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On June 25 2014 17:07 Teemursu wrote:I'll just repeat what meatpudding himself said already. I like his read a lot.  Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 12:16 meatpudding wrote:
Not the strongest case, all things considered. If someone asks me to, I can refer to specific points, but what he has said so far is just a big pile of inconsistency. Epishade, please accuse me instead of calling out my name every now and then.
That was a direct reference to your case on me. I'm not sure if you're agreeing with me now, or my post was poorly worded.
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On June 25 2014 20:18 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 13:06 meatpudding wrote:
Hey guys. Just read through.
Welcome Banks and Mtamburini.
Hobbitus
GlowingBear
Epishade
Cats
Jabberwockzerg
Templar
Nydus
Haru
Teemu
##Vote: Teemursu
Haruhi and Cats have been moving up on my town list since last night.
Teemu still on my scum read. Although I have to consider, would he be pushing me so hard if he was scum?
Nydus post on me, could be town, or could be scummy so he can stay safe when I flip.
I'm so paranoid now that I want to die just so the game moves forward. Meatpudding, explain ALL your reads properly. I am starting to think that you're throwing in names randomly. You townread templar, and yet you put him in fence. ??? So did you move me up from townlean to fence??? How are you reading jabber as fence???
jabber not posting much. not sure about that. could be scum or could be lurking blue. nothing particularly scummy except lack of content.
Templar I've been leaning scum to leaning town. I am probably most fenced with Templar right now.
Bear I had as town, but re-reding his filter I feel he was under the radar quite a bit in D1. Then he picks up a lot and I expect him (and us all) to keep up the pressure throughout the day.
Hobbit to me has been reading town, consistent, good reads. Maybe seemed too cautious until now.
I was actually reading Nydus as town for most of the game. Now, this isn't the scummiest thing, but at the time it put me back on the fence here. When he made his town read on me I thought he might be trying to distance himself from a wagon. (I received the first vote today so it's hard to not talk about others reads on me). I made the note about paranoia because I don't want to say that it's suspicious for anyone to read me as scum or even town. I'm not confident at all that ANYONE is not scum. I was leaning town but now I'm on the fence.
Haru if you were roleblocked by mafia then you are top town obv. But if you were blocked by blue town it's a different story.
Cats was initially a scum read for me as well. His line of questioning seems to be moving forward. I will be interested in his reads later in the day.
Epi's not being too committed to any reads I feel. But his posts try to draw out a very clear picture.
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Do we know anything about how many shots the Security Guard (vig) can take?
Also, does 'devoid of salt' imply that Tolkien was not shot by the phaser? I know there's no clues but the wording was specific here.
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On June 25 2014 22:15 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 22:11 meatpudding wrote:On June 25 2014 20:18 HaruRH wrote:On June 25 2014 13:06 meatpudding wrote:
Hey guys. Just read through.
Welcome Banks and Mtamburini.
Hobbitus
GlowingBear
Epishade
Cats
Jabberwockzerg
Templar
Nydus
Haru
Teemu
##Vote: Teemursu
Haruhi and Cats have been moving up on my town list since last night.
Teemu still on my scum read. Although I have to consider, would he be pushing me so hard if he was scum?
Nydus post on me, could be town, or could be scummy so he can stay safe when I flip.
I'm so paranoid now that I want to die just so the game moves forward. Meatpudding, explain ALL your reads properly. I am starting to think that you're throwing in names randomly. You townread templar, and yet you put him in fence. ??? So did you move me up from townlean to fence??? How are you reading jabber as fence??? jabber not posting much. not sure about that. could be scum or could be lurking blue. nothing particularly scummy except lack of content. Templar I've been leaning scum to leaning town. I am probably most fenced with Templar right now. Bear I had as town, but re-reding his filter I feel he was under the radar quite a bit in D1. Then he picks up a lot and I expect him (and us all) to keep up the pressure throughout the day. Hobbit to me has been reading town, consistent, good reads. Maybe seemed too cautious until now. I was actually reading Nydus as town for most of the game. Now, this isn't the scummiest thing, but at the time it put me back on the fence here. When he made his town read on me I thought he might be trying to distance himself from a wagon. (I received the first vote today so it's hard to not talk about others reads on me). I made the note about paranoia because I don't want to say that it's suspicious for anyone to read me as scum or even town. I'm not confident at all that ANYONE is not scum. I was leaning town but now I'm on the fence. Haru if you were roleblocked by mafia then you are top town obv. But if you were blocked by blue town it's a different story.Cats was initially a scum read for me as well. His line of questioning seems to be moving forward. I will be interested in his reads later in the day. Epi's not being too committed to any reads I feel. But his posts try to draw out a very clear picture. You do know that the most possible reason for me being roleblocked was because of glowingbear's call out on me for blue, right? Do you think town would have done that? (I hope not lol)
Yes. And I suppose if Bear came to that conclusion, mafia could have sensed it as well, even if they didn't say so. I think the reason I suspected you in the first place is maybe the way you play as blue? You seemed to be lurking a bit. Anyway I said I'm on the fence but I'm really just deciding to take your role call at face value.
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To expand on that a bit, if you were mafia, and a blue role blocked you, it would still make a lot of sense to call it, because you wouldn't 'know' it was mafia.
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This is my final note on Teemu for today, promise. Please town consider the following points:
N1 calls me a serious lynch candidate. D2 calls me a serious lynch candidate and votes. His only case against me is that I OMGUS'd him. When pressed for a reason he defers, doesn't want to repeat himself. Says he doesn't want me in the game because I'm distracting him, when he only has scum reads on me and Cats so far anyway.
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On June 25 2014 23:07 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 22:21 meatpudding wrote:On June 25 2014 22:15 HaruRH wrote:On June 25 2014 22:11 meatpudding wrote:On June 25 2014 20:18 HaruRH wrote:On June 25 2014 13:06 meatpudding wrote:
Hey guys. Just read through.
Welcome Banks and Mtamburini.
Hobbitus
GlowingBear
Epishade
Cats
Jabberwockzerg
Templar
Nydus
Haru
Teemu
##Vote: Teemursu
Haruhi and Cats have been moving up on my town list since last night.
Teemu still on my scum read. Although I have to consider, would he be pushing me so hard if he was scum?
Nydus post on me, could be town, or could be scummy so he can stay safe when I flip.
I'm so paranoid now that I want to die just so the game moves forward. Meatpudding, explain ALL your reads properly. I am starting to think that you're throwing in names randomly. You townread templar, and yet you put him in fence. ??? So did you move me up from townlean to fence??? How are you reading jabber as fence??? jabber not posting much. not sure about that. could be scum or could be lurking blue. nothing particularly scummy except lack of content. Templar I've been leaning scum to leaning town. I am probably most fenced with Templar right now. Bear I had as town, but re-reding his filter I feel he was under the radar quite a bit in D1. Then he picks up a lot and I expect him (and us all) to keep up the pressure throughout the day. Hobbit to me has been reading town, consistent, good reads. Maybe seemed too cautious until now. I was actually reading Nydus as town for most of the game. Now, this isn't the scummiest thing, but at the time it put me back on the fence here. When he made his town read on me I thought he might be trying to distance himself from a wagon. (I received the first vote today so it's hard to not talk about others reads on me). I made the note about paranoia because I don't want to say that it's suspicious for anyone to read me as scum or even town. I'm not confident at all that ANYONE is not scum. I was leaning town but now I'm on the fence. Haru if you were roleblocked by mafia then you are top town obv. But if you were blocked by blue town it's a different story.Cats was initially a scum read for me as well. His line of questioning seems to be moving forward. I will be interested in his reads later in the day. Epi's not being too committed to any reads I feel. But his posts try to draw out a very clear picture. You do know that the most possible reason for me being roleblocked was because of glowingbear's call out on me for blue, right? Do you think town would have done that? (I hope not lol) Yes. And I suppose if Bear came to that conclusion, mafia could have sensed it as well, even if they didn't say so. I think the reason I suspected you in the first place is maybe the way you play as blue? You seemed to be lurking a bit. Anyway I said I'm on the fence but I'm really just deciding to take your role call at face value. Has Haru even claimed blue? I don't think he has...
Unless the point of his post was just to point out the mafia roles. I hadn't thought of that...
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On June 26 2014 10:17 mtamburini wrote:
Read op looks like we lynched a town and then no deaths n1?
Interesting. Mod kill sucks but at least it was just a vt and not blue. Tehpoofter how do you think the person you replaced was playing before you took over ?
VT was killed N1 as well.
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Guys please be cautious with your votes. Epi, you are looking shady.
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FWIW, I believe it's most likely that Tolkin died to mafia.
The other option being that vig shot Tolkien, and mafia were blocked.
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On June 26 2014 10:24 mtamburini wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2014 10:22 meatpudding wrote:
Guys please be cautious with your votes. Epi, you are looking shady. Why should I be cautious? Why he looking shady? Is he not calling you baby? Should he say your name?
Well... yeas. Just saying that voting schizophrenically is going to make it easier for mafia to influence votes and get away with it.
On June 26 2014 10:11 GlowingBear wrote:
Less than 3 hours to the deadline and yet there's little discussion.
I'm starting to feel that we are having town VS town and mafia just is watching us killing ourselves.
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On June 26 2014 10:28 mtamburini wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2014 10:24 meatpudding wrote:
FWIW, I believe it's most likely that Tolkin died to mafia.
The other option being that vig shot Tolkien, and mafia were blocked. Obvious statements are obvious
There has been some discussion about it though. I think it's relevant.
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On June 26 2014 04:55 HaruRH wrote:Now Epishade, I completely refuse to think this is a read from you. Show nested quote +On June 26 2014 04:23 Epishade wrote:
Honestly, you've got 10 pages of filter now because you've been spamming the entire thread, and it's only Day 2. Seriously? You're the worst person I hate filter diving through because there's so much to sift through. I wish you'd consolidate your posts more.
My main suspicion is you for mafia. I think way too many people are hating on meatpudding with virtually nobody defending him. Cats did earlier iirc just a little bit by saying that he thought meatpudding sounded more like bad townie than mafia. And Nydus just recently defended him. I have a hard time thinking though that if meatpudding were actual scum with Nydus, that Nydus would be defending him right now, as meatpudding was going to be a pretty good lynch today anyways. It wouldn't make any sense for Nydus to defend meatpudding right now if they were both a scum team. (Correct me if I'm wrong here. I'm pretty sure Nydus defended him, but I'm going off of memory right now)
I posted a case on you in my 'reads on everybody' post already. I said there were some redeeming qualities about you that made me reconsider, but out of between you and meatpudding, I'm gonna have to choose you.
I hope this is just an opening because it have zero information except for the ' I think way too many people are hating on meatpudding with virtually nobody defending him. ' bit, which doesn't sound like a read to me. Show nested quote +On June 26 2014 04:23 Epishade wrote:
You think Nydus, someone under suspicion right now would point me, someone also fairly suspicious right now, as town if we were mafia partners? What kind of move would that be? If he got lynched and we were mafia partners, then he could assume that I might get lynched next, since he strong town read me when nobody else did. The other scenario is that he's mafia right now and he knows that by pointing someone as town, he might give me a higher chance of me being mislynched the next day.
Your scum read on us as partners is faulty at best. If we were partners, I'd have no reason to change my slight townread on him at the start of the game to a scumread midway through. I'd have just found some other crap in his filter that I could say sounded townie to me and kept him with a townread.
I believe you asked me to review your case on Cats.
This argument is also faulty from you. You mean there is no reason to scumread your own scum partner? What kind of logic is that? Also, unlike what you're saying, a townread on you now is actually helping him if both of you are scum. Since everyone acknowledges that nydus is the only one to townread you, it is so newbie to think that he is scum too. No scum would townread the scum who is scumread by everyone. Show nested quote +On June 26 2014 04:23 Epishade wrote:On June 25 2014 10:27 Teemursu wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 23 2014 19:18 Teemursu wrote:This post is ringing scum to me. My overall read is that he it's scummy to accuse/vote him while everyone else is on the fence with him or leaning scum. The way and the amount of "WHY ME?! AND NOT TOLKIEN" I read from this makes me lean way scummier on him. It understand KotC and both Tolkien had this as one of their reasons to literally bury MM1. At this point I didn't really see as to why it would be so weird to push on KotC instead of Tolkien from MM1's perspective, since both are basically as valid for pushing to either get reads or try to lynch scum. If anyone can help me correct myself with a potential misread, please do! I think in this post he comes off as extremely defensive and even more so aware of what people think of him, which sounds like a very scummy mindset to me. On June 23 2014 19:22 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 19:18 Teemursu wrote:This post is ringing scum to me. My overall read is that he it's scummy to accuse/vote him while everyone else is on the fence with him or leaning scum. The way and the amount of "WHY ME?! AND NOT TOLKIEN" I read from this makes me lean way scummier on him. It understand KotC and both Tolkien had this as one of their reasons to literally bury MM1. At this point I didn't really see as to why it would be so weird to push on KotC instead of Tolkien from MM1's perspective, since both are basically as valid for pushing to either get reads or try to lynch scum. If anyone can help me correct myself with a potential misread, please do! I think in this post he comes off as extremely defensive and even more so aware of what people think of him, which sounds like a very scummy mindset to me. Sorry, I meant this post. The post in what I addressed above also comes off as scummy to me mostly for the same reasons. These two posts were the main accusations I had towards Cats during the night. I think the biggest reason I thought he was scum was his association and similar play style to Tolkien's, who was my top scum at that moment. These cases against Cats really don't sound scummy at all to me. Not townie either, but not scummy, which you say it seems to. The first post he asks people why they find him scummy. You think it's scummy for someone to ask why they're being scumread? I asked the same thing when Nydus and Meat voted for him. So you mean a whole bunch of defensive posting coupled with some responsibility dodging is not scummy at all to you? Show nested quote +On June 26 2014 04:23 Epishade wrote:On June 23 2014 09:31 Epishade wrote:
Ok, so, can someone explain why Nydus and MightyMeat are voting on Cats again? I had a slight feeling on Meat being townie for me, but I read through Cats' filter and didn't see anything that really looked scummy to me, so I find it hard to justify a Cats vote unless I missed something.
Would like an explanation from those 2 again why they voted on Cats. It's like when Poof said that a scum is more likely to care about what alignment someone looks like in their posts. I disagree, as that's something I care about no matter what alignment I am. I don't want to post something that would generally make me look suspicious without good reason to do so if I'm townie. Cat's asking why people are scumreading him here is not alignment indicative imo. The second post of Cats that you're referring to doesn't sound scummy to me either. He votes for Meat because Meat claims that something that isn't alignment indicative being viewed scummy looks scummy to him. I'd happen to agree with that, and that weighed my vote against Meat at the time, too. Your cases against Cats seem to rely on, "he sounds very defensive and aware of how people view him, which is a scummy mindset." Like I said to Poof, that's not a scummy thing to do, though Poof seems to think it is, or is at least more likely for a scum to do that.I happen to think too many people hate meatpudding right now for him to be scum. You're getting my vote Teemursu.
##Vote: Teemursu
I like your contradictions. you mentioned it wasn;t scummy for Kotc to dodge responsibility which already looks suspicious (If you're a townie, why would you need to repeatedly remind everyone that you're not with the guy who pushed with you, and even scumread him at n1?), then you mentioned 'I don't want to post something that would generally make me look suspicious without good reason to do so if I'm townie.'. so are you able to explain the 'good reason' kotc have for doing that?
'Like I said to Poof, that's not a scummy thing to do, though Poof seems to think it is, or is at least more likely for a scum to do that,' This is your own opinion. Nobody have to follow your thoughts nor understand it completely. If you're voting based on opinions and personal feelings, I don't see why I can't do the same.
##Vote: Epishade
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Haru, is there anything behind you vote on Epi other than this one post, and when he switched votes to MM1?
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On June 26 2014 04:55 HaruRH wrote:Now Epishade, I completely refuse to think this is a read from you. Show nested quote +On June 26 2014 04:23 Epishade wrote:
Honestly, you've got 10 pages of filter now because you've been spamming the entire thread, and it's only Day 2. Seriously? You're the worst person I hate filter diving through because there's so much to sift through. I wish you'd consolidate your posts more.
My main suspicion is you for mafia. I think way too many people are hating on meatpudding with virtually nobody defending him. Cats did earlier iirc just a little bit by saying that he thought meatpudding sounded more like bad townie than mafia. And Nydus just recently defended him. I have a hard time thinking though that if meatpudding were actual scum with Nydus, that Nydus would be defending him right now, as meatpudding was going to be a pretty good lynch today anyways. It wouldn't make any sense for Nydus to defend meatpudding right now if they were both a scum team. (Correct me if I'm wrong here. I'm pretty sure Nydus defended him, but I'm going off of memory right now)
I posted a case on you in my 'reads on everybody' post already. I said there were some redeeming qualities about you that made me reconsider, but out of between you and meatpudding, I'm gonna have to choose you.
I hope this is just an opening because it have zero information except for the ' I think way too many people are hating on meatpudding with virtually nobody defending him. ' bit, which doesn't sound like a read to me. Show nested quote +On June 26 2014 04:23 Epishade wrote:
You think Nydus, someone under suspicion right now would point me, someone also fairly suspicious right now, as town if we were mafia partners? What kind of move would that be? If he got lynched and we were mafia partners, then he could assume that I might get lynched next, since he strong town read me when nobody else did. The other scenario is that he's mafia right now and he knows that by pointing someone as town, he might give me a higher chance of me being mislynched the next day.
Your scum read on us as partners is faulty at best. If we were partners, I'd have no reason to change my slight townread on him at the start of the game to a scumread midway through. I'd have just found some other crap in his filter that I could say sounded townie to me and kept him with a townread.
I believe you asked me to review your case on Cats.
This argument is also faulty from you. You mean there is no reason to scumread your own scum partner? What kind of logic is that? Also, unlike what you're saying, a townread on you now is actually helping him if both of you are scum. Since everyone acknowledges that nydus is the only one to townread you, it is so newbie to think that he is scum too. No scum would townread the scum who is scumread by everyone. Show nested quote +On June 26 2014 04:23 Epishade wrote:On June 25 2014 10:27 Teemursu wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 23 2014 19:18 Teemursu wrote:This post is ringing scum to me. My overall read is that he it's scummy to accuse/vote him while everyone else is on the fence with him or leaning scum. The way and the amount of "WHY ME?! AND NOT TOLKIEN" I read from this makes me lean way scummier on him. It understand KotC and both Tolkien had this as one of their reasons to literally bury MM1. At this point I didn't really see as to why it would be so weird to push on KotC instead of Tolkien from MM1's perspective, since both are basically as valid for pushing to either get reads or try to lynch scum. If anyone can help me correct myself with a potential misread, please do! I think in this post he comes off as extremely defensive and even more so aware of what people think of him, which sounds like a very scummy mindset to me. On June 23 2014 19:22 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 19:18 Teemursu wrote:This post is ringing scum to me. My overall read is that he it's scummy to accuse/vote him while everyone else is on the fence with him or leaning scum. The way and the amount of "WHY ME?! AND NOT TOLKIEN" I read from this makes me lean way scummier on him. It understand KotC and both Tolkien had this as one of their reasons to literally bury MM1. At this point I didn't really see as to why it would be so weird to push on KotC instead of Tolkien from MM1's perspective, since both are basically as valid for pushing to either get reads or try to lynch scum. If anyone can help me correct myself with a potential misread, please do! I think in this post he comes off as extremely defensive and even more so aware of what people think of him, which sounds like a very scummy mindset to me. Sorry, I meant this post. The post in what I addressed above also comes off as scummy to me mostly for the same reasons. These two posts were the main accusations I had towards Cats during the night. I think the biggest reason I thought he was scum was his association and similar play style to Tolkien's, who was my top scum at that moment. These cases against Cats really don't sound scummy at all to me. Not townie either, but not scummy, which you say it seems to. The first post he asks people why they find him scummy. You think it's scummy for someone to ask why they're being scumread? I asked the same thing when Nydus and Meat voted for him. So you mean a whole bunch of defensive posting coupled with some responsibility dodging is not scummy at all to you? Show nested quote +On June 26 2014 04:23 Epishade wrote:On June 23 2014 09:31 Epishade wrote:
Ok, so, can someone explain why Nydus and MightyMeat are voting on Cats again? I had a slight feeling on Meat being townie for me, but I read through Cats' filter and didn't see anything that really looked scummy to me, so I find it hard to justify a Cats vote unless I missed something.
Would like an explanation from those 2 again why they voted on Cats. It's like when Poof said that a scum is more likely to care about what alignment someone looks like in their posts. I disagree, as that's something I care about no matter what alignment I am. I don't want to post something that would generally make me look suspicious without good reason to do so if I'm townie. Cat's asking why people are scumreading him here is not alignment indicative imo. The second post of Cats that you're referring to doesn't sound scummy to me either. He votes for Meat because Meat claims that something that isn't alignment indicative being viewed scummy looks scummy to him. I'd happen to agree with that, and that weighed my vote against Meat at the time, too. Your cases against Cats seem to rely on, "he sounds very defensive and aware of how people view him, which is a scummy mindset." Like I said to Poof, that's not a scummy thing to do, though Poof seems to think it is, or is at least more likely for a scum to do that.I happen to think too many people hate meatpudding right now for him to be scum. You're getting my vote Teemursu.
##Vote: Teemursu I like your contradictions. you mentioned it wasn;t scummy for Kotc to dodge responsibility which already looks suspicious (If you're a townie, why would you need to repeatedly remind everyone that you're not with the guy who pushed with you, and even scumread him at n1?), then you mentioned 'I don't want to post something that would generally make me look suspicious without good reason to do so if I'm townie.'. so are you able to explain the 'good reason' kotc have for doing that? 'Like I said to Poof, that's not a scummy thing to do, though Poof seems to think it is, or is at least more likely for a scum to do that,' This is your own opinion. Nobody have to follow your thoughts nor understand it completely. If you're voting based on opinions and personal feelings, I don't see why I can't do the same. ##Vote: Epishade
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Haru, is there anything behind you vote on Epi other than this one post, and when he switched votes to MM1?
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Bear do you have more than a fence read on Nydus rn?
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On June 26 2014 11:03 mtamburini wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2014 10:23 GlowingBear wrote:On June 26 2014 10:19 mtamburini wrote:On June 26 2014 10:18 GlowingBear wrote:On June 26 2014 10:13 mtamburini wrote:
Hey glowing bear I'm here. What did you think of the person I replaced? Tbh, he was looking completely lost hahaha. I have no reads on him, unfortunately... I try and start a discussion with you and this is what you give me! Hahaha I thought you would say that, but really, there is little to tell about Scott. On the other hand, could you filter dive on meatpudding and give me a read on him? Didnt dive on him but just reading some stuff Id like to throw some questions his way. @Glow in the mean time why did you place your vote the way you did yesterday? @meat why did you vote to lynch mystery? Can there only be one meat in this game?
At the time we had consolidated to lynch me or MM1. So.... yeah. Also, after the bandwagon started he started to flip out. Not particularly scummy, but he was acting really weird. I only had a good read on Teemu, but I was prepared to let him talk more.
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On June 26 2014 11:11 mtamburini wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2014 11:08 meatpudding wrote:On June 26 2014 11:03 mtamburini wrote:On June 26 2014 10:23 GlowingBear wrote:On June 26 2014 10:19 mtamburini wrote:On June 26 2014 10:18 GlowingBear wrote:On June 26 2014 10:13 mtamburini wrote:
Hey glowing bear I'm here. What did you think of the person I replaced? Tbh, he was looking completely lost hahaha. I have no reads on him, unfortunately... I try and start a discussion with you and this is what you give me! Hahaha I thought you would say that, but really, there is little to tell about Scott. On the other hand, could you filter dive on meatpudding and give me a read on him? Didnt dive on him but just reading some stuff Id like to throw some questions his way. @Glow in the mean time why did you place your vote the way you did yesterday? @meat why did you vote to lynch mystery? Can there only be one meat in this game? At the time we had consolidated to lynch me or MM1. So.... yeah. Also, after the bandwagon started he started to flip out. Not particularly scummy, but he was acting really weird. I only had a good read on Teemu, but I was prepared to let him talk more. Why did you vote the other person Haahu or w/e there name is not going to look again
Haruhi? I voted because I thought Haru had made a few posts, but not many, and his content seemed to lead nowhere.
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On June 26 2014 11:51 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2014 10:54 meatpudding wrote:On June 26 2014 04:55 HaruRH wrote:Now Epishade, I completely refuse to think this is a read from you. On June 26 2014 04:23 Epishade wrote:
Honestly, you've got 10 pages of filter now because you've been spamming the entire thread, and it's only Day 2. Seriously? You're the worst person I hate filter diving through because there's so much to sift through. I wish you'd consolidate your posts more.
My main suspicion is you for mafia. I think way too many people are hating on meatpudding with virtually nobody defending him. Cats did earlier iirc just a little bit by saying that he thought meatpudding sounded more like bad townie than mafia. And Nydus just recently defended him. I have a hard time thinking though that if meatpudding were actual scum with Nydus, that Nydus would be defending him right now, as meatpudding was going to be a pretty good lynch today anyways. It wouldn't make any sense for Nydus to defend meatpudding right now if they were both a scum team. (Correct me if I'm wrong here. I'm pretty sure Nydus defended him, but I'm going off of memory right now)
I posted a case on you in my 'reads on everybody' post already. I said there were some redeeming qualities about you that made me reconsider, but out of between you and meatpudding, I'm gonna have to choose you.
I hope this is just an opening because it have zero information except for the ' I think way too many people are hating on meatpudding with virtually nobody defending him. ' bit, which doesn't sound like a read to me. On June 26 2014 04:23 Epishade wrote:
You think Nydus, someone under suspicion right now would point me, someone also fairly suspicious right now, as town if we were mafia partners? What kind of move would that be? If he got lynched and we were mafia partners, then he could assume that I might get lynched next, since he strong town read me when nobody else did. The other scenario is that he's mafia right now and he knows that by pointing someone as town, he might give me a higher chance of me being mislynched the next day.
Your scum read on us as partners is faulty at best. If we were partners, I'd have no reason to change my slight townread on him at the start of the game to a scumread midway through. I'd have just found some other crap in his filter that I could say sounded townie to me and kept him with a townread.
I believe you asked me to review your case on Cats.
This argument is also faulty from you. You mean there is no reason to scumread your own scum partner? What kind of logic is that? Also, unlike what you're saying, a townread on you now is actually helping him if both of you are scum. Since everyone acknowledges that nydus is the only one to townread you, it is so newbie to think that he is scum too. No scum would townread the scum who is scumread by everyone. On June 26 2014 04:23 Epishade wrote:On June 25 2014 10:27 Teemursu wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 23 2014 19:18 Teemursu wrote:This post is ringing scum to me. My overall read is that he it's scummy to accuse/vote him while everyone else is on the fence with him or leaning scum. The way and the amount of "WHY ME?! AND NOT TOLKIEN" I read from this makes me lean way scummier on him. It understand KotC and both Tolkien had this as one of their reasons to literally bury MM1. At this point I didn't really see as to why it would be so weird to push on KotC instead of Tolkien from MM1's perspective, since both are basically as valid for pushing to either get reads or try to lynch scum. If anyone can help me correct myself with a potential misread, please do! I think in this post he comes off as extremely defensive and even more so aware of what people think of him, which sounds like a very scummy mindset to me. On June 23 2014 19:22 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 19:18 Teemursu wrote:This post is ringing scum to me. My overall read is that he it's scummy to accuse/vote him while everyone else is on the fence with him or leaning scum. The way and the amount of "WHY ME?! AND NOT TOLKIEN" I read from this makes me lean way scummier on him. It understand KotC and both Tolkien had this as one of their reasons to literally bury MM1. At this point I didn't really see as to why it would be so weird to push on KotC instead of Tolkien from MM1's perspective, since both are basically as valid for pushing to either get reads or try to lynch scum. If anyone can help me correct myself with a potential misread, please do! I think in this post he comes off as extremely defensive and even more so aware of what people think of him, which sounds like a very scummy mindset to me. Sorry, I meant this post. The post in what I addressed above also comes off as scummy to me mostly for the same reasons. These two posts were the main accusations I had towards Cats during the night. I think the biggest reason I thought he was scum was his association and similar play style to Tolkien's, who was my top scum at that moment. These cases against Cats really don't sound scummy at all to me. Not townie either, but not scummy, which you say it seems to. The first post he asks people why they find him scummy. You think it's scummy for someone to ask why they're being scumread? I asked the same thing when Nydus and Meat voted for him. So you mean a whole bunch of defensive posting coupled with some responsibility dodging is not scummy at all to you? On June 26 2014 04:23 Epishade wrote:On June 23 2014 09:31 Epishade wrote:
Ok, so, can someone explain why Nydus and MightyMeat are voting on Cats again? I had a slight feeling on Meat being townie for me, but I read through Cats' filter and didn't see anything that really looked scummy to me, so I find it hard to justify a Cats vote unless I missed something.
Would like an explanation from those 2 again why they voted on Cats. It's like when Poof said that a scum is more likely to care about what alignment someone looks like in their posts. I disagree, as that's something I care about no matter what alignment I am. I don't want to post something that would generally make me look suspicious without good reason to do so if I'm townie. Cat's asking why people are scumreading him here is not alignment indicative imo. The second post of Cats that you're referring to doesn't sound scummy to me either. He votes for Meat because Meat claims that something that isn't alignment indicative being viewed scummy looks scummy to him. I'd happen to agree with that, and that weighed my vote against Meat at the time, too. Your cases against Cats seem to rely on, "he sounds very defensive and aware of how people view him, which is a scummy mindset." Like I said to Poof, that's not a scummy thing to do, though Poof seems to think it is, or is at least more likely for a scum to do that.I happen to think too many people hate meatpudding right now for him to be scum. You're getting my vote Teemursu.
##Vote: Teemursu I like your contradictions. you mentioned it wasn;t scummy for Kotc to dodge responsibility which already looks suspicious (If you're a townie, why would you need to repeatedly remind everyone that you're not with the guy who pushed with you, and even scumread him at n1?), then you mentioned 'I don't want to post something that would generally make me look suspicious without good reason to do so if I'm townie.'. so are you able to explain the 'good reason' kotc have for doing that? 'Like I said to Poof, that's not a scummy thing to do, though Poof seems to think it is, or is at least more likely for a scum to do that,' This is your own opinion. Nobody have to follow your thoughts nor understand it completely. If you're voting based on opinions and personal feelings, I don't see why I can't do the same. ##Vote: Epishade * Formatting Haru, is there anything behind you vote on Epi other than this one post, and when he switched votes to MM1? Yes. Despite knowing that town considered vigi in tolkien's death and epi apologised for not including vigi, he still gave his original read to poofter - misdirecting town.
Do you really think vig had a good cause to shoot Tolkien? We wear leaning on a lynch for him after D! anyway. I don't see the vig hitting Tolkien, especially when most had pinned me as red at that point.
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On June 26 2014 12:06 NydusHerMain wrote:
I think jabber is town
Jabber needs to post more. He popped in a while ago, then disappeared. I don't think he's scummy, but his sudden absence is questionable.
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On June 26 2014 12:10 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2014 12:08 meatpudding wrote:On June 26 2014 11:51 HaruRH wrote:On June 26 2014 10:54 meatpudding wrote:On June 26 2014 04:55 HaruRH wrote:Now Epishade, I completely refuse to think this is a read from you. On June 26 2014 04:23 Epishade wrote:
Honestly, you've got 10 pages of filter now because you've been spamming the entire thread, and it's only Day 2. Seriously? You're the worst person I hate filter diving through because there's so much to sift through. I wish you'd consolidate your posts more.
My main suspicion is you for mafia. I think way too many people are hating on meatpudding with virtually nobody defending him. Cats did earlier iirc just a little bit by saying that he thought meatpudding sounded more like bad townie than mafia. And Nydus just recently defended him. I have a hard time thinking though that if meatpudding were actual scum with Nydus, that Nydus would be defending him right now, as meatpudding was going to be a pretty good lynch today anyways. It wouldn't make any sense for Nydus to defend meatpudding right now if they were both a scum team. (Correct me if I'm wrong here. I'm pretty sure Nydus defended him, but I'm going off of memory right now)
I posted a case on you in my 'reads on everybody' post already. I said there were some redeeming qualities about you that made me reconsider, but out of between you and meatpudding, I'm gonna have to choose you.
I hope this is just an opening because it have zero information except for the ' I think way too many people are hating on meatpudding with virtually nobody defending him. ' bit, which doesn't sound like a read to me. On June 26 2014 04:23 Epishade wrote:
You think Nydus, someone under suspicion right now would point me, someone also fairly suspicious right now, as town if we were mafia partners? What kind of move would that be? If he got lynched and we were mafia partners, then he could assume that I might get lynched next, since he strong town read me when nobody else did. The other scenario is that he's mafia right now and he knows that by pointing someone as town, he might give me a higher chance of me being mislynched the next day.
Your scum read on us as partners is faulty at best. If we were partners, I'd have no reason to change my slight townread on him at the start of the game to a scumread midway through. I'd have just found some other crap in his filter that I could say sounded townie to me and kept him with a townread.
I believe you asked me to review your case on Cats.
This argument is also faulty from you. You mean there is no reason to scumread your own scum partner? What kind of logic is that? Also, unlike what you're saying, a townread on you now is actually helping him if both of you are scum. Since everyone acknowledges that nydus is the only one to townread you, it is so newbie to think that he is scum too. No scum would townread the scum who is scumread by everyone. On June 26 2014 04:23 Epishade wrote:On June 25 2014 10:27 Teemursu wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 23 2014 19:18 Teemursu wrote:This post is ringing scum to me. My overall read is that he it's scummy to accuse/vote him while everyone else is on the fence with him or leaning scum. The way and the amount of "WHY ME?! AND NOT TOLKIEN" I read from this makes me lean way scummier on him. It understand KotC and both Tolkien had this as one of their reasons to literally bury MM1. At this point I didn't really see as to why it would be so weird to push on KotC instead of Tolkien from MM1's perspective, since both are basically as valid for pushing to either get reads or try to lynch scum. If anyone can help me correct myself with a potential misread, please do! I think in this post he comes off as extremely defensive and even more so aware of what people think of him, which sounds like a very scummy mindset to me. On June 23 2014 19:22 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 19:18 Teemursu wrote:This post is ringing scum to me. My overall read is that he it's scummy to accuse/vote him while everyone else is on the fence with him or leaning scum. The way and the amount of "WHY ME?! AND NOT TOLKIEN" I read from this makes me lean way scummier on him. It understand KotC and both Tolkien had this as one of their reasons to literally bury MM1. At this point I didn't really see as to why it would be so weird to push on KotC instead of Tolkien from MM1's perspective, since both are basically as valid for pushing to either get reads or try to lynch scum. If anyone can help me correct myself with a potential misread, please do! I think in this post he comes off as extremely defensive and even more so aware of what people think of him, which sounds like a very scummy mindset to me. Sorry, I meant this post. The post in what I addressed above also comes off as scummy to me mostly for the same reasons. These two posts were the main accusations I had towards Cats during the night. I think the biggest reason I thought he was scum was his association and similar play style to Tolkien's, who was my top scum at that moment. These cases against Cats really don't sound scummy at all to me. Not townie either, but not scummy, which you say it seems to. The first post he asks people why they find him scummy. You think it's scummy for someone to ask why they're being scumread? I asked the same thing when Nydus and Meat voted for him. So you mean a whole bunch of defensive posting coupled with some responsibility dodging is not scummy at all to you? On June 26 2014 04:23 Epishade wrote:On June 23 2014 09:31 Epishade wrote:
Ok, so, can someone explain why Nydus and MightyMeat are voting on Cats again? I had a slight feeling on Meat being townie for me, but I read through Cats' filter and didn't see anything that really looked scummy to me, so I find it hard to justify a Cats vote unless I missed something.
Would like an explanation from those 2 again why they voted on Cats. It's like when Poof said that a scum is more likely to care about what alignment someone looks like in their posts. I disagree, as that's something I care about no matter what alignment I am. I don't want to post something that would generally make me look suspicious without good reason to do so if I'm townie. Cat's asking why people are scumreading him here is not alignment indicative imo. The second post of Cats that you're referring to doesn't sound scummy to me either. He votes for Meat because Meat claims that something that isn't alignment indicative being viewed scummy looks scummy to him. I'd happen to agree with that, and that weighed my vote against Meat at the time, too. Your cases against Cats seem to rely on, "he sounds very defensive and aware of how people view him, which is a scummy mindset." Like I said to Poof, that's not a scummy thing to do, though Poof seems to think it is, or is at least more likely for a scum to do that.I happen to think too many people hate meatpudding right now for him to be scum. You're getting my vote Teemursu.
##Vote: Teemursu I like your contradictions. you mentioned it wasn;t scummy for Kotc to dodge responsibility which already looks suspicious (If you're a townie, why would you need to repeatedly remind everyone that you're not with the guy who pushed with you, and even scumread him at n1?), then you mentioned 'I don't want to post something that would generally make me look suspicious without good reason to do so if I'm townie.'. so are you able to explain the 'good reason' kotc have for doing that? 'Like I said to Poof, that's not a scummy thing to do, though Poof seems to think it is, or is at least more likely for a scum to do that,' This is your own opinion. Nobody have to follow your thoughts nor understand it completely. If you're voting based on opinions and personal feelings, I don't see why I can't do the same. ##Vote: Epishade * Formatting Haru, is there anything behind you vote on Epi other than this one post, and when he switched votes to MM1? Yes. Despite knowing that town considered vigi in tolkien's death and epi apologised for not including vigi, he still gave his original read to poofter - misdirecting town. Do you really think vig had a good cause to shoot Tolkien? We wear leaning on a lynch for him after D! anyway. I don't see the vig hitting Tolkien, especially when most had pinned me as red at that point. You answered it yourself. D2's lynch was supposed to be between you or tolkien, but tolkien got shot instead. Probably vigi IMO.
So you think Tolkien died so I would be top scum? Why not shoot me then?
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