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On June 29 2014 06:24 Chezinu wrote:"Pride goes before destruction, a haughty spirit before a fall."
Today is Day 5. It was once said that Day 5 is key. But is it key to destruction or key to victory?
It is the key to the locked closet of my heart. Tell me, Chezinu, what exactly about VE flipping town indicated to you that all scum were on 27nb? I am having trouble making the connection.
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On June 29 2014 06:26 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2014 06:25 YouKnowZhou wrote:On June 29 2014 06:24 Chezinu wrote:"Pride goes before destruction, a haughty spirit before a fall."
Today is Day 5. It was once said that Day 5 is key. But is it key to destruction or key to victory? It is the key to the locked closet of my heart. Tell me, Chezinu, what exactly about VE flipping town indicated to you that all scum were on 27nb? I am having trouble making the connection. Nothing absolutely nothing. MUHAHAHHAHAHHA!!! Ok. Then, let's talk about release, the only living non-voter of 27nb.
Here's my chez tier tldr:
On June 28 2014 14:55 YouKnowZhou wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2014 10:33 Chezinu wrote: PS: Can I have another tldr Chez tier? Cause yeah... I won't read.. I never read snicker's block either.
>Release' D1 vote opts out of the discourse. It's also unlikely all scum voted 27nb D1. Release voted "not 27nb" but also voted "not mderg" (you'd expect at least 1 scum not to be on that 27nb wagon, since not all 3 were needed to save mderg; every player currently alive voted for 27nb day 1 except release, who voted ykz) >Release vote on mderg D2 makes sense as a bus. Release voted YKZ D1, but on D2 he moves to mderg even though it's between YKZ and mderg. Also, for a while it was between YKZ and all kinds of other players >Release ignores and basically doesn't engage with the dying LM despite being in thread >Some Process of Elimination stuff: Don't lynch BH/Sloosh because of green checks; don't lynch chez. Between Koshi and Release Release makes more sense since he wasn't on the 27nb wagon D1
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On June 29 2014 06:32 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2014 06:29 YouKnowZhou wrote:On June 29 2014 06:26 Chezinu wrote:On June 29 2014 06:25 YouKnowZhou wrote:On June 29 2014 06:24 Chezinu wrote:"Pride goes before destruction, a haughty spirit before a fall."
Today is Day 5. It was once said that Day 5 is key. But is it key to destruction or key to victory? It is the key to the locked closet of my heart. Tell me, Chezinu, what exactly about VE flipping town indicated to you that all scum were on 27nb? I am having trouble making the connection. Nothing absolutely nothing. MUHAHAHHAHAHHA!!! Ok. Then, let's talk about release, the only living non-voter of 27nb. Here's my chez tier tldr: On June 28 2014 14:55 YouKnowZhou wrote:On June 28 2014 10:33 Chezinu wrote: PS: Can I have another tldr Chez tier? Cause yeah... I won't read.. I never read snicker's block either.
>Release' D1 vote opts out of the discourse. It's also unlikely all scum voted 27nb D1. Release voted "not 27nb" but also voted "not mderg" (you'd expect at least 1 scum not to be on that 27nb wagon, since not all 3 were needed to save mderg; every player currently alive voted for 27nb day 1 except release, who voted ykz) >Release vote on mderg D2 makes sense as a bus. Release voted YKZ D1, but on D2 he moves to mderg even though it's between YKZ and mderg. Also, for a while it was between YKZ and all kinds of other players >Release ignores and basically doesn't engage with the dying LM despite being in thread >Some Process of Elimination stuff: Don't lynch BH/Sloosh because of green checks; don't lynch chez. Between Koshi and Release Release makes more sense since he wasn't on the 27nb wagon D1 I never knowingly played with release before. But I have played with Koshi. I had red/blue read on Koshi earlier in the game. Especially, when he mentioned the comment about town only having a doctor. I then fakeclaimed to draw him out. He didn't call me out.
Koshi's lurkiness and silence then in your opinion was either an attempt to dodge shots (as a blue) or because he was scum, based on your experience with typical Koshi. Since after 2 cop claims and a dead doc he didn't cc, it means he's not blue, so he must be scum. the Red/Blue read is based on his lack of contribution in general?
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Sloosh, are you insane? Here's the cote coun t now:
Vote Count - Day 5:
Koshi (2): Chezinu, YKZ YouKnowZhou (2): Release Slosh Rekease (1): Koshi
and I'm pretty sure Kosh is leading to get lynched, but when you me and chez are not voting together, that means scum controls the lynch. You obviously think Chez is town, right? If you think I'm on a scumteam with apparently Release (since you don't want to lynch Koshi) that means that right now you, your "townread" Koshi, and Chezinu are all on different wagons. You should really be writing a more thought out / convincing case. Even YOU have to admit that just voting me in this circumstance is an awful move
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On June 30 2014 06:17 slOosh wrote: Also, Chez, please kill YKZ, it will be more fun that way.
Also, I figured out why I wasn't dead n1. Goodkarma -> Goodkarma -> Scum trying to spell Gosu. But they failed.
Why aren't you trying to convince Koshi to vote for me? In your world he is also town
But more seriously dude here's what's gonna happen, in the last few seconds of the day koshi is gonna vote me. 100% it's the optimal move for him as scum easy win. The whole point here in lylo is we need all 3 townies voting together or else bullshit happens
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On June 30 2014 06:20 slOosh wrote: So you didn't respond to my post but you were watching thread whole time? Ok.
Uh, yes. Don't you seem me posting in the other parts of TL Mafia right now?
Look dude I don't really have anything I can say to your post other than that you shouldn't be lynching into the damn green checks. Like, this all seems fairly obvious to me, but maybe I've missed something here. Chezinu is town, and we have 2 green checks. Let's lynch the remaining 2 guys? yes?
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On June 30 2014 06:28 slOosh wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 21:04 Koshi wrote:WoW. the points in your case are all filler or bullshit. WoW BH... 1) With the first quote you should also add that in the start of the night I wanted to lynch VE. But then Artanis said something smart and I agreed with it and said SloOsh/LM was better. However, it is not that my VE suspicion on D3 came out of nowhere like you appear it to be. 2) So now were are quoting posts that make sense. Useful. This is 1/3rd of your case already and nothing happened. 3) You are not reading the thread BH, I explained why I asked that question to LM about VE. That entire "transition" moment in your case on me is wrong. Kinda sad because the reasoning for my question is in the thread. Halfway your case and still nothing. On June 25 2014 04:47 Koshi wrote: No wait. In his reads on N1 post LM said that his top scumreads were Koshi/VE and then after rereading D2 he said SloOsh/Koshi.
So I said "Why is VE mafia not mafia" because something must have happened in his rereading. Because he sticked to all his other reads but VE didn't get mentioned again. I wanted to see a reaction.
LM then dodged this question and his promised big post later he again to explain everything but then when he explained everything he against flipped SloOsh and VE around and was more scum on VE again and the reasons to why SloOsh was scum during his reread was minimized to "SloOsh is scum for being on the wrong wagon" and "general voting". 4) Yes, I followed your big case on VE. It was a good case. I also followed your case on mderg and it fueled that lynch. Is there a difference between how I followed this case and how I followed mderg case? Is there scum motivation? If it is the same, why were you town on me till it was clear VE or me were going to be lynched D3? Again. I also want to add I wanted to lynch VE before. This case just made my desire to lynch VE strong again. Like... What is scummy about this: I think x is scum ---> Somebody says x is not scum because y ----> I agree and say x is probably town ---> Somebody else says x is scum for reasons abcd ----> I think x is scum again. It shows town mindset imo and not scum. 5) Artanis wanted me to do something and because I couldn't add more to your VE case I wanted to make a general "how to win this game post". In this post I wanted to write quick reasons to why VE/LM/Sloosh were scum. When I got to LM his filter I quoted posts which showed he was clearly following the thread but choose not to comment on Mderg/VE but just kept pushing me. I got distracted from my original goal and pressed send when I was done with LM. Pretty sure I wanted to interact a bit around this case but it didn't happen. The part about VE was because I had VE/LM as most likely scumteam since I voted VE and it seemed less likely after reading LM filter. I AGREE that it was a bad post. You should think could town Koshi have made it? Pro-tip: The answer is yes. Your case is bad BH. Try again? I want you to try again. Koshi remember this? Please remember this. KOSHI
Dude, Koshi's gonna vote for me anyways, because we're the only 2 real wagons. Even if Koshi were somehow town he'd vote for me because otherwise he gets lynched. Are you even paying attention?
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Look Sloosh, the fact of the matter is, I was wrong on days 1 and 3, but I was right on 2 and 4. I was the only one who even put effort into trying to solve the game or push things forward on D4, and I have a green check from the confirmed cop. The fact that you're lynching me (and note, this is the 2nd green check we're lynching today) is simply awful. stop for a moment and take the outside view. It's the obs QT, and people are talking about what's going on. So far, town has lynched one of the green checks of the confirmed cop. Now they're lynching the 2nd green check. Everyone who has defended this guy is either dead or lynched (remember, BH's top strategy for nks besides shooting whoever looks towniest is shooting whoever wants to lynch him).
Now you can say that last bit is wifom, but trust me sloosh, if I were scum I'd have shot you long ago just to avoid situations like this. I'd probably have shot VE instead of trying to lynch him, and there's no way in hell I'd have shot chez, who lacks the leadership traits to really oppose me in thread. You have multiple times praised my scumplay and noted the various things I do as scum, but as scum I fucking shoot people who want to lynch me. Most people due stupid shit like hunt blues or try to wifom their shots. I pull no punches. I shoot anyone who wants to lynch me, and when they're dead people aren't smart enough to pick up on it.
Do you really think these NKs are the NKs I'd make?
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Come on, sloosh, talk to me here. You can't be 100% sure I'm scum, so you have to talk to me.
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On June 30 2014 07:11 slOosh wrote: I'm not 100% sure yes, but I am reasonably sure.
You still won't engage me in proper discussion on my terms and are setting up strawmans that don't really have anything to do with alignments. I'm not interested when "talking" means "distracting chatter".
Sloosh, why are you alive? Come on man, you know how I play as scum. why are you alive?
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On June 30 2014 07:19 slOosh wrote: B/c I've been wrong a whole bunch of times? Seems straightforward.
And I actually have no idea how you play as scum, I'm just aware of the reputation that BH plays a decent scum game.
Well, not that you should trust people telling you about their own scum meta, but basically as scum I always ensure my team wins by shitting up the thread and getting people really really angry. I use my ability to make many posts and argue a lot to prevent town from playing constructively, and rely on the length of my filter to make myself look useful. Also, I aim my NK at people who suspect me, shooting the towniest, loudest people who don't like me. I'd never waste a shot on chezinu, and I'd never ever not shoot VE or you. A lot of what makes me good as scum is that I always shoot people who suspect me. This sounds like a dumb strategy, but by definition it makes it easier to survive. People might notice that everyone who had a strong scumread on me is dead, but they never draw conclusions, even though everyone is aware this is my top scum strategy.
It makes situations like lylo very easy. Amazingly, you're underestimating my scumplay by not assuming I'd just shoot you. Most poeple don't know how to use the nk.
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Also, I'd never ever claim VT as scum. Surely you're aware of my huge reputation for fakeclaiming blue roles as scum? How I do it literally every game?
Look, look for just a moment here sloosh. since there's a green check on me you're assuming either 1) we have a framer or 2) we have a godfather. That means that I could claim, say, doctor, and show up as a doctor to rolecop checks if I were the gf or had a framer. If you think I'm scum, you think there's one of thos eroles. You KNOW that I ALWAYS claim blue. What better time to do it when I can RETURN blue to a rolecop check? Jesus christ man, think about it! If I were scum this would be the WORST possible game to NOT claim blue. And I claim VT right out th egate as scum?
No fucking way. Now, it turns out there was no rolecop but STILL if I were scum I couldn't know that.
I am LEGENDARY for claiming blue as scum. In your view, I'm either the gf or have a framer (or am a framer). So why would I throw away this, the BEST possible chance for claiming blue as scum, with a vt claim?
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On June 30 2014 07:36 Release wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2014 06:36 YouKnowZhou wrote: Look Sloosh, the fact of the matter is, I was wrong on days 1 and 3, but I was right on 2 and 4. I was the only one who even put effort into trying to solve the game or push things forward on D4, and I have a green check from the confirmed cop. The fact that you're lynching me (and note, this is the 2nd green check we're lynching today) is simply awful. stop for a moment and take the outside view. It's the obs QT, and people are talking about what's going on. So far, town has lynched one of the green checks of the confirmed cop. Now they're lynching the 2nd green check. Everyone who has defended this guy is either dead or lynched (remember, BH's top strategy for nks besides shooting whoever looks towniest is shooting whoever wants to lynch him).
Now you can say that last bit is wifom, but trust me sloosh, if I were scum I'd have shot you long ago just to avoid situations like this. I'd probably have shot VE instead of trying to lynch him, and there's no way in hell I'd have shot chez, who lacks the leadership traits to really oppose me in thread. You have multiple times praised my scumplay and noted the various things I do as scum, but as scum I fucking shoot people who want to lynch me. Most people due stupid shit like hunt blues or try to wifom their shots. I pull no punches. I shoot anyone who wants to lynch me, and when they're dead people aren't smart enough to pick up on it.
Do you really think these NKs are the NKs I'd make? Show nested quote +On June 30 2014 07:24 YouKnowZhou wrote:On June 30 2014 07:19 slOosh wrote: B/c I've been wrong a whole bunch of times? Seems straightforward.
And I actually have no idea how you play as scum, I'm just aware of the reputation that BH plays a decent scum game. Well, not that you should trust people telling you about their own scum meta, but basically as scum I always ensure my team wins by shitting up the thread and getting people really really angry. I use my ability to make many posts and argue a lot to prevent town from playing constructively, and rely on the length of my filter to make myself look useful. Also, I aim my NK at people who suspect me, shooting the towniest, loudest people who don't like me. I'd never waste a shot on chezinu, and I'd never ever not shoot VE or you. A lot of what makes me good as scum is that I always shoot people who suspect me. This sounds like a dumb strategy, but by definition it makes it easier to survive. People might notice that everyone who had a strong scumread on me is dead, but they never draw conclusions, even though everyone is aware this is my top scum strategy. It makes situations like lylo very easy. Amazingly, you're underestimating my scumplay by not assuming I'd just shoot you. Most poeple don't know how to use the nk. Chez is not dead bro...
Oh, nice try pretending to forget who you shot lol. I'll play along! Remember: Chez was shot by scum N2, and saved by Artanis, the doctor. Get with the program, Release.
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On June 30 2014 07:44 Release wrote: Artanis never claimed to save Chez
Oh come on, are you kidding me? Artanis listed Chez as his top townread the night after, right before he died with NO explanation. He obviously saved Chez.
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My god, I was so dumb to lynch VE. Yes, he wanted to lynch me, but at least he'd understand not to lynch down the list of green checks and he'd realize that Artanis obviously crumbed his save on chez. Oh VE, what have I done? My dearest friend. Everyone I lynch turns to dirt in the end
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On June 30 2014 07:54 Release wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2014 07:49 YouKnowZhou wrote:On June 30 2014 07:44 Release wrote: Artanis never claimed to save Chez Oh come on, are you kidding me? Artanis listed Chez as his top townread the night after, right before he died with NO explanation. He obviously saved Chez. here"There's also one comment in his filter that makes me near certain that he's town." Aka Chezinu's filter, not Artanis's. This implies that Artanis did not save Chezinu; otherwise, it would be a breadcrumb in Artanis's filter that would cause Chezinu to be "near certain ... town"
His TOP townread! Look, whoever artanis saved was literally confirmed town to artanis, right? So that would be his TOP townread! I don't even know why I'm arguing this with you, actually; you're scum. The only person whose opinion matters is Sloosh. You and Koshi can vote how you want, I need to make sure me chez and sloosh vote together.
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Sloosh, ok, you think I'm the gf or have a framer, right? why would I claim VT? I LOVE claiming blue as scum. I ALWAYS do it. you know that. This would be the perfect game for it, a game that might have a rolecop
Why would I spend all my time pushing discussion forward when I thought I was dying, or when LM was gonna die? ugh
everyone competent except for me is dead, and koshi will be back at the deadline to vote me
what a game
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On June 30 2014 08:46 slOosh wrote:Man ... if I didn't switch we'd be lynching BH
I am thoroughly convinced that Koshi will be back in the final seconds of the day to lynch me
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Jelly much? Oh, looks like I win again, foolish town! Knowingly, you let me seize control of this game. Even with all your efforts, you couldn't stop the greatest scum player on TL Mafia!
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