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On June 19 2014 05:01 sinani206 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2014 05:00 Chairman Ray wrote:On June 19 2014 04:38 Holyflare wrote:On June 19 2014 04:22 Chairman Ray wrote:
On now. Is there any chance to swing the vote another way before deadline? Looks pretty definitive, which also worries me. On June 19 2014 04:36 Chairman Ray wrote:
Okay, I'm caught up, I think we got a good lynch
Doesn't really make a difference, but
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##Vote: MattIisfoolish Wut? This looks strikingly similar to day 1. In day 1, there was very little resistance to save KotC. This could mean that mafia didn't want to use their vote power until more towns were in favor of switching, or that SnB was mafia, and it was inevitable that a mafia was gonna be lynched that day. 1. In the first case, there wasn't a lot of sway to try to get people off KotC and back on SnB. However near the end, there was a useless bandwagon started on ritoky. It was pretty clear that the vote was either gonna be on SnB or KotC. I have a suspicion that Chrom might be mafia and tried to start this bandwagon as a last ditch effort. No other mafia tried to promote this wagon or vote on it, so they could be waiting for more town approval before doing so in order to avoid suspicion. 2. In the second case, if both SnB and KotC were mafia, it would also explain the ritoky votes. Regardless, if two mafia were up for lynch and there was little way to divert it, then it would make sense for there to be little resistance. Now looking back on today's vote, things look quite similar. When gumshoe and mif were about even, mif took off without much resistance. Then a couple useless votes came on me when it's obvious that it was either gonna be gumshoe of mif. I think it's very possible that mif is mafia, and tica is doing the same thing chrom was doing on day 1, or that both gumshoe and mif are mafia. I still would like to vote SnB, but mif is also a pretty good bet. the point of this post at the deadline?
I know, kinda useless today, but can we consider lynching SnB tomorrow?
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Is Round the only one who seems really motivated right now?
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I don't know if I can speak the same for you, but after that flip, I kinda just want the game to end. It must be a pretty good boost for anyone who's mafia though.
Also kind of fishy when you're the only one who's trying to figure the game out at the start of the night phase. You don't think that maybe the mafia might try to kill you for it?
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18 people left? I count 17.
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Everyone seems to want to lynch me 
Rainbows is my only friend
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On June 20 2014 08:10 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2014 07:19 roundabound wrote:
So I know why JAT was nk'd, but why yamato? The yam kill made absolutely no sense. Do we have noob mafia players? And the JAT kill, eh, still weird over people like HF, Marv, and you imo.
Look at who got shot the night before, tehpoofter, koshi, and kush. Mafia don't have an interest in taking out the high profile players. Yesterday the town focused all discussion on three people who turned out to be town. I don't know why we still have our attention on the less active players here.
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I'm willing to argue that there are multiple very active mafia players. If doesn't make sense for a team with very few active players to shoot yam.
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On June 20 2014 09:09 marvellosity wrote:
well i just gave the scenario where it made sense, but ok.
you best tell us who you think these active mafia players are and why
I'm not personally familiar with your play, Holyflare's, or Rounds, and you all play at a high enough caliber that I'm not latch onto anything particularly scummy. The outcomes of all you guys' actions make sense from both a town or a mafia perspective. The only thing I wouldn't see making sense is if SnB is town, and you or Obiwan is mafia, but I'm pretty sure SnB is mafia, so there goes that read.
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Guys, we really need to get off me here. I want SnB to be lynched today.
On top of all the other cases I have posted on SnB, his overall activity really shows mafia. I know that a lot of the people who flipped town and also myself have dwindled in activity. The difference between all the inactives that flipped VT and SnB is that the VTs have really tried at some point in the game. SnB had a medium level of posts at the start, to very little at the moment, but what stayed constant was his level of trying. If you look through his filter, he has never tried to give any in depth cases or try to scumhunt.
His most recent case was a unnecessarily long post that just said "Holy or Round are scum because they are pushing less active people". He spent the time tabulating everyone's filter lengths, and then his entire evidence and case by saying "Actually wait fuck none of the three of them have discernible scum reads on people who aren't sinani and below, at least not that are mentioned in their last several pages. This is another reason I hate the spammy reactive style, makes it impossible to figure anything out". This shows that he just wrote that entire post on the fly without having the reads or evidence beforehand. Seems like a mafia thing to do to show activity.
I did some more filter diving, and if SnB flips mafia, then I'm thinking a very likely scumteam may be strongandbig, Chromatically, Ketomai, kushm4sta, Holyflare, and TheKingoftheCats. I'll push on these people after flip.
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On June 21 2014 04:38 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 02:39 Holyflare wrote:On June 21 2014 02:29 strongandbig wrote:On June 21 2014 00:17 roundabound wrote:
SnB,
That may be the laziest, most convoluted scumhunting I've EVER seen. That's not even a case against anyone. That's just a terrible assumption based off of people's laziness?
I don't understand how anyone can actually believe that people who are trying to solve the game are scum.
Like, you're sincere in your belief that if I were to sit here and not post and not give reads, I would be town? Are you out of your fucking mind? The reason that people who haven't posted a lot are scum is because they're not giving reads. it's because they're not doing anything to try to solve the game. Yourself included! Get outta here with your shitty ass illogical bullshit. No I'm saying that you (or holy flare or both) are scum because you have no scum reads among anyone who's been posting more than sinani. You're just rolling with a dressed up form of "low post = scum" when it's been clearly proven wrong already this game. why bother making stuff up? I clearly made a lot of cases each night thinking i would die on people that weren't just lurkers and when half the game is classified as lurkers it's kind of hard not to total cop out especially when you just go ahead and assume the mafia nk intentions like that How am I supposed to find them you have like 23 pages There is none of that in like the last threeish pages of your filter.
If you are going to scumread holy for not pushing on certain people, you gotta base it on more than his last 3 pages. Go to his filter, hit All to bring up everything, and ctrl+f people's names and you'll find everyone he's talked about.
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On June 21 2014 04:45 marvellosity wrote:
honestly i don't hate all of these posts from s&b like everyone else seems to. Maybe my scum-ometer is just off this game (barring a nice d1 catch).
I wonder if CR's "filter diving" was anything like KotC's filter diving... :>
Do you think the scumteam I have in mind is plausible?
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I just came back from lunch, catching up on the last 5 pages. Wtf is happening...
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okay, work just blew up, so I can't be around for the next few hours, but it looks like you guys have things under control
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Back for a bit. This play doesn't make sense if ritoky is mafia. At the time I was looking to be lynched. Why would ritoky fake a redcheck to move the lynch from one town to another? The only feasible scenario is that both ritoky and 27nb were mafia, and this was a play intended to gain them both towncred and distance them, but even that is a stretch. I'm gonna have to think about this some more.
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I also kinda like SnB a lot more. He was quite thoughtful for both his responses on why he wanted to lynch ritoky and then why he changed his mind. It's still alarming to me why he's playing like this all of a sudden. I'm going to re-evaluate my case on him.
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Another thing, we know that there is a high likelihood that at least a couple of the mafia are among the super active players here. I don't think any of them would allow ritoky to make a fakeclaim like this if this was planned out in their QT.
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One scenario is starting to make sense.
A big red flag for me right now is why the heck did ritoky fakeclaim to get a response from 27nb, when 27nb isn't even here? Ritoky directed everything at Chrom. Ritoky made sure Chrom was here by doing a little preamble with him. If Ritoky had any intention of trying to trap 27nb, he would have did the same with 27nb. Between Chrom and 27nb, it doesn't make sense to try to get a reaction from Chrom when he was green checked. Now, a few other people here besides me are trying to argue that ritoky is making a town mistake.
I think ritoky is mafia, Chrom is mafia, and at least one of the people defending ritoky is mafia. It was all planned out and the intention was to give ritoky towncred and more importantly, have Chrom be confirmed as town.
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