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On June 12 2014 15:35 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2014 15:32 Holyflare wrote:On June 12 2014 15:31 batsnacks wrote:On June 12 2014 15:26 Holyflare wrote:On June 12 2014 15:23 batsnacks wrote:
I wish I could vote two people. who are those 2 Why do you care? You're gone until day 1 is over, remember? just because i'm gone doesn't mean i'm not reading :o exams at 2.30 so i'll definitely be around later It would seem that just because you're gone doesn't mean you're not responding either.
well i can't revise 24/7 gotta take breaks to update you that i'll be gone 
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can we not fixate on whether or not holyflare is actually gone or not?
waste of time, nothing is happening in this conversation.
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Sandroba's been pretty quiet. I don't hate the Koshi push, but unfortunately it's lacking in substance. His Exo target isn't bad per se but I don't think there's been much for him to push against at the point that he targeted him. Not clear but I'd let him live for now.
Exo's filter is pretty trash. The late switch to Chairman is kinda out of the blue.
On June 12 2014 06:23 ExO_ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2014 06:02 marvellosity wrote:On June 12 2014 05:54 ExO_ wrote:On June 12 2014 05:40 gumshoe wrote:On June 12 2014 05:26 ExO_ wrote:
Gumshoe, I don't see what makes you think I'm afraid to give out opinions on people. I think the vast majority of what's happening so far is silly speculation based on virtually nothing. I have no desire to join the super psycho-analyst club and explain why every little post means you either scum or town. When I've had opinions on people I've voiced them so far.
Though I think the early banter may serve a purpose, people are way to full of themselves if they honestly believe they can discern mafia based on whats happened so far. When I have something to add, I'll add it. Ultimately Exo, this is a game / : and I often feel like town players get that, but scum don't as a result of the fear we impose on them. A reluctance to post reads as fear to me but I've never played you before so I won't pretend as if I really know what your thinking. That said, I feel it's unfair of you to amount all that's been said to psycho analyst banter ) : a lot of interesting valid things have been said by your peers and if none of it appeals to you why are you playing this game? Speaking of which, your goal in this match is two fold, it is not enough to find scum, you have to prove to us that your town so that by the time you do offer up your true accusations we trust you enough to follow. that's why we all offer these reads ( even if they're not perfect) as opposed to hoarding our suspicions like menacing house wives. mmmm but I feel almost like it's rude to voice without good reasoning. For example, JAT has posted barely anything worthwhile imo, rarely posting more than a single sentence. I don't feel like he's doing anything to contribute towards town, and is just generally stirring things up while sitting back. But I don't have any major disagreements with the things he's saying, nor do I feel like me scrutinizing him is justified in this case as I have nothing really to go on. So I haven't said anything. Anybody else keeping up with the thread can clearly read what I'm reading and can make their own judgements on him. There's nothing I feel like I've noticed that needs to be voiced. Everybody else seems to have a better feel for everybody else, having played them in other games; this is my first game so I'm getting my first reads on everybody right now. I don't think it's fair for me to voice every thought and possibility that occurs to me just yet because I don't know everybody. I'm still forming my opinions, and I'd hate to undermine my ability to argue what I think later because I committed to an opinion too early (that I later changed my mind on.) that's silly, i'll probably change my mind 100 times over the course of the game, that's part of playing mafia it's through seeing your opinions and the reasons behind them that people can get a good read on you, and changing your mind doesn't undermine anything. Changing your mind all the time can easily get you killed. Saying X is scum, then Y is scum, then Z is scum...people are gonna start thinking your scum trying to throw the blame off yourself. Obviously adapting and assessing and reassessing is a part of the game. But I'm not going to spout off bullshit for the sake of spouting off bullshit. If I saw something that I thought would help the town, I'd say it.
This post is rather odd to me too because of it's sheer lack of confidence. He's already looking to concede that he's terrible and won't help. He doesn't find anything that he's said as helpful in any way. That's a mentality that I find very hard to come from town, even newish town or newish to TL town. There's no balls to it; no, "I'll find something good and useful to say." Good lynch.
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oh my, that sentence was terrible.
point still stands though, talk about things that matter.
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On June 12 2014 15:40 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
can we not fixate on whether or not holyflare is actually gone or not?
waste of time, nothing is happening in this conversation.
says the guy who won't respond when I ask game relevant questions -.-
so what did you mean by everything?
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On June 12 2014 15:17 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2014 15:16 TicaTica wrote:
Erandor is a not back lurker lynch, but coinflippy.
Chairman Ray is very measured. I don't much like measured. His posting on Koshi is what really bugs me. That said, it feels like it's hitting the right buttons for the wrong reasons. Plus a bit overzealous in the beginning. Maybe an ok lynch later on. his post on roundabout is pretty good like a few pages ago
I didn't read that far, didn't see a point. It's not a bad point, but he's treating Robik and Mocsta as if they're the same people when they're not. Not sure it's useful but it is an interesting post. I'll return to it on the weekend.
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On June 12 2014 15:41 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2014 15:40 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
can we not fixate on whether or not holyflare is actually gone or not?
waste of time, nothing is happening in this conversation. says the guy who won't respond when I ask game relevant questions -.- so what did you mean by everything?
hey, you pointed out my hypocrisy. i guess youve earned an answer then.
i think your push on kush is really shallow and it makes me feel like ive missed something. kind of like last game. lots of your pushes were based on people not doing things and they really bothered me because its an easy agenda for scum to push.
but you were town so what do i know.
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and dont get used to this answer thing.
everybody gets one.
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Kush has been more active than I'd expect in a game like this. Not quite sure what he's doing or thinking right now. Probably an alright detective check but meh I'd rather he try and read filters and play the game instead of just claim jester to try and get himself lynched or not lynched or whatever else.
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On June 12 2014 05:54 ExO_ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2014 05:40 gumshoe wrote:On June 12 2014 05:26 ExO_ wrote:
Gumshoe, I don't see what makes you think I'm afraid to give out opinions on people. I think the vast majority of what's happening so far is silly speculation based on virtually nothing. I have no desire to join the super psycho-analyst club and explain why every little post means you either scum or town. When I've had opinions on people I've voiced them so far.
Though I think the early banter may serve a purpose, people are way to full of themselves if they honestly believe they can discern mafia based on whats happened so far. When I have something to add, I'll add it. Ultimately Exo, this is a game / : and I often feel like town players get that, but scum don't as a result of the fear we impose on them. A reluctance to post reads as fear to me but I've never played you before so I won't pretend as if I really know what your thinking. That said, I feel it's unfair of you to amount all that's been said to psycho analyst banter ) : a lot of interesting valid things have been said by your peers and if none of it appeals to you why are you playing this game? Speaking of which, your goal in this match is two fold, it is not enough to find scum, you have to prove to us that your town so that by the time you do offer up your true accusations we trust you enough to follow. that's why we all offer these reads ( even if they're not perfect) as opposed to hoarding our suspicions like menacing house wives. mmmm but I feel almost like it's rude to voice without good reasoning. For example, JAT has posted barely anything worthwhile imo, rarely posting more than a single sentence. I don't feel like he's doing anything to contribute towards town, and is just generally stirring things up while sitting back. But I don't have any major disagreements with the things he's saying, nor do I feel like me scrutinizing him is justified in this case as I have nothing really to go on. So I haven't said anything. Anybody else keeping up with the thread can clearly read what I'm reading and can make their own judgements on him. There's nothing I feel like I've noticed that needs to be voiced. Everybody else seems to have a better feel for everybody else, having played them in other games; this is my first game so I'm getting my first reads on everybody right now. I don't think it's fair for me to voice every thought and possibility that occurs to me just yet because I don't know everybody. I'm still forming my opinions, and I'd hate to undermine my ability to argue what I think later because I committed to an opinion too early (that I later changed my mind on.)
How is the bolded not a glaring contradiction?
On June 12 2014 06:04 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2014 05:06 Koshi wrote:
Either I am really wrong or everybody else is really wrong.
I am going to go with everybody else. I don't feel like this is something village koshi reasons out. He usually is one to just try to sheep/read off others bringing in his own evidence but not ignore everyone else.
Weird. This post looks exactly like "village" koshi to me. I would give him townpoints for this.
On June 12 2014 06:21 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2014 05:19 gumshoe wrote:On June 12 2014 05:08 Chromatically wrote:
gumshoe, I couldn't help but notice that your post is lacking a read on Koshi. Care to indulge me? I liked your push onto him, but I'm not a fan of how quickly the wagon picked up speed. That and alota people I don't like have been taking sucker punches at Koshi throughout the game ( namely chairman). As for the contradiction, it looks bad, but as someone who contradicts himself constantly I can totally see it coming out of town Koshi. Lastly, saying your gonna play awesome then not posting for ages is sorta asking to get lynched, scum Koshi is more careful that that / : I could be wrong( not a foreign state for me ) but at the moment I much rather lynch chair and I'd like to see what Koshi contributes while not under threat of lynch. He got 4 votes... there is 30 people. I mean if it was 10 votes in 5 minutes thats one thing but 4 votes I hardly think is pause for concern.
Maybe but you have to take into account that besides the votes on him there were several influential people calling for his head.
On June 12 2014 08:16 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2014 07:37 marvellosity wrote:On June 12 2014 07:35 ritoky wrote:On June 12 2014 07:33 marvellosity wrote:On June 12 2014 07:32 ritoky wrote:On June 12 2014 07:28 marvellosity wrote:On June 12 2014 07:27 ritoky wrote:On June 12 2014 06:50 marvellosity wrote:On June 12 2014 06:48 ritoky wrote:On June 12 2014 06:43 Tehpoofter wrote:
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I just think that you are a smart/good enough player to realize you might just be very off. Especially if a lot of people are not reading the same especially when you have a scum read in a game so large on one of the more active players.
I may have read it last night and forgotten but what was the reason you're voting MZ? Idk, I am reading the thread fairly similarly to koshi. Maybe not so much on who he thought was town in his earlier posts, but his top 2 scum reads are MZ and chrom, and I agree with both; chrom for similar reasons, MZ for somewhat meta reasons. The response of the read by chrom is just off. He gets wayyyyyy too strong of a scum read off of nearly nothing from sinani, it just doesn't sit well at all. And in regards to MZ, all he said in response to my freedom post (which was specifically directed at him) was "good to see ritokys town". I expected at least a murrica joke or picture in response. But moreso he just oozed town last game and I don't get those same vibes from him. Plus his posting style is much different, much more restrained. Just feels off. could you answer my previous question to you pls? sorry, must have missed it. TMI = too much information? as in chrom has more information than me, as in he knows whos mafia and whos town, as in he's mafia. is that the explanation you were looking for? but if it reeks of TMI, the only logical explanation is that Koshi is mafia. otherwise it doesn't make sense. what else am I missing? ? that post was about sinani, JAT, and chrom? I was talking about how I felt Chrom baited out sinani into giving a crap read on JAT because JAT hadn't really posted in the thread much; then he disproportionately reacted to the read given by sinani and claimed a STRONG scum read from it. How any1 gets a strong read at all from sinani's early filter is beyond me. So I think he is working with some excess info. yes i got the wrong name. what extra information do you think he is working with then? that's what i'm getting at. what extra info does he have that leads him to question it more forecefully than you think is warranted Your logic here is circular. I just said chrom was mafia about 30 seconds ago. I think he either knew sinani was town and was trying to get in easy points or he knew sinani was mafia and was trying to bus early, either way the scope of chrom's reaction is bs and he is probably scum. And question it is being generous. He didn't really question it, he just claimed massive scum read. that's just random baseless speculation though. you can't say something reeks of TMI and then not even have an opinion on what the information is, that's ridiculous. it's quite a leap to go from "this reaction is over the top" to "this reeks of TMI" i fail to see where the logical leap is. someone asks a question, someone gives an inconclusive answer imo, the person who asked concludes something extreme from the answer. to me that indicates that he has some information that i don't. if you don't see that then i think you need to freshen up on your logic.
Marv already explained this well enough but once again: If he has additional information that means he either KNOWS sinani is town or he KNOWS sinani is scum. Since he is pushing for him you seem to indicate that the latter is the case. That only makes sense if they are scumbuddies.
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On June 12 2014 15:40 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
can we not fixate on whether or not holyflare is actually gone or not?
waste of time, nothing is happening in this conversation.
Yes please.
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On June 12 2014 15:46 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2014 15:41 Holyflare wrote:On June 12 2014 15:40 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
can we not fixate on whether or not holyflare is actually gone or not?
waste of time, nothing is happening in this conversation. says the guy who won't respond when I ask game relevant questions -.- so what did you mean by everything? hey, you pointed out my hypocrisy. i guess youve earned an answer then. i think your push on kush is really shallow and it makes me feel like ive missed something. kind of like last game. lots of your pushes were based on people not doing things and they really bothered me because its an easy agenda for scum to push. but you were town so what do i know.
On June 12 2014 13:46 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
im gonna vote kush instead.
dude is just actively lurking and posting enough to get by, and thats not even getting into his roleclaim earlier.
On June 12 2014 14:57 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2014 14:51 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
man i feel so old. i graduated a year ago, but im thinking of going back to school to learn programming.
idk, post grad life has made me feel really empty. its like i have no sense of direction.
also, for the sake of staying on topic, hf why did you vote kush? i've already finished a degree, this is another one  not more than what's abundantly obvious? lack of doing anything, claiming to be jester (what artanis does as mostly mafia) lots of little digs/q's with no insightful random 1 liner kush momentsnot like he can't be town, just don't really care if he is if that's all he's gonna do, snb/va is pretty much equal in terms of lynching but kush is posting
I'd hate to wander what your reason was if mine was shallow ~_~ what a disingenuous train of thought from you
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hey, you pointed out my hypocrisy. i guess youve earned an answer then.
i think your push on kush is really shallow and it makes me feel like ive missed something. kind of like last game. lots of your pushes were based on people not doing things and they really bothered me because its an easy agenda for scum to push.
but you were town so what do i know.
how do i read thread someone help
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On June 12 2014 15:56 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +hey, you pointed out my hypocrisy. i guess youve earned an answer then.
i think your push on kush is really shallow and it makes me feel like ive missed something. kind of like last game. lots of your pushes were based on people not doing things and they really bothered me because its an easy agenda for scum to push.
but you were town so what do i know. how do i read thread someone help
how does that alter what you've said at all?
You: Kush done nothing will vote!
Me: Kush done nothing, not kushesque 1 liners and content, little digs, will vote!
You: HF so shallow (despite being more reasons than mine), must have missed something!
Why would you have this reaction if my reasons for voting him are > your reasons for voting him and it's a wagon that you clearly wanted to be on.
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someone get this explained ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ gotta get back to studying solidly now
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On June 12 2014 15:59 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2014 15:56 ObiWanShinobi wrote:hey, you pointed out my hypocrisy. i guess youve earned an answer then.
i think your push on kush is really shallow and it makes me feel like ive missed something. kind of like last game. lots of your pushes were based on people not doing things and they really bothered me because its an easy agenda for scum to push.
but you were town so what do i know. how do i read thread someone help glob glob glob lets talk in a circle
sure okay.
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EVERYONE KNOWS YOU ARE NOT STUDYING. YOU ARE HERE.
YOU ARE ALWAYS HERE.
ONE OF US.
ONE OF US.
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On June 12 2014 16:04 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2014 15:59 Holyflare wrote:On June 12 2014 15:56 ObiWanShinobi wrote:hey, you pointed out my hypocrisy. i guess youve earned an answer then.
i think your push on kush is really shallow and it makes me feel like ive missed something. kind of like last game. lots of your pushes were based on people not doing things and they really bothered me because its an easy agenda for scum to push.
but you were town so what do i know. how do i read thread someone help glob glob glob lets talk in a circle sure okay.
So do you actually think HF is scum?
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On June 12 2014 16:12 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2014 16:04 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On June 12 2014 15:59 Holyflare wrote:On June 12 2014 15:56 ObiWanShinobi wrote:hey, you pointed out my hypocrisy. i guess youve earned an answer then.
i think your push on kush is really shallow and it makes me feel like ive missed something. kind of like last game. lots of your pushes were based on people not doing things and they really bothered me because its an easy agenda for scum to push.
but you were town so what do i know. how do i read thread someone help glob glob glob lets talk in a circle sure okay. So do you actually think HF is scum?
nah, im making fun of him.
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Hi
Sleep I do not
Bill Murray perhaps wants me to vote as he does
##Whoever he said,
see the thread
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