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On June 14 2014 23:46 marvellosity wrote:
Palmar was a little more townie on sandroba and more scummy on mif, maybe we should wagon them instead.
hmm.
Works for me.
##Vote: mattisfoolish
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On June 15 2014 01:00 mattisfoolish wrote:
No please.
##Vote: gumshoe
Not opposed to sandroba or ketomai either. Also fairly confident that Haru and Rainbows are two townies going ham in the tunnel.
~Foolishness
Not very amazed by your case. Also there is more than 1 mafia - go find them!
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I like Rainbows' case on Haru (or parts of it, at least). The things I think are the best are (some of these may or may not have actually been in Rainbows case):
+ Show Spoiler +On June 11 2014 18:42 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 18:36 marvellosity wrote:On June 11 2014 12:51 Rainbows wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 11 2014 09:20 Chairman Ray wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 08:53 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 11 2014 08:51 Koshi wrote:
I voted Tica because I dislike him more. More words does not equal bigger scumread.
I still think my post was pretty good. Reason:
I think my towns are town.
My questionables good pressures points.
I will continue my quest tomorrow.
His recent posts backing up your wolf lean on him? How do you feel about Marv/Sandroba/JaT not liking your post at all? You think thats alignment indicative for any of them? Also You're doing a poor job of try harding if you make one post a day. Please don't go Cephiro mode on me. If Koshi is heading out for the night, I'm just gonna chime in now. Koshi's big analysis post reads pretty scummy to me. His mafia reads seem pretty sincere and thought out, but his town reads are very short. Whether or not he believes them himself is not evident, but it doesn't convey much to the reader. My initial thinking is that his townreads serve to 'bulk' up his post. I've seen a lot of mafia in previous games iterate through people and give a quick impression of them without a well thought out read on them. This gives the impression that they are active and their posts are longer without actually having to do a lot of investigation. What strikes me odd was his next post: Koshi posted this in response to the people that were dismissive of his reads. This is a very important distinction because people react differently when they are opposed by analysis and when they are opposed by a one liner. In this case, most people just posted a quick one liner dismissing him. From Koshi's perspective, if he just gave out a few quick impressions without a lot of thought, he wouldn't have any sort of attachment or loyalty to his post. His response to the critics would be something like "Those were just my gut feelings at the moment, they may change by the end of the day". Instead, he dismissed the critics with a one liner post containing no new information by posting "No sorry my towns are town". It may be hard to read into on forum mafia, but to me he sounds a bit frustrated and doesn't feel his critics doesn't deserve any more than a one liner. If this is the case, then Koshi has some genuine belief of his townreads, and regardless of the quality of his reads or how he conveyed them, this seems more town to me.tl;dr I disagree with Koshi's townreads, even though I am among them; I disagree with Sandroba that Koshi is mafia. I don't get CR's goal with his postings. he comes to no conclusion, just that some post made koshi scummy but his next post made him more town. So is he mafia or town for CR at this point? I care not that CR is posting intelligently (this is a good thing!!!), but there's a bunch of text with seemingly no bite involved atm yes, i agree with this i think. I read through 30+ pages of 'stuff' and the huge post by koshi and the reads off koshi's posts were striking to me. CR seems like trying to earn some towncred by pointing out koshi first, so that in the future he can use this as a reference to how towny he is. Town totem: Chrom, batsnacks. Everyone else is hard to read. They make towny posts, then destroy their own image by making themselves look scummy.
Haru thinks that Koshi is scum (and votes in his next post) in the first sentence of this post, but then also thinks that CR is scummy for attacking Koshi (even though he was actually defending him). Let's think about the thought process here:
1. Thinks Koshi is scummy.
2. Doesn't read CR's post very carefully and thinks he is attacking Koshi.
3. Thinks CR is scum for attacking Koshi.
The third thought doesn't follow from the first two, especially not in the very same post in the very next sentence. Don't get me wrong, it's obviously possible for scum to call out their teammates. But would you ever look at a post of someone calling out your scumread and then immediately think they're scum just for that post?
He calls all his votes "placeholders", which doesn't make sense. A placeholder vote is something you do when you don't have time to read the thread as much as you want, and you're not confident in your vote. There's no excuse for clearly thinking about your vote, even moving it around, but still calling it a placeholder (his votes on Koshi and CR). Why wouldn't you put down a "real" vote? The only reason for calling it a placeholder is so you have an excuse to move it around with minimal reasoning, which scum want to do.
The SnB post is still bad. He jumps on the SnB wagon while it's the only one around, adding some justification that doesn't make sense so it doesn't seem like he's sheeping.
It's also really scummy that he throws suspicion on me and CR for no reason other than the fact that we have scumreads on him. There's no thought process, just a blanket statement that we are scum for scumreading him.
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On June 15 2014 03:24 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2014 03:10 roundabound wrote:On June 14 2014 23:28 marvellosity wrote:
matt/foolish too.
sandroba + mattfool are too good to be allowed to sit back for 2 days doing next to nothing. They get the day 1 pass but not the day 2 pass. This and the previous sandroba post are the towniest youve had all game. just posting reql qucik while catchong up on the pooper. Going wine tasting in 10 mins. Poofter, thoughts on haru/rainbows being two town fighting? What about "lynch kotc"? Dude
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Also someone said something like "Haru is town because he's happy when pushing this case" or something, but I don't think that's alignment indicative. I'm always serious when pushing a case, regardless of alignment. It doesn't mean anything unless you can show that it's their meta or something.
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Robik, what's your actual read on marv right now? Sorry if I missed it already.
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last time i checked the robsta hydra had marv as scum because dont think about it or youll find the plot holes.
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On June 14 2014 18:08 ExO_ wrote:I've taken the time to go back over the end of the day 1 voting, looking for things that might stick out. I think Alakaslam still might be mafia, but I'm not as convinced as I first was when I was reading on my phone. He might just be a spammy bastard. But I think Chromatically is mafia. At June 12 2014 13:31 Chrom votes ritoky. At this point the train on KotC is in full swing, and he's up to 9 votes. It's looking like he's going to be lynched. 2 Hours prior however, the vote count was only at 4 for KotC. So a lot of votes moved all at once. 1 hour later at June 12 2014 14:31 Chrom hops on the train. What's interesting is Chrom's posts in this one hour block. Before I get to the hour block, lets take a look at some of Chrom's earlier posts. His first vote on Sinani is preceded by this: Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 06:22 Chromatically wrote:Sinani is mafia for coming into the thread and asking a totally useless question to try to insert himself into the conversation. On June 11 2014 06:15 sinani206 wrote:On June 11 2014 06:14 batsnacks wrote:On June 11 2014 06:13 roundabound wrote:On June 11 2014 06:09 batsnacks wrote:
He's using nicknames to confuse you = mafia tactic Please stop dropping terrible logic. I called "killing123" by his real name the entirety of Foundations. I've called "Poofter" by his name every game that I've played with him. If you played video maf with us, you'd probably be prone to doing the same. Again 0% of this post concerns this game... I'm reading it as a blank post. what was your post then Also this sounds like some sort of secret scum code so that pretty much seals the deal. On June 11 2014 06:16 sinani206 wrote:
the deepest one in the nest ##Vote: sinani206 It almost seems like a sarcastic joke to me at first, to vote Sinani for such an arbitrary reason. Going from page 1-2 of his filter though, he continues to push Sinani pretty hard. Koshi notices this, and calls him Chrom out on it. Chrom clams up after this, asking Yamato for a read on himself. To me this seems like a concerned mafia. The real gold comes after that though: Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 10:19 Chromatically wrote:On June 11 2014 10:11 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 11 2014 10:03 Chromatically wrote:On June 11 2014 08:03 Koshi wrote:Town, or not lynchable till D3 for myself:ObiWanShinobi: Looks fine for now. Till I found everybody town he is town. + fast vote (not quoted). + optimism about fast vote (not quoted). + Show Spoiler +On June 11 2014 05:50 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
batsnacks is the confirmed town hero for finding palmar so early.
im just gonna sheep him forever. On June 11 2014 05:51 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 05:49 yamato77 wrote:
There's a nonzero chance that both bat and palmy are wolves another good point. god im so confused. this game is really hard. can everyone see what im saying? im saying that im really confused because this game is confusing. shit i hope nobody notices me omg. On June 11 2014 05:52 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 05:50 roundabound wrote:On June 11 2014 05:48 Chromatically wrote:
first two people posting claim scum = scum always post first
therefore the first six people to post are scum
gg Try English. And Logic. But, like, seriously, like, what does this, like, even, like, mean?.....Like roundabout, posting from what appears to be one of the moons of jupiter. very interesting. hows the weather up there? On June 11 2014 05:54 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 05:53 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 11 2014 05:48 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
fuck i got town again. Gonna have to CC you hear I also rolled town. hi im poofter and i cannot english someone help : Not an awkward entrance. I am cool with CR. Also a case that looks coming from town . + Show Spoiler +On June 11 2014 05:52 Chairman Ray wrote:
Not everyone who townclaimed is town. I see them posting in my mafia QT. Stop lying guys. On June 11 2014 06:43 Chairman Ray wrote:First scumread for me: roundabound Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 06:03 roundabound wrote:On June 11 2014 06:00 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 11 2014 05:56 roundabound wrote:On June 11 2014 05:51 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On June 11 2014 05:49 yamato77 wrote:
There's a nonzero chance that both bat and palmy are wolves another good point. god im so confused. this game is really hard. can everyone see what im saying? im saying that im really confused because this game is confusing. shit i hope nobody notices me omg. I wanna bait this post so badly and see who is the first to call out obiwan for this shitty shit shitterson of a post because it's so easy to hammer him on the lack of anything logical or tangible here. The post is too scummy to be written by scum You should have waited to see if anyone would bite you literally waited 5 minutes. Rolling mafia as a hydra must suck, especially since Robik doesn't wolf very well. ##Vote: Roundaboud I'm impatient Banksy. Plus, I don't know how to bait shit. You know how I play...I just spout whatever the hell comes to my head at the moment. Plus, I think that baiting is kinda silly in general. It's too tough to do properly, and unless people read the post the same way you do, you end up with a shitton of people just thinking that you're scum defending a scum buddy instead of reading you for making a good play. The self-aware weak player. If you are so knowledgeable that you spout what just comes to your head, why don't you just not do it this game instead of analyzing your own weaknesses? A town player will usually try to not exhibit weaknesses that they are completely aware of, and if they do make a mistake, they will try to justify it post-mistake. This feels like someone trying to create a buffer for their future posts so others will read less into scummy play. Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 06:08 roundabound wrote:
Banks, I don't like that you haven't cleared me yet. I'm the easiest read of all fucking time. I hear this a lot of mafia players when I play live mafia. One of the main benchmarks of skill in mafia is other players not being able to trust if you are town or mafia. It becomes really obvious whether or not a newer player is town or scum, but not the better players. This is another self-aware weak player card that I feel would rarely be played by a town player. Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 06:10 roundabound wrote:On June 11 2014 06:07 Chromatically wrote:On June 11 2014 06:04 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 11 2014 06:01 Holyflare wrote:
Sign your posts bro, also wont be playing till Thursday, cya! This post is Howling like a boss. Why? Also roundabound it makes me sad that you only reply to poofter and not me  . What do you think of the people pushing you? The only person pushing me is Banks. I've only seen him lurk as mafia on TL and I've seen him be active as town. If posting volume drops or if logic fails or if he doesn't clear me at some point, he might be mafia, otherwise, he's town. Again, he's putting the onus on others to clear him as town. He also prematurely dropped the read on banks that banks is active as town and not so much as mafia. This is something you keep in your mind and say AFTER bank shows that he's active or lurking. Saying this prematurely is an indication that round never had the intention to read into banks. : Town for being around joyfully. This post is unlikely comming from scumPoofter. First it is totally random, secondly he promises to spam: + Show Spoiler +On June 11 2014 06:03 Tehpoofter wrote:Speaking of Wolves and Villages. This Game Recently got to 28000 Posts over on 2p2 we can easily beat that number. We just need to channel are inner spamming, Think Holyflare/Steveling but with ADHD and no sleep schedule. Thats my goal this game. : Not on the lynchtable because is progressing the game. Could be more friendly while doing so though. I do not agree with some of the points he makes and I saw him completely missinterpret a post. But I do'n't think he is scum purposely shitting up the thread so he is town for now. + Show Spoiler +On June 11 2014 06:10 roundabound wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 06:07 Chromatically wrote:On June 11 2014 06:04 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 11 2014 06:01 Holyflare wrote:
Sign your posts bro, also wont be playing till Thursday, cya! This post is Howling like a boss. Why? Also roundabound it makes me sad that you only reply to poofter and not me . What do you think of the people pushing you? The only person pushing me is Banks. I've only seen him lurk as mafia on TL and I've seen him be active as town. If posting volume drops or if logic fails or if he doesn't clear me at some point, he might be mafia, otherwise, he's town. On June 11 2014 05:53 roundabound wrote:This is a really weird reaction from Palmar. If he claims to want to be mafia and rolls town, I think the reaction would be "fuck, I rolled town this sucks", not "fuck I got my role". Obviously he can't just say "SWEET, I GOT MAFIA," but I feel like he'd express more disappointment about rolling town after the first post. Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 05:41 Palmar wrote:On June 11 2014 05:30 batsnacks wrote:
I didn't get my role yet. Scumclaim. I know I'm mafia because I requested it and I also know I haven't received my role, so I can only assume that mafia gets roles sent last. Nailed you, bitch. Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 05:45 Palmar wrote:
Fuck I got my role. I don't even know what it does. brb. On June 11 2014 06:24 roundabound wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 06:22 Chromatically wrote:Sinani is mafia for coming into the thread and asking a totally useless question to try to insert himself into the conversation. On June 11 2014 06:15 sinani206 wrote:On June 11 2014 06:14 batsnacks wrote:On June 11 2014 06:13 roundabound wrote:On June 11 2014 06:09 batsnacks wrote:
He's using nicknames to confuse you = mafia tactic Please stop dropping terrible logic. I called "killing123" by his real name the entirety of Foundations. I've called "Poofter" by his name every game that I've played with him. If you played video maf with us, you'd probably be prone to doing the same. Again 0% of this post concerns this game... I'm reading it as a blank post. what was your post then Also this sounds like some sort of secret scum code so that pretty much seals the deal. On June 11 2014 06:16 sinani206 wrote:
the deepest one in the nest ##Vote: sinani206 You think that sinani posting that is worse than batsnacks not being able to respond and disprove the fact that he's done jack shit? The lack of logic this game so far is baffling. On June 11 2014 06:27 roundabound wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 06:24 roundabound wrote:On June 11 2014 06:22 Chromatically wrote:Sinani is mafia for coming into the thread and asking a totally useless question to try to insert himself into the conversation. On June 11 2014 06:15 sinani206 wrote:On June 11 2014 06:14 batsnacks wrote:On June 11 2014 06:13 roundabound wrote:On June 11 2014 06:09 batsnacks wrote:
He's using nicknames to confuse you = mafia tactic Please stop dropping terrible logic. I called "killing123" by his real name the entirety of Foundations. I've called "Poofter" by his name every game that I've played with him. If you played video maf with us, you'd probably be prone to doing the same. Again 0% of this post concerns this game... I'm reading it as a blank post. what was your post then Also this sounds like some sort of secret scum code so that pretty much seals the deal. On June 11 2014 06:16 sinani206 wrote:
the deepest one in the nest ##Vote: sinani206 You think that sinani posting that is worse than batsnacks not being able to respond and disprove the fact that he's done jack shit? The lack of logic this game so far is baffling. Sinani asked batsnacks what batsnacks has done all game. He wasn't able to answer the question and he disappeared. Batsnacks says that he's voting me because he hates hydras. He then goes on to soft push on me by saying shit like "this post isn't about this game so it doesn't mean anything" trying to justify his stupid vote : Chromatically: I don't like how he entered the thread. I don't like how he pushing sinani so hard. I don't like it because I don't see it. I can see the point he makes about entering the game with a pointless question trying to blend in. But I don't like how Chrom is blowing these questions up trying to twist it into mafia mindset. Did sinani enter the thread with a question? yes. Did it show mafia mindset. No. The question he asked JAT wasn't what Chrom is making it out to be. It was a pretty legit question. Somebody votes for Robik --> Robik replies --> Somebody says Robik is overdefensive --> sinani doesn't agree that Robik was overdefensive. I have now read Sinani his filter three times. I am puzzled by his filter. I do not see how Chrom can have such a strong scumread on Sinani that he is asking everybody to sheep him. tldr: Awkward entrance + Too strong scumread. + Show Spoiler +On June 11 2014 05:48 Chromatically wrote:
first two people posting claim scum = scum always post first
therefore the first six people to post are scum
gg On June 11 2014 05:50 Chromatically wrote:
Oh yeah I'm also town, in case anyone was wondering.
Now we just need the rest of the game to claim and we should be good. On June 11 2014 06:22 Chromatically wrote:Sinani is mafia for coming into the thread and asking a totally useless question to try to insert himself into the conversation. Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 06:15 sinani206 wrote:On June 11 2014 06:14 batsnacks wrote:On June 11 2014 06:13 roundabound wrote:On June 11 2014 06:09 batsnacks wrote:
He's using nicknames to confuse you = mafia tactic Please stop dropping terrible logic. I called "killing123" by his real name the entirety of Foundations. I've called "Poofter" by his name every game that I've played with him. If you played video maf with us, you'd probably be prone to doing the same. Again 0% of this post concerns this game... I'm reading it as a blank post. what was your post then Also this sounds like some sort of secret scum code so that pretty much seals the deal. ##Vote: sinani206 : Entrance to the thread with a soft defense, a one-liner that looks extremely hard like an attempt to get towncred from those who he defends. the intention behind the entire post screams: Hi guys, I am town because I am helping. The buddying with marv makes me uncomfortable. Rest of filter is filler. + Show Spoiler +On June 11 2014 06:49 TicaTica wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 06:22 Chromatically wrote:Sinani is mafia for coming into the thread and asking a totally useless question to try to insert himself into the conversation. On June 11 2014 06:15 sinani206 wrote:On June 11 2014 06:14 batsnacks wrote:On June 11 2014 06:13 roundabound wrote:On June 11 2014 06:09 batsnacks wrote:
He's using nicknames to confuse you = mafia tactic Please stop dropping terrible logic. I called "killing123" by his real name the entirety of Foundations. I've called "Poofter" by his name every game that I've played with him. If you played video maf with us, you'd probably be prone to doing the same. Again 0% of this post concerns this game... I'm reading it as a blank post. what was your post then Also this sounds like some sort of secret scum code so that pretty much seals the deal. On June 11 2014 06:16 sinani206 wrote:
the deepest one in the nest ##Vote: sinani206 Nisani und sinani be known lurkers irregardless of randed roll. On June 11 2014 06:54 TicaTica wrote:
Marvelocity potential is villagery. Would be benefit if hydra heads were both to talk. Plammer is inherent wolfy. On June 11 2014 07:06 TicaTica wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 07:04 marvellosity wrote:On June 11 2014 07:01 justanothertownie wrote:On June 11 2014 07:00 marvellosity wrote:On June 11 2014 06:57 justanothertownie wrote:On June 11 2014 06:56 marvellosity wrote:On June 11 2014 06:55 justanothertownie wrote:On June 11 2014 06:50 sinani206 wrote:On June 11 2014 06:46 Chromatically wrote:
Sinani what do you think of JAT? Mostly one-liners and wishy washy, I don't really have time right now to quote because I have a meeting at 2:50 but if he keeps this kind of useless posting up I can see a chance of him being red. In this post sinani basically gives a null read on me. His reasoning can be used for almost 100 % of the players in this game. I think he added the part with the "chance of being red" to create the illusion that his question towards me had something to do with scumhunting -> tries to get Chrom off his ass. and therefore your conclusion? I think it's kinda scummy. I tend to agree, "if he keeps this up i can see a chance of him being red" is like so many layers of qualifiers :p on the other hand i'm pretty taken aback that sinani is posting volumously at all. that's a turn up for the books. Well, is it alignment indicative though? I never played with him afaik. well i'd expect a mafia-sinani not to bother. that's like a teensy lean though. Am surprised your not pushing this thought more. -villagry points to mar velocity. Wow. Your scumread on me is not even a scumread. You listed a bunch of things I did that you didn't like or disagreed with. What you did not do is explain how they make me scum. You "didn't like my entrance"- how does that make me scum? You actually say that you disagree with my scumread- how does that make me scum? Even when you're talking about how you disagree with my scumread, you don't quote the case and look at what parts of it you think could come from scum, you just mention why you disagree with some parts of it. And then you basically make up the part where I was "asking everyone to sheep me", because I was making a deliberate point of not doing that (I asked marv because I wanted his opinion, but I'm not going around asking people to start a wagon). I don't see at all how your points lead you to think I'm scum. What do you think of Koshi's alignment? Is he making this post as a villager or a wolf? I want to see his explanation of his read on me. Right now, it looks like he's not actually thinking about who's scummy, more about what things he can throw suspicion on. As town, he would be worried about why the things I've done make me scum, but as mafia, he would be happy to give out a read where he just says things he doesn't like (regardless of mafia motivation). The thing I'm worried about is that, as scum, he would be more wary of giving out townreads with such shoddy reasoning in such a blatant way, because it draws attention to himself. So explanation. Sound familiar? It seems to me he did to Sinani exactly what he said Koshi was doing to him. After this going from page 2-3 on his filter, he continues to freak out at Koshi a bit. Just like with Yamato, he asks Koshi about Koshi's read on himself. To me, it looks like Chrom is very worried about what everyone thinks about him. Regarding Koshi, he even goes on to say: Show nested quote +On June 12 2014 01:53 Chromatically wrote:On June 12 2014 01:21 Koshi wrote:
I am not even pushing for his lynch. Sorry I dared to say something bad about him. Sorry for trying to pressure him.
I GOT IT CHROM
I AM NOT ALLOWED TO SAY ANYTHING ABOUT YOU.
SORRY BRO
OUTRAAAAGGGGEEEEE. My point in asking that question was that this does not sound like someone talking to their scumread. This sounds like he thinks I'm town.Think about it. If you're town and your scumread posts a big case on you claiming that you're misrepresenting them and trying to get you lynched, you're probably going to be mad/attack back and defend yourself. You wouldn't jokingly apologize to your scumread for pushing them, when you think they're scum trying to mislynch you. He's literally putting words into Koshi's mouth, saying that he's town. The banter with Koshi goes on for a little bit, and he starts asking for reads on Koshi. At the bottom of page 3 of his filter he says: Show nested quote +On June 12 2014 09:28 Chromatically wrote:
I'm going to see what people are on about with ketomai because I didn't really get it when he was in the thread. Followed by: Show nested quote +On June 12 2014 09:41 Chromatically wrote:
I think ketomai totally depends on what he posts next. The thing that happened in thread could have easily been a townie startled by people jumping on him before he starts playing. I agree that it's weird that he feels like he has to vote between round and Exo, but it's not really scummy..? He could have easily left his vote on himself and that would draw less attention.
What he posts next is the important part. This part isn't super relevant to my case, but I'm pointing it out here in case my case turns out to be correct. Ketomai has been suspected quite a bit, and here Chrom isn't exactly defending him but he is lightly trying to divert attention off of Ketomai. He's not joining any trains of thought against Keto though. Right before the "magic hour" I referred to earlier, we see Chrom trying to divert away from cats with: and Show nested quote +On June 13 2014 03:12 Chromatically wrote:
The case on Cats is good but it basically relies on him being experienced/good. He could be actually new or just really bad. ritoky has done things that are scum-motivated, not just bad. I'll consolidate my case because I think I wasn't very clear yesterday. That's just about all he had to say about cats, sorta in what I would call a "yeah yeah, but!" fashion. He doesn't want to say the case against cats is bad, but he doesn't want to encourage it either, and I think this post is a great way to try to push another case while acknowledging the cats case as little as possible. So we finally get to this hour. I understand at this point the voting is nearing its end. But chrom posts 12 times, his biggest concentration of posts yet. I won't quote all 12 posts, you can eaisly find them on his filter and they're going to clog this already clogged post. From 13:31 to 14:11 he was heavily pushing ritoky, I think in a desperate attempt to get the focus off king and onto somebody else. He gave it one last effort here: Show nested quote +On June 13 2014 04:11 Chromatically wrote:
It's not even worth it for me to push for ritoky if people don't want to go for it but I just think the case is watertight. But after this point I think he and the mafia saw the writing on the wall. So after 14:11 it's damage control mode. Show nested quote +On June 13 2014 04:26 Chromatically wrote:On June 13 2014 04:15 Holyflare wrote:
chrom your ritoky case applies to half the people in the game, why is ritoky pushing on you and sometimes mz different from kotc pushing on batsnacks for the worst reasons known to man? why you push yours over sheep? why you want to be so speshul? It doesn't though. The whole point is that ritoky isn't actually pushing on me. He's not trying to get me lynched at all. He just doesn't post about anything other than me, which is super scummy. AND he always responds to questions at him but never does anything. I'm trying to show the active lurking thing with quotes but I can't figure out how the timestamps work. It's something I noticed when I was talking to him. I would say something and he would immediately respond, and then some time later I would say something and he would immediately respond, but post nothing in the meantime. Someone else noticed it too (I thought it was JAT but it's not in his filter), I can't find the quote. I'm not going to defend Cats because he's pretty awful too. I just think my case is like a surefire scum lynch. No town does the things that ritoky does. Show nested quote +On June 13 2014 04:28 Chromatically wrote:
case on Cats >>> case on Kush
Kush is like a 100% coinflip, he's just one of the people not playing. Show nested quote +On June 13 2014 04:31 Chromatically wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: TheKingOfTheCats
Half an hour left and ritoky's not happening.
I'll look at kush's meta and stuff but I really doubt he's going to be a better lynch today. I think after 14:11, Chrom accepted that he was going to lose a teammate and decided that transitioning to the KotC wagon was his best move to stay alive. He never really says why he agrees with the KotC case, or anything about it really. Not even in the same ballpark as how much he said about Ritoky. Based on what I've presented here, I think we should lynch Chrom next. I'm not 100% sure, but short of being the seer I don't think there is a 100% sure in this game. Perhaps I'm naive in thinking mafia would switch an obvious mafia vote once it was determined it was unavoidable that mafia would die. But I think I'd try to do something similar if I was mafia, especially on the day 1 lynch. So that's my piece, let me know what you think. I think if you read chrom's filter since the lynching, he's pretty obviously trying to divert people from suspecting him. But for a townie, he sure is thinking an awful lot like a mafia. ##Vote Chromatically
I don't really want to go through everything in this post because most of it is non-alignment indicative and/or I've already talked about it (my push on sinani, why I asked for Koshi's read on me, how I felt about Cats). If you have specific points that you want me to address, tell me.
I think you're stretching a bit with your part about the lynch, though. You can certainly make the argument that my actions around the lynch were scum-motivated (although not if ritoky flips mafia as well), but it's not as clear-cut as you're trying to make it out to be. When I posted my case on ritoky, Cats had 9 votes and ritoky had 0. If I was scum, it would already BE "damage control mode"; the chances of swinging the lynch onto ritoky were minimal, especially as no one else had been really pushing ritoky all day. All it would accomplish is looking weird after the flip (yes, this is kind of WIFOM, but I think that's "wine that's harder to drink", so to speak).
It seems to me like you're inventing a storyline to fit your conception when you add things like "Chrom clams up after this", "He's literally putting words into Koshi's mouth", and talking about preflip associations.
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On June 15 2014 03:42 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
last time i checked the robsta hydra had marv as scum because dont think about it or youll find the plot holes.
lol, I think that Mocsta has not been on marv but Robik has. I want to know if he actually thinks marv is scum or is just screwing around or something.
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On June 14 2014 19:52 ritoky wrote:
i had to skim some of the thread because i am getting tired an need to sleep in time to wake up for world cup matches.
the basics of what i got from the stuff since i have been gone are this:
marv - town as fuk
Chrom - still mafia, dunno how it isn't blatantly apparent. i mean look at his attempted push off of his scum teammate onto me, then he just gives up when he realizes it has no traction and tries to buy back some town cred. he doesn't even give a good reason when he switches back, he just does it cuz it is the thing people are doing. not a town mindset in the slightest.
i am not really sure what that makes HaruRH though. cuz i am pretty certain the chrom was mafia trying to start an OMGUS push against what he perceived as low hanging fruit to bail out his teammate. i haven't really figured out whether the mafia would commit 2 people to that push to try and get it going or if Haru legit had a crappy town read and sheeped. he's someone who's filter i would like to examine after sleep.
Koshi - i actually like koshi a lot less now than i did yesterday simply for 1 comment he made: "thread sentiment". now i get when you tunnel on someone who you think is mafia really hard and everyone else who you read as town sees thinks the guy you're tunneling on is town; and doubts can start to creep into your tunnel. but (at least for me) that happens down the line a bit a couple or more days, and usually accompanied with said explanation. but he just backed out of the read on chrom and some of his other ones a bit too fast. i don't know if i would call him scum by any means, but his stock be falling for me. idk, flipping a read for "thread sentiment" doesn't seem very town mindsetty...just seems like caring about appearance.
and i don't remember who asked the question that prompted that response, but they just seemed okay with it afterwards, like it wasn't an odd response. idk about that.
Thepoofter - i think i will have a solid read on banks towards the end of the day. i have played 2 games with him, both he has been mafia, and both he did 100% the exact same thing on day 2. so either he will or he won't and i will read him based on that.
Exo - the only other person who seems to have also noticed this deflection push of chrom's, he is probably town. i like his case added on top of mine.
tl;dr - chrom still mafia + deflection push off his mafia buddy; haru needs a filter dive for being 2nd on deflection push; koshi changing reads cuz of thread sentiment is weird; exo town
Also LOL at this. 3/5 of the non-me reads he gives are basically associations off of me, and one of the others is a read on marv. Good stuff.
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On June 15 2014 03:38 Chromatically wrote:
Robik, what's your actual read on marv right now? Sorry if I missed it already.
So like, marv is most likely town, but the fact that no one is/was in the least bit paranoid about the bus. I will feel infinitely more comfortable with marv if SnB flips town, but based off of his desire to push two people I think have a laclluster performance so far, hes not someone I want to push today.
in fact, if I had a vigi shot, id bang bang SnB as that would give me a lot of info.
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On June 15 2014 03:55 roundabound wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2014 03:38 Chromatically wrote:
Robik, what's your actual read on marv right now? Sorry if I missed it already. So like, marv is most likely town, but the fact that no one is/was in the least bit paranoid about the bus. I will feel infinitely more comfortable with marv if SnB flips town, but based off of his desire to push two people I think have a laclluster performance so far, hes not someone I want to push today. in fact, if I had a vigi shot, id bang bang SnB as that would give me a lot of info.
So if you had to rank everyone in the game from scummy to townie, he would be pretty low on the list?
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On June 15 2014 04:01 Chromatically wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2014 03:55 roundabound wrote:On June 15 2014 03:38 Chromatically wrote:
Robik, what's your actual read on marv right now? Sorry if I missed it already. So like, marv is most likely town, but the fact that no one is/was in the least bit paranoid about the bus. I will feel infinitely more comfortable with marv if SnB flips town, but based off of his desire to push two people I think have a laclluster performance so far, hes not someone I want to push today. in fact, if I had a vigi shot, id bang bang SnB as that would give me a lot of info. So if you had to rank everyone in the game from scummy to townie, he would be pretty low on the list?
Somewhwre down there
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LCS or World Cup... the decision is very real....
So I just want to wait to see if rainbows is willing to let go, if he is ,I will do so too.
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Oh wait nvm its TSM vs C9, give me 1 hour brb
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On June 15 2014 04:18 HaruRH wrote:
LCS or World Cup... the decision is very real....
So I just want to wait to see if rainbows is willing to let go, if he is ,I will do so too.
Why?
Theres only 1 right answer to this question
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Ok I'm awake now, what's up
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On June 15 2014 04:21 roundabound wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2014 04:18 HaruRH wrote:
LCS or World Cup... the decision is very real....
So I just want to wait to see if rainbows is willing to let go, if he is ,I will do so too. Why? Theres only 1 right answer to this question
Mafia!
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