's filter, but hopefully they are just explained by him being a cautious townie rather than scum. If he bussed cav day 1 that's a boss play. He's interacted with flipped scum as much as I have, which looks pretty good for him.

ExO if you're town I'm sorry. Most of the evidence points in that direction. Voted Sinani over Cav day 1, and haven't wanted to lynch both flipped scum at all. Energy level day 3 was approx. over 9000 at day 3 mylo with no flipped scum when the wagon was on haru, but as we lynched tehpoofter and cav the energy level depressed when it should have been a chance to reevaluate reads and admit you were wrong at some point. Either you're mafia or Vivax / cav / poofter made it look really good by pseudo-bussing vivax day 3 and hoping on your back. Also your read on me has made no sense over the course of the game I think. First I was scum for not wanting to lynch Vivax / Haru and instead lynch into poofter, then I wasn't scum, now I'm probably scum when chosen between vivax and myself.

If ExO is scum then I'm taking full postgame cred for my night 2 post which had all 3 scum in it going into mylo, and I am this games townhero.

If Vivax is scum then Koshi get's 100% postgame cred for nailing cav/poofter before he died n1, and keeping vivax in the neutral zone, while having me and exo as town.

Koshi should get cred regardless for the cav/poofter thing so koshi is townhero #2 if exo scum.

On July 11 2014 07:04 Keirathi wrote:
GG everyone.

Also, we played Fantasy Mafia in the obs thread. It was fun. Thanks for organizing it, Amiko!

Edit: Hey wait, Amiko! Shouldn't everyone who picked Poofter as Striker have 6 points? He votes sinani day1, mderg day2, and vivax day3. They were all opposite alignment from him! (Not that it matters, Chromatically picked him too, but it would put me at 12 points instead of 8!)

Edit2: Oh, it seems like you're doing 1 point per vote on opposite alignment? But bottom of the spreadsheet and the post in Obs QT both say 2 points per vote!