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batsnacks
United States4466 Posts
On June 11 2014 14:09 Chairman Ray wrote: Are you claiming that town players will always play off-the-cuff? ALWAYS is a bad word to use in mafia. Your posts in general are guilty of generalizing how mafia is played. Add that to the problems I have with what you've contributed. | ||
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TheKingOfTheCats
United Kingdom160 Posts
Having said that here's a proper read. Exo (or is it EvO?) is town. Scum wouldn't be stupid enough to point out someone was breadcrumbing a power role in the thread and seeing as he's proved that he's a noob he wouldn't be smart enough to know the WIFOM potential of pointing it out as scum either. | ||
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Tehpoofter
United States2911 Posts
We could! ##unvote ##Vote Ketomai | ||
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Tehpoofter
United States2911 Posts
Quit lurking HF! If I have a bigger filter than you, you should consider yourself failing. | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17336 Posts
On June 11 2014 14:13 ObiWanShinobi wrote: you actually died a couple pages back and you need to stop posting. Until host PM me I disbelieve you | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17336 Posts
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Chairman Ray
United States11903 Posts
On June 11 2014 14:15 batsnacks wrote: ALWAYS is a bad word to use in mafia. Your posts in general are guilty of generalizing how mafia is played. Add that to the problems I have with what you've contributed. Firstly, you have not given any response to my criticisms of you. All you did was try to redirection suspicions onto me. Secondly, you did the exact same thing with the question I just asked you. Thirdly, you took the word 'always' completely out of context in order to make it look like I made a blanket statement. It is very clear this isn't the case. I made a one line question so there wasn't much for you to read. I don't believe for a second that you made a reading error. This mistake was done intentionally. If you are wondering why I asked you that question, it was because you base your entire read off of me because you saw ONE person do something similar. A sample size of ONE. In order for you to make this read, you would have to have seen ZERO town play similarly. This is why I asked you believe that a town will always play off-the-cuff. I'm gonna stop right here because you like me to keep things short. But it's pretty clear you are playing this way intentionally. You are intentionally avoiding any criticism or question I have of you. You are willingly taking people's posts out of context and selecting those that are convenient to your scumreads while ignoring everything else. You have very arbitrary standards as to what you find towny and what you find scummy. Putting myself in your shoes, I can't picture the things you have said to be from someone trying to find out who's town and who's mafia. You clearly have the motivations of someone who's trying to look active, and trying to get a mislynch happening. I have a fairly strong read that you are mafia. ##Unvote ##Vote: batsnacks | ||
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mattisfoolish
United States76 Posts
It's a good one I'm also not opposed to this train. ~Foolishness | ||
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mattisfoolish
United States76 Posts
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batsnacks
United States4466 Posts
On June 11 2014 15:31 Chairman Ray wrote: Firstly, you have not given any response to my criticisms of you. All you did was try to redirection suspicions onto me. Secondly, you did the exact same thing with the question I just asked you. Thirdly, you took the word 'always' completely out of context in order to make it look like I made a blanket statement. It is very clear this isn't the case. I made a one line question so there wasn't much for you to read. I don't believe for a second that you made a reading error. This mistake was done intentionally. If you are wondering why I asked you that question, it was because you base your entire read off of me because you saw ONE person do something similar. A sample size of ONE. In order for you to make this read, you would have to have seen ZERO town play similarly. This is why I asked you believe that a town will always play off-the-cuff. I'm gonna stop right here because you like me to keep things short. But it's pretty clear you are playing this way intentionally. You are intentionally avoiding any criticism or question I have of you. You are willingly taking people's posts out of context and selecting those that are convenient to your scumreads while ignoring everything else. You have very arbitrary standards as to what you find towny and what you find scummy. Putting myself in your shoes, I can't picture the things you have said to be from someone trying to find out who's town and who's mafia. You clearly have the motivations of someone who's trying to look active, and trying to get a mislynch happening. I have a fairly strong read that you are mafia. ##Unvote ##Vote: batsnacks First, I gave you a response, if you didn't like my response fine, but that's not the same as me not giving one. Secondly, I scum read you first. That isn't "redirecting" suspicion. It was already there. Third, I didn't take 'always' out of context. In that question you were asking me to say that town ALWAYS acts a certain way. That is the definition of a blanket statement. You are asking me to commit a blanket statement about how town behaves every game. I'm not going to do that. Fourth, I didn't base my entire read off of you because I saw "ONE" person do something similar. I brought up that specific example when I was talking to obiwan because me and obiwan were both in that game and I thought it would be relevant to him. Fifth, it's about time you voted me. | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh
United States6788 Posts
Also foolishness you make me so sad  | ||
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batsnacks
United States4466 Posts
Do you agree with Chairman Ray that I look like someone who is trying to look active and get a mislynch happening? | ||
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Tehpoofter
United States2911 Posts
On June 11 2014 15:39 mattisfoolish wrote: ##Vote: Meapak_Ziphh It's a good one I'm also not opposed to this train. ~Foolishness Jump on the village express or Tell me why MZ is a wolf. | ||
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Chairman Ray
United States11903 Posts
On June 11 2014 16:06 batsnacks wrote: First, I gave you a response, if you didn't like my response fine, but that's not the same as me not giving one. Secondly, I scum read you first. That isn't "redirecting" suspicion. It was already there. Third, I didn't take 'always' out of context. In that question you were asking me to say that town ALWAYS acts a certain way. That is the definition of a blanket statement. You are asking me to commit a blanket statement about how town behaves every game. I'm not going to do that. Fourth, I didn't base my entire read off of you because I saw "ONE" person do something similar. I brought up that specific example when I was talking to obiwan because me and obiwan were both in that game and I thought it would be relevant to him. Fifth, it's about time you voted me. When I gave my mafia read on you and when I asked you the follow up question, your response was simply to restate your scumread on me instead of talking about any of the points that I have raised. I do not consider this as a proper response but if you would like to consider it as not liking the response, I'm also okay with that. We both know exactly was said and naming it one way or another changes nothing. I still believe that you are taking 'always' out of context. You initially accused me of generalizing because I used the word 'always' in a blanket statement when in fact I was accusing you of doing this. These are two very different things and there's no mistaking one for the other. It was evident that you were generalizing when your entire defense was that you saw someone in a previous game with some similarities. You had no analysis on why being 'careful' or 'thorough' was scummy. How am I supposed to interpret this? How is anyone else supposed to interpret this? Given that this was just an example and you do have some reasoning in your mind, I'm willing to drop this, but I would still be delighted to know your reasoning. | ||
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Tehpoofter
United States2911 Posts
On June 11 2014 16:20 batsnacks wrote: Well sorry but I don't know how to make it smarter. I feel like I'm right. Do you agree with Chairman Ray that I look like someone who is trying to look active and get a mislynch happening? Do you think I'm still wolfy? Like I realize I posted a fair amount for day one but read my filter and tell me what my agenda is as a wolf. What do you think of Ketomai? | ||
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Tehpoofter
United States2911 Posts
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ritoky
United States6851 Posts
if any1 has any recommended portions that are "must read" let me know, as no guarantee i will be able to make it through 30 or so pages before i have to sleep. | ||
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batsnacks
United States4466 Posts
On June 11 2014 16:38 Chairman Ray wrote: When I gave my mafia read on you and when I asked you the follow up question, your response was simply to restate your scumread on me instead of talking about any of the points that I have raised. I do not consider this as a proper response but if you would like to consider it as not liking the response, I'm also okay with that. We both know exactly was said and naming it one way or another changes nothing. I still believe that you are taking 'always' out of context. You initially accused me of generalizing because I used the word 'always' in a blanket statement when in fact I was accusing you of doing this. These are two very different things and there's no mistaking one for the other. It was evident that you were generalizing when your entire defense was that you saw someone in a previous game with some similarities. You had no analysis on why being 'careful' or 'thorough' was scummy. How am I supposed to interpret this? How is anyone else supposed to interpret this? Given that this was just an example and you do have some reasoning in your mind, I'm willing to drop this, but I would still be delighted to know your reasoning. I responded to every point you made as best I could. Yes I restated the point I made about you with different adjectives, but if you read some of my other posts in that time frame you will notice I mentioned that you, at the time, were my weakest read. This is when I point out that you have made a bigger deal out of that than anything anyone has done in this game so far. About the second part, sorry I thought you were trying to trap me into making a blanket statement. Which, read it again from my perspective please: On June 11 2014 14:09 Chairman Ray wrote: Are you claiming that town players will always play off-the-cuff? I don't think it was unreasonable for me to think that. Do I think that town players will usually play off-the-cuff as compared to mafia? Yes. "Usually" and "always" are hugely different though. | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17336 Posts
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batsnacks
United States4466 Posts
On June 11 2014 17:01 Alakaslam wrote: So where is the case on roundabout please? Alakaslam do you post thoughts or just words? I can't figure it out by myself. | ||
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