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On June 23 2014 23:26 roundabound wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 23:24 strongandbig wrote:On June 23 2014 22:50 roundabound wrote:
This blows. Just saw the nightkills results. That means they either have a vigi or 501st sgt just used his shot. Unless another town vigi wants to claim the shot on exo.
Town roles we know:
plammar: mason
koshi: vigi
Rainbows: mason
Marv: role cop
exo: medic
Chrom: tracker
That leaves 2 more. Will catch up with the thread now to see what else happened.
I don't know how explicit what me and rainbows were doing in the thread was, but it's probably more likely that an experienced mafia picked up on the role swap...unless everyone says that it was blatantly obvious. Why is rainbows' claim that you are mason not on this list Cause I'm not mason. We discussed role swapping as a possibility in our QT and on multiple occasions we discussed it in the thread. He said something along the lines of swapping minds or stepping in his shoes and "i think it's time" and then he claimed that I'm mason.
Oh.
So when he said you are "100% town" he meant based on his reads not on roles?
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On June 23 2014 23:26 roundabound wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 23:19 strongandbig wrote:
Wait nvm exo never actually claimed medic like round said be did exo is dead medic?
Oh right
Then we have too many blue claims?
Confirmed:
Marv - rolecop
Koshi - vig
Palmer - mason
Rainbows - mason
Exo - medic
Claimed:
Chrom - tracker
Sinani - tracker
Alakazam - vet
Known to exist but unclaimed - jailkeeper
So one out of chrom, sinani, and alakazam has to be mafia?
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Unless one of them is actually the jailkeeper and is fakeclaiming a different blue role to fuck with us, which would be retarded but believable given previous fakeclaims in this game...
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On June 23 2014 23:33 roundabound wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 23:29 strongandbig wrote:On June 23 2014 23:26 roundabound wrote:On June 23 2014 23:24 strongandbig wrote:On June 23 2014 22:50 roundabound wrote:
This blows. Just saw the nightkills results. That means they either have a vigi or 501st sgt just used his shot. Unless another town vigi wants to claim the shot on exo.
Town roles we know:
plammar: mason
koshi: vigi
Rainbows: mason
Marv: role cop
exo: medic
Chrom: tracker
That leaves 2 more. Will catch up with the thread now to see what else happened.
I don't know how explicit what me and rainbows were doing in the thread was, but it's probably more likely that an experienced mafia picked up on the role swap...unless everyone says that it was blatantly obvious. Why is rainbows' claim that you are mason not on this list Cause I'm not mason. We discussed role swapping as a possibility in our QT and on multiple occasions we discussed it in the thread. He said something along the lines of swapping minds or stepping in his shoes and "i think it's time" and then he claimed that I'm mason. Oh. So when he said you are "100% town" he meant based on his reads not on roles? he was softing that he could confirm me based off of the fact that we were setting up a role swap in which i claim mason and he claims VT. The only problem is that he blew his load too early and I think made it too obvious what we were doing instead of waiting for today when we were set to mass-claim. Updating: 1-plammar: mason 2-koshi: vigi 3-Rainbows: mason 4-Marv: role cop 5-exo: medic 6-Chrom: tracker 7-sinani: tracker 8-slam: vet 9-unknown: jk so 6,7, or 8 is a lie. Sinani is most likely tracker based off of the fact that chrom confirmed the visit to rainbows. so one of chrom or slam is lying....or marv was lying about being jk'd in the hopes of getting extra checks (highly unlikely). Not sure if we should lynch out of the two of them or lynch into the VTs.
Yeah but that doesn't actually confirm you right?
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I mean it's not like I want to lynch you today given the role mess but it's important to keep track of who is actually confirmed vs who had dead people read them as town
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Ok suppose chrom is town tracker and sinani is scum - the only way sinani guesses correctly who chrom visited is by random chance. He knows chrom was tracker so he would visit someone, but there was a very small chance he guesses correctly given that there's more than ten players still left. I'm comfortable saying sinani is actually tracker.
Then for chrom to have visited rainbows, he either would have to be actual tracker, or sergeant using his KP or roleblock.
The thing is, if chrome's scum why would be claim miller to the ritocky check? He would know that ritocky is fakeclaiming but why give up the green check? Answer: he would do this if ninja bunnies was also scum. He would have to do it, otherwise we lynch bunnies, get a red result, then ritocky reveals the fakeclaim and chrom doesn't even get the green check.
This makes way more sense as a justification for a fakeclaim than what slam did btw. In a game with a known number of blue roles, there's literally no reason for slam to fakeclaim when he did.
So we have a 50-50 chance of hitting mafia between slam and chrom, and I think there was way more scum motivation for chrom's fakeclaim than for slam's.
##vote: chromatically
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On June 24 2014 00:17 roundabound wrote:
1 of the VTs will be claiming JK (i'm assuming at some point). There are 9VTs and 4 mafia within them and 1 blue. There are 3 blue claims with 1 mafia within them.
I think that it is unlikely that sinani is fake, leaving slam or chrom. I don't see motivation for EITHER OF THEM to fake claim. So unless there is no JK (unlikely) or one of them is actually JK (maybe?), we are 50-50 to hit mafia here
If we lynch out of VTs (i'm pretty sure that most people have me as town by this point either way), we also have a 50-50 chance to lynch scum. Not sure what our best avenue is, but I'm leaning towards lynching out of VT because mislynching a blue would be way more catastrophic.
I explained the motivation to fakeclaim, like two posts above this one. We have a much better than 50-50 to hit mafia, chromatically is the only one who has a motivation to fakeclaim.
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On June 23 2014 23:45 strongandbig wrote:
The thing is, if chrome's scum why would be claim miller to the ritocky check? He would know that ritocky is fakeclaiming but why give up the green check? Answer: he would do this if ninja bunnies was also scum. He would have to do it, otherwise we lynch bunnies, get a red result, then ritocky reveals the fakeclaim and chrom doesn't even get the green check.
This makes way more sense as a justification for a fakeclaim than what slam did btw. In a game with a known number of blue roles, there's literally no reason for slam to fakeclaim when he did.
So we have a 50-50 chance of hitting mafia between slam and chrom, and I think there was way more scum motivation for chrom's fakeclaim than for slam's.
##vote: chromatically
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On June 24 2014 00:17 roundabound wrote:
from town to scum (out of VTs):
roundabound
Holyflare - VT
ObiWanShinobi - VT
Erandorr replaced by 27ninjabunnies - VT
batsnacks - VT
strongandbig - VT
VayneAuthority - VT
Chairman Ray - VT
ritoky - VT
this is, almost literally, a list ordered by postcount. I feel like this game has already shown it's not that easy.
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whats the slip? coloring kush green?
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also we almost certainly do have a jk
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On June 24 2014 02:34 roundabound wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 23:45 strongandbig wrote:
Ok suppose chrom is town tracker and sinani is scum - the only way sinani guesses correctly who chrom visited is by random chance. He knows chrom was tracker so he would visit someone, but there was a very small chance he guesses correctly given that there's more than ten players still left. I'm comfortable saying sinani is actually tracker.
Then for chrom to have visited rainbows, he either would have to be actual tracker, or sergeant using his KP or roleblock.
The thing is, if chrome's scum why would be claim miller to the ritocky check? He would know that ritocky is fakeclaiming but why give up the green check? Answer: he would do this if ninja bunnies was also scum. He would have to do it, otherwise we lynch bunnies, get a red result, then ritocky reveals the fakeclaim and chrom doesn't even get the green check.
This makes way more sense as a justification for a fakeclaim than what slam did btw. In a game with a known number of blue roles, there's literally no reason for slam to fakeclaim when he did.
So we have a 50-50 chance of hitting mafia between slam and chrom, and I think there was way more scum motivation for chrom's fakeclaim than for slam's.
##vote: chromatically Lol... If you believe Sinani, then chrome is worth a vote, & so is Bunnies.Ironically, if you believe Sinani -- which you do.... then Bunnies is not worth a vote. ~moc
why? tracking someone doesn't clear them, kp can't be tracked
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On June 24 2014 04:11 roundabound wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2014 04:00 strongandbig wrote:On June 24 2014 02:34 roundabound wrote:On June 23 2014 23:45 strongandbig wrote:
Ok suppose chrom is town tracker and sinani is scum - the only way sinani guesses correctly who chrom visited is by random chance. He knows chrom was tracker so he would visit someone, but there was a very small chance he guesses correctly given that there's more than ten players still left. I'm comfortable saying sinani is actually tracker.
Then for chrom to have visited rainbows, he either would have to be actual tracker, or sergeant using his KP or roleblock.
The thing is, if chrome's scum why would be claim miller to the ritocky check? He would know that ritocky is fakeclaiming but why give up the green check? Answer: he would do this if ninja bunnies was also scum. He would have to do it, otherwise we lynch bunnies, get a red result, then ritocky reveals the fakeclaim and chrom doesn't even get the green check.
This makes way more sense as a justification for a fakeclaim than what slam did btw. In a game with a known number of blue roles, there's literally no reason for slam to fakeclaim when he did.
So we have a 50-50 chance of hitting mafia between slam and chrom, and I think there was way more scum motivation for chrom's fakeclaim than for slam's.
##vote: chromatically Lol... If you believe Sinani, then chrome is worth a vote, & so is Bunnies.Ironically, if you believe Sinani -- which you do.... then Bunnies is not worth a vote. ~moc why? tracking someone doesn't clear them, kp can't be tracked Heres the funny thing though SnB. Whether Chrome *IS* or *IS NOT* scum leads to Bunnies being scum in your world. Why hinge the vote on Chrom, and not default to Bunnies?? Given this is potentially MYLO, the play mind-boggles me. It does not matter whether Chrom is, or is not a blue. What does matter is *hitting* scum. A 50/50 on Chrom is not the smart play for town according to your logic. ~moc
im missing something here. why does chrom not being scum mean bunnies is scum?
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Ok reading cr's post I get why my argument means I should vote nb - it's true that chromatically can't be scum without bunnies being scum.
I will vote either bunnies or holy flare over ritocky, I feel like scum is pushing ritocky hard as the last mislynch they need to win.
##unvote
##vote: 27ninjabunnies
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On June 24 2014 23:37 sinani206 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2014 23:06 strongandbig wrote:
Ok reading cr's post I get why my argument means I should vote nb - it's true that chromatically can't be scum without bunnies being scum.
I will vote either bunnies or holy flare over ritocky, I feel like scum is pushing ritocky hard as the last mislynch they need to win.
##unvote
##vote: 27ninjabunnies which scum
chrom, bunnies, va, one or both of holy and round
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idk, probably not all of those people, but some of them
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On June 25 2014 01:50 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2014 23:06 strongandbig wrote:
Ok reading cr's post I get why my argument means I should vote nb - it's true that chromatically can't be scum without bunnies being scum.
I will vote either bunnies or holy flare over ritocky, I feel like scum is pushing ritocky hard as the last mislynch they need to win.
##unvote
##vote: 27ninjabunnies Show nested quote +On June 24 2014 01:40 Holyflare wrote:
You just go ahead and assume we're not at lylo there snb. There's 100x more motivation to fake claim if it's lylo because then you claim an extra blue and we auto lynch into a possible town. That's way more likely than what you suggest. There's way more chance to hit mafia in vt's.
im voting a vt
plus there's only more chance to hit town if we lynch into vt claims if you accept that your townreads are correct and we exclude some people from the lynch pool.
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OWS I agree with you
let's get someone else lynched
##unvote
##vote: holyflare
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On June 25 2014 05:01 Holyflare wrote:
FUCK FUCK FUCK NO
if you are town you are... pretty bad at it for the amount of effort you put in
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EPT
