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On June 11 2014 14:09 Chairman Ray wrote:


Are you claiming that town players will always play off-the-cuff?

On June 11 2014 12:14 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


we can just lynch him today, though.

On June 11 2014 12:29 Holyflare wrote:


Roger, roger.

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On June 11 2014 14:15 batsnacks wrote:


ALWAYS is a bad word to use in mafia. Your posts in general are guilty of generalizing how mafia is played. Add that to the problems I have with what you've contributed.

On June 11 2014 14:59 Tehpoofter wrote:


We could!

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##Vote Ketomai

On June 11 2014 15:31 Chairman Ray wrote:


Firstly, you have not given any response to my criticisms of you. All you did was try to redirection suspicions onto me.

Secondly, you did the exact same thing with the question I just asked you.

Thirdly, you took the word 'always' completely out of context in order to make it look like I made a blanket statement. It is very clear this isn't the case. I made a one line question so there wasn't much for you to read. I don't believe for a second that you made a reading error. This mistake was done intentionally.

If you are wondering why I asked you that question, it was because you base your entire read off of me because you saw ONE person do something similar. A sample size of ONE. In order for you to make this read, you would have to have seen ZERO town play similarly. This is why I asked you believe that a town will always play off-the-cuff.

I'm gonna stop right here because you like me to keep things short. But it's pretty clear you are playing this way intentionally. You are intentionally avoiding any criticism or question I have of you. You are willingly taking people's posts out of context and selecting those that are convenient to your scumreads while ignoring everything else. You have very arbitrary standards as to what you find towny and what you find scummy. Putting myself in your shoes, I can't picture the things you have said to be from someone trying to find out who's town and who's mafia. You clearly have the motivations of someone who's trying to look active, and trying to get a mislynch happening. I have a fairly strong read that you are mafia.

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##Vote: batsnacks

On June 11 2014 15:39 mattisfoolish wrote:
##Vote: Meapak_Ziphh

It's a good one


I'm also not opposed to this train.

~Foolishness

On June 11 2014 16:06 batsnacks wrote:


First, I gave you a response, if you didn't like my response fine, but that's not the same as me not giving one.

Secondly, I scum read you first. That isn't "redirecting" suspicion. It was already there.

Third, I didn't take 'always' out of context. In that question you were asking me to say that town ALWAYS acts a certain way. That is the definition of a blanket statement. You are asking me to commit a blanket statement about how town behaves every game. I'm not going to do that.

Fourth, I didn't base my entire read off of you because I saw "ONE" person do something similar. I brought up that specific example when I was talking to obiwan because me and obiwan were both in that game and I thought it would be relevant to him.

Fifth, it's about time you voted me.

On June 11 2014 16:20 batsnacks wrote:
Well sorry but I don't know how to make it smarter. I feel like I'm right.

Do you agree with Chairman Ray that I look like someone who is trying to look active and get a mislynch happening?

On June 11 2014 16:38 Chairman Ray wrote:


When I gave my mafia read on you and when I asked you the follow up question, your response was simply to restate your scumread on me instead of talking about any of the points that I have raised. I do not consider this as a proper response but if you would like to consider it as not liking the response, I'm also okay with that. We both know exactly was said and naming it one way or another changes nothing.

I still believe that you are taking 'always' out of context. You initially accused me of generalizing because I used the word 'always' in a blanket statement when in fact I was accusing you of doing this. These are two very different things and there's no mistaking one for the other. It was evident that you were generalizing when your entire defense was that you saw someone in a previous game with some similarities. You had no analysis on why being 'careful' or 'thorough' was scummy. How am I supposed to interpret this? How is anyone else supposed to interpret this? Given that this was just an example and you do have some reasoning in your mind, I'm willing to drop this, but I would still be delighted to know your reasoning.

On June 11 2014 14:09 Chairman Ray wrote:


Are you claiming that town players will always play off-the-cuff?

On June 11 2014 17:01 Alakaslam wrote:
So where is the case on roundabout please?