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slOosh
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slOosh
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On June 16 2014 17:25 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I find this discussion about YKZ/27nb and its origins really boring and I can't believe we've written so much about such bullshit. Biggest perpetrator of it is Release. He's just rehashed everything that's already said but made it more wordy. ##Vote Release Here is his first post, top of page 8. There are many unnatural things about this post. First is his complaining tone. We are only 5 pages in, and yet he calls it all "bullshit". It's totally out of place and unnatural. Then he moves away from it and blames Release. Two things here. One is that he does nothing to either comment on, or figure out said "bullshit". No reads or questions on either YKZ / 27nb. Nothing to try to figure either one out. Just a straight up dismissal of the whole thing, and moving on to someone else. Next is how he blames Release for it all. When I press him on this issue: On June 17 2014 03:11 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Release made a giant post about stuff that was really boring so I didn't get very far in it. The first part is definitely rehash. You're right in that he did add some original content afterwards though. Wordiness being alignment null is debatable but that debate wouldn't go anywhere so let's agree to disagree on that. Nothing but fluff. He doesn't offer any meaningful reason why Release is scum. Look at the backpedaling. "oh yea I guess he added content. I could argue that wordiness isn't alignment null but I won't". He doesn't really care to convince me or others why he finds Release scum. He just wants to put his vote somewhere to look like he is contributing. He dodges the question the first time around so I ask him again: On June 17 2014 03:26 Artanis[Xp] wrote: He's the perpetrator of the conversation continuing about that specific topic. Ridiculous. Release is trying to make sense of the debacle, and Artanis is overexaggerating, blaming him for "perpetrating" this "bullshit", while making no effort to either figure out the YKZ / bunnies thing himself, nor make clear how Release is scum for it. Just vague handwaving and avoiding the biggest discussion topic at the time. Artanis is unnatural, Artanis is apathetic, Artanis is scum. ##Vote Artanis[Xp] | ||
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slOosh
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On June 17 2014 06:36 27ninjabunnies wrote: YEs, I do. I just don't like the reasoning of Artanis not wanting to comment on either YKZ or me. I find this more townie, because he is looking for scum outside of us and trying to get reads outside of us. I'll break it down for you. Artanis isn't engaging in the topic of discussion, finding it non-productive, and trying to move on. He never engaged with it in the first place, and he is ignoring the whole thing. At the same time, he is blaming Release for the whole thing. Does this seem reasonable to you? | ||
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slOosh
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On June 17 2014 09:11 mderg wrote: I think Artanis´case on Release made sense but slooshs case on him also made sense even though it´s not that strong. The fact that he almost completely ignored the back and forth between YKZ and bunnies is slightly suspicious. But it´s true that the back and forth was repetitive and I don´t think there was anything that´s really scummy in it. I agree with his reason for scumreading bunnies, it´s something I´m also sumreading her for. Slight townread on him. What case? | ||
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slOosh
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His posts are consistent, and his notice of how people are reacting to Release is something that I felt too. | ||
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slOosh
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On June 17 2014 18:21 VisceraEyes wrote: So I wrote this big post about why I think slOosh is mafia because he thinks Artanis is mafia, but then as I started picking apart slOosh's reasoning I find that I'm really not so strongly feeling townie on Artanis, and that slOosh's reasoning is as bad as it was at first glance. So I removed the bit about Artanis and frankly it's not nearly as impressive. I've included it in a spoiler because I'm still tentatively scummy on slOosh, but the crux of my argument is garbage and the rest can possibly be just me misreading slOosh's intention or whatever. Would probably vote for slOosh if he said nothing more today, but right now I'm looking elsewhere because I don't really find my case super convincing myself. I maintain that he doesn't /feel/ town to me, but concede that it's quite possible that I'm just wrong here. + Show Spoiler + Why slOosh is Mafia Early on his play can be categorized as asking a lot of questions. A lot of questions. This is okay I guess, if you take his probing as a means to get reads on players. However, the problem I have is that all through his filter, ne'ry is there a read on anyone involved in the early game. He can be seen defending a couple of players...which I don't find to be particularly indicative either way, but it always seems to come with an out too so meh. Ultimately we've got: +- Asking a lot of early questions that don't seem to go anywhere. +- Defending players before they can defend themselves. - Never gives reads on players involved in early game, in spite of interacting with many of them through various questions. - In spite of posting a fair amount, doesn't feel town For now I want to hear what slOosh has to say before voting for him, but we'll call him my top scumread for the sake of argument. As for other players, as always I absolutely refuse to read BH this cycle. Chez seems to be Chez, which means he'll be alive until we lynch him regardless of his alignment. I'd like to see where this Artanis/slOosh stuff goes. I'm now kinda townreading Release now that he's proven a proclivity toward verbosity in all matters. mgerg is more guilty of rehashing than Release ever was, and in a way I find to be far more scummy. I think based on his (presumably only) D1 post that he's my favorite lynch today. I find his entire post to be wishywashy and diplomatic and scummy, and considering it may be all we get from him this cycle I'm fine with lynching him. ##Vote: mderg From You Only Shoot Once (first game that popped up) On April 28 2014 03:44 VisceraEyes wrote: I might like a BH lynch the most at present. On April 28 2014 03:46 VisceraEyes wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: Blazinghand On April 28 2014 04:19 Hapahauli wrote: Vote Count! Palmar (3) - Caller (1) - Geript (1) - VisceraEyes (2) - Caller, strongandbig prplhz (immune) (0) - strongandbig (6) - Foolishness, Alakaslam, Geript, Palmar, Koshi, Oatsmaster, Cephiro (1) - prplhz Foolishness (1) - Sandroba Oatsmaster (1) - Austinmcc Blazinghand (1) - VisceraEyes until lynch. 12 votes are needed to lynch. VE is extremely backseat and content to watch the town do it's own thing, making up excuses not to give reads / do anything. ##Unvote Artanis[Xp] ##Vote VisceraEyes | ||
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slOosh
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On June 18 2014 04:58 YouKnowZhou wrote: I still do not understand the mderg case. Can someone explain succinctly for me? No. Thoughts on VisceraEyes? | ||
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slOosh
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On June 18 2014 05:14 goodkarma wrote: FYI: VE was town in the game you referenced. From what I've seen in his meta he's been more active and involved as both town and scum in prior games. So, is there some kind of meta analysis you've done that's determined he'd be more likely to behave like this as scum than as town? I'm citing the game as an example in which he read BH and voted him first. This game VE claimed "as always I absolutely refuse to read BH this cycle", presumably as some sort of policy. It looks like an excuse not to give reads on BH. | ||
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slOosh
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On June 18 2014 05:09 Artanis[Xp] wrote: YKZ: No idea, it's BH. Leaning scum on bunnies. Not sure if I want to vote bunnies or mderg. I don't like both bunnies and ykz's reason for townreading me but bunnies seems a lot more set on it for shaky grounds. Also don't like how she keeps pushing the unflipped associations thing, saying it's because of video mafia even though she's played a decent amount of forum mafia since then. Mderg is mostly a case of adding nothing to the conversation. That he thought my case made sense but didn't comment on goodkarma's much better post is something I don't understand either. I'm actually happy that Lazer stepped up to defend him because a lynch without opposition is generally bad for town. I don't think it's likely mafia would roll over and die with such a relatively inactive town that they'll just throw away a member on D1. I could lynch either of them atm. Ehh I've been leaning against YKZ the whole time. He brought up Oats as a possible lurker lynch when people were considering mderg, and his "what's this mderg stuff about" looks like he wants other people to talk about it more, but isn't interested in bringing it up himself. Furthermore, there's no actual effort to convince people that bunnies is scum and we should be lynching her. His whole D1 gambit was to catch bunnies, and he already gave up on it. | ||
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slOosh
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On June 18 2014 05:23 Artanis[Xp] wrote: slOosh is that really all you're going to do to try and get your main suspect killed? I assume you are talking about VisceraEyes. If it isn't clear, I'm still trying to figure out what's the best lynch and I don't feel very strongly about it yet. Hence the discussion about other people. | ||
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slOosh
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On June 17 2014 14:48 YouKnowZhou wrote: As far as I can see, I see no reason not to lynch her, and as far as I can see, I don't see why you don't see a reason not to lynch her. I don't see how he gave up on it in terms of stances. He gave up in convincing people which is my point. | ||
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slOosh
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Bunnies has had a poor showing after her consideration of YKZ town, and has not offered any meaningful scum reads. Best I could find is "I'm a bit iffy on snickers". VE ... I still think there's a good chance he is mafia. No real reads and very laidback. | ||
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slOosh
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##Unvote VisceraEyes ##Vote 27ninjabunnies I think the unofficial vote count right now is: Vote Count - Day 1: YouKnowZhou (1): Release 27ninjabunnies (4): YouKnowZhou, mderg, Artanis[Xp], slOosh mderg (3): VisceraEyes, Snickers, Chezinu VisceraEyes (1) : Lazermonkey Currently Not Voting (3): goodkarma, Koshi, 27ninjabunnies Currently 27ninjabunnies is set to be lynched with 4 votes! Day will end in | ||
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slOosh
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On June 18 2014 09:07 Koshi wrote: I always lose when I replace. Any scum reads? On June 18 2014 09:08 YouKnowZhou wrote: Well, that didn't go well. I think we all know who is at fault here, even if it was an honest mistake. I think it's important to remember that anyone can be wrong, and can screw up, even if they're trying to do their best, and we all make mistakes, right guys? No need to go finger-pointing here, so I'll start off with an apology. On behalf of 27nb, who can't post in the thread any more, I apologize for playing like scum and getting lynched D1. I don't think we need to continue blaming 27nb, the sole party at fault for this mislynch, because that wouldn't be productive. Let's move forwards and do our best to win, despite the massively scummy town play from 27nb. Read on VisceraEyes? On June 18 2014 11:31 Snickers wrote: look at my 2nd page filter. I explained why he should be lynched. I feel like very few people actually read the whole thread.... and to koshi I would not worry about that now everyone is saying one thing while i was saying they were twisting my idea. And someone mentioned vigilante killing me. first off only one person "maybe" is the vigilante. I highly doubt vigilante would go for me. No one has actually made a case for me. No one even voted for me at any moment. People have literally only wrote small paragraphs mentioning what they overall thought my alignment was. Snickers, could you comment on VisceraEyes? How do you feel about his actions? | ||
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slOosh
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On June 18 2014 23:24 VisceraEyes wrote: slOosh can you maybe give me your read on mderg? He was a counterwagon yesterday and all this VE talk is pretty fucking annoying considering you never really even considered lynching mderg. On June 18 2014 04:25 slOosh wrote: I don't think mderg is a good lynch. His posts are consistent, and his notice of how people are reacting to Release is something that I felt too. If you have specific things in his filter that you want to talk about, great, let's do that, but you will need to clarify what exactly you have problems with. I understand if you want to play a more laid back style of play, but if you want me to back off, give me something to work with, otherwise there's no reason for me to stop. I think that based on how D1 went down, scum weren't in much danger of getting lynched, as I think mderg is town. In this position, scum tend to be lazy / laid back. In some sense lurkers who drop by to keep up appearances, but not really care about where the lynch lands. VE your profile fits this. Again, if you want me to back off, give me something to work with. | ||
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slOosh
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On June 19 2014 05:22 VisceraEyes wrote: This post here illustrates succinctly my thoughts on mderg's post. He made a comeback post with a half-baked excuse for why he was gone and placed a vote and said "MAYBE I'll be back" or "HOPEFULLY I'll be back" or whatever. It's textbook scum play man, fly under the radar, don't ruffle feathers, place a vote to not get modkilled and hope no one pays any attention to you. Obviously it didn't work because the post in question was fairly scummy by itself, but the way he reacted to the pressure when he got back is pretty telling imo. Whatever happened to your Artanis read slOosh? Did you flip on him because he apparently flipped on me or something? What's going on there? I'm townreading Artanis. My initial suspicions on him stemmed from my strong town read on Release but his reaction to my case, his backing off of Release and his general followup during D1 seemed quite reasonable. What is your interpretation of D1 and where do you think scum are? | ||
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slOosh
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On June 19 2014 06:33 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I'm here if anyone wants to ask me any questions before nighttime ends. Do you agree with my interpretation of how D1 played out or do you have a different opinion? | ||
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