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slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
June 29 2014 05:21 GMT
#1681
Also packages was b/c I thought VE was cop, so I was curious to know the checks. Context is me trying to sneaky chat VE.

Chez we can still be team! I believe!
Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7466 Posts
June 29 2014 06:16 GMT
#1682
Yay! Also, I was just kidding about you being mafia. I was hoping the stuff I showed you would make you see Koshi a bit differently. Fun fact: Do you know what players have said plz in this game? Cause I don't remember. Would be interesting to know though. Also, Why didn't mafia kill you night 1?
lol, clueless in The Prism!
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
June 29 2014 06:22 GMT
#1683
I remember (just kidding I cheated).

I do not know why mafia didn't kill me. I'm guessing because I was defending mderg or maybe they were bluesniping?
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
June 29 2014 21:11 GMT
#1684
I've been playing this game all wrong.

##Unvote Koshi
##Vote YouKnowZhou


Koshi lynch / bus YKZ, you will be so cool.
YouKnowZhou
Profile Joined June 2014
United States262 Posts
June 29 2014 21:16 GMT
#1685
Sloosh, are you insane? Here's the cote coun t now:

Vote Count - Day 5:


Koshi (2): Chezinu, YKZ
YouKnowZhou (2): Release Slosh
Rekease (1): Koshi

and I'm pretty sure Kosh is leading to get lynched, but when you me and chez are not voting together, that means scum controls the lynch. You obviously think Chez is town, right? If you think I'm on a scumteam with apparently Release (since you don't want to lynch Koshi) that means that right now you, your "townread" Koshi, and Chezinu are all on different wagons. You should really be writing a more thought out / convincing case. Even YOU have to admit that just voting me in this circumstance is an awful move
Do no evilness because it is a small one; do not leave a small deed undone because it is just a petty one.
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
June 29 2014 21:17 GMT
#1686
Also, Chez, please kill YKZ, it will be more fun that way.

Also, I figured out why I wasn't dead n1.
Goodkarma -> Goodkarma -> Scum trying to spell Gosu. But they failed.
YouKnowZhou
Profile Joined June 2014
United States262 Posts
June 29 2014 21:19 GMT
#1687
On June 30 2014 06:17 slOosh wrote:
Also, Chez, please kill YKZ, it will be more fun that way.

Also, I figured out why I wasn't dead n1.
Goodkarma -> Goodkarma -> Scum trying to spell Gosu. But they failed.


Why aren't you trying to convince Koshi to vote for me? In your world he is also town

But more seriously dude here's what's gonna happen, in the last few seconds of the day koshi is gonna vote me. 100% it's the optimal move for him as scum easy win. The whole point here in lylo is we need all 3 townies voting together or else bullshit happens
Do no evilness because it is a small one; do not leave a small deed undone because it is just a petty one.
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
June 29 2014 21:20 GMT
#1688
So you didn't respond to my post but you were watching thread whole time? Ok.
YouKnowZhou
Profile Joined June 2014
United States262 Posts
June 29 2014 21:24 GMT
#1689
On June 30 2014 06:20 slOosh wrote:
So you didn't respond to my post but you were watching thread whole time? Ok.


Uh, yes. Don't you seem me posting in the other parts of TL Mafia right now?

Look dude I don't really have anything I can say to your post other than that you shouldn't be lynching into the damn green checks. Like, this all seems fairly obvious to me, but maybe I've missed something here. Chezinu is town, and we have 2 green checks. Let's lynch the remaining 2 guys? yes?
Do no evilness because it is a small one; do not leave a small deed undone because it is just a petty one.
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
June 29 2014 21:28 GMT
#1690
On June 25 2014 21:04 Koshi wrote:
WoW. the points in your case are all filler or bullshit. WoW BH...

1) With the first quote you should also add that in the start of the night I wanted to lynch VE. But then Artanis said something smart and I agreed with it and said SloOsh/LM was better. However, it is not that my VE suspicion on D3 came out of nowhere like you appear it to be.

2) So now were are quoting posts that make sense. Useful. This is 1/3rd of your case already and nothing happened.

3) You are not reading the thread BH, I explained why I asked that question to LM about VE. That entire "transition" moment in your case on me is wrong. Kinda sad because the reasoning for my question is in the thread. Halfway your case and still nothing.
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2014 04:47 Koshi wrote:
No wait. In his reads on N1 post LM said that his top scumreads were Koshi/VE and then after rereading D2 he said SloOsh/Koshi.

So I said "Why is VE mafia not mafia" because something must have happened in his rereading. Because he sticked to all his other reads but VE didn't get mentioned again. I wanted to see a reaction.

LM then dodged this question and his promised big post later he again to explain everything but then when he explained everything he against flipped SloOsh and VE around and was more scum on VE again and the reasons to why SloOsh was scum during his reread was minimized to "SloOsh is scum for being on the wrong wagon" and "general voting".


4) Yes, I followed your big case on VE. It was a good case. I also followed your case on mderg and it fueled that lynch. Is there a difference between how I followed this case and how I followed mderg case? Is there scum motivation? If it is the same, why were you town on me till it was clear VE or me were going to be lynched D3? Again. I also want to add I wanted to lynch VE before. This case just made my desire to lynch VE strong again. Like... What is scummy about this: I think x is scum ---> Somebody says x is not scum because y ----> I agree and say x is probably town ---> Somebody else says x is scum for reasons abcd ----> I think x is scum again. It shows town mindset imo and not scum.

5) Artanis wanted me to do something and because I couldn't add more to your VE case I wanted to make a general "how to win this game post". In this post I wanted to write quick reasons to why VE/LM/Sloosh were scum. When I got to LM his filter I quoted posts which showed he was clearly following the thread but choose not to comment on Mderg/VE but just kept pushing me. I got distracted from my original goal and pressed send when I was done with LM. Pretty sure I wanted to interact a bit around this case but it didn't happen. The part about VE was because I had VE/LM as most likely scumteam since I voted VE and it seemed less likely after reading LM filter. I AGREE that it was a bad post. You should think could town Koshi have made it? Pro-tip: The answer is yes.


Your case is bad BH. Try again? I want you to try again.

Koshi remember this? Please remember this.

KOSHI
YouKnowZhou
Profile Joined June 2014
United States262 Posts
June 29 2014 21:31 GMT
#1691
On June 30 2014 06:28 slOosh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2014 21:04 Koshi wrote:
WoW. the points in your case are all filler or bullshit. WoW BH...

1) With the first quote you should also add that in the start of the night I wanted to lynch VE. But then Artanis said something smart and I agreed with it and said SloOsh/LM was better. However, it is not that my VE suspicion on D3 came out of nowhere like you appear it to be.

2) So now were are quoting posts that make sense. Useful. This is 1/3rd of your case already and nothing happened.

3) You are not reading the thread BH, I explained why I asked that question to LM about VE. That entire "transition" moment in your case on me is wrong. Kinda sad because the reasoning for my question is in the thread. Halfway your case and still nothing.
On June 25 2014 04:47 Koshi wrote:
No wait. In his reads on N1 post LM said that his top scumreads were Koshi/VE and then after rereading D2 he said SloOsh/Koshi.

So I said "Why is VE mafia not mafia" because something must have happened in his rereading. Because he sticked to all his other reads but VE didn't get mentioned again. I wanted to see a reaction.

LM then dodged this question and his promised big post later he again to explain everything but then when he explained everything he against flipped SloOsh and VE around and was more scum on VE again and the reasons to why SloOsh was scum during his reread was minimized to "SloOsh is scum for being on the wrong wagon" and "general voting".


4) Yes, I followed your big case on VE. It was a good case. I also followed your case on mderg and it fueled that lynch. Is there a difference between how I followed this case and how I followed mderg case? Is there scum motivation? If it is the same, why were you town on me till it was clear VE or me were going to be lynched D3? Again. I also want to add I wanted to lynch VE before. This case just made my desire to lynch VE strong again. Like... What is scummy about this: I think x is scum ---> Somebody says x is not scum because y ----> I agree and say x is probably town ---> Somebody else says x is scum for reasons abcd ----> I think x is scum again. It shows town mindset imo and not scum.

5) Artanis wanted me to do something and because I couldn't add more to your VE case I wanted to make a general "how to win this game post". In this post I wanted to write quick reasons to why VE/LM/Sloosh were scum. When I got to LM his filter I quoted posts which showed he was clearly following the thread but choose not to comment on Mderg/VE but just kept pushing me. I got distracted from my original goal and pressed send when I was done with LM. Pretty sure I wanted to interact a bit around this case but it didn't happen. The part about VE was because I had VE/LM as most likely scumteam since I voted VE and it seemed less likely after reading LM filter. I AGREE that it was a bad post. You should think could town Koshi have made it? Pro-tip: The answer is yes.


Your case is bad BH. Try again? I want you to try again.

Koshi remember this? Please remember this.

KOSHI


Dude, Koshi's gonna vote for me anyways, because we're the only 2 real wagons. Even if Koshi were somehow town he'd vote for me because otherwise he gets lynched. Are you even paying attention?
Do no evilness because it is a small one; do not leave a small deed undone because it is just a petty one.
YouKnowZhou
Profile Joined June 2014
United States262 Posts
June 29 2014 21:36 GMT
#1692
Look Sloosh, the fact of the matter is, I was wrong on days 1 and 3, but I was right on 2 and 4. I was the only one who even put effort into trying to solve the game or push things forward on D4, and I have a green check from the confirmed cop. The fact that you're lynching me (and note, this is the 2nd green check we're lynching today) is simply awful. stop for a moment and take the outside view. It's the obs QT, and people are talking about what's going on. So far, town has lynched one of the green checks of the confirmed cop. Now they're lynching the 2nd green check. Everyone who has defended this guy is either dead or lynched (remember, BH's top strategy for nks besides shooting whoever looks towniest is shooting whoever wants to lynch him).

Now you can say that last bit is wifom, but trust me sloosh, if I were scum I'd have shot you long ago just to avoid situations like this. I'd probably have shot VE instead of trying to lynch him, and there's no way in hell I'd have shot chez, who lacks the leadership traits to really oppose me in thread. You have multiple times praised my scumplay and noted the various things I do as scum, but as scum I fucking shoot people who want to lynch me. Most people due stupid shit like hunt blues or try to wifom their shots. I pull no punches. I shoot anyone who wants to lynch me, and when they're dead people aren't smart enough to pick up on it.

Do you really think these NKs are the NKs I'd make?
Do no evilness because it is a small one; do not leave a small deed undone because it is just a petty one.
YouKnowZhou
Profile Joined June 2014
United States262 Posts
June 29 2014 21:57 GMT
#1693
Come on, sloosh, talk to me here. You can't be 100% sure I'm scum, so you have to talk to me.
Do no evilness because it is a small one; do not leave a small deed undone because it is just a petty one.
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
June 29 2014 22:11 GMT
#1694
I'm not 100% sure yes, but I am reasonably sure.

You still won't engage me in proper discussion on my terms and are setting up strawmans that don't really have anything to do with alignments. I'm not interested when "talking" means "distracting chatter".

YouKnowZhou
Profile Joined June 2014
United States262 Posts
June 29 2014 22:16 GMT
#1695
On June 30 2014 07:11 slOosh wrote:
I'm not 100% sure yes, but I am reasonably sure.

You still won't engage me in proper discussion on my terms and are setting up strawmans that don't really have anything to do with alignments. I'm not interested when "talking" means "distracting chatter".



Sloosh, why are you alive? Come on man, you know how I play as scum. why are you alive?
Do no evilness because it is a small one; do not leave a small deed undone because it is just a petty one.
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
June 29 2014 22:19 GMT
#1696
B/c I've been wrong a whole bunch of times? Seems straightforward.

And I actually have no idea how you play as scum, I'm just aware of the reputation that BH plays a decent scum game.
YouKnowZhou
Profile Joined June 2014
United States262 Posts
June 29 2014 22:24 GMT
#1697
On June 30 2014 07:19 slOosh wrote:
B/c I've been wrong a whole bunch of times? Seems straightforward.

And I actually have no idea how you play as scum, I'm just aware of the reputation that BH plays a decent scum game.


Well, not that you should trust people telling you about their own scum meta, but basically as scum I always ensure my team wins by shitting up the thread and getting people really really angry. I use my ability to make many posts and argue a lot to prevent town from playing constructively, and rely on the length of my filter to make myself look useful. Also, I aim my NK at people who suspect me, shooting the towniest, loudest people who don't like me. I'd never waste a shot on chezinu, and I'd never ever not shoot VE or you. A lot of what makes me good as scum is that I always shoot people who suspect me. This sounds like a dumb strategy, but by definition it makes it easier to survive. People might notice that everyone who had a strong scumread on me is dead, but they never draw conclusions, even though everyone is aware this is my top scum strategy.

It makes situations like lylo very easy. Amazingly, you're underestimating my scumplay by not assuming I'd just shoot you. Most poeple don't know how to use the nk.
Do no evilness because it is a small one; do not leave a small deed undone because it is just a petty one.
YouKnowZhou
Profile Joined June 2014
United States262 Posts
June 29 2014 22:29 GMT
#1698
Also, I'd never ever claim VT as scum. Surely you're aware of my huge reputation for fakeclaiming blue roles as scum? How I do it literally every game?

Look, look for just a moment here sloosh. since there's a green check on me you're assuming either 1) we have a framer or 2) we have a godfather. That means that I could claim, say, doctor, and show up as a doctor to rolecop checks if I were the gf or had a framer. If you think I'm scum, you think there's one of thos eroles. You KNOW that I ALWAYS claim blue. What better time to do it when I can RETURN blue to a rolecop check? Jesus christ man, think about it! If I were scum this would be the WORST possible game to NOT claim blue. And I claim VT right out th egate as scum?

No fucking way. Now, it turns out there was no rolecop but STILL if I were scum I couldn't know that.

I am LEGENDARY for claiming blue as scum. In your view, I'm either the gf or have a framer (or am a framer). So why would I throw away this, the BEST possible chance for claiming blue as scum, with a vt claim?
Do no evilness because it is a small one; do not leave a small deed undone because it is just a petty one.
Release
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4397 Posts
June 29 2014 22:36 GMT
#1699
On June 30 2014 06:36 YouKnowZhou wrote:
Look Sloosh, the fact of the matter is, I was wrong on days 1 and 3, but I was right on 2 and 4. I was the only one who even put effort into trying to solve the game or push things forward on D4, and I have a green check from the confirmed cop. The fact that you're lynching me (and note, this is the 2nd green check we're lynching today) is simply awful. stop for a moment and take the outside view. It's the obs QT, and people are talking about what's going on. So far, town has lynched one of the green checks of the confirmed cop. Now they're lynching the 2nd green check. Everyone who has defended this guy is either dead or lynched (remember, BH's top strategy for nks besides shooting whoever looks towniest is shooting whoever wants to lynch him).

Now you can say that last bit is wifom, but trust me sloosh, if I were scum I'd have shot you long ago just to avoid situations like this. I'd probably have shot VE instead of trying to lynch him, and there's no way in hell I'd have shot chez, who lacks the leadership traits to really oppose me in thread. You have multiple times praised my scumplay and noted the various things I do as scum, but as scum I fucking shoot people who want to lynch me. Most people due stupid shit like hunt blues or try to wifom their shots. I pull no punches. I shoot anyone who wants to lynch me, and when they're dead people aren't smart enough to pick up on it.

Do you really think these NKs are the NKs I'd make?


On June 30 2014 07:24 YouKnowZhou wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2014 07:19 slOosh wrote:
B/c I've been wrong a whole bunch of times? Seems straightforward.

And I actually have no idea how you play as scum, I'm just aware of the reputation that BH plays a decent scum game.


Well, not that you should trust people telling you about their own scum meta, but basically as scum I always ensure my team wins by shitting up the thread and getting people really really angry. I use my ability to make many posts and argue a lot to prevent town from playing constructively, and rely on the length of my filter to make myself look useful. Also, I aim my NK at people who suspect me, shooting the towniest, loudest people who don't like me. I'd never waste a shot on chezinu, and I'd never ever not shoot VE or you. A lot of what makes me good as scum is that I always shoot people who suspect me. This sounds like a dumb strategy, but by definition it makes it easier to survive. People might notice that everyone who had a strong scumread on me is dead, but they never draw conclusions, even though everyone is aware this is my top scum strategy.

It makes situations like lylo very easy. Amazingly, you're underestimating my scumplay by not assuming I'd just shoot you. Most poeple don't know how to use the nk.


Chez is not dead bro...
☺
YouKnowZhou
Profile Joined June 2014
United States262 Posts
June 29 2014 22:38 GMT
#1700
On June 30 2014 07:36 Release wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2014 06:36 YouKnowZhou wrote:
Look Sloosh, the fact of the matter is, I was wrong on days 1 and 3, but I was right on 2 and 4. I was the only one who even put effort into trying to solve the game or push things forward on D4, and I have a green check from the confirmed cop. The fact that you're lynching me (and note, this is the 2nd green check we're lynching today) is simply awful. stop for a moment and take the outside view. It's the obs QT, and people are talking about what's going on. So far, town has lynched one of the green checks of the confirmed cop. Now they're lynching the 2nd green check. Everyone who has defended this guy is either dead or lynched (remember, BH's top strategy for nks besides shooting whoever looks towniest is shooting whoever wants to lynch him).

Now you can say that last bit is wifom, but trust me sloosh, if I were scum I'd have shot you long ago just to avoid situations like this. I'd probably have shot VE instead of trying to lynch him, and there's no way in hell I'd have shot chez, who lacks the leadership traits to really oppose me in thread. You have multiple times praised my scumplay and noted the various things I do as scum, but as scum I fucking shoot people who want to lynch me. Most people due stupid shit like hunt blues or try to wifom their shots. I pull no punches. I shoot anyone who wants to lynch me, and when they're dead people aren't smart enough to pick up on it.

Do you really think these NKs are the NKs I'd make?


Show nested quote +
On June 30 2014 07:24 YouKnowZhou wrote:
On June 30 2014 07:19 slOosh wrote:
B/c I've been wrong a whole bunch of times? Seems straightforward.

And I actually have no idea how you play as scum, I'm just aware of the reputation that BH plays a decent scum game.


Well, not that you should trust people telling you about their own scum meta, but basically as scum I always ensure my team wins by shitting up the thread and getting people really really angry. I use my ability to make many posts and argue a lot to prevent town from playing constructively, and rely on the length of my filter to make myself look useful. Also, I aim my NK at people who suspect me, shooting the towniest, loudest people who don't like me. I'd never waste a shot on chezinu, and I'd never ever not shoot VE or you. A lot of what makes me good as scum is that I always shoot people who suspect me. This sounds like a dumb strategy, but by definition it makes it easier to survive. People might notice that everyone who had a strong scumread on me is dead, but they never draw conclusions, even though everyone is aware this is my top scum strategy.

It makes situations like lylo very easy. Amazingly, you're underestimating my scumplay by not assuming I'd just shoot you. Most poeple don't know how to use the nk.


Chez is not dead bro...


Oh, nice try pretending to forget who you shot lol. I'll play along! Remember: Chez was shot by scum N2, and saved by Artanis, the doctor. Get with the program, Release.
Do no evilness because it is a small one; do not leave a small deed undone because it is just a petty one.
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