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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 21 2014 14:34 GMT
#5241
On June 21 2014 23:30 sinani206 wrote:
##Vote: ketomai

I'll be back later.


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Rainbows
Profile Joined March 2013
Germany1217 Posts
June 21 2014 14:36 GMT
#5242
sinani is also mafia.
Rainbows
Profile Joined March 2013
Germany1217 Posts
June 21 2014 14:59 GMT
#5243
but nobody plays this game anymore.

just drop a random vote and dontnpost.
Rainbows
Profile Joined March 2013
Germany1217 Posts
June 21 2014 15:01 GMT
#5244
i can just picture the post game analysis.

town lost because half the town was afk/modkilled/claimed cop
ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
June 21 2014 15:03 GMT
#5245
Vote Count - Day 4:


Chairman Ray (0): marvellosity, roundabound, ExO_, Holyflare, roundabound
Ketomai (3): Rainbows, marvellosity, Rainbows, sinani206
TicaTica (0): 27ninjabunnies
strongandbig (0): roundabound, Chairman Ray
ritoky (6): VayneAuthority, TicaTica, Rainbows, Chromatically, Alakaslam, ExO_, Holyflare, Chairman Ray, marvellosity, strongandbig, 27ninjabunnies, Chairman Ray, ketomai
27ninjabunnies (3): marvellosity, strongandbig, ExO_, marvellosity, roundabound, Holyflare, Rainbows, ObiWanShinobi, batsnacks, Chairman Ray
roundabound (0): Alakaslam
marvellosity (0): batsnacks

Not voting (5): ritoky, strongandbig, roundabound, TicaTica, Holyflare



Currently ritoky is set to be lynched with 6 votes! Day will end in

Remember: Voting is mandatory and has to be done in this thread:
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Rainbows
Profile Joined March 2013
Germany1217 Posts
June 21 2014 15:08 GMT
#5246
Ketomai, sinani probably mafia.

CR snb also good picks.

chance of Obi or bunnies. who else can be mafia? i onky have round and marv confirmed town
Rainbows
Profile Joined March 2013
Germany1217 Posts
June 21 2014 15:15 GMT
#5247
plz be mafia ritoky i cant bear more town badness ;(

damn you fooliahness/sandroba/gum
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 21 2014 15:17 GMT
#5248
On June 21 2014 19:07 marvellosity wrote:
I'm not thinking about this game anymore.


just going to sheep marv for once
27ninjabunnies
Profile Joined April 2014
United States2486 Posts
June 21 2014 15:30 GMT
#5249
Can i please point out in golden sun I was town!

The only game I have been mafia in was Cell 2!

Get your games straight people!

I have rolled town 6 times! Six!!! That in includes this game.

I have no idea where he is getting the idea i was mafia that game.
I suspect the secret of personal attraction is locked up in our unique imperfections, flaws and frailties.~Hugh Mackay
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 21 2014 15:47 GMT
#5250
On June 22 2014 00:30 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Can i please point out in golden sun I was town!

The only game I have been mafia in was Cell 2!

Get your games straight people!

I have rolled town 6 times! Six!!! That in includes this game.

I have no idea where he is getting the idea i was mafia that game.


nowhere in his entire post does it say you were mafia in golden sun
27ninjabunnies
Profile Joined April 2014
United States2486 Posts
June 21 2014 16:16 GMT
#5251
On June 21 2014 19:24 Chairman Ray wrote:
Okay, I read through ritoky and 27nb's filter from Golden Sun.

[b]Ritoky is not mafia. 27nb is. [\b]


If you want to read through the filter yourself, go ahead, if not, I'll give you the relevant key points.

In Golden Sun, Ritoky faked a claim against 27nb. He did it when 27nb wasn't around, and opened it off by discussing his claim with other people. In this game, Ritoky redclaimed against 27nb when 27nb wasn't on yet, and opened it off by discussing with Chrom.

In Golden Sun, Ritoky did not really put much consideration into the option that he might get counterclaimed. In this game, Ritoky got screwed over when Chrom turned out to be miller.

In Golden Sun, 27nb was not one of Ritoky's scumreads, but then he chose 27nb out of everyone to do the fakeclaim on. He didn't do the fakeclaim on someone he had as scum. In this game, 27nb was not one of Ritoky's scumreads, but then he just decided to fakeclaim on 27nb out of everyone.

Ritoky basically just did the exact same sequence for the claim. This is exactly what he does as town on the exact same person, for the third time. He approached it the exact same way, and the only difference really is that he got counterclaimed this time.

Does this mean that Ritoky is town? Not 100%, but it's likely, due to him performing his town strategy. He could also be faking it, but if that were the case, he would have probably said at some point that he's done this kind of thing before. He didn't say anything about doing this twice in previous games until I asked him specifically.

Now let's look at 27nb.

I would like to start off with this quote from Golden Sun, and a quote from this game

Show nested quote +
On May 27 2014 05:54 27ninjabunnies wrote:
On May 27 2014 05:48 ritoky wrote:
On May 27 2014 05:33 layabout wrote:
On May 27 2014 05:28 27ninjabunnies wrote:
It was a pretty good game all in all.

I dont necessarily understand the spreadsheet, so not sure who all was scum...


And what was with the whole "touched by magic" stuff?

riotky's role is actually really cool

if someone is touched by maigc it's a bit complicated but anyone that isn't is conrfirmed vanilla town which would make it powerful. On the other hand recruiter mechanics fuck it up, but hey if he announces someone it's likely that multiple factions would target them and cancel out


Lol, I made that crap up. I was VT, and I had a growing scum read on bunnies, wanted to reaction test her. I also had a doctor read on someone and wanted to eat a bullet for them.


Well you were freaking wrong... Like seriously...


Show nested quote +
On June 21 2014 14:13 27ninjabunnies wrote:
On June 21 2014 14:06 Chairman Ray wrote:
On June 21 2014 14:03 ritoky wrote:
i sincerely hope obiwan is mafia because that is a piss poor attitude for a town to have.

can understand bunnies though, i have fake red checked her in 2 of the 4 games we have played together


have either of them worked?


Nope.

Been town in both.


I would also like to reiterate that ritoky has fakeclaimed against 27nb in previous games as town twice.

From reading 27nb's filter, it reads as if this is the first time 27nb has ever been fakeclaimed against. 27nb is fully aware that ritoky does this kind of thing as town and is used to it by now, so why is she responding this way?

If 27nb thinks ritoky is town, she will allude to previous games and mention that ritoky fakeclaims as town and is terrible at it. If 27nb thinks ritoky is mafia, she might look for subtle differences between this game and what she's used to.

But instead, we get responses like this:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2014 14:54 27ninjabunnies wrote:
On June 21 2014 14:51 batsnacks wrote:
On June 21 2014 14:48 27ninjabunnies wrote:
On June 21 2014 14:46 batsnacks wrote:
On June 21 2014 10:02 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Hahaha, I'm laughing so hard right now. He claimed a green on his top scum lynch, and a red on me, who wasn't even MENTIONED in his reads?! Look in spoiler below.

Scum alert 101.

Even if he rescended, and is VT this is a super bad play. Like wtf.

Plus, I've been scum reading him since I've gotten into this game, and he claims a red on me?!
He's never even mentioned in his filter at all that I was a scum read.

And the fact he does this when CR is about to get lynched, makes me wonder if he is doing it to get off of a mafia member, more likely a pr.

Ritoky, if you are town, that was the stupidest play ever.
If you are mafia, well then gg, you just outed yourself.

##Vote: Ritoky


Look at the self-focus in this post. There's so much attention to the fact that he said she was mafia. There's been a lot of that in bunnies' posts, like with TicaTica.


He just faked a red check on me.
Without even having me as a scumread previously in his reads.
And greened his top scumread.

Why wouldn';t i focus on myself here. It has to do with me?


I'm pretty sure no one's reason for voting ritoky is because he said you were mafia; no one except you.


No, we are voting ritoky cause he fake claimed a red on a town, greened someone who claimed miller, and then when he realized it was going to shit, he rescinded and claimed VT. He will be a question mark from here on out unless a cop checked him, but even then he could be GF, so i think it's in town's best interest to get rid of him.


27nb is going strongly on Ritoky, but her reasonings are not that great. A lot of other people who voted Ritoky pointed to things that separate a town fakeclaiming to a mafia fakeclaiming. Tica's case is a good example. Even after everything, she concludes that Ritoky is just a question mark. Why does 27nb want to lynch Ritoky for being a question mark read, and even if cop checks him clean? That doesn't make any sense. I think I understand what OWS was talking about when he mentioned white-knighting. This seems to me like town is starting to think Ritoky might not be mafia, so the response from 27nb is to keep the lynch on Ritoky, regardless of his role or cop check. This is a really mafia thing to do, especially this close to mylo.

I'm gonna have to consider this a bit more in the morning, but I can't imagine 27nb's response to ritoky's fakeclaim being like this if she's well aware that ritoky does this kind of thing. She's being quite defensive and is pushing really hard for this lynch despite not having any reads on Ritoky's alignment. What really changed between this game and the previous ones? It makes sense if 27nb is mafia this time around.


Actually he did
I suspect the secret of personal attraction is locked up in our unique imperfections, flaws and frailties.~Hugh Mackay
27ninjabunnies
Profile Joined April 2014
United States2486 Posts
June 21 2014 16:23 GMT
#5252
On June 21 2014 19:24 Chairman Ray wrote:
Okay, I read through ritoky and 27nb's filter from Golden Sun.

[b]Ritoky is not mafia. 27nb is. [\b]


If you want to read through the filter yourself, go ahead, if not, I'll give you the relevant key points.

In Golden Sun, Ritoky faked a claim against 27nb. He did it when 27nb wasn't around, and opened it off by discussing his claim with other people. In this game, Ritoky redclaimed against 27nb when 27nb wasn't on yet, and opened it off by discussing with Chrom.

In Golden Sun, Ritoky did not really put much consideration into the option that he might get counterclaimed. In this game, Ritoky got screwed over when Chrom turned out to be miller.

In Golden Sun, 27nb was not one of Ritoky's scumreads, but then he chose 27nb out of everyone to do the fakeclaim on. He didn't do the fakeclaim on someone he had as scum. In this game, 27nb was not one of Ritoky's scumreads, but then he just decided to fakeclaim on 27nb out of everyone.

Ritoky basically just did the exact same sequence for the claim. This is exactly what he does as town on the exact same person, for the third time. He approached it the exact same way, and the only difference really is that he got counterclaimed this time.

Does this mean that Ritoky is town? Not 100%, but it's likely, due to him performing his town strategy. He could also be faking it, but if that were the case, he would have probably said at some point that he's done this kind of thing before. He didn't say anything about doing this twice in previous games until I asked him specifically.

Now let's look at 27nb.

I would like to start off with this quote from Golden Sun, and a quote from this game

Show nested quote +
On May 27 2014 05:54 27ninjabunnies wrote:
On May 27 2014 05:48 ritoky wrote:
On May 27 2014 05:33 layabout wrote:
On May 27 2014 05:28 27ninjabunnies wrote:
It was a pretty good game all in all.

I dont necessarily understand the spreadsheet, so not sure who all was scum...


And what was with the whole "touched by magic" stuff?

riotky's role is actually really cool

if someone is touched by maigc it's a bit complicated but anyone that isn't is conrfirmed vanilla town which would make it powerful. On the other hand recruiter mechanics fuck it up, but hey if he announces someone it's likely that multiple factions would target them and cancel out


Lol, I made that crap up. I was VT, and I had a growing scum read on bunnies, wanted to reaction test her. I also had a doctor read on someone and wanted to eat a bullet for them.


Well you were freaking wrong... Like seriously...


Show nested quote +
On June 21 2014 14:13 27ninjabunnies wrote:
On June 21 2014 14:06 Chairman Ray wrote:
On June 21 2014 14:03 ritoky wrote:
i sincerely hope obiwan is mafia because that is a piss poor attitude for a town to have.

can understand bunnies though, i have fake red checked her in 2 of the 4 games we have played together


have either of them worked?


Nope.

Been town in both.


I would also like to reiterate that ritoky has fakeclaimed against 27nb in previous games as town twice.

From reading 27nb's filter, it reads as if this is the first time 27nb has ever been fakeclaimed against. 27nb is fully aware that ritoky does this kind of thing as town and is used to it by now, so why is she responding this way?

If 27nb thinks ritoky is town, she will allude to previous games and mention that ritoky fakeclaims as town and is terrible at it. If 27nb thinks ritoky is mafia, she might look for subtle differences between this game and what she's used to.

But instead, we get responses like this:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2014 14:54 27ninjabunnies wrote:
On June 21 2014 14:51 batsnacks wrote:
On June 21 2014 14:48 27ninjabunnies wrote:
On June 21 2014 14:46 batsnacks wrote:
On June 21 2014 10:02 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Hahaha, I'm laughing so hard right now. He claimed a green on his top scum lynch, and a red on me, who wasn't even MENTIONED in his reads?! Look in spoiler below.

Scum alert 101.

Even if he rescended, and is VT this is a super bad play. Like wtf.

Plus, I've been scum reading him since I've gotten into this game, and he claims a red on me?!
He's never even mentioned in his filter at all that I was a scum read.

And the fact he does this when CR is about to get lynched, makes me wonder if he is doing it to get off of a mafia member, more likely a pr.

Ritoky, if you are town, that was the stupidest play ever.
If you are mafia, well then gg, you just outed yourself.

##Vote: Ritoky


Look at the self-focus in this post. There's so much attention to the fact that he said she was mafia. There's been a lot of that in bunnies' posts, like with TicaTica.


He just faked a red check on me.
Without even having me as a scumread previously in his reads.
And greened his top scumread.

Why wouldn';t i focus on myself here. It has to do with me?


I'm pretty sure no one's reason for voting ritoky is because he said you were mafia; no one except you.


No, we are voting ritoky cause he fake claimed a red on a town, greened someone who claimed miller, and then when he realized it was going to shit, he rescinded and claimed VT. He will be a question mark from here on out unless a cop checked him, but even then he could be GF, so i think it's in town's best interest to get rid of him.


27nb is going strongly on Ritoky, but her reasonings are not that great. A lot of other people who voted Ritoky pointed to things that separate a town fakeclaiming to a mafia fakeclaiming. Tica's case is a good example. Even after everything, she concludes that Ritoky is just a question mark. Why does 27nb want to lynch Ritoky for being a question mark read, and even if cop checks him clean? That doesn't make any sense. I think I understand what OWS was talking about when he mentioned white-knighting. This seems to me like town is starting to think Ritoky might not be mafia, so the response from 27nb is to keep the lynch on Ritoky, regardless of his role or cop check. This is a really mafia thing to do, especially this close to mylo.

I'm gonna have to consider this a bit more in the morning, but I can't imagine 27nb's response to ritoky's fakeclaim being like this if she's well aware that ritoky does this kind of thing. She's being quite defensive and is pushing really hard for this lynch despite not having any reads on Ritoky's alignment. What really changed between this game and the previous ones? It makes sense if 27nb is mafia this time around.


Actually he did
I suspect the secret of personal attraction is locked up in our unique imperfections, flaws and frailties.~Hugh Mackay
27ninjabunnies
Profile Joined April 2014
United States2486 Posts
June 21 2014 16:28 GMT
#5253
Dammit! That double post!!! Sorry! My phone is being stupid!

What I meant to post was,

I am not only reading ritoky for his fakeclaiming on me, in all the games we have played together he has come out super strong, questioning people, and was read as town. This game he has lurked and only come out strong on this day with the fakeclaim, which was proven incorrect. This play by ritoky while yes he did use in golden sun, he was wrong there too.


Now CR, i think you did research, and congrats, you are a bit more townie, but I was town that game, and town this game, so your case on me just basically shows I am town.
I suspect the secret of personal attraction is locked up in our unique imperfections, flaws and frailties.~Hugh Mackay
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 21 2014 16:35 GMT
#5254
I still don't see him say you were mafia in golden sun????????? He says you reacted one way in golden sun as town but in this game you act really defensive like you've never seen him do it before
27ninjabunnies
Profile Joined April 2014
United States2486 Posts
June 21 2014 16:38 GMT
#5255
On June 22 2014 01:35 Holyflare wrote:
I still don't see him say you were mafia in golden sun????????? He says you reacted one way in golden sun as town but in this game you act really defensive like you've never seen him do it before


Unless im reading what he said wrong, but okay.

I didnt even act defensive!

I laughed. Like what?
I suspect the secret of personal attraction is locked up in our unique imperfections, flaws and frailties.~Hugh Mackay
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
June 21 2014 17:26 GMT
#5256
On June 21 2014 19:24 Chairman Ray wrote:
Okay, I read through ritoky and 27nb's filter from Golden Sun.

Ritoky is not mafia. 27nb is.


If you want to read through the filter yourself, go ahead, if not, I'll give you the relevant key points.

In Golden Sun, Ritoky faked a claim against 27nb. He did it when 27nb wasn't around, and opened it off by discussing his claim with other people. In this game, Ritoky redclaimed against 27nb when 27nb wasn't on yet, and opened it off by discussing with Chrom.

In Golden Sun, Ritoky did not really put much consideration into the option that he might get counterclaimed. In this game, Ritoky got screwed over when Chrom turned out to be miller.

In Golden Sun, 27nb was not one of Ritoky's scumreads, but then he chose 27nb out of everyone to do the fakeclaim on. He didn't do the fakeclaim on someone he had as scum. In this game, 27nb was not one of Ritoky's scumreads, but then he just decided to fakeclaim on 27nb out of everyone.

Ritoky basically just did the exact same sequence for the claim. This is exactly what he does as town on the exact same person, for the third time. He approached it the exact same way, and the only difference really is that he got counterclaimed this time.

Does this mean that Ritoky is town? Not 100%, but it's likely, due to him performing his town strategy. He could also be faking it, but if that were the case, he would have probably said at some point that he's done this kind of thing before. He didn't say anything about doing this twice in previous games until I asked him specifically.

This is actually a really good point in favor of ritoky being town (as long as all of this is accurate). If he did the fakeclaims the exact same way, he's either town or attempting to closely imitate his town game as mafia. But if he was imitating his town game as mafia, he would have brought that point up in his defense immediately, because the entire purpose of his claim would have been to make this game look like his town game.
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
June 21 2014 17:30 GMT
#5257
And the fact that he's been posting and asking questions about reads rather than giving up in the face of his imminent lynch is probably town too.

Sigh.

##Unvote
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
June 21 2014 17:30 GMT
#5258
On June 22 2014 01:38 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2014 01:35 Holyflare wrote:
I still don't see him say you were mafia in golden sun????????? He says you reacted one way in golden sun as town but in this game you act really defensive like you've never seen him do it before


Unless im reading what he said wrong, but okay.

I didnt even act defensive!

I laughed. Like what?


????? Have you even read your posts this thread?

I had 11 votes on me at one point and you were being defensive in a post. I even said "I have a near unanimous vote on me, why are you being defensive?"
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
June 21 2014 17:38 GMT
#5259
On June 21 2014 11:04 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Okay, so i was being town read, and now im on the top of everyone's scum list.

And i see NO reasons as to why I am scum. Like no cases whatsoever.

Its obv mafia are trying to push a ml on me, which leads me inclined to believe i have a few mafia within my lynch list.

I did think this post was really strange from someone who had 0 votes on them at the time (compared to 9 ritoky).
ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
June 21 2014 17:46 GMT
#5260
ketomai probably isnt mafia.

but i really dont care if we lynch him because hes being dead weight and seems to be totally content with that. his existence in this game aggravates me.
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