EPTWell that now actually makes SOME sort of sense.
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Lord Tolkien
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Well that now actually makes SOME sort of sense. | ||
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Lord Tolkien
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He'll probably be under my scrutiny D2. I still have no idea what kind of relationship I would have with you. It would be monumentally stupid of me to bus you as mafia (if you were mafia), since no one actually believed Cats until I supported his push. If you're town and I'm mafia, it would mean I would have to be pushing steam off meatpudding or Cats (the latter wasn't going to be lynched, let's be real)...despite me talking about lynching meatpudding as a preference, both before the Scott pressure votes and I withdrew it. If you're green, that makes no sense. :psyduck: I still don't see it. On June 23 2014 12:07 MysteryMeat1 wrote: if you tell a blue role how to play and in a newbie game they start playing like that, then you are essentially fishing for roles. If they start listening to you, and you notice then you can shoot them in the night. Possible yes, but I was also saying lurking IN GENERAL is bad. If you're vanilla town its bad because you don't do anything and will probably get policy-lynched for it in a forum mafia game eventually, it's bad for blues because you'll get either lynched or shot because mafia will notice, and it's bad for mafia because people will notice. Town thrives on posts, so POST. That's the crux of what I was saying and aiming to promote. | ||
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IF YOU ARE VANILLA TOWN as you claim and you got lynched and flipped green, that means nothing then since you cleared me. Why would I as mafia want to get you lynched. If we're both mafia...why would I start this train. WHAT IS EVEN my head hurts | ||
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On June 23 2014 12:23 MysteryMeat1 wrote: there was a time period before you started this train and my post on cats where i believe this read should have come up. WHAT READ I DONT EVEN I still don't understand this smoking hot relationship we apparently could've shared. tell me plzzzz Are you trying to say that if I didn't start the train this is how it could've been viewed? WHAT IS THE RELEVANCE TO ANYTHING!?!? | ||
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On June 23 2014 12:41 Hobbitus wrote: Actually, let me revise that. I think that your suggestions for a cop check are good, not that all three of them are scum. I think those are three very good choices to know the alignment of, given their position in this clusterfuck. Only if he flips green. Otherwise, it's pretty easy to rule out a couple. | ||
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On June 23 2014 12:42 The_Templar wrote: I'm going to guess they're asleep (Haru would be sleeping pretty late though…). It's like 6 am where teemu (not teemo -.-) is. Are you saying he's not a yordle? Dangnabit. | ||
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On June 23 2014 12:44 MysteryMeat1 wrote: who are you going to rule out when i flip green tolkien? ...they're ruled out when you're red. If green checking myself or Cats is a safe bet I would say and it means we probably will be under suspicion tomorrow heavily. And we won't die, most likely since we started the lynch. | ||
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Lord Tolkien
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Which I wouldn't mind tbh, but just letting you know. | ||
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It would suck for meatpudding though. | ||
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If you're scum, die. | ||
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You apply too, though you aren't dead. Make some fking sense tonight/tomorrow and stop OMGUSing. There is a potential for a case on Teemu, but good lord man. | ||
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REMEMBER GUYS, talk and post at night. Obv don't talk about stupid shit like WHO'S BLUE, or WHO SHOULD COP CHECK/MEDIC PROTECT/CAPTAIN PLANET SMASH? But talking at night is something that town should absolutely still be doing. I'll do what I did in my past newbie games and post a comprehensive night analysis post just as it's about to end. | ||
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People who should be under D2 scrutiny: meatpudding myself Cat Teemu | ||
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That being said, I have a few clarifications to make for Teemu, and an addendum to the (failed) case on MM1. To fully elaborate on the reasons I pushed it: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/450895-newbie-mini-mafia-lvi?page=23#459 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/450895-newbie-mini-mafia-lvi?page=24#461 In his initial reads list, he said this: King of the cats: I honestly really don't like him, seems super scummy, in one of his arguments on lynching, he mentions that he doesn't care about alignment. If you can push a mislynch day1, then you can kill a stronger player in the night. Top scum at the moment. But later, when pressed on me by Haru, said: tolkien: The only thing i didn't like was that he said he didn't like cats or meatpudding, and i felt like his post read that he didn't like cats more, but then he votes on meatpudding, Find it a little weird, but nothing other than that. At this time, I had already made my case on Scott at least 12 hours ago I think. KotC points it out, and I agreed with him wholeheartedly. He finds KotCs his top scum for being fine with a lynch of a non-contributor yet said he didn't have any feelings about me, when I start a lynch of an effective non-contributor (and push for a lurker lynch policy), and stated that a mislynch is an acceptable risk in D1 without a strong scum read. When I actually noticed KotCs state this, it seemed eminently impossible to me that he would be able to hone in on KotCs for that policy and make him his top scum choice, while completely ignoring me, as I was far louder telegraphing my intentions about it in the thread than KotC did. I, and apparently others, didn't notice KotC make that statement either. I felt at the time that this was far to glaring to ignore, given there were votes onto KotC and he was under suspicion and, at the time, everyone had read me as on the fence. I considered it a very plausible motive, and a clear explanation for why he didn't vote for me (he was scum hoping to blend in). At the time, my only other major scumread was meatpudding, and I had a stronger read on MM1. It was, as I noted, a very tough choice and I wondered if MM1 could've been a better D2 case. I stopped pushing after I made my initial case to support KotC after I pushed this theory and case, since I didn't want to tunnel it completely onto him, as meatpudding was also an acceptable lynch and I REALLY wanted to hear from both of them. I made some unnecessary cutting remarks, but really from that point on, he hung himself with his own posts, and it was Cats and everyone else who did most of the pushing. There's quite frankly not much else I can say when he posts really confusing shit like me and him having a potential relationship; as I stated, wat is the relevance to anything if you're speculating about a potential relationship on D1 about a period of time between when you made your first reads list and when I pushed the case on you. I think we spent at least a good 30 minutes trying to figure that out, which unfortunately detracted from his defense to the point where enough people decided his flailing was too confusing as I did. I was fairly certain he was scum up until the flip, but by that point, I was fine with him dying even if he was town because I couldn't understand his arguments by that point. <_<; In hindsight, he likely simply didn't read the thread where I started the wagon on Scott well enough and pushed onto KotC with the most concrete piece of "evidence" he could've. But again, I stand by my reasons for voting MM1 at the time. As for a pre-emptive defense of myself, where do I make such posts? I don't recall making such posts at all D1, but I might've done so. It was an exhausting 1/2 of the day for me. Partially why I stopped seriously pushing the case on MM1. I'll be quite honest, I would rather have heard from you, Teemu, before the flip. Accusations are easy now after flips have been made, so I would've much rather have heard from you while the case is in-progress; it would be much more enlightening to your motives and your opinions. Grilling me is a natural position after I had such a heavy hand in the MM1 lynch, so I really can't read anything off this. But time constraints and timezones, I understand. On June 23 2014 19:50 Teemursu wrote: This reason keeps coming up again and again when Tolkien and Cats both defend their case/accuse MM1. To put it simply, why focus on it so hard? Since MM1 flipped green, it almost sounds like they had to pre-emptively defend their case on something they knew would be a mislynch. Did MM1 actually not push on Tolkien at all? I'm still not sure how much things would be different, if he had. My overall read is that he it's scummy to accuse/vote him while everyone else is on the fence with him or leaning scum. The way and the amount of "WHY ME?! AND NOT TOLKIEN" I read from this makes me lean way scummier on him. It understand KotC and both Tolkien had this as one of their reasons to literally bury MM1. At this point I didn't really see as to why it would be so weird to push on KotC instead of Tolkien from MM1's perspective, since both are basically as valid for pushing to either get reads or try to lynch scum. If anyone can help me correct myself with a potential misread, please do! The initial reads list, he didn't at all after he decided to decry KotCs for being top scum for an lynch-of-non-contributors policy, when he says absolutely nothing about me, except something confusing about me thinking Cats was scummier than meatpudding and that's it. He decided he was NEUTRAL on me, which made no sense given the context of his vote. In hindsight it was just a major glaring error on his part, but the major lapse of consistency made me eminently suspicious at the time. Think about it yourself. If you had read his initial reads (+ what Haru pushed for) at the time, what would you have thought? On June 23 2014 20:33 Teemursu wrote: I want you to stop flip-flopping on MeatPudding. This isn't updating your own reads, as Nydus said. It sounds more like being unsettled to call your scum partner one way or the other. You say he's fine, and you coach him on how to play better as town. But just in case he's scum, you tell him to die. I'm saying you're not fine, and that you need to dig yourself out from the hole you've jumped in to by making this case on MM1 on weak basis. By making the case based on him having discrepancy in analysis and not making much sense, while these are the exact same things MeatPudding should be accused of, and you still think he is "fine". You most certainly are scum, and you need to die. ????? I was referring to MM1, not meatpudding (and IF he's bad town, parts of it still do). I should've quoted the post I was referring to, but I was tired, but here's the context post I was responding to. On June 23 2014 12:54 MysteryMeat1 wrote: well as it is pretty apparent my time is near, i would like to apologize to anyone i may have offended with my posts, namely Cats: dont actually think your a retard Epishade: soz By "fine" I was referring to his conduct, which is fine. Mafia can be pretty aggressive, and he didn't do anything out of line. (If anyone did, it was probably me) I clarify that later too. On June 23 2014 13:00 Lord Tolkien wrote: at MM1. You apply too, though you aren't dead. Make some fking sense tonight/tomorrow and stop OMGUSing. There is a potential for a case on Teemu, but good lord man. My stance on meatpudding didn't change throughout the entirety of D1: he would've been an acceptable lynch for me as well, I just felt I had a stronger read on MM1. I would've preferred it if they both died, and have/had nothing against lynching him. And as you mentioned Haru, the cases on both of them were certainly very similar (why I spent so much time debating which one to move my vote to after pressuring Scott [who now appears to be AWOL]), I simply felt that MM1 was more likely scum. Ill answer any questions as I see them from now until the end of night. | ||
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Mods, can you check if Scott31337 is still playing? He indicated he wanted to quit so I'm not sure how to approach that. | ||
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