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sqrtofneg1
Canada1159 Posts
No use in getting the blue guys claiming yet. | ||
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Amiko
United States1725 Posts
On June 02 2014 10:21 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Slam claimed rb which confirms him as town unless he's lying. Leaving a confirmed townie alive is a cardinal sin. + Show Spoiler + http://i.imgur.com/Kwn5cZZ.jpg It's not a terrible point, but I don't think it is compelling. There's a couple reasons, but to me the easiest to explain is that something which "confirms him as town unless he's lying" really isn't any confirmation at all. I mean, by this standard, if you tell me that you are town, that confirms you as town (unless you are lying). Anyway, Slam isn't my top town but I feel like you could do better if you tried. I feel the best defense for M_Z (which he didn't offer) is this: If M_Z and slOosh are both scum, it means that M_Z is roleblocker. When M_Z and slOosh were the lynch candidates, you would think scum would prefer to lynch slOosh (goon) over M_Z (roleblocker). Instead, slOosh made a post which was (apparently) compelling and started to move people toward M_Z over slOosh. I don't find that to be sufficient. ##Vote: Meapak_Ziphh We still have a day I think, so for the living please don't be lazy and talk about each other. Sheeping me isn't particularly helpful since M_Z is the major wagon anyway; if you think M_Z isn't the lynch or someone else is better, we should talk about it sooner rather than later. | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17336 Posts
On June 02 2014 16:15 Amiko wrote: Bedtime for me pretty soon. + Show Spoiler + http://i.imgur.com/Kwn5cZZ.jpg It's not a terrible point, but I don't think it is compelling. There's a couple reasons, but to me the easiest to explain is that something which "confirms him as town unless he's lying" really isn't any confirmation at all. I mean, by this standard, if you tell me that you are town, that confirms you as town (unless you are lying). Anyway, Slam isn't my top town but I feel like you could do better if you tried. I feel the best defense for M_Z (which he didn't offer) is this: If M_Z and slOosh are both scum, it means that M_Z is roleblocker. When M_Z and slOosh were the lynch candidates, you would think scum would prefer to lynch slOosh (goon) over M_Z (roleblocker). Instead, slOosh made a post which was (apparently) compelling and started to move people toward M_Z over slOosh. I don't find that to be sufficient. ##Vote: Meapak_Ziphh We still have a day I think, so for the living please don't be lazy and talk about each other. Sheeping me isn't particularly helpful since M_Z is the major wagon anyway; if you think M_Z isn't the lynch or someone else is better, we should talk about it sooner rather than later. Then why lynch either martyr? Let's look elsewhere. | ||
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Amiko
United States1725 Posts
I'll look at em tomorrow at your pick | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22634 Posts
Every time I try to wifom myself out of this lynch I come back to his ridiculous response to me explaining my suspicions on him back on day 1. | ||
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HaruRH
Singapore2780 Posts
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mderg
Germany1740 Posts
On June 02 2014 03:27 Amiko wrote: Btw @mderg- I would like to hear from sqrt/Alakaslam on this first, but do take a look at this even if you stay quiet since I it gave me some thoughts on Haru. I guess I can give my thoughts on this now. While I think that what Haru said is a perfectly logical assessment, I highly doubt that it´s the right way to continue like that. It´s WIFOM and we have no idea what sloosh really wanted to accomplish with his last reads. Maybe he was trying to clear his scummates, maybe he was just randomly giving people scumreads to confuse us. I think it´s too risky to blindly lynch everyone on sloosh´s scumlist. On June 02 2014 05:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: The thread is short enough I figure I can reread it with the information from the flips and figure it out. Blindly lynching a target of your choice seems like a stupid idea. If you actually do flip town, everyone should take a close look at your last reads but there´s no way we´re gonna lynch someone just because you told us to. On June 02 2014 10:31 HaruRH wrote: Now that I think of it, only the roleblocker is left as scum. If slam is mafia, he can easily claim roleblock on n1 without roleblocking anyone. I agree. I don´t think we can 100% confirm anyone as town based on roleblock claims. But we also can´t call anyone scum for not being killed in the night. | ||
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sqrtofneg1
Canada1159 Posts
2 different roleblock claims; slam and mderg. At least one of them are true, possibly both. I would recommend clearing them as town for the time being. As I stated before: ##Vote: Meapak_Ziphh | ||
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Amiko
United States1725 Posts
- I think M_Z is a fair lynch, there's a justifiable complaints on his play- I feel like he is just the "less scummy" slOosh. But, I'm willing to entertain other lynches. - Earlier you said you were suspicious of fuba - could you let me know what you were thinking on that point (if it still applies)? @Palmar: I don't really expect you to push a lynch other than M_Z, and that's fine. But, I don't like that you haven't really offered anything or weighed in on anything unrelated to M_Z for a while. Do you have any thoughts on Haru / Alakaslam / fuba / you would share? | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22634 Posts
On June 03 2014 01:29 Amiko wrote: @Palmar: I don't really expect you to push a lynch other than M_Z, and that's fine. But, I don't like that you haven't really offered anything or weighed in on anything unrelated to M_Z for a while. Do you have any thoughts on Haru / Alakaslam / fuba / you would share? To be honest I'm just hoping MZ flips mafia and I don't have to put in any more work. It's really hard for me to motivate myself reading other people when I'm expecting the game to end. So yeah, unless MZ is town, they're all town for now. | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17336 Posts
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sqrtofneg1
Canada1159 Posts
Gobble was modkilled, not replaced. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
Vote count: Meapak_Ziphh (4) - HaruRH, Amiko, Palmar, sqrtofneg1, Not voting (4) : - Meapak_Ziphh, mderg, Alakaslam, fuba Currently Meapak_Ziphh is set to be lynched! Day ends in | ||
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Amiko
United States1725 Posts
On June 03 2014 02:22 sqrtofneg1 wrote: Here's something that might (but probably isn't) prove to be important. Gobble was modkilled, not replaced. IMO nothing can or should be read from that. Blazinghand is firm with his rules. @sqrt and @Palmar: On June 02 2014 16:15 Amiko wrote: (cut) I feel the best defense for M_Z (which he didn't offer) is this: If M_Z and slOosh are both scum, it means that M_Z is roleblocker. When M_Z and slOosh were the lynch candidates, you would think scum would prefer to lynch slOosh (goon) over M_Z (roleblocker). Instead, slOosh made a post which was (apparently) compelling and started to move people toward M_Z over slOosh. (cut) Do you have any thoughts on this point? | ||
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sqrtofneg1
Canada1159 Posts
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sqrtofneg1
Canada1159 Posts
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Amiko
United States1725 Posts
We know slOosh is goon. If M_Z is scum, he is roleblocker. I think it was became clear that one of those two players was going to get lynched d2. If you were scum in that situation, if all other things were equal, you would probably want the roleblocker (M_Z in that case) to survive. However, slOosh fights to survive the lynch, M_Z does not. This suggests that maybe if they were both scum, slOosh would have preferred M_Z die instead of himself. I just want to know if you think that argument makes sense, and if you disagree, what part you disagree with. For me, I don't find it sufficient (though I guess I didn't go through the reasons) but I thought it was worth talking about, especially since it feels like people aren't really playing anymore. | ||
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Amiko
United States1725 Posts
I remember you were scumreading Palmar somewhat when he voted on bunnies early and questioned his reasons. Why did you react differently when bunnies voted you early (you didn't ask if bunnies was serious, etc.)? | ||
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Amiko
United States1725 Posts
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sqrtofneg1
Canada1159 Posts
On June 03 2014 05:35 Amiko wrote: Sqrt I'm not really sure if you are responding to the first part or the second there... We know slOosh is goon. If M_Z is scum, he is roleblocker. I think it was became clear that one of those two players was going to get lynched d2. If you were scum in that situation, if all other things were equal, you would probably want the roleblocker (M_Z in that case) to survive. However, slOosh fights to survive the lynch, M_Z does not. This suggests that maybe if they were both scum, slOosh would have preferred M_Z die instead of himself. I just want to know if you think that argument makes sense, and if you disagree, what part you disagree with. For me, I don't find it sufficient (though I guess I didn't go through the reasons) but I thought it was worth talking about, especially since it feels like people aren't really playing anymore. Assume that MZ is mafia rb. Sloosh, in his dying words tell us to attack MZ and then go for gobble. Gobble was scum. What if sloosh is protecting MZ by telling us to attack MZ? | ||
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