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On June 03 2014 05:37 Amiko wrote:
@sqrt-
I remember you were scumreading Palmar somewhat when he voted on bunnies early and questioned his reasons.
Why did you react differently when bunnies voted you early (you didn't ask if bunnies was serious, etc.)?
b/c that was obviously joking? First post?
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I mean it's possible but I don't see why it's compelling either way.
- Maybe he's attacking the people because he wants them to appear towny.
- Maybe he's attacking the people because he thinks it will make him seem more towny.
- Maybe he put one mafia in his list, maybe two.
There's no reliable way to figure out his intentions, so I don't really feel that it's useful to pry that deeply into them.
If you really want to focus on players' last words, why aren't you looking at town players instead?
> What do you think of Chrom's pre-death reads?
> What about bunnies' pre-death reads?
Compared to slOosh, at least you know these players were probably giving their honest reads.
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On June 03 2014 05:40 sqrtofneg1 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2014 05:37 Amiko wrote:
@sqrt-
I remember you were scumreading Palmar somewhat when he voted on bunnies early and questioned his reasons.
Why did you react differently when bunnies voted you early (you didn't ask if bunnies was serious, etc.)? b/c that was obviously joking? First post?
I really exactly disagree, but I thought Palmar's XD case was joking, too.
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EBWOP: I don't exactly disagree
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On June 03 2014 05:46 Amiko wrote:
I mean it's possible but I don't see why it's compelling either way.
- Maybe he's attacking the people because he wants them to appear towny.
- Maybe he's attacking the people because he thinks it will make him seem more towny.
- Maybe he put one mafia in his list, maybe two.
There's no reliable way to figure out his intentions, so I don't really feel that it's useful to pry that deeply into them.
If you really want to focus on players' last words, why aren't you looking at town players instead?
> What do you think of Chrom's pre-death reads?
> What about bunnies' pre-death reads?
Compared to slOosh, at least you know these players were probably giving their honest reads.
This is exactly what I think about that.
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On June 03 2014 06:44 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2014 05:46 Amiko wrote:
I mean it's possible but I don't see why it's compelling either way.
- Maybe he's attacking the people because he wants them to appear towny.
- Maybe he's attacking the people because he thinks it will make him seem more towny.
- Maybe he put one mafia in his list, maybe two.
There's no reliable way to figure out his intentions, so I don't really feel that it's useful to pry that deeply into them.
If you really want to focus on players' last words, why aren't you looking at town players instead?
> What do you think of Chrom's pre-death reads?
> What about bunnies' pre-death reads?
Compared to slOosh, at least you know these players were probably giving their honest reads. This is exactly what I think about that.
On June 01 2014 22:41 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2014 22:27 HaruRH wrote:
EBWOP
sloosh mentioned gooble as his primary target after he is lynched -> turned out to be mafia indeed.
slosh mentioned MZ as his second target ->??? OK this sounds logical. Even though it´s purely association based.
Clarify?
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On June 03 2014 06:47 Amiko wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2014 06:44 mderg wrote:On June 03 2014 05:46 Amiko wrote:
I mean it's possible but I don't see why it's compelling either way.
- Maybe he's attacking the people because he wants them to appear towny.
- Maybe he's attacking the people because he thinks it will make him seem more towny.
- Maybe he put one mafia in his list, maybe two.
There's no reliable way to figure out his intentions, so I don't really feel that it's useful to pry that deeply into them.
If you really want to focus on players' last words, why aren't you looking at town players instead?
> What do you think of Chrom's pre-death reads?
> What about bunnies' pre-death reads?
Compared to slOosh, at least you know these players were probably giving their honest reads. This is exactly what I think about that. Show nested quote +On June 01 2014 22:41 mderg wrote:On June 01 2014 22:27 HaruRH wrote:
EBWOP
sloosh mentioned gooble as his primary target after he is lynched -> turned out to be mafia indeed.
slosh mentioned MZ as his second target ->??? OK this sounds logical. Even though it´s purely association based. Clarify?
His reasoning was perfectly logical but that doesn´t mean it´s right. There´s no way to know what actually were sloosh´s intentions, so we can´t tell much from his last reads.
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On June 03 2014 05:46 Amiko wrote:
I mean it's possible but I don't see why it's compelling either way.
- Maybe he's attacking the people because he wants them to appear towny.
- Maybe he's attacking the people because he thinks it will make him seem more towny.
- Maybe he put one mafia in his list, maybe two.
There's no reliable way to figure out his intentions, so I don't really feel that it's useful to pry that deeply into them.
If you really want to focus on players' last words, why aren't you looking at town players instead?
> What do you think of Chrom's pre-death reads?
> What about bunnies' pre-death reads?
Compared to slOosh, at least you know these players were probably giving their honest reads.
I personally can't obtain anything from dead townie's reads. I am literally incapable of doing so.
They're reads. They're not posts with the answer in them. However, scum's reads have a higher chance of having the answers in them, because scum already knows the answer to this problem. Which is why I focus on them, rather than town reads. I just take them as their final thoughts.
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On June 03 2014 06:55 sqrtofneg1 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2014 05:46 Amiko wrote:
I mean it's possible but I don't see why it's compelling either way.
- Maybe he's attacking the people because he wants them to appear towny.
- Maybe he's attacking the people because he thinks it will make him seem more towny.
- Maybe he put one mafia in his list, maybe two.
There's no reliable way to figure out his intentions, so I don't really feel that it's useful to pry that deeply into them.
If you really want to focus on players' last words, why aren't you looking at town players instead?
> What do you think of Chrom's pre-death reads?
> What about bunnies' pre-death reads?
Compared to slOosh, at least you know these players were probably giving their honest reads. I personally can't obtain anything from dead townie's reads. I am literally incapable of doing so. They're reads. They're not posts with the answer in them. However, scum's reads have a higher chance of having the answers in them, because scum already knows the answer to this problem. Which is why I focus on them, rather than town reads. I just take them as their final thoughts.
You can definitely take something from the reads scum give but this is about the last reads. A townie will give honest reads but a scum that´s almost dead might do everything.
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On June 03 2014 06:58 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2014 06:55 sqrtofneg1 wrote:On June 03 2014 05:46 Amiko wrote:
I mean it's possible but I don't see why it's compelling either way.
- Maybe he's attacking the people because he wants them to appear towny.
- Maybe he's attacking the people because he thinks it will make him seem more towny.
- Maybe he put one mafia in his list, maybe two.
There's no reliable way to figure out his intentions, so I don't really feel that it's useful to pry that deeply into them.
If you really want to focus on players' last words, why aren't you looking at town players instead?
> What do you think of Chrom's pre-death reads?
> What about bunnies' pre-death reads?
Compared to slOosh, at least you know these players were probably giving their honest reads. I personally can't obtain anything from dead townie's reads. I am literally incapable of doing so. They're reads. They're not posts with the answer in them. However, scum's reads have a higher chance of having the answers in them, because scum already knows the answer to this problem. Which is why I focus on them, rather than town reads. I just take them as their final thoughts. You can definitely take something from the reads scum give but this is about the last reads. A townie will give honest reads but a scum that´s almost dead might do everything.
Town's last reads are honest, yes. But like I said, they're just reads. They're just guesses.
Scum knows the answer. Even if his reads are lies, they make up those lies with the knowledge of the truth.
imo scum last reads are much more substantial than town ones.
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On June 03 2014 07:01 sqrtofneg1 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2014 06:58 mderg wrote:On June 03 2014 06:55 sqrtofneg1 wrote:On June 03 2014 05:46 Amiko wrote:
I mean it's possible but I don't see why it's compelling either way.
- Maybe he's attacking the people because he wants them to appear towny.
- Maybe he's attacking the people because he thinks it will make him seem more towny.
- Maybe he put one mafia in his list, maybe two.
There's no reliable way to figure out his intentions, so I don't really feel that it's useful to pry that deeply into them.
If you really want to focus on players' last words, why aren't you looking at town players instead?
> What do you think of Chrom's pre-death reads?
> What about bunnies' pre-death reads?
Compared to slOosh, at least you know these players were probably giving their honest reads. I personally can't obtain anything from dead townie's reads. I am literally incapable of doing so. They're reads. They're not posts with the answer in them. However, scum's reads have a higher chance of having the answers in them, because scum already knows the answer to this problem. Which is why I focus on them, rather than town reads. I just take them as their final thoughts. You can definitely take something from the reads scum give but this is about the last reads. A townie will give honest reads but a scum that´s almost dead might do everything. Town's last reads are honest, yes. But like I said, they're just reads. They're just guesses. Scum knows the answer. Even if his reads are lies, they make up those lies with the knowledge of the truth. imo scum last reads are much more substantial than town ones.
I disagree with you then.
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On June 03 2014 07:05 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2014 07:01 sqrtofneg1 wrote:On June 03 2014 06:58 mderg wrote:On June 03 2014 06:55 sqrtofneg1 wrote:On June 03 2014 05:46 Amiko wrote:
I mean it's possible but I don't see why it's compelling either way.
- Maybe he's attacking the people because he wants them to appear towny.
- Maybe he's attacking the people because he thinks it will make him seem more towny.
- Maybe he put one mafia in his list, maybe two.
There's no reliable way to figure out his intentions, so I don't really feel that it's useful to pry that deeply into them.
If you really want to focus on players' last words, why aren't you looking at town players instead?
> What do you think of Chrom's pre-death reads?
> What about bunnies' pre-death reads?
Compared to slOosh, at least you know these players were probably giving their honest reads. I personally can't obtain anything from dead townie's reads. I am literally incapable of doing so. They're reads. They're not posts with the answer in them. However, scum's reads have a higher chance of having the answers in them, because scum already knows the answer to this problem. Which is why I focus on them, rather than town reads. I just take them as their final thoughts. You can definitely take something from the reads scum give but this is about the last reads. A townie will give honest reads but a scum that´s almost dead might do everything. Town's last reads are honest, yes. But like I said, they're just reads. They're just guesses. Scum knows the answer. Even if his reads are lies, they make up those lies with the knowledge of the truth. imo scum last reads are much more substantial than town ones. I disagree with you then.
Looks like we've reached an impasse.
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@sqrt:
I mostly disagree with you. I mean, there's no certainty that scum will kill someone because they are right.
(Though, I do think that tends to be the case on day 1, at least)
But even if you don't know if the town is right, you can still look at their filters and see if they made points that might have made the mafia decide to kill them.
Ex: consider Chromatically's last couple of posts.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/451317-detention-mafia?user=Chromatically&page=3
His top three scum were:
(1) slOosh
(2) M_Z
(3) gobble
If you were scum and saw that, don't you think he might make for a tempting n1 kill?
I don't find reviewing bunnies' filter to be useful, though. Since she didn't read d2, and her last post (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/451317-detention-mafia?page=44#867) is pretty inconclusive imo.
About all I can say is that she didn't think fuba was scum. But I don't even know if this is helpful; my suspicion of fuba is mostly from d2 (which I guess she didn't read) so I feel like her post doesn't give us as much to work with.
Scum filters can help too, you are right.
But, I feel like the most useful stuff is things you recognize as slips in retrospect...
I think a post from scum when that player is gaining votes and is a likely lynch is just too wifomy.
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@Palmar / @Haru / @Alakaslam:
Do you think mderg is buddying me? Or do his posts feel natural to you?
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The only things you have to do are die and pay taxes.
I'm not even sure about that second part in Iceland.
(but it's the first part I'm more interested in anyway)
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@Palmar
Are there other games you've played where you are lazy in a way similar to this?
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Eh, I guess you were kind of similar in Catastrophe (not trying to get more points when that was your win condition), but that was a big game, anything smaller?
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On June 03 2014 09:17 Palmar wrote:
Do I have to care?
Do
I have
To
To care
Oh man oh man oh man
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On June 03 2014 11:15 Alakaslam wrote:Do I have To To care Oh man oh man oh man
That acronym.
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EPT
