EPTmderg has 13
palmar has 77
I wonder who is absolutely in no fucking way mafia.
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mderg has 13 palmar has 77 I wonder who is absolutely in no fucking way mafia. | ||
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However, this (the above stats) is what you guys made happen today. By not using your brains you have allowed whoever is mafia among the other two to skimp by because you don't want to win the game, you don't want to think. | ||
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I won't be around forever today, and honestly I'm starting to care less. You probably have to lynch fuba _even_ if it absolutely sucks that mderg isn't even playing the game. If fuba is mafia it's all fine and dandy. If we lose this game, and mderg is mafa, the decision to lynch me against all reasonable evidence and logic is what lost us the game. Thank you Haru for not being a dumbass. | ||
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I don't know what happened. Maybe I dreamt the whole thing. I was having a conversation, quite a heated conversation. Someone wanted to kill me, neither of us was sure for exactly what reason. The last thing I remember is some fading echoes of how I hadn't changed his mind. And now I'm stuck here. It took me a while to fully realize that I'm alone. I'm not quite sure how to proceed from here. I thought I was talking to someone, but only the wind seems to have heard me. | ||
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Somewhere in the past I remember a conversation. It's strange how our past seems to matter. I really didn't want to die, but for some reason I was also sure that someone else needed to die. I remember two faces. Both of them quiet. I can almost not remember their voices. But I remember a conversation. I don't know if I should trust this conversation, but in another place, at another time I remember feeling this conversation was the answer to one of them. Should I trust the past over the present? I've had more time to study it, but the present feels more relevant now. Not that it really matters since I stranded here, alone. | ||
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How far would someone go to deceive me? Back when I was in contact with the others I cared. I kept thinking to myself: "He just doesn't seem to be the deceiving type, and it's too much of a risk". It would be such a bold move. The man I had the conversation with, would he be capable of murdering my friends, and pretend to have locked the doors to his own chamber? It seems unreasonable, and to be perfectly fair, this was the face more angry last time I saw him. But I can never be sure. I could possibly be if I could just have convinced the others before they left me. | ||
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The shadier face of the two is the one I think should die. But I can't know for sure. I overheard him arguing with one of the conspirators, who later got strung up. It sounded like a heated argument at the time. For some reason they both forgot their argument the next day though. The fact that they had this argument is interesting. I think I mentioned it before I got separated from the group, but I never got a response. He was never the talking type. I'm not sure not talking makes him part of the conspiracy, but it seems easier to not say the wrong things if you don't say anything at all. If I ever get out of here I need to notify the others. | ||
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I miss people. It's rough being alone. At first I thought getting away from the others wasn't such a bad idea. I didn't particularly like most of them. Even most of those I knew I could trust weren't always very pleasant to me. But now, I'm talking to myself, thinking to myself. It gets a bit lonely after a while. Even if the conversation wasn't always pleasant, at least there was a conversation. | ||
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On June 07 2014 01:57 Amiko wrote: 1) Reads Mafia can have good reads, doesn't mean much to me. Even if your reads have been legitimate, they mean little given how you acted. Easy example: Your recent post says you "called the too scummy to be scum thing on jabber" - that's nice to say, but your action that day was to try to shut down conversation about any alternate wagons to ensure jabber got lynched. Easy Example: Just saying you suspect slOosh doesn't mean anything when you aren't willing to vote him (or even give an adequate reason why you prefer M_Z). Your posts on slOosh/M_Z showed no analysis You did the analysis on Sloosh, I agreed with it. I did the analysis on MZ. And yes, I did call that he was too scummy to be scum, and I repeatedly said it sucks we had to lynch him. Maybe we didn't have to do it, but I don't know. Mafia sure can have good reads, sooo.... what's your point then. Do you think I did not believe my reasons for lynching Meapak. If you think I was not sincere in that main reason (95% post), then you maybe have a case for me being mafia. Most of my reads were good, not all of them were. On June 07 2014 01:57 Amiko wrote: 2) Activity You weren't active d2 or d3. You are not a highly active player this game. If you are town, I think it's good you are actually playing today, but it doesn't come off as town to me. The attitude you are taking is ironic and to me, fake, given your play. Now you are complaining to town about how it's already set on a lynch and how it won't try to consider anything else. This comes after 2 days where you voted M_Z, sat on your hands, and tried to actively discourage conversation. This whole blame thing is nice and all, but if you flip town I'll be pretty comfortable chalking it up to your anti-town play and hopefully seeing a win tomorrow in spite of your play. The idea only town can make a lot of posts is almost as persuasive to me as M_Z's case on Alakaslam. I've said repeatedly that I don't post when I don't need to post. Do you want me to sit around and quote the case I made on MZ every hour or so, just so it looks like I'm doing something. Like I don't know how blind you are, but notice how my activity coincides perfectly with the points in the game where I want to affect the outcome. huh... I post when I want to say something. Who would've thought? I have not playing anti-town. Fuck you for saying that.. I was wrong on one read, that's not anti town. Don't even pretend that you can be comfortable chalking me flipping town up to that. Not a single thing I've done this game is anti-town. I've been open, I've explained everything I've done. Not everyone has the benefit of a cop check on their target. Do you know what the difference between MZ and me is? I am actively trying to stop myself being lynched. MZ did nothing. Count MZ's posts on the day he was getting lynched on, and compare it to what I've done today. There is no excuse, you're making a terrible play. Far worse than me being wrong on MZ. On June 07 2014 01:57 Amiko wrote: 3) Reasons You keep pretending the reasons for the lynch are different from what they are. First you claim you are only being lynched from fear, but now it's only because you voted wrong on M_Z. I think the second reason is pretty good, actually, but it applies to Fuba as well. Why not both? People being wrong doesn't make them mafia. I guess the only way for you to learn this is to actually get burned. I had clear reasons for lynching MZ, I had clear reasons for trying to affect the lynch on day 2. I was open and honest about my reasons all the way through. However, you're looking at "what" I did, not "how" I did it, which is your downfall. On June 07 2014 01:57 Amiko wrote: 4) Fuba I asked you specifically why Fuba is scummier than you, and the only response I saw was: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/451317-detention-mafia?page=65#1291 Additionally, you raise this point earlier- Did you go after gobble d2? It's counterintuitive that you can think fuba is the most scummy player and that you are a towny player when the grounds apply to both of you. Well I was trying to talk to him. For me to build a case he needs to actually respond. But thanks to you being awful he doesn't have to respond. He can just sit there on his ass and watch this mislynch. I've provided a bunch of other reasons. And while you're obviously too full of fear to believe me, by far the most convincing reason fuba is scummier than I am is that I've made about 12x the posts he has done today. Doesn't even matter what the content is. And there's more, you're just too confirmation biased at the moment to even read what I say. fuba was never at the forefront of anything in this game. On day 1 I was active in pushing the jabber thing while he waffled back and forth on it. I then actively explained and yet shut down discussion on why he could be mafia. I don't even know what fuba was doing at the time. When trying to switch to MZ on day 2, it was MY push. I was the one yelling about how MZ was a better lynch because there was no resistance to the sloosh lynch. Again, fuba was far more in the background. The MZ lynch was my lynch. The case we lynched him on on day 3 was mostly my case. Everything I've done this game I've done while sticking my neck out for it. You just don't understand that mafia doesn't like doing that. | ||
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On June 07 2014 02:02 Amiko wrote: Are they hiding? Or are they trying to get attention? I don't understand how this sentence makes sense on its own, or preceding the statement that fuba is the lynch. I'm assuming that "get" should probably be "not get" or "avoid". And Haru is being the only reasonable enough human being to understand that the guy not saying anything and quietly watching the show is far more likely to be mafia than the guy who's actively participating in the game. Y'know, because Haru seems to be blessed with the ability to think. | ||
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On June 07 2014 02:10 Amiko wrote: Anyway Haru honestly, whether we lynch Palmar first or Fuba first only matters if you think mderg can be scum. It is possible, but I think the likelihood is really remote (and for what it's worth, it seems Palmar and Fuba both are stating the same). If Palmar is lynched and flips town, I think the obvious move is to lynch Fuba tomorrow unless there's any real case on mderg. Take a look at fuba's points on mderg and see what you think of them. I know you suspect fuba, but take a look and see what you think. So lynch fuba first. Between me and fuba, which one do you think is more likely to actually be able to save the town if mderg is the remaining mafia? | ||
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On June 07 2014 02:07 Amiko wrote: By this logic, shouldn't you be scumreading mderg? After all, if fuba was mafia he would be playing more, right, since he has to try to squirm out of getting lynched tomorrow? Fuba hasn't played throughout the game. That's the difference between me and him. I've played when I wanted something done. | ||
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#logic | ||
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Despite being and sounding frustrated, this has actually been fun. It's nice to have an actual challenge in front of you. Trying to move this town in the right direction feels like moving a mountain. So in case I don't get back, sorry if I've gotten a bit mad at times. @Amiko you haven't actually played awful. Your case on sloosh was very well disguised at least from my point of view. I thought it was a regular case and it being a cop-check case didn't even cross my mind. You're just being a bit thick headed today, but I guess it's a learning experience you have to go through. Make sure you realize what you did wrong because you're going to be the one leading the lylo lynch. I think it's fuba but I'm far from 100% convinced. @Chrom, town hero, never forget. @Haru, thanks for being reasonable. The trap thing you did was hilariously useless, but at least pointed to your thought process coming from a townie. You've played this day better than anyone else. Thanks for playing guys. | ||
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On June 07 2014 02:21 Amiko wrote: Yeah M_Z's play was bad. Posting a lot before you die doesn't make you town. Every time you say you agreed with my analysis of slOosh it just makes me feel you are more likely mafia. Part of my analysis was specifically saying that slOosh is scummier than M_Z. If you agreed with me, you would have gone slOosh. You made no attempt to engage on that point or suggest anything specific about your case was better.. I call you anti-town because you attempted to stop discussion d1 (on jabber, by arguing we shouldn't raise other wagons), d2 (on M_Z, by arguing platitudes rather than merits), d3 (on M_Z, with a 'why should i care' attitude). This is what you don't understand. You're 100% wrong on how I play, and I've always played like this. I generally have one thing that is absolute giveaway as either alignment. For example I would've thought mderg's post on day 1 was a giveaway town, and that Haru's trap thing was giveaway town. In fact, your correct analysis of me on day 1 was basically giveaway town, because you were right for the right reasons. Your case on sloosh relied heavily on him not doing anything at all regarding the case on jabber during day 1. That has nothing to do with him being more scummy than MZ. MZ read a post that said one thing and accused that post of saying something completely different. Sloosh didn't do that. So by definition while of course I use things like inactivity, interactivity, voting patterns etc to complement my ideas, your argument that part of your case was that sloosh was specifically more scummy than MZ is bullshit. I agreed with your initial case on sloosh. That's to what I replied I might throw my weight behind it. They are not the same because they cannot be the same because sloosh didn't write that post I basically lynched MZ for. So whatever you're saying doesn't work. And don't call my play anti-town. | ||
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You can only blame yourself. I did not play anti-town no matter how much you want to convince yourself that's the case. The problem here is a) you not reading/thinking and b) me not figuring out how to get you to think. That's my biggest mistake this game. I will eventually figure out how to get through to you, but clearly I didn't do it in time. Don't try to excuse your mislynch that I played anti-town, or you will not improve at the game. If you want to improve you have to understand what you did wrong, because you are doing something wrong. | ||
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On June 07 2014 02:50 Amiko wrote: -- I raised the point that slOosh was scummier than M_Z a few times. Here are two quotes I picked as examples, because they show that two other players (sqrt and mderg) specifically understand that I was raising that point. And I didn't agree. Because unless they post exactly the same stuff at exactly the same time all the game, they aren't the same person. There was a specific post MZ made, and I've pointed to it repeatedly that made me disagree with you. Again, you're arguing that I'm mafia for what I did, and not how I did it. | ||
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I don't have more energy for this. If Amiko wants to be a dumbass he can be one. | ||
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