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On June 05 2014 16:37 mderg wrote: I´m VT. Since there are no counterclaims there´s no reason to doubt your claims. With 3 confirmed town and me also being town it only leaves Palmar and fuba. ##vote: Palmar Actually, you and fuba have to make an actual case for why I must be mafia. The other guys are confirmed so there's no point in questioning their motives. So try again please. | ||
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On June 05 2014 10:13 fuba wrote: ##Vote: Palmar I can agree with the first half of the lynch list XD You too. Case please. | ||
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On May 27 2014 18:43 Palmar wrote: I'm not, why do you think I'm trolling. Granted, I'm only about 2 pages or so into the game as we speak, + skimming Ninja's filter. But I feel pretty good about this. Could you elaborate on why you think I'm trolling? Or at least if there is something you don't understand in my case, ask for an explanation? First of all, this conversation alone should be enough to convince you I'm town. There is literally no reason for me to act like an idiot and try to create a case that I have no intention of pushing as mafia. Not to mention the person who actually started arguing with me over it ended up being mafia too. If I was mafia I would probably not randomly attack townies without a good reason, as you need townies on your side. It should be clear to anyone that I did not intend to lynch NB. Hell even if you think I had any intention of killing her, why would I back off later: I joined the jabber lynch for obvious reasons. I still think that was the right thing to do. In fact I think killing MZ for playing awfully was also the right thing to do. It's really annoying to play with townies who don't want to put effort into the game. Also, if I'm mafia I've been basically half-bussing my team for the entire game. What is the end-game here for me? If I'm mafia I'd have known we had a medic and a cop, it's insane for me to start calling my teammates mafia right away. On May 30 2014 05:07 Palmar wrote: Other things. i looks slightly less good, but I still think he's town. Ninja too, I feel like her activity is dropping, or I'm not noticing much useful come out of her. Chrom looked really good yesterday. Amiko looks pretty town for now. He thinks I'm town for the right reasons. (This is important, mafia members know I'm town, he seems to have figured out that I'm town by actually reading the thread and analyzing it). If you ever clear this guy, follow him. He seems to be really good, but I hope he's really good town, not really good mafia  mderg has that one post that screams town (I hope he's mafia so I can be like super impressed  ). I'm going with town for himfuba looks better than I initially thought, he's sort of null-ish to me now, but I'd not lynch him tomorrow. I liked how he responded to me erroneously calling him out, so I'm backing slightly off on scumread. But he's still in the bottom half of the table. sloosh is just meh. I have no idea tbh. Slam is also meh. Both of them (sloosh and slam) are good cop checks. This is the first game I've actually thought to myself "slam looks sorta townie here", so that's making me nervous, as I fully admit I can't read the guy. MZ is mafia gobbley I don't know. I thought he was town at first, but he had really low content last time I checked his filter. So idk. Lynch MZ tomorrow, pressure sloosh, fuba, gobbley. Slam or any of the previously mentioned are pretty good checks. Also because most of you haven't played with me before. I usually super miss one mafia. So don't follow my reads blindly even if they give you 1-2 mafia. Another point here: On June 01 2014 08:54 Palmar wrote: I think fuba is town, I don't care if his play is weird. This sloosh lynch is going too easily. We should do MZ. If I'm mafia, why am I defending fuba, who is (at the time and still is) the most likely person for town to get behind lynching. It doesn't make any sense. On May 30 2014 16:23 Palmar wrote: I think I could throw my weight behind a sloosh vote. I have a feeling the mafia team is sloosh, MZ, Gobbley Again the busing thing. Why would I do this if I'm mafia. Knowing we have a cop I'd also know the chances of me being checked are really really high. If I just bus my entire team there is no endgame for me. Also fuck you guys for saying I'm mafia because I actually had 2/3 of the team on day 2. My only problem is that I had an asshole townie who didn't want to play the game and that confused me. Regarding lazy on MZ lynch day I don't see how this has anything to do with my alignment. Hell, if I am mafia I would like to think I'd actually have continued playing on that day, mostly because I'd have known this was a mislynch and I needed some continuation strategy. What I did instead was to fuck off and leave no strategy for myself as mafia. So please, heads out of asses, I'm not the mafia we're looking for. | ||
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On May 28 2014 22:09 Palmar wrote: *clap clap* I hope you're mafia because if you are this post is amazing. I'm giving you a townread for this. To explain why I thought this looks super townie, and I still do. Note the timing of his post. This is at the height of me doubting myself on the jabber lynch. mderg posted this shortly after I wrote my "too scummy to be scum" explanation for my hesitation. This post makes mderg town because of his intentions (note you also have to check him out actually doing the defending). These are the possibilities: 1. mderg mafia/jabber mafia 2. mderg mafia/jabber town 3. mderg town/jabber mafia 4. mderg town/jabber town The ones we're interested in eliminating are 1 and 2, if we want to reduce the chances of mderg being mafia. 1) Mderg explains it in the post himself. If he is mafia and knows jabber will flip mafia, why on earth is he hard defending someone who will almost certainly be lynched anyway. It makes absolutely no sense from a mafia perspective. I don't think mderg is capable of this meta play. Obviously we now know that this scenario also wasn't true, because jabber flipped town. 2) Mderg also addresses this, but he does it in a very particular way, I'll quote him: "Me being scum only makes sense, if jabber flips town. I could see mafia reasons for that." I hope I'm not the only one who noticed that if mderg is mafia, he made a super ballsy play of literally planting the idea that he may be mafia based on something he already knew would come true. Hell townies don't like to claim they might be mafia, mafia absolutely hates doing it. It's really, really hard for me to believe that mderg would be capable of such an advanced mafia play. There is a really good reason I said this: On May 28 2014 22:09 Palmar wrote: I hope you're mafia because if you are this post is amazing. I almost stand by that. This single post would be very, very impressive mafia play if mderg is mafia. I'm writing this to set a baseline. I need to go back and read why I at one point said fuba is town. I don't quite remember that as well as this mderg post. When I know why I called fuba town, I might do their filters, but no idea how much I'll be able to accomplish today. I'll do it before the deadline though. | ||
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On June 05 2014 19:04 HaruRH wrote: I doubt we need a case now to choose who is mafia. Given that amiko and sqrt are not lying (no counterclaims by anyone, thus they both shouldn't be lying) and given that amiko proves I am VT, this creates a bubble of town around us 3 and anyone else have the remote chance of being mafia. There is no way that either of us 4 (other than sqrt and amiko) will die this night since unless they kill off both of them, tomorrow will be their funeral. mderg have the chance of being mafia, but we can discuss this tomorrow when we choose between fuba and mderg. So far, even though I recognise that fuba is a better lynch target, we still need to lynch you as more people suspect you as mafia over others. This is incorrect logic. Everyone knows exactly why I wanted to lynch meapak. I repeatedly gave my reasons. Too bad my reasons also applied to a lazy apathetic townie (not reading the thread, making asinine statements etc). If you lynch me today, you will have to decide tomorrow between fuba and mderg, as the rest are confirmed by mechanics. Yes I agree, I could just roll over assuming I'm convinced one of the other two is mafia, but that is accepting a mislynch. I'm not MZ, I don't lay down and die like a good boy. I hate being lynched as town, especially for no reasons at all. Ideally I'd like you all to give reasons, because you're using terrible reasons to lynch me because you guys are refusing to read the thread for some reason. At least that would give me satisfaction post game. Amiko read me 100% correctly on day 1. He decided to just say "well fuck that, palmar thought MZ was mafia". I have no idea why. Even if you guys (the confirmed players) have no intention of doing anything other than lynch me today, you should absolutely force fuba and mderg into doing what I'm doing. It's dumb as hell not to do it. Just threaten them with a lynch. Move your votes to them (especially fuba) until he comes back and actually does anything. | ||
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On June 05 2014 19:07 HaruRH wrote: At that point in time, slosh and gobble were the huge suspects for scum. It is wise to quickly cut off all ties with them to protect the remaining scum, that is the mafia rb. It would be a bad mafia play to not do these that you mentioned - if you didn't do them, you're scumread. Almost no one was talking about gobble. So why didn't I bus sloosh then and try to protect gobble? Wouldn't that make more sense? Your logic is awful. | ||
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On June 05 2014 19:14 HaruRH wrote: Why would you want to protect gobble? Gobble would certainly be lynched d3 if he did not modkill himself. Why? MZ was up there, fuba was still a possibility. I can't win against a cop I don't know who is if I'm solo. It doesn't work. | ||
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On June 05 2014 19:16 mderg wrote: You think fuba would be the best lynch target? If so, you should probably try to push that lynch. It´s not like you have to be in favor of lynching Palmar just because the majority wants to lynch him. From your POV, no matter your actual alignment, you are town. Which way are you leaning? | ||
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On May 30 2014 22:26 Palmar wrote: Better idea: find me 5 people tho you strongly consider to be town. if fuba is mafia sloosh was targeting him early, this thing went both ways. | ||
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On June 05 2014 19:22 mderg wrote: Some thoughts on Palmar: I didn´t really like Palmar´s play at the start, he voted bunnies for questionable reasons, it seemed like he was trolling but he said that he wasn´t. The reasons he later gave for that were kinda meh. At the time the reasons were fine. I wasn't trolling, but I also wasn't going to lynch her based on that. She did something different from last game, I pointed it out. Sometimes people do different things because they're in a different mood, or just because they feel like it, it doesn't always make them mafia. Hence, I backed off and called her town reasonably early. I also never brought it up again, because after I actually read the game and the game progressed, that weak read became more and more obsolete. On June 05 2014 19:22 mderg wrote: He was strongly in favor of lynching jwz and MZ and was wrong on every lynch so far. While that in itself is not a big tell, I got the feeling that he didn´t look beyond these two scumreads and just wanted to secure these misslynches. What speaks in his favor is this: He didn´t really push sloosh and gobble, though. Especially going against the sloosh lynch was strange. Amiko´s case on sloosh looked better than Palmar´s case on MZ but Palmar stayed on MZ because his case was "more slam dunk". Yes. To understand this you have to understand few things 1) When meapak wrote the thing about me trying to back out of a read when I was explaining it, I became 100% sure he was mafia. I do not remember any other instance of MZ just saying blatantly wrong things due to lack of actually reading. Clearly I was wrong, but I was quite convinced. 2) Sloosh got lynched anyway. Why on earth did I not try to at least milk some credit for it by switching back or someting, If you think I'm mafia I already brought up that sloosh was scummy and I might throw my weight behind the case. It makes no sense for me to let him be lynched and leave myself in a worse position before. 3) I was honestly skeptical of how easily the case on Sloosh was building traction. It was a strong case, I initially agreed with it, as is apparent by my posting, hell I always agreed with it. I just felt something was off and I also believed strongly MZ was mafia. On June 05 2014 19:22 mderg wrote: The MZ lynch itself isn´t really alignment indicative because about everyone wanted to lynch him and he certainly did look like mafia. This is actually not as much as I thought it would be. I could see scum motivation behind almost everything but calling out sloosh and gobble so early in the game would be really ballsy.[/QUOTE] It's just pointless. It's almost sort of insulting that you guys think I'm mafia because in order to believe that I'm mafia you also have to believe I'm incapable of forming a winning strategy, there is literally no path to victory for me even if gobble hadn't gotten killed. But then again, maybe the reason people think I'm mafia despite it being logically impossible for me to be is because reading is hard. | ||
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On June 05 2014 19:52 mderg wrote: 1) I agree that MZ looked scummy but I still think Amiko´s case on sloosh was stronger than your case on MZ. This may be because you have played much more games with MZ but for me the sloosh case was stronger. 2) That reasoning kinda applies to all 3 possible lynch candidates. I could have changed my vote from sloosh to MZ on day 2 and fuba pressured gobble pretty hard at some point. So that doesn´t work stronger in your favor than for anyone else. 1) I engage in hyperbole to get what I want. I wanted a MZ lynch so I said my case was better. In hindsight obviously Amiko's case was better. 2) Doesn't matter. I'm not mafia. | ||
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