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On June 24 2014 08:53 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2014 08:51 YouKnowZhou wrote:
Oh, come on. A guy can't just martyr a bunch and be like "hue hue you guys will look silly when I flip town" and have that be a towntell! What kind of stinking meta is this? Look, VE has, and listen to me about this, basically objectively played scummy about every major lynch in this game. He has faked anger, he has faked being afk, he has even posted a useless "Death reads" post that contains no new info and martyred for the past half hour. There's no way that this could possibly be a town VE. If he flips town I will PROVERBIALLY eat my hat.
I am very, very glad that we have Koshi as a counterwagon; he at least is likely to flip scum. But come on, guys, look at VE. He's so much scummier. omg. It doesn't matter if you think it's stinking meta, it's accurate. Since when do you care about the way in which someone gives off towntells? It's either accurate or it isn't, and I'm pretty sure it's accurate. The faking anger/afk thing is all projection and something you can't be certain of.
Yep. I'd rather win than whine about stinking meta. Go fucking vote Koshi.
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On June 24 2014 08:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote:I think those posts actually make Koshi a lot scummier than he was before though. That second post especially as he ends up making a case on Lazer but never votes him.
Yep, they suck. But he at least PUSHED his scum reads for the first time ever. Thats why I said he upped his posting.
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Okay, I'll go check some of his older games I guess.
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SlOosh read Koshi's filter early on. He didn't do shit. He did shit now. It wasn't very good but it was something.
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VE please. You may actually survive the day. Why are you still insisting on martyring?
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On June 24 2014 09:19 slOosh wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2014 09:16 Lazermonkey wrote:
SlOosh read Koshi's filter early on. He didn't do shit. He did shit now. It wasn't very good but it was something. I find it super hard to believe that a full 2 cycles worth of suspicion can so easily be suspended by those two posts you quoted.
Why is it so hard to read for you?
I first say that I'm uncertain on who I want to lynch between Koshi and VE. Then Koshi posts those two posts at the same time that VEs posts became super trash. Thats why I wrote the post.
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On June 24 2014 09:19 slOosh wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2014 09:16 Lazermonkey wrote:
SlOosh read Koshi's filter early on. He didn't do shit. He did shit now. It wasn't very good but it was something. I find it super hard to believe that a full 2 cycles worth of suspicion can so easily be suspended by those two posts you quoted.
Actually, even if I we imagine that your version is correct, why is this scummy?
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On June 24 2014 09:27 slOosh wrote:
D2, when he was super busy, the time he had he chose to pursue Koshi.
It is clear from his filter that nothing from N2 or D3 has impressed him thus far. However, when a VE wagon arises, Lazermonkey suddenly starts having qualms about lynching Koshi. When pressed for reasoning, he first refuses to quote the posts. When pressed again, he links them without explaining why. Furthermore it looks like he just grabbed random quotes from Koshi's filter, and really I don't see how it could possibly be enough to be like, "oh that Koshi read I've had for a super long time and I've wanted him dead for a super long time? Yea, nah I don't wanna vote him"
YEP THAT IS EXACTLY NOT WHAT I SAID BUT OKAY.
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So after a very small sample size of games (3) I don't really think I can draw any huge conclusions about VE meta. He was misslynched after being replaced as town in cell mafia and he seems to have been abit more helpfull. But circumstances are so completely different between those two games.
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I dunno. Kill VE or kill Koshi? Hard game.
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I'll leave the vote on Koshi I think. I really think scum VE would not play this way. Its just too suicidal.
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On June 24 2014 09:41 YouKnowZhou wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2014 09:39 Lazermonkey wrote:
I'll leave the vote on Koshi I think. I really think scum VE would not play this way. Its just too suicidal. Look man, VE has basically given up. He knows he is being lynched. He's setting the stage for scum #3 and he's trying to avoid giving away hints. Instead, he's just calling people bad, and trying to get a wagon going on anyone not him. It's perfect because it gives away no info, nothing useful to town. he's not too scummy to be scum, he's perfectly scummy to be scum.
Fuck it, you are probably right.
##Unvote
##Vote: VE
Goodnight VE.
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Inb4 Release calls me scum because of flip-flop btw.
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I'm kinda sad today because of the VE lynch. Will post alot tomorrow. If there are any questions then I will still be checking the thread for a few hours before I go to bed.
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On June 25 2014 08:24 Snickers wrote:
Yea I think it would be a lot better to lynch Lazermonkey because he forgot that he voted mderg day one. I already explained why I thought it was suspicious.
Yo Snickers. So I read this post about you saying that I was scum because I forgot I voted mderg. Are you familiar with the term "WIFOM"? Because that is what all of your argument boils down to...
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On June 25 2014 08:37 Snickers wrote:
Yea wine in front of me. Ebwop is edit by way of post. Fellow townie good karma told me a great website to look up terms.
YO lazer guess what the website said. That was one of the most misused terms.
So if I had to guess your wrong . Explain to me how your right.
Okey, you argument goes something like this:
1.Lazermonkey does some crazy shit, never seen anything like it.
2. You think of a really really wierd scenario where this move would make sense from a scum PoV.
3. GG
Your argument only makes me scum if you assume that I am scum to begin with. And even then its a super big leap of faith to say that the reason I said what I said was because my scum team mate said to me that I was going to vote Bunnies but that I forgot to.
Another explaination is that I am town and that I just forgot. For you, its obviously impossible to know which one of the alternatives that is correct (unless your scum ofc). But that is why you do not draw any conclusions from the fact that I forgot who I voted. You have really no idea why I did what I did.
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On June 25 2014 08:58 Release wrote:
You could read my other post.
A summary would be that he asked questions that are useful to town.
When others create chaos, his posts dissuade it.
He forms his own opinions.
Haven't seen anything particularly misleading/incriminating as we have seen from Mderg, VE (even though he flipped town, some of his play was less than consistent), YKZ, and Lazer (imo).
While this type of post are good for town, its really easy to make them as scum as well. I don't buy too much into it.
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Well, that sucks. I'm guessing that's why we had no nk N2. Sooo. Who did he save?
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On June 25 2014 09:03 Release wrote:GG. Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 09:00 Lazermonkey wrote:On June 25 2014 08:58 Release wrote:
You could read my other post.
A summary would be that he asked questions that are useful to town.
When others create chaos, his posts dissuade it.
He forms his own opinions.
Haven't seen anything particularly misleading/incriminating as we have seen from Mderg, VE (even though he flipped town, some of his play was less than consistent), YKZ, and Lazer (imo). While this type of post are good for town, its really easy to make them as scum as well. I don't buy too much into it. This is a summary of my other post. Artanis had trouble finding it. I'm not trying to pass this as new information, which you seem to be implying.
I am fully aware of that. Never implied anything though. Just saying that I think your reasoning for thinking SlOosh is town is flawed.
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