EPTNewbie Mini Mafia LVI - Page 4
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Lord Tolkien
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So tonight I'm just going to give as many reads as I can before the flip, particularly on people I don't feel will be in the spotlight D2. Epishade Can you give us some solid reads you have on people currently? While you are posting content, I haven't seen a solid stance on anyone yet. What are your impressions of me, Cats, and meatpudding? I feel he's leaning town, but I'm no longer as sure as I was. Nydus Has been giving reads sporadically, but he really hasn't been in the mix of things. Very uninvolved. I would very much like him to post some more D2, and give us some insight as to who else he thinks are town, and how the fallout of D1/N1 influences his reads. No read ATM on him. GlowingBear DONT speculate about green or blue roles. You probably realized, but DO. NOT. Additonally, if your reads are mostly null, just don't post those reads on a D1 list. Can someone else review his filter and give me his impressions? I'm trying to decide if I should dismiss the contradictions in his two main reads post D1 as drunken newbieness or not. After MM1, I not going to jump him for it, but I'm definitely going to watch him closely. jabberwocky First off, I don't understand this post. Jabber is scummy because he was the first one to give the read on Scott, and Nydus and myself agreeing with him makes him scummy? I realized I forgot to answer this one. And rereading it, that part is rather confusing, but also ties into my read of jabber. At the time, Jabber's reads changed erratically, from liking meatpudding to voting on him (when saying she'd be more comfortable with a vote on me), to saying she liked Cat not jumping on a bandwagon to being "on the fence" with him. Now that she had said this: Most of the time, I'm posting to inform everyone when I change my mind about stuff, I don't really see the point of posting "I still think the same thing I thought before" again and again is there anyone specific you want me to elaborate on? among other clarifications, I'm fairly satisfied with it. My current read of jabber, pending further posts, is tentatively leaning town. Her vote on MysteryMeat1 was pretty easily justified, since he kept refusing to give a read of her despite repeated requests. As for the experience thing, I was more concerned as to why Teemu didn't seem to respond immediately to it. Nydus quoted and agreed with it after it was posted, and Teemu was online but skipped that post (indeed, he quoted one of her later posts instead of touching on the issue of Scott), coming back to it after video mafia. Again, time constraints probably, but it was curious for me that he missed it. Probably nothing, but I'm having a frustrating time trying to read him without late D1 posts. I think I need more D2 posts before I can peg down Teemu for anything in particular. Going after me N1 after that case isn't really alignment-indicative, so I have a ??? read on him for now. Templar I need to dig through his filter again, I had an initial townread on him, but I need to revisit that. You have a long filter, which is good. But I don't have time atm. Hobbit I think your bussing concern makes absolutely no sense. It would be abit ridic for Cats and MM1 to bus themselves THIS early when they weren't prime lynch candidates like pudding was, and I don't see a motive for me to effectively kill MM1 and draw attention to him. HOWEVER, this does make sense as to why you voted for him after Cats stated the obvious about lynch confirmations, so...yeah. I would say you're leaning town. ATM. Haru No time. | ||
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Lord Tolkien
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Don't expect I'll die, but I would press on Epishade and GlowingBear D2, and perhaps Nydus too. Nydus def needs to talk more. | ||
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For now, the OBS QT. http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/y7wk3p2Va9f5v | ||
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On July 05 2014 13:18 HaruRH wrote: Was fun guys. Just a few large hiccups along the way, or else we would have won T.T teeeeeeeemmmmmuuuuuu why no vote epishade nuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu If he voted epishade -> lylo templar claim jailer and say he jailed hobbit d3 (so hobbit didnt say cos he roleblocker) That would've been shot down since Templar claimed N1 roleblock and you claimed being jailed. One of you clearly lied about that then, and someone is bound to pick up on that. But yes, town by D3 was in a complete clusterfuck situation. Then a stroke of luck saved it. Well more appropriately your WTF cop claim and subsequent demands for jailing. Also: SO YOU THOUGHT I WAS BLUE? LOL | ||
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On July 05 2014 13:23 The_Templar wrote: I claimed being jailed N1, I could have said I was jailor looking to look like a non-blue to the mafia Yes, but then Haru claimed being roleblocked and not jailed, and posted that before you posted your jailing claim (I believe). the logic wouldn't have worked out, what purpose would Haru have to say roleblock instead of jail D2? | ||
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On July 05 2014 13:30 HaruRH wrote: ??? D2 -> me roleblocked, templar jailed D3 -> no claims D4 -> cop claim, jailed and roleblocked Zzz, I'm reading stuff wrong. Never mind. In any event, I have comments mostly directed towards town (and a self-critique), that will be forthcoming after I get some sleep.. | ||
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LordTolkien 06-28-2014 03:47 AM ET (US) Anyways, Haru/Templar/Teemu are the scum now. I'm almost positive that's the team. Ahahaha. I have more critiques about town-play, but fake-claiming early on was, to reiterate, SUPER RISKY. It may be useful in LYLO, but if you get to lylo with a full scum team, chances are you win anyways if you're playing well and convince town there are scummier persons. Though I will say it did baffle me when you made that claim. Made me think that you and jailer were just super bad town as a possibility because no counter claim. You guys were however playing it well the first two days. Removing anyone who can possibly challenge your claims or were pointing out the obvious town plays. But again on town: 1) Make sure you have vote consolidation as par for the course. D2 was an example of a vote spread that should NEVER EVER HAPPEN, as it gives mafia undue influence in deciding who to vote. Or not vote, as they can potentially just let town hang themselves. Consolidation on a few bandwagons is essential. This applies to D3 as well, because if Teemu or Templar were online during the deadline, town would've continued the downward spiral, so remember, ALWAYS consolidate your votes, and if you don't, the leading bandwagon probably isn't mafia, unless it's a last-minute switch. This, along with pushing bandwagon, is town's best voting strength against scum. Another example is a single early-game bandwagon that no one has challenged seriously at all. Partially why I looked into MM1 as a counter-bandwagon ere I was killed. 2) Speculation on the possibility of a vigilante kill is useless unless there is a clear night where vigilante shot someone , OR VIGILANTE CLAIMS. Being sidetracked into a discussion D2 about it with no claim means you need to make THREE unsupported assumptions, mostly 1) vigilante is in the game, 2) vigilante shot someone N1 of all days, and 3) mafia shot someone and it was blocked by either the medic or the jailer. Unless vigi claims, don't talk about vigi shots, and just assume mafia shot them, because they probably did for their own reasons (apparently I made them think I was a blue, lol; I shoulda made a soft-vet fake claim Amikoooo~). Overall, despite 1 modkill and 2 subs. town did manage to scrape by with a lucky break D3. After that, mafia fakeclaims hung themselves. Because seriously, a cop asking to be jailed is the most baffling thing ever if you're town. Either mafia reacts and shoots you after the claim, and saves other town (who are less scummy and likely to get mislynched) and you contribute to town with at least town reads, or you do nothing. That sealed it for you, because no one is going to stand for obviously bad (claimed) blue play, in conjunction to non-contribution after D1-3. Personal note is that I shouldn't try and set myself up D1 as super vocal town. Or somehow convince mafia I'm blue role as VT. Unless it's a vet claim... I may try and join the next newbie mafia because it'll be my last one, but mafia is a major timeink so zz. | ||
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http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/TSRguXMypYZ Tragically cut short. And yes, I'll emphasize the point that VT is powerful. As I said D1, blues should not be lurking for fear that their power is important, and VTs have no excuse. :s | ||
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