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ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
July 07 2014 02:36 GMT
#2361
On July 07 2014 11:29 Rainbows wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2014 10:50 Vivax wrote:
What if I told you Cav actually isn't scum.


Then I would ask: is OO actually scum?

i was gonna be like "not with this filter length" but this filter length is actually kinda required to still be in the game
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
Rainbows
Profile Joined March 2013
Germany1217 Posts
July 07 2014 02:37 GMT
#2362
On July 07 2014 11:35 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2014 11:29 Rainbows wrote:
On July 07 2014 10:50 Vivax wrote:
What if I told you Cav actually isn't scum.


Then I would ask: is OO actually scum?


It's possible for town to have those 3 PR vs. a RB, a GF and goon. Very balanced setup.


I know this.

However,

On July 07 2014 09:33 Rainbows wrote:
For the record, Vigi + cop + doctor is perfectly balanced for goon / RB / and either GF or framer to fuck with checks.

The only reason we're voting into blue claims is because two of exo/vivax/haru as scum doesn't make much sense when you razor it out.


I can't see ExO + Vivax team.

Nor can I see ExO + Haru.

Nor Can I see Vivax + Haru.

Most of those are pretty unlikely teams imo. Therefore, one blue is probably mafia and the other red is between those three.
Rainbows
Profile Joined March 2013
Germany1217 Posts
July 07 2014 02:38 GMT
#2363
I can see ExO + Haru but it's pretty unlikely with that amount of bus required.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22245 Posts
July 07 2014 02:41 GMT
#2364
Hey rainbows, good you're here.

Just wanted to point out to you that the argument you used D1 on Haru here was bullshit, cause you said he was following YOUR sentiment, when he posted his stuff on Koshi before you.

On June 28 2014 00:35 Rainbows wrote:
All the pressure on Koshi, makes me not like Koshi lynch. Responded well to pressure. Don't like how Haru comes in and votes Koshi. First two quotes in his vote post mean nothing, the third is pretty meh.

Show nested quote +
On June 27 2014 23:25 HaruRH wrote:
Koshi is weird.

On June 27 2014 21:29 Koshi wrote:
Kush is scum and plays lazy
Robik is onto him and calls him out
Kush pretends to be still lazy while he is waiting for a fake role PM from Holyflare
Kush got the fake role PM and wants a fresh start

##vote: Kush


On June 27 2014 21:34 Koshi wrote:
On June 27 2014 21:31 kushm4sta wrote:
On June 27 2014 21:29 Koshi wrote:
Kush is scum and plays lazy
Robik is onto him and calls him out
Kush pretends to be still lazy while he is waiting for a fake role PM from Holyflare
Kush got the fake role PM and wants a fresh start

##vote: Kush


huh? what does the fake role PM have to do with anything..

it's a role pm not flavor pm. It would make no sense for the fake claims to all have different countries, since countries are irrelevant and that would be obvious gamebreaking. do you think HF is retarded?

Ah wait. That makes sense. The countries are irrelevant.

Still. I like my my idea. You scum.


Strong scum push on kush, retracts it, goes onto OO and then

On June 27 2014 22:40 Koshi wrote:
Note to self. I am so scummy that both OO and Vivax want to lynch me when 4 people haven't posted anything of worth. Impressive work Koshi.


condescends his way out of a push on him. nope.

##Unvote
##Vote: Koshi


Seems like he's voting thread sentiment imo. Whenever I make a post and vote somebody and someone else casually drops a vote like that it makes me very uneasy.

Show nested quote +
On June 28 2014 00:09 HaruRH wrote:
On June 27 2014 23:48 kushm4sta wrote:
@haru if you felt so strongly about koshi being scum then why did it take me asking about your scum reads to say anything about it?


Because I just woke up, read through the thread and saw that hilarious post by koshi. When you asked me for a read/lynch, I reread the thread a few times and I picked up on koshi.

Rainbows
Profile Joined March 2013
Germany1217 Posts
July 07 2014 02:44 GMT
#2365
On July 07 2014 11:41 Vivax wrote:
Hey rainbows, good you're here.

Just wanted to point out to you that the argument you used D1 on Haru here was bullshit, cause you said he was following YOUR sentiment, when he posted his stuff on Koshi before you.

Show nested quote +
On June 28 2014 00:35 Rainbows wrote:
All the pressure on Koshi, makes me not like Koshi lynch. Responded well to pressure. Don't like how Haru comes in and votes Koshi. First two quotes in his vote post mean nothing, the third is pretty meh.

On June 27 2014 23:25 HaruRH wrote:
Koshi is weird.

On June 27 2014 21:29 Koshi wrote:
Kush is scum and plays lazy
Robik is onto him and calls him out
Kush pretends to be still lazy while he is waiting for a fake role PM from Holyflare
Kush got the fake role PM and wants a fresh start

##vote: Kush


On June 27 2014 21:34 Koshi wrote:
On June 27 2014 21:31 kushm4sta wrote:
On June 27 2014 21:29 Koshi wrote:
Kush is scum and plays lazy
Robik is onto him and calls him out
Kush pretends to be still lazy while he is waiting for a fake role PM from Holyflare
Kush got the fake role PM and wants a fresh start

##vote: Kush


huh? what does the fake role PM have to do with anything..

it's a role pm not flavor pm. It would make no sense for the fake claims to all have different countries, since countries are irrelevant and that would be obvious gamebreaking. do you think HF is retarded?

Ah wait. That makes sense. The countries are irrelevant.

Still. I like my my idea. You scum.


Strong scum push on kush, retracts it, goes onto OO and then

On June 27 2014 22:40 Koshi wrote:
Note to self. I am so scummy that both OO and Vivax want to lynch me when 4 people haven't posted anything of worth. Impressive work Koshi.


condescends his way out of a push on him. nope.

##Unvote
##Vote: Koshi


Seems like he's voting thread sentiment imo. Whenever I make a post and vote somebody and someone else casually drops a vote like that it makes me very uneasy.

On June 28 2014 00:09 HaruRH wrote:
On June 27 2014 23:48 kushm4sta wrote:
@haru if you felt so strongly about koshi being scum then why did it take me asking about your scum reads to say anything about it?


Because I just woke up, read through the thread and saw that hilarious post by koshi. When you asked me for a read/lynch, I reread the thread a few times and I picked up on koshi.



Oh yeah, I remember that. General thread sentiment was leaning against Koshi if I remember. He posted right before me as I made my koshi post. Obviously he wasn't following my sentiment, but the fact that haru made that vote as I was writing made me not want to lynch him anymore.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22245 Posts
July 07 2014 02:48 GMT
#2366
Whenever I make a post and vote somebody and someone else casually drops a vote like that it makes me very uneasy.


But this reads as if you said he posted it after you voted Koshi.

but the fact that haru made that vote as I was writing made me not want to lynch him anymore.


But you voted him afterwards.
Rainbows
Profile Joined March 2013
Germany1217 Posts
July 07 2014 02:52 GMT
#2367
On July 07 2014 11:48 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
Whenever I make a post and vote somebody and someone else casually drops a vote like that it makes me very uneasy.


But this reads as if you said he posted it after you voted Koshi.

Show nested quote +
but the fact that haru made that vote as I was writing made me not want to lynch him anymore.


But you voted him afterwards.


I didn't see haru's post until after I posted my post. Of course I voted Koshi in my own koshi post, but I didn't know Haru made that post while writing my own post that I was about to post.
Rainbows
Profile Joined March 2013
Germany1217 Posts
July 07 2014 02:52 GMT
#2368
post
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22245 Posts
July 07 2014 02:53 GMT
#2369
Rainbows how comfortable are you with lynching Exo first today.
Rainbows
Profile Joined March 2013
Germany1217 Posts
July 07 2014 02:54 GMT
#2370
Linearly, if you can think about it this way, I realized Haru voted after I had already voted. So in my mind, I voted first, but Haru had dropped that vote on there and it made me uneasy as to my vote even though my post technically came later.
Rainbows
Profile Joined March 2013
Germany1217 Posts
July 07 2014 02:55 GMT
#2371
Vivax if you are town, and hopefully you are, and I'm putting all my eggs in one basket, then it's still a 50-50 shot for me.

And Haru might be modkilled, so it's almost a 100% shot.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22245 Posts
July 07 2014 02:56 GMT
#2372
On July 07 2014 11:52 Rainbows wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2014 11:48 Vivax wrote:
Whenever I make a post and vote somebody and someone else casually drops a vote like that it makes me very uneasy.


But this reads as if you said he posted it after you voted Koshi.

but the fact that haru made that vote as I was writing made me not want to lynch him anymore.


But you voted him afterwards.


I didn't see haru's post until after I posted my post. Of course I voted Koshi in my own koshi post, but I didn't know Haru made that post while writing my own post that I was about to post.


I don't get it.

You didn't see Haru's post untiil after you posted against Koshi or against Haru?
Reiterate for the other posts you're referencing pls.
Rainbows
Profile Joined March 2013
Germany1217 Posts
July 07 2014 02:57 GMT
#2373
On July 07 2014 11:56 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2014 11:52 Rainbows wrote:
On July 07 2014 11:48 Vivax wrote:
Whenever I make a post and vote somebody and someone else casually drops a vote like that it makes me very uneasy.


But this reads as if you said he posted it after you voted Koshi.

but the fact that haru made that vote as I was writing made me not want to lynch him anymore.


But you voted him afterwards.


I didn't see haru's post until after I posted my post. Of course I voted Koshi in my own koshi post, but I didn't know Haru made that post while writing my own post that I was about to post.


I don't get it.

You didn't see Haru's post untiil after you posted against Koshi or against Haru?
Reiterate for the other posts you're referencing pls.


I didn't see haru's ##Vote koshi post until after I posted my ##vote koshi post.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22245 Posts
July 07 2014 02:59 GMT
#2374
So you're saying you believed Haru's vote to have been placed after yours.
Weird that someone wouldn't notice the correct post timing, but I'll run with the explanation for now.
Rainbows
Profile Joined March 2013
Germany1217 Posts
July 07 2014 02:59 GMT
#2375
On June 27 2014 23:25 HaruRH wrote:
Koshi is weird.

Show nested quote +
On June 27 2014 21:29 Koshi wrote:
Kush is scum and plays lazy
Robik is onto him and calls him out
Kush pretends to be still lazy while he is waiting for a fake role PM from Holyflare
Kush got the fake role PM and wants a fresh start

##vote: Kush


Show nested quote +
On June 27 2014 21:34 Koshi wrote:
On June 27 2014 21:31 kushm4sta wrote:
On June 27 2014 21:29 Koshi wrote:
Kush is scum and plays lazy
Robik is onto him and calls him out
Kush pretends to be still lazy while he is waiting for a fake role PM from Holyflare
Kush got the fake role PM and wants a fresh start

##vote: Kush


huh? what does the fake role PM have to do with anything..

it's a role pm not flavor pm. It would make no sense for the fake claims to all have different countries, since countries are irrelevant and that would be obvious gamebreaking. do you think HF is retarded?

Ah wait. That makes sense. The countries are irrelevant.

Still. I like my my idea. You scum.


Strong scum push on kush, retracts it, goes onto OO and then

Show nested quote +
On June 27 2014 22:40 Koshi wrote:
Note to self. I am so scummy that both OO and Vivax want to lynch me when 4 people haven't posted anything of worth. Impressive work Koshi.


condescends his way out of a push on him. nope.

##Unvote
##Vote: Koshi


^ I didn't see this post, when I made this post:

On June 27 2014 23:35 Rainbows wrote:
Think a good heuristic for this game is to learn from TL Order which went spectacularly horribly. In terms of Kush, Kush is now confirmed mafia in Order and I've spent a decent time reading his filter in that game. If kush is mafia, he will hopefully show some of the same signals.

Koshi looks like mafia so far.

Show nested quote +
On June 27 2014 17:27 Koshi wrote:
On June 27 2014 17:11 Vivax wrote:
Some lemon juice and 2 spoons of sugar should do, Alfred.

Opinions on Robik's obsession with claims? Do you think it has the potential to give any benefit to either of the two factions?
Is mderg too lurky for his usual standard? (Oh hey, a new post, keep it up/ninjad)
Is kush derping indicative or not?

@ OO

When i was mafia and didn't read my role pm I still tried to figure out things the standard way in the beginning which still isn't the feeling I get from kush.

Who is this Alfred guy? Are you losing your mind Detective Vivax? It's me constable Koshi. It's ok, don't worry, use all your remaining brain cells to focus on catching the bad guys.

Robik is Robik. We lynch him if he doesn't perform. I am going to ignore his early game and see if he keeps it up in the later stages. I am reading his posts to see if anything really good is in it though. There hasn't been.

mderg dnu. He is pretty lurk always. I think meta will have to be used later the day. I would encourage Mderg to post more. Less than 1 page are extra mafia points.

Kush derped early game in normal ass mafia. Really thought he was scum there. But he wasn't. We shall have to watch him. Closely.


Vivax asks him for his reads on these three players, Koshi basically responds "we have to watch them". Vivax asked specifcally about the claiming country stuff robik did but doesn't comment on it just said there hasn't been any good things robik has said. I feel like town would come up with some conclusion based on either robik or kush at least.

Then Palmar makes case on vivax. koshi thoughts on case inc

Show nested quote +
On June 27 2014 19:10 Koshi wrote:
On June 27 2014 19:02 Vivax wrote:
Koshi, you should chime in.

Why are Palmar's arguments good?

Because they are true. You had many questions and as he pointed out you didn't have as much opinions.

Is it scummy? Possibly. I don't like how you went all angry and stuff. Just accept the case and move on. It wasn't a bad case. You should have told him off and went on hunting them scummers. At least I would have liked you to do that.

Is Palmar scummy? Not to me for this case, not at all. Only if he focussed you out while somebody else was doing the same thing. But even then. Palmar not scummy.


Doesn't come to a conclusion on vivax's actions. Does consider palmar 'not scummy', but only not scummy 'not for this case'. feels like wiggle room to call Palmar mafia in the future if it benefits him.

But this is more interesting imo:

Show nested quote +
On June 27 2014 18:28 Koshi wrote:
WoW. I bring Vivax a cold glass of water and instead of being all cool and smart he is angry and ignores me.


Vivax. It doesn't matter what this evul Plammer is saying to you. We can find the mafia. Ignore the Plammer. He is bad. Or he is mafia. Right? RIGHT?



Show nested quote +
On June 27 2014 18:20 Koshi wrote:
On June 27 2014 18:10 Vivax wrote:
Please don't be scum Koshi, it would be heartbreaking.

There is no dishonor in claiming scum to fight against the tyranny of hosts making us enemies in eternity.

If you aren't, we shall debate about the current subjects of interest. Even if you are it would be appreciated.

But let's await the wicked Icelander's deeds and postpone judgment in favour of insight.

I am not scum. I wouldn't lie to you Detective Vivax.

I am seeing this case on you, it's not bad, not bad at all. Is he a wannebe Vivax or an evul minion of Moriarty?


I'm confused. AT one point the case on Vivax is "not bad, not bad at all"

8 minutes later it is "Plammer is bad, or mafia". Seems like a drastic change of opinion. When vivax asks about Koshi's opinion on the case (quoted earlier), Koshi replies that the arguments are good 'because they are true'.

What does Koshi think? I can't tell. A lot of scatter opinions on the same topic of Palmar case. Reads scummy because, as town, he would know exactly how he thinks. As scum he tailors his opinion to the town. He also feels like he is buddying up to vivax in a lot of his posts which i only do if I have a hard townread on that person, but Koshi doesn't appear to have a super townread on Vivax, so why the buddying?

If that looks confusing I just woke up. Main point is that Koshi changes his opinion on Palmar case, goes from --> Case is not bad --> Palmar is bad, or mafia --> arguments are good because true, it wasn't a bad case. He also sidesteps a read on robik and buddys vivax.

##Vote: Koshi

evul koshi maf


They are 10 mins apart, and I wasn't f5ing and stuff so I didn't see his vote post.

After I made my vote post, I went back and looked at Haru's vote post, I didn't like it and it made me feel awkward about lynching Koshi.
Rainbows
Profile Joined March 2013
Germany1217 Posts
July 07 2014 03:03 GMT
#2376
On July 07 2014 11:59 Vivax wrote:
So you're saying you believed Haru's vote to have been placed after yours.
Weird that someone wouldn't notice the correct post timing, but I'll run with the explanation for now.


No, I KNEW Haru's vote was placed before mine. Gah it's confusing to explain.

In terms of realization, I realized that I had Koshi when making the post. Then I went back to read the thread after i posted and realized Haru voted for him badly (before me technically, but I hadn't realized it until then, after I had already voted.)

It's so hard to explain correctly lol.
Rainbows
Profile Joined March 2013
Germany1217 Posts
July 07 2014 03:04 GMT
#2377
and "haru was voting thread sentiment" was because OO had already OMGUS'd Koshi and it was thread sentiment to vote on either OO or Koshi.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22245 Posts
July 07 2014 03:11 GMT
#2378

They are 10 mins apart, and I wasn't f5ing and stuff so I didn't see his vote post.

After I made my vote post, I went back and looked at Haru's vote post, I didn't like it and it made me feel awkward about lynching Koshi.


F5ing stuff was irrelevant cause he posted it before you, you already f5d that into the game when you hit the post button.
You explicitly used the argument that he voted after you with weak arguments against Koshi.

I just find it an odd mistake to make, and the explanation is even odder.

Also I don't like it when people start only to argue based on possible scumteam combinations, based on connections, which is what you and Exo are doing, and what Poofter did.

Which is why I asked you about your opinion on lynching Exo. You dodged it by listing combinations, but I have yet to see your real read on him. Listing combinations is a comfortable way of pretending to solve the game without actually having to find arguments for people being scum.

I just find it very iffy how ExO abandoned you as scumread and accepted it so quickly that Cav gave you a town check, which is the reason I've started taking a closer look at you.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22245 Posts
July 07 2014 03:16 GMT
#2379
Then I went back to read the thread after i posted and realized Haru voted for him badly (before me technically, but I hadn't realized it until then, after I had already voted.)


After you had already voted Haru?
So that means you didn't realize he posted before you?

After you voted Koshi?
Then you wouldn't have written that Haru was scummy for posting vs Koshi after you.

See where my issue lies?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22245 Posts
July 07 2014 03:27 GMT
#2380
Or maybe I'm just being paranoid.

I got the feeling that no matter which filter I'm reading looking for scummy things, I start thinking that person is scum.
When I see some of Cav's posts D1 it shifts me back to him.
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