Detention Mafia

On May 27 2014 11:38 jabberwockzerg wrote:
I don't quite follow your logic. You put me on mafia last game, and I screwed up about if that was posted or not, but that makes me mafia this game? No comprende

On May 27 2014 11:19 jabberwockzerg wrote:
Both of you make a fair point, but I agree with bunnies.
If he's lurking (he probably is) he'll be quick to post something, which we can further use as more information comes to light

On May 27 2014 11:20 jabberwockzerg wrote:
Counter point: he could have been super into last game because he was mafia, and isn't as into being vanilla town.

On May 27 2014 11:21 jabberwockzerg wrote:
Definitely leaving towards scum though

On May 27 2014 11:56 HaruRH wrote:


I think that doing anything else other than leaving the subject as it is will make you an even likelier target for scrumm. Change the topic quickly

On May 27 2014 15:31 fuba wrote:
But the last game was Classroom, the game that got remade. And since jabber was scum in that game, he knew that Chrom wasn't. Which means that he knew chrom wasn't scum, but suggested that possibility anyway. While I can't give an exact reason for scum|jabber to lie, I don't see any reason for town|jabber to.

...Though now that I think of it, unless the scumteam is the exact three people it was last time, then jabber would be incredibly unlikely to intentionally lie about who was on it, since at least one scum from last game would be town this game and would point out that he's lying. So either this was just a mistake on his part or I'm misunderstanding some part of the interaction. Either way, I'm pretty sure I've talked myself out of this...

##Unvote

On May 27 2014 11:50 jabberwockzerg wrote:

Clearing this up, I didn't mean mafia specifically, just non vanilla. Was this bad wording? Yes. Stupid of me? Yes. Learning experience, definitely

On May 28 2014 04:00 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Assume jwz is town. Why would he push a case on chromatically that makes no sense? He knows that chrom wasn't mafia.
His case is invalid.

On May 27 2014 11:22 sqrtofneg1 wrote:

Nope. Last game, you, amiko, and epi was mafia.
Zat counter point is invalid.

On May 28 2014 05:15 Amiko wrote:


Could you clarify - are you suggesting that
(1) sqrt changed his mind from town to scum? or
(2) that sqrt changed his mind from neutral to scum?

Please also clarify if you feel sqrt would be a good lynch alternative to jabberwockzerg

On May 28 2014 05:26 sqrtofneg1 wrote:

The fact that his post here:

Doesn't make any sense from a town perspective.

On May 28 2014 05:27 27ninjabunnies wrote:


So the thing about sqrt, is he does this a lot in the games I have played with him, which he has been town in all of them.

He'll vote on someone with very little justification, and will only give his read on a person when asked for it. I found it super scummy within the first games, but now ive kinda just gone with it.

On May 28 2014 05:35 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
I think that his slip is the strongest point against him so far.

On May 28 2014 05:53 27ninjabunnies wrote:


Im not against meta. When have I said I was against meta?

I notice things in games Ive played with people, but I don't necessarily agree with the things I notice.

Sqrt hasn't done anything to make me think he's not town.

Im not sure what you mean about his justification not being consistent, do you mind pointing this out?

On May 28 2014 05:11 Chromatically wrote:

I think this is scummy given that sqrt had access to this information all the time (he was in the thread when jabber "slipped").

Here was his reaction at that time:


Doesn't call him scum for it at all. Even later, he only once calls him scum, but just for being thrown off his alphabet game.

Now, however, when the jabber lynch has a lot of traction, he jumps on without any reasoning for changing his mind. There are plenty of additional points against jabber concerning his reaction, but that's not the justification sqrt gave. sqrt's explanation for his vote is inconsistent with how he originally reacted to jabber's post.

On May 28 2014 05:23 Chromatically wrote:

My point was that sqrt previously did not have a scumread from that post, and now he wants to lynch jabber for that post with no additional justification, meaning that he's fabricating his read (I guess this is option 2). But, it is possible that he just reread it and changed his mind, as he says.

This was just one sqrt post I had a problem with, still want to lynch jabber by a long shot.


sqrt, is that jabber post the main reason why you are voting him? Like that's the best piece of evidence in your opinion?

On May 28 2014 05:05 Chromatically wrote:
Finally back at a computer. I'm totally fine lynching jabber for obvious reasons, but I still would like to hear him answer the things I asked him.

Here's the points I've had against him (partially stuff I've already said):

-He deliberately lied this game. As town, he would have had no reason to even think about lying. As scum, he could have felt like he should add something to the conversation/was nervous/a number of other explanations for a mistake. Yes, it's bad play as either alignment. But imagine yourself as town in his situation: there's no way you would lie about it.

-His explanations are inconsistent:
+ Show Spoiler +
These are all inconsistent with each other: it cannot be an "honest mistake" if he was deliberately concealing information, he clearly didn't mean that I could have been "non-vanilla", not necessarily mafia, if he was concealing information, etc. He's changing his explanation because he's just making them up: he doesn't have a real reason.

-His last explanation is scummy in and of itself, town has no reason to make themselves harder to read.

-He didn't explain himself earlier when he had the opportunity. Town would have explained themselves as soon as they were called out.

##Vote: jabberwockzerg

On May 28 2014 09:40 jabberwockzerg wrote:

Certainly
Basically, I thought concealing information about myself would help me out in the long run. This belief, and the later admission of it, came from a fundamental misunderstanding of how this game is really played. This is what caused my initial post, and my explanations. Now, I'm learning more about what goes down and that as town, especially as town, the most important thing is to just be clear and honest and try to find the real scum.
This game is a lot more fun and layered than I first thought, and I can't wait to sink my teeth in.
It's really looking like a lynch at this point, so I'm grateful this shitstorm happened because I learned so much from it.

On May 28 2014 09:59 sqrtofneg1 wrote:

This.

On May 28 2014 00:36 jabberwockzerg wrote:

Keenly, I was trying to think of everything, leaving no stone upturned. I guess I got trapped under one of these stones

On May 28 2014 10:17 jabberwockzerg wrote:

I still wasn't in the right mindset or whatever about the game. I can totally see where I went wrong and understand all of your suspicion. It's definitely hard for anyone to take anything I say now seriously. But the posts from tonight are all totally what's going on, believe me or not.

On May 28 2014 20:11 Palmar wrote:
Don't ask hard questions Chrom, he might not have an answer right now.

On May 28 2014 08:51 Palmar wrote:
If someone isn't following why that last MZ post raises alarms (aside from the fact he's calling everyone mafia), I'll explain.



The bolded quote is very much not trying to figure out i's alignment. If MZ thinks there is any chance i is mafia, why is he trying to stop i from digging his own grave under the threat of "if you keep doing this I'll be suspicious of you!!!!". This looks like MZ wants to read i as town, while still looking like he's poking people.

On May 29 2014 04:00 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
It's not that I don't want to vote jwz, it's that I would like to have a secondary wagon, so that we can make conclusions when jwz flips.

We have 6 hours.

On May 29 2014 04:26 sqrtofneg1 wrote:

Jabber - scum, but he might not be.
Top scumreads:
jwz
palmar

On May 28 2014 19:44 Chromatically wrote:
MZ, what's your reasoning for Palmar being scum?

On May 28 2014 23:43 mderg wrote:

Well, my objective is to lynch scum but I don´t think that´s what you want to hear. It´s difficult to find a proper answer to that question because it´s not like I have someone I really want to lynch. I still don´t want jabber to be lynched.

The outcome I would be most happy with would be lynching someone who is not jabber and scum. But since my defense for jabber didn´t seem to convince people I don´t think someone else will be lynched.
I´d also be happy, if jabber flipped scum. That would make me wrong but it would put us in a good position.

On May 28 2014 02:26 slOosh wrote:




Calls Chrom scum, but also maybe town, for no reason. Very wishy washy, but interested in something of this Chrom lynch.

I think combined with other different aspects brought up thus far, this is a very solid D1 lynch.

On May 28 2014 02:09 slOosh wrote:
Seems straightforward.

##Vote: jabberwockzerg

On May 28 2014 16:48 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
K sqrt I'm starting to have a serious problem here. You go from this:



To this:





You can't "think he's town" and think he's scum too" at the same time. This is actually pretty scummy imo.